a good one. boyfriend be save a very good vigilante, from msnbc world headquarters, here. new york welcome everyone to our sweat reports. we begin with new fallout and legal whiplash. the battle over abortion rights. because, over 90 texas appearing court reversed a lower court order that allowed abortion through six weeks to continue, ordering the states century-old abortion ban to be enforced immediately in civil court. now, it comes as president biden hosted a virtual roundtable yesterday with several governors to talk about protecting abortion rights. those leaders urging the president to deploy federal resources. >> mister, president we would ask that you consider your ability to use federal facilities. what am i talking about? veterans hospitals, military bases, and other places where the federal government controls the jurisdiction, and some of the states that are hostile to women's rights. >> we are going to have a live

report from florida for you. another state where the right to choose is hanging in the balance. we will have that for you in just a moment. but first, some new reporting from the new york times says, donald trump may be planning to announce a 2024 run for the white house, sooner than expected. this amid a series of damaging revelations stemming from the january 6th committee's public hearings. and overnight, the biden administration proposing as many as ten oil and gas lease sales off the coast of alaska, and in the gulf of mexico. that new receiving immediate backlash from environmentalists, as well as oil industry officials. so, to help us get started this hour, we're gonna check in with and miss nbc's laura bera standing by at the white house, we have stephanie stand in tampa, and gary graham back at reagan international airport virginia. welcome all more, we are gonna start with. you because as you, know the president is certainly facing some backlash today for his new offshore drilling proposals. but if the point is to help lower gas prices for americans, the big question is, will it?

>> well, alex, the short answer is probably not, and definitely not anytime soon. this is the opening of a public comment period of four oil leases that can develop over the next five years. as you said, office of alaska, and the pacific coast. so this is something that the interior secretary, deb haaland, is emphasizing. this is opening the area for public comment, and she was pushing for the advocacy around her and presidents push for climate and energy. reduction. and you might remember, on the campaign trail, president biden had promised to contain and limit any future. and he actually said no new future oil drilling off the coast of the u.s.. and this is something that environmentalists are really upset about. and then, oil companies are also set because they are saying this won't do anything to help the gas prices. it is important that this is the result of a court ruling that basically said that they can't close down these leases, so that is why we are seeing

this happen. but when it comes to gas prices, that is top of everyone's mind these days. president biden was asked about his upcoming trip to saudi arabia, where they lead opec, which controls the play of the world's oil, he was asked whether he would directly asked them about increasing oil supply. here's one usual that's reporter. >> no, i am not going to ask them. i'm gonna ask, all the gulf states, i indicated to them that i thought they should be increase oil production, not to the saudis particularly. i hope that we see them in their own interest concluding that that makes sense to do. another reporter asked president biden, how long americans are supposed to keep paying that premium at the pump due to the war with ukraine and russia. and biden responded, as long as it is going to take until russia doesn't, beach ukraine. so that ukraine can come out on top. so he's expecting americans to

hold firm for as long as this war lasts, alex. >> yeah, i know a lot of people met that would like, okay buckle up. let me ask you about something that just came down. this is from pete williams, our justice correspondent. he has reported this just last few minutes that the supreme courts martial is asking maryland's governor to enforce a law about picketing in front of private homes. what is that about? >> well, alex, as you might have seen, over the last week or so and even over the last month and a half when the draft opinion about overturning roe v. wade was leaked, there were protests outside of the supreme court, but also out front of justices homes that open happened last week after the decision was officially overturned we actually saw a lot of social media activity premier league driven by those of the gen z generation, what's called doxxing. sharing justices addresses so that people could show up and pick it there. so the supreme court martial, right into the maryland governor, asking him to enforce this so that protest activity has been threatening, as she

puts it is can be tampered down. this is something that we expected to see but has been lasting over the last week or so. the supreme court marshals saying that it has gotten more violent and has only increased with people showing up with bullhorns, making noises, disturbing the peace in the general area. >> yeah, definitely something that maryland as well as -- lost. they were hit all that, so we'll see what happens. thank you for that update as well. let's go now, everyone, to the late night court order in texas allowing an antiquated centrally ordered ban on abortion in that state, to take effect. the order comes days after houston judge allowed texas to abortion clinics to temporarily resume operations. chaotic scenes are playing out in ohio, alabama, and idaho are advocates are concerned that the reactive providing information and legal abortions could land them into conspiracy charges. we have been talking in florida as well where judges are moving to block statewide abortion

