informed and we thank you for covering this and sharing this information again. very sad day here. >> was the weapon recovered? >> it was a rifle. >> is he barricaded? >> there is no indication he's barricaded. that has been circling around. there is no indication of that. investigators are very, very quickly working to try to identify who this person is and try to figure out where he's at. >> so it does appear he was shooting from a roof. i don't have that information right now. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> so right now there's multiple agencies. highland park police is leading the initial response and working directly with the fbi and highland park police detectives.

they are very involved and remain point throughout all of this. >>. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> not information i can release yet. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> not information i can release. we still consider him armed and dangerous. >> reporter: is it one shooter? >> at this time that's the information we have. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> we're still working on that. we'll take two more questions. we're not going to go into the specifics of where the gun was recovered but a firearm rifle was recovered. >> reporter: what's the ages? >> what's the ages of those passed away? >> we'll have more information on that. we'll be releasing that as soon as we can. we have six confirmed deceased and we have approximately two dozen that are seriously injured. okay, thank you. >> we are coming on the air

after that update from police, from the local sheriffs in highland park on that horrific, 4th of july parade shooting that happened about 10:15 local time there. a massive manhunt now happening for this suspected shooter believed to have one a while male between the ages of 18 and 20, who is out there and considered armed and dangerous, six people confirmed dead, 24 people in the hospital with, as you heard there, serious injuries. new details from police. we've learned now that there was a rifle recovered on scene, that the shooter was believed to have been positioned up on a rooftop shooting from there. we know that federal law enforcement agencies are involved, including the fbi. there is a manhunt now for the shooter. everybody looking for this person as so many families now in this community are not just grieving the lives lost, six of them. we don't know many details, their ages, genders, names, et cetera, but we do know two dozen

people are now in local hospitals. this was completely random, police said, and they were not able to speak about the safety of events that are happening, for example, later tonight, et cetera, on this holiday day, fireworks, we know that some locations near highland park have cancelled their event because of this obviously awful incident. believed to have been one shooter armed. jim kavanaugh, this is new and important information we're getting from police here. the shooter is still at large. they do not know any other additional weapons he may have on him, this suspected shooter, but they are considering him armed and dangerous. what should people in this community be thinking about and be aware of and how do you see the response unfolding from here. >> they have the primary piece of evidence, they'll be able to

get the fingerprints from the rifle. the commander also told us six dead and two dozen wounded and that she was shooting from the rooftop at a july 4th parade. there's a lot of new information, halle, we just picked up. where is he now? we don't know. is he hiding out watching the news, has he fled the area? does he have more weapons? does he want to make another attack? i think the whole of chicagoland region has to go on a tight alert here. as long as this guy's at large, there's no safety in the community, certainly not today. this is a mass killer, active killer, who is loose. everybody has to be on his game. >> you have been involved in police responses to incidents like this. bring us behind the scene as to what would typically be unfolding in a moment like this

one. >> rapidly an on-scene command will be set up. the scene will be roped off but the highland park p.d. headquarters, their detective bureau now is flooded with detectives and lake county detectives, federal, itf and fbi agents, you know, the illinois state troopers. everybody's coming in to lend a hand for the manpower for the investigative work that's going to ensue. but in a case like this with six dead and two dozen wounded throughout the next week, these investigators will be working all night. they'll be setting up a big joint operation center where they put the commanders for all the agencies together.

we've been showing as word of this shooting first started coming ut in the last two and a half hours or so. there are other towns and suburbs nearby. you referenced how many of them, some have begun to cancel events, other parades, for example, set for today, which is typically a time, federal holiday, kids out of school, parents may be out of workings people are coming out and spending time in their communities. if you were advising them, what would you be telling them? >> in usual circumstances, i'd be having a barbecue in my back yard. but this guy is loose, he could

strike again. it's too risky. everybody will make your individual decisions in your communities but i think the risk is extreme as long as this guy is loose. >> i want to bring in the seattle police chief, now an msnbc law enforcement analyst. what stands out to you regarding the manhunt to try to catch this killer. >> thank you for having me. i as a former chief, it brought chills down anyway spine, six people murdered, 24 people total affected by this and the killer is at large. there's a high level of risk in the surrounding community at this point because they don't know where the suspect is at

this time. again, it's been described to what is a white male involved in another mass shooting in this country, the 308th we've had this year. another very sad and tragic event. they have a heightened urgency to find this person and prevent others from being at risk. >> presumably police have a better sense of detail than they were willing to share in that news conference. for example, you heard one of the officers and official there is ask was that rifle that was recovered found on the rooftop? in other words, how were they able to point point the shooter's location? they didn't get into some of these details. that is standard in this type of investigation, particularly in the early hours like this, no? >> that is correct. they will try to put out was in that is, one, accurate and, two,

provides for public safety and not give away too much information that it prevents prosecution when that does become available, if it does become available and does not give too much information to our suspect in case they are hold up someplace watching events unfolding on the news. >> i was struck by the statement that they believed this shooting was in their words completely random at this 4th of july parade, somebody firing on the crowd from up above, from a rooftop, six dead, 24 in the hospital and at this point no idea what the motive may be. >> that's right. it still very early on. a lot of chaos as people are stampeding out of the area for their own safety and officers are trying to deal with the injured and the wounded but also locate the suspect. so it going to take a little time to get all the details and gather things up at this point. >> one of the things i was speaking out with jim cavanaugh

were events in the area. police have now described an active incident and ongoing event for this area. would it be appropriate to do? >> absolutely. several of the local areas and local jurisdictions have stopped events for today. clearly we have an outstanding, at-large suspect, armed, has already shown the propensity to kill and in this case kill randomly. so everyone is potentially at risk until they're able to bring resolution and got this person in custody. sheltering in place is the right thing to do. at the boston bombing, the suspect fled and ended up hiding in someone's boat. we don't know where this person has gone, where they may be held

up. until they have a level of closure to this, everyone is potentially at risk. >> let me play for you our local affiliate in chicago has been out there with their reporters. >> there was like a pop, pop, pop. i thought maybe it was a display on a float. then it just opened up. familiar semi gunfire. >> he talked about hearing pop, pop, pop, not sure if it was fireworks on the 4th of july or something else and it speaks to the confusion in the minutes after this happened. >> absolutely.

i think the first inclination, you hear something, what was that, was it a back fire? a balloon or something as a part of our celebration? and then you realize very quickly that, you know, it's gunfire and you're at risk and others around you are at risks and i imagine the level of fear and pandemonium are acute at that point. one of the congressmen earlier said they located several teens and tried to get them to safety. you can imagine there's a lot of fear when these things first transpire and eight lot to take on, some were already at the parade or even in the parade. and so it was all hand on deck at that point. >> what should be the biggest priority for law enforcement, both locally and federally as we speak right now, 2:12 eastern

time? >> at the very onset of an event like this, the first consideration is going to be life safety. making sure that they get anybody who is injured or wounded into a central location and then locating the gunman or gun person who is at large and mitigating the threat. that is going to be the two primary things you're working on. there's a lot that goes into that. but the first moments you're trying to get people to safety, telling people to leave, flee out of the area to get them to a different location. then comes the time you can start pointing a tad bit to try to get description, location, direction of travel, any kind of clothing and clothing can be

changed and discarded at some point but you're trying to get as much information as you can out there. they'll follow up with pulling video, any sort of video that people may have taken at the scene. >> i was going to ask you about video or even surveillance video as we're taking a look at new video from our affiliate in chicago. you can see police on the roof of a building here. chief, i don't know if you can see the footage that we're showing but our viewers can. you talked about video, surveillance video. police have access to it or are working to get access to it, a white male, between 18, 20, smaller build, dark hair, white or blue t-shirt. no picture yet. >> that's correct.

all of the above. they will be contacting and accessing the cameras and trying to locate as much video footage as possible. sometimes there are busses or taxi cabs in the area that also have video going. they can pull that as well to see if they can get any information about a vehicle fleeing the scene or something like that that might lead them to locate the shooter. >> we're watching some of this new video now coming in. you see the chairs still there from people who had posted up just to spend their morning, spend their day watching a 4th of july parade with their families and even in these moments something like this could still happen and did still happen in this community today. >> that's correct. it's very tragic and very sad. we've had so many mass shootings in this country. even though there's a

proliferation of gun and gun violence, but unfortunately any of us can be at risk of being a victim of one of these mass shootings. >> i don't want to get into too much of speculation land here, chief. we want to stay within the parameters of what we know and what we know we know, as we've been told through law enforcement. specifically a rifle was recovered at the scene. they did not specify whether the shooter has other weapons, whether they believe he does, they do consider him armed and dangerous but couldn't speak to anything beyond the rifle involved. you hear there are six people dead and 24 people in the hospital with serious injuries. what does this tell you about this shooting that you can surmise using your expertise and having been involved in this from a law enforcement perspective before? >> it's very consistent with what we've been hearing and what

we know, white male shooters under the age of 20. think of the last few shootings we had and who has been the perpetrators. this has been consistent with the profiles we've seen across the country and these shootings. not every time but a number of times. none of that is surprising. even when we didn't have information early on, i had a suspicion that was going to be the demographic of the shooter and it was. now the prime issue at hand is to locate this person. >> an horrific shooting in highland park, chicago. rehema ellis, what do we know? >> a white male between the ages

of 18 and 20 years old and took up, an interesting word, a sniper position from a rooftop. they have recovered a rifle. they did not say whether or not he has other weapons. what they said was this person should be considered armed and dangerous. and to that point they have set up a perimeter around the area of the parade route and they have residents to shelter in place. very important because they believe this person is, again, armed and dangerous. dangerous indeed. six people are dead, the authorities have told us that 24 people are seriously injured and they were in the hospital. this story is unfolding. and authorities will continue to investigate this. people always wonder in instances like this, what is the motive for this? it seems to be way too early to consider what it might be except

someone was trying to rain terror on to a community and that mission was accomplished. >> what else can you tell us to folks who may be just tuning in to the coverage now about this community, about the people who live in highland park? >> what we know about highland park is it it is a community and suburb of chicago, about 25 miles north of chicago. it's a community of about 30,000 people, a small little, sleepy community. we're finding out whether it's a big up to or small town, mayhem can happen. it did today, only ten minutes after the parade started in this community, residents and witnesses reported they heard gunfire, shots rang out and people then started to scatter. the interesting thing about this, too, there was a number of police and fire officials and personnel on hand, not uncommon. it's very common during a parade

you'll find military, police and firefighters on duty. that is the case today as well. that did not deter the person who was intent on firing from doing so. you have children, parents, grandparents, family and friends all gathered for a small little parade in this town and then everything went wild. it was panic as people ran literally running for their life. >> i want to bring in kristen carlson, who is now sheltering in place. she has two young kids. she's joining us. thank you for being with us. how are you? where are you? >> i'm in my mother's house in highland park in the 200 park of highland block and i think the shooting was around in the 600 block so it just a few blocks away and we're sheltering in place in my mom's house. >> tell me what happened. what did you see and what did

you hear? >> we were running a little bit late today so we were walking down an alley and we were going to sit on st. john's, intersecting with central and i guess the shooting was on central but we were around the corner by st. john's and we heard shots. it didn't register to me that they were shots. but then people started running, all these people were running at us and they were screaming that there's a shooter and to run. and then the sirens were so loud and people running, coming running at us and then we were running. and then there were some people who weren't necessarily from the immediate area and we gave them shelter in the back yard.