from taking effect. and the president met with and promised to protect women's. writes >> the governor's trying to block him from traveling from her state, the prohibits are from seeking medical help she needs, to a state that provides that care, the federal government will act to protect her bedrock rights from the attorney generals office. second, if states try to block a woman from getting medication, the fda is already approved, has been a feel for more than 20 years my administration will protect that women's right to that. medication >> let's get the latest there, as i welcome you here. what is the latest on the abortion ban in that? state >> good afternoon to you, alex. last year 80,000 abortions were performed here in the state of florida. and officials here planned parenthood tell me about 4000 of those were performed after

that 15 week mark. . now, i am standing here in tampa. there's a health center behind me, and officials at planned parenthood tell me that they have seen an uptick in women who are seeking information about abortion care. officials here telling me that they see between 20 and 30 patients per day. now legally speaking, currently, the 15-week ban here in florida remains in effect. but, that of course began july 1st which was yesterday. before that, women here get abortions up to the 24 week mark planned parenthood did file an injunction, they believe will be signed by a judge and go into effect on tuesday. however, the state of florida says that it plans to immediately appeal that, which would put florida right back to where we are now, which is that 15-week ban staying in place without exceptions, i should add, for rape or incest. >> we will continue to follow the lab, we will also continue

to fight it. abortion care in the state of florida deserves to be expanded so that we can reach every single one of our community members who need access to care. when we put in constraints on access, we are having those most marginalized already. those who have economic challenges to receive the care that they have determined is right for them, those who are already facing medical discrimination, like our black brown and queer communities. and so the more expansion of access that we can have, the better. rightnow instead of what we are doing is we're putting extremist ideologies, in the way of standard health care. we have planned parenthood provide safe, comprehensive health care, and we will continue to fight to be able to do that here in the state of florida, and across the country. >> now, officials here planned parenthood tell me that women are scared. there's a lot of uncertainty at this point as to what these laws mean for their access to safe abortion care. we are also seeing, i should add, alex, women coming from nearby states which are even

more restricted than florida. sort of a so-called abortion tourism. so we are seeing a lot of that going on right now. on the flip side, officials here planned parenthood tell me that they are also seeing a lot of women who are seeking information about longer term contraception, and pregnancy prevention. so, a lot going on right now in the state of florida. there's a lot of uncertainty, but we'll have to wait and see what happens on tuesday when that judge actually signs, or is expected to sign that injunction on this 15-week ban. >> i tell you, we put it earlier. there is a lot of chaos, especially going state to state level and what is happening inside people's homes and how they are wrestling with all of this. thank you so much, stephanie, for that. let's go now to chaos on the other. front that being the unfolding travel headaches as millions of americans are flying, or hitting the road this holiday weekend. high gas prices, delayed or canceled flights, also picketing pilots. that is just a few of the issues underway. let's go to nbc's gary grossman joining us from reagan

international airport. gary, welcome to you. what kinds of headaches can people expect. >> alex, if you needed any indication that the pandemic is over in the minds of many americans, look no further than the skies and the roads this weekend. according to aaa, 40 million people are gonna be hitting the skies, and the roads to travel to their destinations. but only 2.5 million people traveled through tsa checkpoints yesterday. that makes at the highest number of people traveling by plane yesterday since the pandemic began. and those delays and cancellations really are piling up. yesterday we saw 7000 delays across the country, and 600 cancellations. today we are seeing about 2200 delays and about 500 cancellations. and that is just about 15 minutes ago. so, if you're trying to avoid the airports, unfortunately going by car is not going to be a lot easier. because of those high gas prices. we are seeing the highest gust faces a fourth of july weekend has ever seen. so unfortunately, alex, i'm not

bringing a ton of good news here. but here's what some folks we talked earlier today had to say. >> we are talking to vegas. we're gonna go to the lake, and we are supposed to get there by 10 am. now we are not going to get there until 8 pm. >> i probably think covid broke all of our systems, right. it broke health care, it broke education, and it obviously wrote congress, right? , so i think the airport is another huge system that had a lot of holes in it anyway, and it is just those holes are showing. >> with all these cancellations, the doj should have done something. that is known, there's like thousands of flights canceled, there's gonna be people who need help. >> so the big question, when it's all going to get better? that is when everybody is asking. well delta, american, and united, also they revamped their schedules to do with the pilot shortage in the increasing passengers. but they told nbc news