eventually everyone got home. they were picked up. that's pretty much what i saw. i could hear sirens. there was a helicopter going overhead because the shooter is on the loose. and they're looking for him. i don't live here anymore but i'm afraid to get in my car and go back home. we're just hiding here in my mom's house. >> and i know you have two young children, kristen. are they with you? where are they? >> i actually don't have two young children. i have a 20-year-old and a 17-year-old and the 17-year-old is with me. >> okay. >> we were helping young children try to reunite with their families. >> got it. tell me more about that. were there kids that had been separated from their families? >> oh, yes. because people just ran and they

just left their stuff and people were running. it was terrifying. you could see the terror on their faces. i know i hoped a little boy, andrew, i helped him get back with his family. and there was another little boy who maybe was 7 and he was by himself and another little boy of about the same age came over to him and said what's your name and he said my name is blake. and that little boy said, blake, run, come with me. the little boy's family took blake and they ran. they were running and the mom was panicked and looking for him, she didn't know where he was and i don't know where he ended up. but i think he was safe and i

know this family is taking goold good care of him and i know there are children separated from their families and local families are trying to reunite their kids. it struck me that these kids were little like between 7 and 10. they were scared. they had terrified looks on their faces but they were so composed because they've been through active shooter drills and they knew what to do. they knew what to do. because of moments like now. >> it's horrific and the panic and the terror that i know you are feeling and that these kids and these families are feeling, it's in some ways unimaginable. how many people ended up going back with you, kristen, to your mom's place, sheltering in your yard? >> maybe a dozen.

>> just to get so someplace safe, just to be someplace away from the parade route, to be somewhere safe? >> yes. and it wasn't necessarily confirmed at the time that it was a shooter but that was the word that was spreading and we can think about that. we stayed in the yard, there were probably a dozen people and eventually people came to pick them up. >> at what point do you think you will leave heading out, considering what we know from law enforcement, which is that the suspected shooter is still on the run? >> i don't know. like if they catch him, i honestly don't know.

to get out of here, go near the shooter, i honestly don't know how long i'll be here. i don't know what to say. >> you know, having covered too many of these, kristen, and like you having watched too many of these shootings, i often hear people say i never thought it could happen here, i never thought in my community it could happen. do you feel that way? is it unimaginable to you? or is there a sense been what we've seen unfolding in this country over the past several years that this was a potential? kristen, i'm looking at your shot, i think it's been frozen. let me see if we can get you back at all. i want to thank kristen carlson who was with us there. she is sheltering at her mom's place, at her family's house in

highland park. she had come in from a different area outside chicago for this parade. as you heard kristen describe, had run with dozens of other people, leaving this parade route. she took maybe 12 people back to this back yard to a place that seemed safer, she watched little kids looking to figure out how to get with their parents, get somewhere to be away from the chaos unfolding on this main drag in highland park where this suspected shooter is still on the run, still on the loose. took up position on a rooftop and began firing down below, six dead, 24 people seriously hurt in the hospital. we're going to take a quick break but we'll bring you updates on the other side.

. we are back with breaking news. police are looking for a white man around 18 to 20 years of age. he's smaller, small build. left behind one weapon, a rifle. the person is considered armed and dangerous. the fbi is helping with the investigation, chicago police have their aviation unit deployed to help in the search, too. former new york city police commissioner is joining us. dermot, talk to me about the updates we've gotten from police in just the last 40 minutes or so looking at my clock here, where do you see this going and what is the priority for law enforcement? >> the number one and only priority is to find the person responsible and make sure he doesn't hurt anyone else. that has to be -- i liken this

as i hear the details coming through, it reminds me first and foremost of the terrible tragedy in las vegas where you had the individual shooting from an elevated position. when you think back to the boston marathon bombing, that was not resolved immediately and a large manhunt went into place. it took, my recollection, is days where others wound up losing their life. it's imperative for law enforcement to get all assets into the field as quickly as possible and follow up on every possible lead to bring this to conclusion. >> commander shea, is there anything you haven't heard from police as a former law enforcement official you would want to know? >> in new york city we had the luxury of having a large amount of assets. and the world changed several years ago when you looked at the west side highway ramming attack

and the incident that i mentioned in las vegas. and we took a different look at all events after those two incidents where we would plan differently for large-scale events. but the reality is as you look across this great country of ours, other police departments simply don't have those resources. so that's the first thing that i thought of. right now it's got to be following up. you have a description. they're going to have to follow of ounce of forensic evidence, what was left at the scene. the good news is we have a description and so then you have a direction of flight or possible direction of flight. they get into what way do we go, do we have cameras in those direction? who else saw anything out of the ordinary? you start to get utilizing both eyewitness accounts and technology to hopefully just shrink this as quickly as possible and draw the net in. this is a situation when they

don't resolve immediately, unfortunately sometimes they take time and hopefully time is on the perpetrator's side on this one because the further he gets away, that's not a good story for law enforcement. >> how important is it that law enforcement has recovered the rifle? >> it's a piece of evidence that is critical here. certainly for prosecution, in there's a prosecution down the road. it's also something can be -- the atf will already be working hand in hand with local law enforcement, fbi, all agencies working to the to try to trace that weapon and how many leads back, does it go to a viable lead? it could be the perpetrator in this case purchased the weapon. it could be three, four steps back but every one of those people will be visited very quickly and ascertain what's the life cycle of this weapon. >> stand by for one minute for

me. on the left side there, those are live pictures coming in from highland park, illinois. on the right you're going to see video that has previously come in. that's our local affiliate in chicago that is also live broadcasting this. tom winters is one of our investigative correspondents. you've been digging into more with your sources. brings up to speed. >> taking a little bit of a cue off former commissioner shea and what he was talking about, when you look at the response here, halle, they are marshaling resources from other police departments, chicago police department, which is approximately 20 miles or so away from where this occurred, from their helicopter to help search for the suspect, the fbi is assisting and undoubtedly with the an tf when this gun

came from, that could be a major clue to determine who they are looking for. at this hour we're told a white male, 18 to 20 years of age, wearing light colored clothing, long hair, kind of a small if and we don't have a lot more information than that. we have a ton of disinformation, which seems to build with each shooting that we have, anything reports that appear not to be true. but there were additional shootings or perhaps a barricaded or has hostage situation. we are told quite clearly that is not the case. that's the big question, who is this individual, who are they looking for and when can this person be captured or put into custody in some form? that's really what police are

focused on at this point as i know you've been reporting six dead, 24 injured seriously, although perhaps others. we don't know how many of those were injured by gunshots. in a situation like this, people hear shots and begin to flee and people can be understandably little kid, strollers, we've seen video of that on social media. that's where injuries can occur. hopefully there are no serious injuries to kids. that's what we're kind of looking at overall. we do know that it has been widely reported this is a predominant. >> tom, what is the nexus with federal law enforcement here? this is a beat you cover.