yesterday that it could be before labor day before things get back to normal. alex. >> i tell, you i'm gonna ask the head of the flight agency in the next hour but all this and see without respect brings to this big old heading in the skies. thank, you gary graham. about not a picture perfect start to the holiday weekend in parts of the week country, but here's what it looks like right now. that is east providence rhode island seeing some clouds there in the skies, showers are expected their leader. looking at the radar, you can see why there are clouds. we have severe weather expected in the northeast, also along the i-95 corridor. you can expect slower travel due to flooding, and down, toward florida storms also expect of the carolinas, and through the upper midwest. checking out myrtle beach, a little bit hazy there. plenty of people though got up early to at the beach, they are selling it now. on friday, some jump-started their weekend soaking up the sun in brevard county, that is east of orlando. and then in new york, police have extra patrols in place. don't want to stop that gymnast from doing her thing. anyway, we are looking at john

speech, watching the water for possible sharks, apparently. and that is after a probable minor shark attack earlier this week. but not everyone is worried. >> every summer, same thing. sharks, can go in the water. all power for the course. >> i'm not too concerned with the sharks. my kids will go in that far. >> well experts say, to avoid contact with the charts, swim in a group. avoid swimming at dawn or dusk, and aware any jewelry. because the sparkles can be mistaken for fish scales. that's good advice there. it came as disturbing, but not necessarily unexpected. a january six news, and now nbc's concerns remain reports about possible witness champing by trump loyalists, and it includes the witness who's explosive information force the committee to add a hearing. but what does it all mean? t what does it all mean?

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investigation, nbc news confirming reports that cassidy hutchinson, the former top aide to mark meadows who delivered that explosive testimony this week, was the recipient of this message which the committee unveiled as evidence of possible witness tampering. >> this is a call received by one of our witnesses. quote, a person wanted to let me know that you have your disposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know that he's thinking about you. he knows you're loyal, and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. >> nbc's aly rafael is on capitol hill for us. what more do we know about this? >> not only do we know that hutchison was the recipient of that message, but sources also tell us that the person referred to as a person is actually hutchison's former boss, former white house chief of staff mark meadows. but a meadows spokesperson is denying that in telling us in a

statement, no one from meadows camp has ever attempted to intimidate or shape massachusetts testimony to the committee regardless of whether he did or did not. this is sparking debate from meadows former colleagues in congress. >> i have worked in law enforcement, but i have also worked with mark meadows, and we worked on the oversight committee, and i tell you what, if i was still a police detective, i would be very interested in that text message the she received from someone who is pretty much bearing in this investigation. >> very much buried in this investigation, because remember alex, mark meadows has been willing to face possible criminal charges for not complying with repeated subpoenas issued by the committee. we know committee members are taking this very seriously.

they tell us after tuesday's hearing, they talked about this witness tampering and that they are going to try to figure out how to see if any of these messages have been since interviews other witnesses, possibly influencing their testimonies. also, whether there have been more messages that they don't know about that are preventing witnesses that they still want to speak with from speaking with the committee. definitely something that they are figuring out back home in their districts, alex. >> i bet you are right. allie raffa from capitol hill. joining me now is madeleine dean, from the financial services committees. welcome on this holiday weekend, let me ask you, since you are a lawyer, do you view this as a witness tampering or intimidation, and does the committee have enough to prove that. >> hello alex, very good to be with you on this important american holiday weekend.

i am a recovering lawyer as a young woman and maintain my license, and the text messages or whatever communication from somebody connected to the former president from somebody who was going to be offering witness testimony is extremely troubling. i know as a lawyer, number one you would not interfere with somebody testifying with a possible adverse consequence to you, but number two, the only thing if you are ever caught talking to somebody would be to tell the truth. that's all you have to do. they don't, say to the right thing, and i'll be reading depositions, very strange in very intimidating. but this 25-year-old woman had the composure that you often don't see in a 65-year-old woman. she was just really powerful and extraordinarily courageous. i was in the room for the testimony.