the fbi we know is involved in not just this investigation but in this manhunt, now, too. >> initially, it's investigate the e.r.t., evidence response team, is just overwhelming in force and their ability to determine what evidence is where. we don't know how many shots were fired. the initial video i saw was a quick burst of five to eight rounds so it's unclear many and each individual shell casings is but in the more immediate term, the ability to have people will who can say we found maybe an article of clothing somewhere so

the direction that type of information can be critically helpfulat this stage, commissioner shave talked about the tremendous manpower thats to not ekkist and help police figure out who did this so that this person can be brought to justice is something that is there are six families who have lost and 24 other families who are and hoping for the best for the people that they love. at what point do you anticipate the public getting more information about the people who were hurt in the shooting and talk a little bit more about the

process you as commissioner say mentioned and come continueful and finding the at-large suspect and getting him into custody. along with that there will be all the families who are worried. a woman spoke about finding children in her back yard who were unaccompanied and trying to get them reunion if i kated with their families in that mass chaos when the shots first rang out. so they'll set up a reunification point, a place where they can get information to family members who may not be able to locate someone. also the hospital will be putting information together so that they can notify next i kin,

that they notify the family and friends of those who have been injured who may be checking in on them. that's going to be very much a priority as well but the top priority is finding the suspect, no doubt about it. but they'll be setting up these checkpoints in areas for we'll to get information and try to get reubified with loved ones. obviously there's going to be a lot of concern and haven't been able to locate them at this point. >> how big of a perimeter, if you will, how big of a radius do police set up and will police set up outside highland park to search for this person? >> this is dermot speaking now. it's somewhat of a moot point at this point. that's not to say you're not

playing close attention to perimeters. this if in a car, quickly getting very far away. that's the problem for law enforcement where they simply we are going to be getting hundreds of and and the call is going to be for anyone. if the hair on the back of your neck goes up, you're right, call it in to the police and let them verify if that's a valid issue. if you think back to the boston bombing case, it was in the back yard, hiding in the boat where they eventually found that person. and that's to remember here, that that person that committed this heinous act today and i know all americans are angry as

they turn on the news right now, his world is shrinking. and even his family more often than not will turn their back on him. i am sure as details come out, somebody will be calling up now and say somebody said something the other day, i didn't take it seriously but here's what i know. it tips like that that often help law enforcement. >> i want to bring in jim cavanaugh. we just learned that atf chicago is going to the scene. what does that tell us? >> they'll plug into a pattern, they interview people, follow phone tips. it basically becomes a small

army of law enforcement that seamlessly works to the. it's a joint operation center. things move fast in the early hours and you look for critical tips and you try to leverage the public to help you. some information has been put out already that the public can look at. here's an 18 to 20-year-old, about that age, white male, has long hair, had on a blue t-shirt you, which he left the fingerprints on the scene. and he could have been wearing gloves but he might not have wiped down every little surface. so fingerprints, if they're on there, could lead to good information, if he has a criminal record or even military record, there could be some way to track there. but what you want the public to do is say i know a guy that

looks like that and he left this morning wearing a blue t-shirt. could it be him? most of those people are not the guy. police are used to dealing like that. we take thousands of tips like that all the time and we just have to look into them. we check and the guy was at work all day and end of story. you shouldn't be afraid to call if you have information that's giving you pause, if someone who is always expressing a hatred for the country or certain people. one thing we don't know in this case is was the killer shooting at anyone in random, which probably is the case, it sound like it because he shot so many on the street from a high position or was he just shooting at some people, certain people? we don't know the answer to that. that would be something we'd like to hear anybody from the commanders. if he's shooting at just anyone at random, to be able to pick a

target on the 4th of july, of a july 4th parade where you have to have a lot of angst for america to do something like that, you have to be pretty angry at america. you could do a mass killing in another location, like we've all seen unfortunately, supermarkets, other places where people gather. so this could give us a look into what could be the motive of this particular killer. he may have expressed hatred for the country, the government, america, the way things are going. maybe someone like that would come to mind. the highland park detective bureau, the atf agent, the fbi agents and the illinois state troopers and all the surrounding communities, including chicago

p.d., are just going to be all in there in this joint operation center, joint command, working this thing night and day. this is not going to slow down until this guy's caught. it's going to be all night, all week. it's going to be very intense. >> i want to let folks know in just about 15 minutes, a little less than, we expect to be getting another news conference from police according to our local affiliate, nbc chicago, saying police will provide another update. you heard them at the beginning of the last hour around 2:00 eastern time saying they would be providing new information or as much information as they could every 30 to 60 minutes, it looks as they are holding to that as the manhunt continues for the suspected shooter. you're looking at video coming in off tiktok.

the governor says there are no words for a monster who lies in wait and fires into a crowd children and there are no words of the kind of evil that robs you are neighbors of their hopes, dreams, futures. there are no words that can offer to lift the pain that those died leave behind. adding the grief -- the governor now reacting to the news that we've heard in just the last hour. tom winter, i think you're still with us. let me bring you back into the conversation here. >> yes, and it's really refreshing when we have police departments that do briefings as often as they do in incidents like this because it's important. obviously people were concerned and we're not that far from a major metropolitan area.

so if the shooter has not been apprehended yet, you always worry about what other events or types are celebrations could this person show up to. more information is best and it appears that up a july fourth p an affluent suburb of chicago today. he's a male 18 to 20 years of age according to police, a white male. left behind a gun, believed to be a rifle. smallish build with white color and long, black hair. that's two they're looking for at this point. they say they're considering him armed and dangerous, even though he left behind a rifle. obviously, he could have other weapons. that's what we know. six people dead, 24 seriously injured. not clear if all of them are gunshot related or not. and reporting of other minor injuries, as well. we do not yet have any sort of an indication from law

enforcement officials. we don't know if the parade was targeted for some sort of particular ideology or he's part of some sort of hate crime. but obviously, that's a very specific thing to target and attack. it's one of the reasons why we have taken this so seriously, and my colleagues and i have been reporting this so thoroughly here since the moment we first got indications of it. so it is something that concerns us, but we don't have any information yet that is indicating one way or another what the motive may be. >> the big box on your screen to the left, that's coming in from our local chicago affiliate, wmaq. no indication that car is connected, it could be somebody ran from the car in the parade and now they're looking to get that out of the street. i wanted to reference that for folks who might be wondering what it is.

chief, police made clear in the last news conference about 45 minutes ago that they believe this suspect should be considered armed and dangerous, but they would not go into detail whether they believed he had any other weapons beyond the rifle that was recovered at the scene. is that typical protocol in an incident like this, to assume the worst, if you will, so that folks are on guard? >> absolutely. and the fact of the matter is, we don't know if the suspect has more weapons and ammunition with him. we've seen a number of these incidents where there are multiple firearms involved. the fact that he left a rifle at the scene may be an indication he had one, but we may have had more weapons, as well. we don't know where he was going, and if they're trying to determine the direction of travel and other information that would help bring him into custody. assuming he's armed and

dangerous is the correct thing to do at this point. so the law enforcement wants to make sure the community knows that and shelters in place in case he is armed and dangerous. we don't know if he's gone to ground, that is hiding somewhere nearby or if he was able to escape further away. at this point, we're going to make sure that -- law enforcement is going to make sure that everyone is aware of the description and assumes this person is armed and dangerous. >> we know that events have been canceled in all areas around chicago, as well as other locations too after this shooting happened, considering this person is still out there. police described it as an active incident and an eyewitness that you heard from earlier is still sheltering in place. jim, we heard the chief talking about this firearm recovered. we know that atf chicago is involved. how long typically does it take

to trace a gun back to whoever it was registered to? >> atf will do what we call an urgent trace. on police shootings where officers are shot or political figures are shot, we just rapidly can trace the gun very, very quickly. the atf has a national firearms tracing center. the phone calls will be going in. we're not allowed to computerize that information because congress won't allow atf to computerize information. so we have to do the work by hand and telephone. we will rapidly do it. when john hinckley shot ronald reagan years ago, we were able to do an urgent trace on that gun and within hours traced right back to him. so they'll be doing that. that's already ongoing. i guarantee that is ongoing already. they'll have a handle on where that rifle -- the last retail purchaser of that rifle was. if they don't have it, they will

have it this evening. that could be a very, very important lead. fingerprints as well on the gun, magazines, even shell casings. hallie, i saw them taking the red car, the convertible. it looked like that might have been a convertible in the parade. and it probably was shot. it probably has bullets in it, projectiles in it. maybe someone was wounded or killed in the car. so the car is evidence. and most likely that's why they're taking it on the wrecker, because when you are shooting from a roof top and you have people in convertibles, it's just, you know, it harkens back to oswald shooting president kennedy from the sixth floor onto the slow-moving, you know, motorcade that was only moving a few miles an hour. a parade is the same way. it's a slow-moving event. so someone shooting with a rifle into a slow-moving parade, it's just so vulgar and devastating.

and that's why the number of victims is so high. i mean, he's got an accurate rifle, he's got a perch. he has people sprayed out in front of him that he can massacre. by the time they react, he can kill so many people. so the case is moving very rapidly now. they're trying to gather and leverage every tidbit they get. i'm sure they have tips already, having been on so many big cases like this. the tips start to roll in and you get your command post set up. in the atf and fbi, we computerize the leads on these fast-moving big cases so we don't lose anything. because you get so many thousands of bits of information that come in rapidly, and you have to catalog them and not lose them. so that effort will be ongoing, as well. a lot of wheels are spinning. it's not when you see just a patrol officer here with a rifle protecting a crime scene. what you're sot seeing is somewhat we call the white

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i'm hallie jackson in washington, as we are following breaking news this hour. six people have been killed. at least 24 seriously hurt after a shooting at a july fourth parade in highland park in illinois, a suburb of chicago. this is video from the scene within the last few hours. the suspect in this is still on the run. police do not know where he is, but they believe he is a man, a white man, younger, between the ages of 18 to 20, wearing a blue shirt with long, dark hair and smaller build. we heard from law enforcement officials who say that the shooter left a rifle behind at the scene. he's considered armed and dangerous. he was apparently shooting from a roof top. our nbc station in chicago is

saying there should be another update sometime this hour. as we talk to eye witnesses who described the chaos and the terror. >> we heard the howitzer-like gunshots. people thought for like five seconds that it was fireworks, until people started screaming, bodies down, bodies down. and everybody started running. >> joining me now are my guests. thanks so all of you for being here. we learned a lot of new information from law enforcement in just about the last 60 to 70 minutes. specifically, the number of victims. six people dead, two dozen hurt. and in the hospital. we learned more about the rifle that was recovered at the scene. the position of the shooter, who was on a roof top, aiming down at the parade below in highland park.