>> it has been my experience in my many years that when somebody is telling the truth that they were allowed to have that composure. it just an observation, but you find that if it straightforward and it is the truth, it is when it is. it's pretty plainspoken. let me ask you about parts of her testimony. it was pretty explosive, and they've certainly been under scrutiny because hutchinson testified that she was told by deputy chief of staff tony ornato that there was an incident between a secret service agents and a vehicle. ornato has denied telling how to us in that story and said the altercation never happened. the secret service agent, that is bobby engle, also willing to dispute that account under oath. and you also have former white house lawyer eric herschmann who also said that he wrote a hand written note as the violence and voted at the capitol as she testified. do these disputes adele challenge her credibility, her testimony? >> having sat there for her

entire testimony sitting right behind the police officers, three capitol police officers, whom we've gotten to know as the face of this violent insurrection, they represent many other heroes. i have to tell you, it was so obvious in the room of her credibility that others would now dispute it does not shake me in any way whatsoever. which takes me is wet actually took place. it's less about their drama of the president lunging forward, which sounds consistent with his hot temper and desperate plea to get to the capital with the armed insurrectionists. what was he going to do when he got there? but what is really telling, and what is said -- was that of the break, it was the extraordinary betrayal of a president of the united states. that is what you felt in the

room. betrayal by the president of the united states certainly of his oath, of his patriotic duty, and betrayal to the police officers and the people who were in the capitol including his own vice president. grotesque criminality and betrayal. >> you read the washington examiner editorial which was so damning, and among the things, it's a conservative leaning paper said that this man should never be allowed any where near the sort of power -- anywhere near the seat of power again. that was pretty jaw-dropping coming from that source. let me ask you about the subpoena that's been put out white -- trump white house counsel. he's been at the center of all the events on 16. according to testimony, cipollone tried desperately to get the president to do something at the capitol. there are now signs that cipollone may agree to a transcribed interview limited to specific topics, but i ask you, is that good enough? how much could that impact what

he could offer the committee. >> you know alex, i have said from the moment that this happened, i would be happy to offer any evidence i have in the days leading up or during the event if it would help the committee. i can't imagine that the players who are this close to frantic criminal current president who was offering every avenue he could to upend a free and fair election. especially had cipollone as he was right there in the final days warning of possible violence or likely violence. telling the president they are armed, that the masks be taken away, and they're not here to hurt me. i hope that mr. cipollone with the right thing. and i think of him, as a lawyer, at the top of this craft, i'm pretty positive he must have

documented for himself when he was advising of the president, and importantly, those around the president about the criminality and about the corruption, about the violence to so that the president would avoid it, stop, and do everything in his power to protect those at the capitol. and ali, none of that advice did the president take. i hope mr. cipollone will come forward with the fullest of details as to what took place. let's remember what happened here. we got this close, this close to the interruption of the peaceful transfer of power and our forces who still want to do that in upcoming elections. i think about it right here in pennsylvania. we have terribly important elections at the top of the ticket right through local elections. we have an insurrectionist himself, doug mastriano, running for governor.

he sold tickets on a bus to go to the interaction -- insurrection. it is really important that we find out the facts. people go to the polls and elect joe shapiro, our governor, not only the democracy, but for the protection of women and girls rights. there is so much at stake, anybody who knows anything about the criminality and the corruption and the violent attempt to overthrow our government, like mark meadows, like mr. cipollone, must come forward and do their patriotic duty just as miss hutchinson did with so much at risk. >> given all that we heard from her and the potential for pat cipollone to have to testify, how much do you think trump -- is spreading. do you think consciousness testimony might inspire others to speak up to the committee? >> i have thought that all along. we know the committee has a tip line. we are learning new pieces of evidence every single day. i am certain that more and more

americans notice how many of the people who have testified for the committee are republicans. they believed and the president, they honored and admired him, they wanted to put forward his policies and they are now coming forward because they saw how beyond the pale this president went whether to interfere with legislatures, state attorney generals, mr. raffensperger, i'm forgetting. >> to your point, that began on january six. we had two cabinet members saying see you, i cannot say here any longer. we do not approve of what is happening in this country and under this president. that is a route for now, i hope you have a fabulous fourth. thank you my friend, it's very good to see you. coming up next, the empire state strikes back despite the supreme court ruling, you are creates a new law to ban concealed handguns. >> we're not going backwards,