we learned that police are considering him armed and dangerous, and that this was, in their words, completely random. no word, no indication of a motive at this point. >> absolutely. and the random event caused massive terror. we're listening to a woman who was reporting for people on our sister affiliate station in chicago, and she talked about this was a day to celebrate freedom. and she felt today, as if she were not free. she was with her 3-year-old daughter, and she had to run quickly from that area. and her daughter looked back and wondered would they leave the candy behind? imagine, she said, somewhat she has to think now about how to tell her daughter what happened. and hoping that her daughter maybe won't remember anything about this horrifying event except the candy that was left behind. but this mother remembers, and

she said what we heard in many places when people said they didn't think it could happen here. this woman said in a small town, a lovely community like hers, she didn't think that it could be gunshots when she heard a pop, pop, pop. she said it's my community, it's highland park. it's daytime, not nighttime. it can't be happening here. and yet it did. and her whole sense of what is freedom and what is celebration was shattered today. not just for her but for the six lives lost and the 24 people seriously injured when this mayhem erupted by someone who was in a sniper position shooting from a roof top into this community. an affluent community with a large jewish population. at this point, it is way too early to say whether this is hate motivated. police don't know a motive, except this person must have been intending to create terror. and that was achieved. hallie? >> you are looking live on the

left side of your screen at aerials of highland park, the parade route. the american flag flying there on the fourth of july near where the shooting happened. still a heavy police presence on scene. and tom winter, a heavy police presence on the hunt for this suspected shooter. police say they still don't know where he. >> that's correct. we don't have a name on this individual either. as you mentioned, the gun certainly, and i'll leave it to jim cavanaugh, who is more of an expert in this area than i am, but the gun will be key in tracing the purchase of that weapon. was it recently purchased if it was a legal buy? perhaps that will lead them to a name of this individual, at least a lead for them to go on. fbi assisting with -- with manpower at this point. men and women responding for evidence searches and for any access to federal databases that they can assist with this

manhunt. on top of that, you have the chicago police department. they have dispatched their aviation units to help with any sort of search. this is approximately 20 to 25 miles from chug. it's a community that is predominantly jewish. so at this point, there's a whole host of factors that law enforcement is looking into. however, there are no indications, and i want to be clear about this, no indications that this is some sort of hate crime or bias attack against the jewish community. however, any time, you know, we heard one person in policing say this is a random attack. but this is a fourth of july parade. we've got a community here, and so i think it's important for us to keep our minds open to any sort of motive or ideology. we just don't know what that is and we have not heard that from law enforcement. there has been some misinformation circling about

that there was an ongoing hostage or barricaded situation perhaps, or that there was another shooting scene, but that's all been checked out by law enforcement officials and proven to be inaccurate. so at this point, we do have a manhunt. this reminds me of a situation a couple of years ago. we had the former commissioner in the nypd on earlier, where there was an incident that occurred at parade for veterans in new jersey in the morning, and then several hours later that individual showed up in new york city. there was a bombing in new jersey and a bomb went off in new york city's chelsea neighborhood. so when you have a holiday like this where you have a gathering of people, and there's no more of an american gathering than the fourth of july festivities, certainly the capture of this individual is pair mount, because you don't want them showing up at another public event and you don't want people nervous or concerned.

i'm sure there is an enormous law enforcement response to try to track down this person, as you described, hallie, white male, aged 18 to 20, long, black hair. small build. that's who they're looking for. some sort of a light-colored t-shirt, white or blue, that he was wearing at the time of this incident. that's all we have at the moment. >> we are looking live. again, our nbc station in chicago is bringing in some of this update now from law enforcement. we are going to listen in to this update from police. [ inaudible ] >> i'm going to go over to the commander. he's going to talk about the initial scene response, what that sound like, what that looked like.

>> greetings. last name oneill. this morning at 10:14 a.m., highland park police and fire department units were on scene for the fourth of july parade that started at city hall at st. john's by the train station which ran to central avenue and then west to sunset park. around 10:14 p.m., we heard loud reports which we perceived as gunfire. police units immediately ran to the plaza area, the source, to locate and identify the source of the noise and the gunshots and gunfire. we immediately identified there were people down, that we had numerous people injured and shot. we communicated that information with our police dispatch, coordinated a medical response with the fire department and began setting up and inner and outer perimeter, and also requested additional outside resources. we established a command post

staging area here on central avenue. and we continue to obtain information or gather information to try to coordinate who was doing the shooting and where that person was last seen. firearm evidence was located on the roof top of a nearby business that was secured. the suspect description we had at the time was broadcast on police radio and shared with responding and on-scene units. highland park police and fire personnel began transporting injured parties to the highland park police departments, and additional resources helped us at the scene. we had on-scene police commander, which was myself, our patrol, supervisor handled city-wide command for any other incidents. and then we had a commander assigned here at the firestation for the command post. >> most importantly, as far as the investigative aspect goes of this, and this is two pronged at

this time. number one, we are aggressively looking for the individual who is responsible for this shooting. number two, we have the criminal investigation that is occurring simultaneously. we're asking anybody with any video surveillance that they may have. please review your cell phones if you were snapping pictures in the area today. that could help investigators. they may see something in there that may be useful and allow them to proceed further with the investigation. any business owners in that area, we're asking please review your video surveillance. if you have any surveillance of that area at that time, even if you don't see anything in there, we would love to take a look at that so we can further our investigation. again, the fbi is working in conjunction with us. we have well over 100 law enforcement officers out here on the scene, doing the investigation on one side and doing the apprehension efforts on the other. so this is very active and will remain very active for the time to come. i'll try to answer some questions that i can. but please understand we can't

give away certain aspects of the investigation. we don't want to negatively impact. we want to arrest the offender and hold him accountable. >> was the building sealed where the rifle was recovered? >> i'm not sure of that right now. [ inaudible question ] >> none that i am aware of. certainly, investigators are combing through social media to see if there is any clues or information that they can uncover through social media that might help the investigation. [ inaudible question ] >> so as of now, we have approximately two dozen victims that were transported to area hospitals. there's a number of hospitals, some hospitals did require going on bypass due to receiving traumatic victims and such a high number of them. so hospitals throughout the region received patients from this. their conditions range from critical, some serious. [ inaudible question ]