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affecting some new capabilities for national defense. and new technology for the u.s. support base force. let's go from there now to the latest on the war the ukraine, as officials are reporting heavy shelling in the nikolayev region today. that is near the city of odessa where yesterday, ukrainian officials say russian missiles killed 21 people in an attack on an apartment building. and some new video from the ukrainian government claims to show, russian aircraft yesterday dropping explosives on snake island days after russia said it had retreated from the island on humanitarian grounds. russia is also putting up a new apartment buildings in mariupol, that is a city of course that it decimated after its takeover. and it is launching a new bus surface from crimea to newly seized to cities in ukraine. those buses have that c branding that we have seen and russian military vehicles. let's go to nbc's ellison barber is joining me now from kyiv, alison welcome to you. what are you hearing about a fighting today? >> hey, alex. so still some of the most

intense ground fighting is taking place in eastern ukraine, specifically in and around the city lisa johnston. is the only city that currently stands between russian forces in total control of the luhansk region. and remember, after russian forces chose failed to achieve some of their earlier assaults on cities like kyiv, and kharkiv, they shifted their focus to the industrial donbas region. the luhansk province is one of two provinces that make up that region. the other one is dim ask, and what we are seeing now is that fighting there is largely ground artillery fighting, continues. the uk ministry of defense says that russian forces appear to be making some incremental gains in that area. but they say the southeastern part of the city, ukrainian forces are actually seeming to hold forces back a bit, at least at this point. this is happening while at the same time we are seeing missile strikes in crease. this week, across ukraine. you mentioned that missile strike in odessa, ukraine

officials say they believe that wasn't a fit tack on civilian infrastructures, and civilian that was specifically a direct result where they see retaliation for russian forces being in their words, forced to leave snake island. so, what we understand what ukrainian officialsare saying about that attack today, is that three anti ship missiles were used there. and they hit three different structures. that nine story residential building, as well as to recreational campsites, where officials say families have gathered to sort of spend their day out and about. president zelenskyy, he says that this was a deliberate russian terror attack. our colleague matt bradley, actually spoke to a non-eye witness. let's listen to some of what we heard. >> we heard strikes. we live close by. we helped those who survived, and those who unfortunately died. we don't want ukrainian warnings to start as tragically as today, with russian missile strikes, like the one in odessa.

>> so president-elect ski and others, including now the uk's ministry of defence, they are saying that in a lot of the attacks we have seen this week on civilian areas, that the missiles russian forces were using our anti ship missiles. the argument for the uk's ministry of defence released are now says as of today, they say that that could be potentially because russia's stockpiles are actually dwindling. but the issue with that is that those missiles are not designed for land use. and therefore, their accuracy is not as strong. alex. >> it is extraordinary. russia's terror contain continues unabated. thank you for the latest. so if you thought the recent supreme court turn was the most consequential ever, you may not have seen what was expected coming our way in the next term. here is the headlines from today's washington post. democracy advocates raise alarm after supreme court takes election case. so what does it mean, and why so ominous? we will talk about it, next. and wh so ominous

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session will be felt for years to. count the high court making dramatic rulings on issues including abortion, gun rights, climate change, immigration, and school prayer. and the court ended the storm signaling it will weigh in on the roll state legislatures have in election disputes during the next one. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst margaret mcquade, former u.s. attorney at law professor. very good to see you, barbara. so i would like you to put into words, how consequential the supreme court term was, and what concerns you most about the impact of these rulings? >> it was absolutely the most consequential term we have seen in decades. and i think the thing that concerns me the most is the reverence for precedents in stare decisis. the thing that gives the law clarity, and legitimacy, is the fact that we follow precedent. not religiously, of course. there are some bases, in fact there is the --

to decide whether it is of time to overturn a precedent. but all of those factors favor following president, including roe v. wade, and i think that was such a seismic change and i worry that it opens the floodgates for challenges for other rights, like same-sex marriage and contraception, that we could see down the road. >> can i ask you how concerning it is that, in recent supreme court confirmation hearings, and i'm thinking specifically of brett kavanaugh off. when they specifically said, i respect the precedents of the law of the land, that has been set. and then oh gosh it comes time to vote, and you don't? >> yeah. i think they absolutely knew they were saying at the time. if you listen to those clips, they were very careful not to say, i will never overrule roe v. wade. what they say is, roe v. wade is precedent, and precedent has value in this country. but then when push came to shove, their decision was to overrule it in a way that, will have incredible consequences for people in this country for decades to come. they have thrown the issue of