>> my understanding as of now is they ran from the gunfire, but the suspect ceased firing. [ inaudible question ] >> all indications is he was very difficult to see. >> did he stop to reload? >> that's something we're looking at. certainly, the evidence technicians are going to collect the rounds that were discharged from the firearm. another thing to remember, this is what is being considered as a very massive scene. it's very large. you have where the shooting took place at 2nd and central, but as people fled from the area, there's evidence and other things that may have gotten caught on their shoes, kicked around. so it's a very large scene. we're very fortunate to have the support of the fbi. but we're not going to leave any

stones unturned. we're going to look at every angle and try to figure it out. as far as ages of the victims the coroner will be able to provide some information at our 3:00 press briefing. several of the deceased victims, unfortunately, perished at the scene. it sounds like one of them was transported to an area hospital where they perished. again, this is preliminary information changes, especially when there's close to 30 people transported to various hospitals. [ inaudible question ] >> whatly say is it was a high powered rifle. i can't go into details just yet. we will release that information as soon as we can. we walk a fine line with any criminal investigation. we don't want to provide too much external information that can negatively impact what our detectives are doing. [ inaudible question ] >> yeah, it's very sad

situation, where it sounds like spectators were targeted. even those that were marching through. the parade was approximately three quarters of the way through when the shooting kerred. so very random, very intentional and very sad day. [ inaudible ] >> we are working really hard where they could be. i don't want to give bad information. he could be in the city or somewhere else. we're look sbogs -- into it. [ inaudible ] >> it's a large conglomerate of law enforcement working together hand in hand. the fbi is leading the criminal investigation with highland park police. highland park police led the incident command when this was all rapidly unfolding. as far as the search for the individual, we have enlisted the help of several federal partners. we have the state police, we

have other s.w.a.t. teams on the scene here and all working together to further that aspect, as well. [ inaudible ] >> we're working as hard as we can. and we want to make sure that the information we're receiving and putting out is accurate. and that when the individual is apprehended, it's the correct individual. they're working hard. [ inaudible question ] >> i might be able to provide that later. i don't have that right now. let's do a couple more questions. [ inaudible question ] >> sure. my name is christopher covelli. and i'm the spokesman for the lake county major crime task force. [ inaudible ] >> i think there's a couple ways

communities will look at this. number one, you have a tragic, mass act of violence that was random here today at a community event where people were gathered to celebrate. and the offender still has not been apprehended thus far. so, you know, could this happen again? we don't know what his intentions are at this point. certainly, we're not sure of that. on the other hand, i think there's a lot of communities that are not looking forward to celebrating after something like this happens in their backyard. [ inaudible ] >> as of right now, the information i have is there are six deceased. >> do you have any reports of people in the crowd helping those injured? >> there were, and i'm sure they will come forward, there were a number of heroic actions by members of the community, by police, first responders that rushed in and immediately tended to the victims and tried to get

them help. right now the focus of this investigation is catch thing guy. [ inaudible ] >> so highland park police has established a family and friends reunification post at the highland park police department. anybody who is looking for somebody or anybody that got lost or separated during the event, they can go there, the reunification is happening there. again, folks -- [ inaudible ] >> some people, business owners, employees and businesses have waited in their buildings for police escort. right now the s.w.a.t. team is escorting people out, getting them to safety. and being there for them so they feel comfortable as they leave the facility ch. 3:00, we'll be back. thank you, folks. >> so that update there, with new information now from law enforcement about what happened

and where things stand now. most importantly, the suspected shooter is still at large. not in custody at this point. more than 100 law enforcement officers are working on the investigation and working to capture him. he's been described, as you heard last hour, as a white man, ages 18 to 20-ish, wearing a blue or white shirt with long black hair. the kind of rifle recovered, the police went on to say is it's a high powered rifle. we know that six people have been killed. several were kid on scene, according to police. at least one person died on the way or at the hospital. the parade was roughly three quarters of the way over when this person started shooting from a roof top location. now the call is out for any businesses, any spectators, et cetera, to provide video, anything you may have, even if you don't see something in it, police might.

that's why they want their hands on all of this, calling the shooting very random and very intentional. you heard reference to some of the hero spectators, some of the people who jumped into action to try to save lives at this community, highland park, 25 miles north of chicago. this is some of the aerials now, the heavy police presence there, where people had come out to celebrate. we know some of the 24 victims a t the hospital are hurt. some are in serious condition. some in critical condition, too. as we heard highland park police lay out the response immediately, coming in just about four hours ago, even at this point, some people inside businesses still sheltering, waiting along the parade route for s.w.a.t. teams to help bring them out. i want to bring back my guests. rehema, i'll turn to you first. by the way, another update about