abortion into the states where we are seeing all kinds of chaos now as people try to figure out how to navigate that landscape. >> yeah. there is certainly confusion across much of the country, a week after the reversal of roe v. wade. beginning with some states which immediately moved to ban or restrict abortion. but then you have judges that are taking action against some of these laws. looking at florida, kentucky, utah. bans restrictions have been temporarily blocked, and now the texas supreme court has blocked a lower court order from days earlier. that when temporarily allowed the procedures to resume. but now you have the antiabortion group, some of them that are not stopping an abortion bans. yet the washington post reporting that some republicans led state legislatures, they are advancing their plans to stop people from seeking the procedure elsewhere. in other words, they will restrict their movements. what do you expect from these state-by-state legal battles? i mean, things are going to be

in flux, and confusing. but for how long? >> i think it is going to be in flux for decades. and the law is going to be unsettled. but imagine if you are a person in need of abortion care today. you try to make an appointment, you find out a got canceled because the court has issued a ruling. there is a temporary injunction, and now it has been lifted. or in a state. and so that kind of uncertainty is just not good for anybody. it is the reason we follow precedent, it's so that we can have clarity, and so the people can rely on the law in their own lives. so, i think this destruction is gonna last a long time. i think we're gonna see pushes from four loss to protect the right to abortion and i think we're also gonna see pushes for a loss to ban them from banning people to travel out of state for abortion. care >> yeah, pretty extraordinary. pretty >> extraordinary. let's talk about the supreme court which has agreed to hear a case that decides about whether state legislatures, not state courts, have final authority to decide how elections for federal

candidates are conducted. your the washington post which is reporting the democracy advocates are raising alarm over concerns state lawmakers could twist the election laws to favor their party. how real of a possibility is that and what kind of implications are we looking at for the 2024 election? >> if you think this term was consequential, if this case goes the way those critics fear, it could control every decision that comes down the road. what it says is that state legislatures alone have the power to decide how their votes are cast and elections. that means gerrymandered districts, if it's okay with the state legislatures, then it has to be the last word. there are 30 states that have republican controlled legislatures. for verdict oppression and gerrymandering districts, they managed to control the machinery of those states. if they get the last words, the judge can't overrule them even if they do something that might be unconstitutional. it's the states they get the last word.

if they have that power, it really seems completely contrary to our constitutional structure that you would give one branch unchecked power but that is the argument. as we've just seen in the roe v. wade ruling, people with power will tend to use it. >> it is a sobering conversation that we are having on this holiday independence day weekend. barbara mcquade, thank you, -- there is new reporting on the prospects of donald trump announcing a new run for 2024. and then there is hillary clinton, who responded directly this week, when asked about joe biden running again. if you missed any of, it you're going to want to hear my panel responding, including somebody who has worked for both biden and clinton. also want to share a sobering update on a mass shootings tracker. as of today, 297 this year alone and the toll? 329 lives lost.

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sharpening his message on abortion as the supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade takes center stage at of the midterms. the president met virtually yesterday with a group of democratic governors to discuss abortion rights just one day after making his strongest statement yet on what should be done to protect a woman's right to choose. >> i believe we have to codify roe v. wade into law and the way to do that is to make sure that congress votes to do that. if the filibuster gets in the way, it should be -- we provide an exception into this. >> joining me now, adrian elrod, former senior aide to the biden harris campaign and kurt bardella, adviser to the dnc, two of my favorites, good to see you both. adrian, let's go to you first. i'm curious how significance the statement is from the president. he's a traditionalist, is

someone who's always followed and respected senate rules and traditions. what is your reaction. >> oh, it was a huge significant step forward for all of us who are on the outsides fighting to do what we can to codify roe and to make sure that women have it a choice in some of the key states that could win or lose that ride in 2022 depending on what happens in the midterm elections. and you made it clear alex, the filibuster, there should be a carve out for that. i think that coming from the president the united states, somebody who has been somewhat of a traditionalist who spent 35 years in the united states senate and understands the importance of the filibuster when it comes to certain things, and understands the importance of bipartisanship, which we now realize is pretty much off the table with a few exceptions. it was a monumental step forward. at this, point the balls in congress's court.

the president has made that clear. if we get something done in the next few months, great, but what we really need to do alex, we made this very clear to, we simply need to expand the number of democrats that we have in the house and senate, where just two more democrats would give us the numbers we need to make roe, protecting a woman's choice and right to choose from her own, body the law of the land. >> kurt, going to you, now making statement is one thing, but many voters don't just words. they want actions. nbc news reports that some liberals are frustrated by biden's approach. this one progressive want to see want to see creativity, we want to see something. do you agree with that? you're involved with the dccc. is that sentiment shared among voters? >> i think the sentiment among the progressives in the entire democratic party needs to wrap surround is the importance of

voting. the most profound statement that any person right now could make about how they feel about what's going on in this country, about how they feel about the supreme court and protect life, stick go out and vote. we saw in 2016 what happens when certain parts of the democratic base they like they might want to sit one out of out of frustration. that decision to set the election out pave the way to where we are right now. president biden's 100% right that the most important thing that anybody can do right now is participate in the democratic process. let your actions be known by voting. the president said the strongest case that we can make it to protect roe and protect oneself in america is to codify it by congress. to do that we have to preserve the majority in the house. we need to add two more senators, toward democrats the united states senate. that is the strongest path forward that can stand up to any court decision. >> you both know there's been considerable speculation around president biden himself as to

whether or not he is going to run reelection in 2024. at the aspen ideas festival, my colleague asked hillary clinton about this very topic. let's take a listen to what she said. >> look, we don't have any idea. he said he's going to run, he's our sitting president, i think he's done a lot of really good things. >> when you endorse him? >> look, i would endorse our city president, of course. this is a silly question. everybody who's asking, it's a silly question. >> it's remarkable that some democrats won't say what you just said. >> that's their issue. look, we need to win in 2024, and so we got to get behind whoever our candidate is. >> that last point there adrian, there has certainly been speculation swirling around about a potential third bid for the white house on the heels of the roe decision. you know the former secretary of state, you've worked very closely with her, but despite you telling me no several times before, the questions coming at

you again. is this a consideration on her radar at all? >> no, it is not, alex, there's nothing more she could've said right then to make it more clear. and utterly clinton really well, and that town and the way she answer that question, it was very clear. she's not running for president again, she is unequivocally supporting president biden, he was every intention to run for reelection and has made that very clear. she's made a very clear she will back and support him. i cannot overestimate the importance of all of us driving this point, which is the 2022 comes the before 2024. we have a lot of key races on the ballot. we're not just talking about the house and the senate, that some of these very key states. gretchen whitmer has to get reelected in michigan, or woman will lose their right to choose. the nevada election is very important. there are key states up around about in the elections of and on the ballot that are literally going to make the difference between whether or

not we have 25 states that allow women to have a right to choose or nine or ten after the midterm. that is the importance right now and that is where her focus is. you bet that she will get out there and do everything she can to campaign for candidates up and down the ballots and be a powerful voice in the midterms. >> messenger important, but i'm not going to be deterred from asking another question about 2024. there's a new article today from the new york times that says that donald trump is eyeing an early announcement amid the january six hearings. this is coming with one damaging revelation after another from the january six committee. what is your reaction from that. the timing, really? it would suggest that if he does that, now that will hinder the success of republicans in 2022. >> we all know from past experiences that donald trump doesn't care about anybody else but donald trump. we saw that with the georgia special elections and how he behaved. there it's not surprise me that when faced with the criticism that has been mounting right

now, filing the january six hearings, that he's thinking about pulling the trigger now. and you know what donald, he should. go out there and show everybody who you are and what you want to do and implode the republican party before november, i welcome that. a thin of the day, he's going to do whatever he wants, he's shown that time and time again, this guy has the impulse control of a freaking toddler. nobody should be surprised about that at all. i think republicans, this is the goal alum they created. i think earlier in the year there was one of -- republican leadership was hoping that we would impeach him so that we could do the dirty work that they wanted to do. these guys wanted to divorce themselves from the tantrum for the last five years, but they have looked -- like the guts to do it. and on the january six committee while on tv they cry as partisan, behind the scenes they are rooting for the january six committee. the last powerful committee that we have, nobody was more

excited about that during the republicans. >> we will see, we will see. adrienne, elrod thanks for -- good to see you. a report in the past hour about the supreme courts martial reaching out to officials in maryland and they want them to enforce a particular law. and we will bring you the details at the top of the hour. details at the top of the hour

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