40 minutes from now when we expect to learn more about the vims here. >> one of the things, hallie, that the authorities are saying that this is an all-hands-on-deck investigation. he said local, state and federal authorities are working together on this manhunt, that more than 100 officers are involved in the investigation. i was struck by what he said, and you pointed out a moment ago, that the s.w.a.t. team was assisting team to evacuate from some of those buildings along the parade route, two had to be just frightened by what they saw unfolding in front of them. the other thing is he pointed out is what we're all saying today, this is a holiday, this is a day where people take a break from the troubling of everyday life, and just relax. no relaxing today. he said, we were here to celebrate. a woman mentioned this earlier, and eye witness. she said we were here to celebrate. celebrate freedom. but she said this is not freedom. i think that's something that will ring out with a lot of

people, that all of what they intended to do was shattered. they just wanted to have a good morning parade activity with family and friends, and they will always remember this fourth of july as anything but a peaceful celebration. the other thing that we should mention too as police say, that this is still an active shooter situation. they're still looking for the gunman in this case, and they say that he is armed and dangerous. they are telling people that they should shelter in place. so even people two are hunkered down in their homes right now, some are saying that they're afraid. how do they know where this person is around whether or not they could be coming to where they are? >> we talked to a woman maybe an hour ago who didn't want to leave her family house to get pack to her house. she was concerned, she still felt nervous. she had seen, she says, some young kids, ages 7, 8, 9,

separated from their family members. there is a reunification post for people to find those they may have gotten separated from. i want to go to darnell. working in homeland security for the city of d.c. understand what it's like to mount such a massive response to a crisis. [ no audio ] >> -- so one thing i think the viewers should take away from the press conference we just heard is the professionalism with which the law enforcement and other entities are approaching this. it's a huge juxtaposition from some of the other shootings we have seen. the issue right now, this is an ongoing evolving incident with no suspect in custody. so from a law enforcement standpoint, we need to know whether this is part of a larger conspiracy, whether this individual has a secondary target, where they're part of a

larger group or a lone actor. so that's happening behind the scenes in the intelligence space combing open source intelligence, looking for a nexus to other individuals. so the onus is on every single town, city, and small community to make sure the fourth of july parades are safe. and you're going to see this evening, because we're not done with fourth of july, overwhelming law enforcement presence to make sure people feel safe, which is a difficult thing to do in this day and age. no place is safe, and apparently no occasion, such as the birth of our nation, is safe. >> you think about the people marching in this parade. how many of you are watching at home are listening on the radio or at a fourth of july parade perhaps today? we're getting a little information in. at least a small bit of good news from highland park according to our station in

chicago. the highland park high school says all the members of the marching band are okay. they had been marching in the parade, of course, small town, high school band marches in the parade. that's something you see in places all of the country. fortunately, at least we understand from the school, from wmaq, those people are all okay. tom winter is joining us, as well. tom, you heard from the law enforcement officials who just delivered that briefing within the last 15 minutes, that there is a massive federal response. in addition to state and local response, to getting this shooter in custody. >> exactly, hallie. so you have approximately 550 members of the lake county sheriff's office, that's who provided the briefing there. and saving the stories of who did what and when for another

time. obviously, focusing on the victims. so they've got approximately 550 members. you've got 1,836 sworn illinois state troopers, obviously a fair amount of them are in the chicago area. so they're assisting with this, as well. the chicago police say they have provide their aviation unit to help with any potential searches or help canvas the area. and then you have the fbi. the strength of the fbi at this point is their ability -- they should be able to get the information off of the closest cell phone towers there, to see what numbers were in the area that will provide a haystack of information, and based on other information that they gather, they can be able to try to determine who might have been in that area at the time, does it link up to anybody who they have any sort of threat information

on? and kind of go forward from there. i'm going to intentionally withhold details, because there is somebody they are looking for, but that's one of the things the fbi can do. one of the most important players at this point is the atf. they really need to -- now that we know that a high powered rifle was left behind, we really need to know who was the person that purchased that, what other information can you glean from that time of purchase? were there other guns that were bought at that time at that particular store? so that's the type of information that can help maybe dial you into a couple of key components, which is who is this person and do they have any other weapons? police have said he should be considered armed and dangerous. so that's something they're keeping in mind, and the public in that community is keeping in mind, as well. so you have your state and local components, and obviously, the technical expertise and just the

men and women of the fbi and atf. we can help out in this situation, and you're close to one of the largest metropolitan centers in the country in chicago, which has a large police department and a number of communities celebrating july fourth events. so safe to say that police are going to be on their toes here as far as trying to determine who this person is, and obviously, if we get any information on that line, along those lines i should say, as well as any sort of information about motive, you know, we'll bring that to you. >> tom, i know you're working your sources, thank you. i want to bring in lynn sweet, who was there at the parade. i don't know if it was in your personal or professional capacity, but tell us what you saw. >> well, i was there because i am from chicago, and i have family in highland park. i was at this parade, because when i'm in highland park on the

fourth of july, this is what everybody does. you go to the parade. so what i saw was a parade that kicked off just normally, fire engines, the high school band, the klezmer band playing. and then people started fleeing. i was down the way from where the shots happened, so there were hundreds of people running away. i went towards the scene. it's sad to say i saw very quickly the bloodshed that this shooter, still at large, the bloodshed that this shooter committed. i observed the -- the sad to say multiple bodies. i observed people wounded and pools of blood. all this happened near the reviewing stand of the parade in this suburb, which is about 30 miles north of downtown chicago, hugging the shores of lake

michigan. >> what are your sources telling you now, lynn, as you continue to talk to people and colleagues in the community? >> well, the shooter is at large. in a sense, the sources are saying everything that we just heard at the police briefing. i can tell you there is a massive police presence. streets are barricaded. multiple law enforcement agencies are here on the scene. and in an abundance of caution, even the local beaches are closed. there are heavily armed police at the local commuter train station. and one of the most vivid scenes is how everything is frozen in time on the parade route, where people just left their baby carriages, their baskets, their food, and water bottles as they fled the scene.

>> lynn sweet, i know you have to go. i'm so grateful for your time here for sharing what you answered. we're thinking of you and thinking of everybody there in highland park. really appreciate you joining us on the phone. >> thank you, bye. i want to share more with what we heard at the scene, including from a doctor. listen. >> when you got to the two areas, you saw blood everywhere. you saw bodies down. you saw people screaming. umm, you saw massive amounts of blood in the people that were gone. their injuries were horrific. and then, you know, there were people who had leg injuries and people who couldn't -- smaller injuries. there were a lot of people that got transported who were not in life threatening situations. but there were a lot of bodies.

i mean, who was expecting to need 15 ambulances on the scene of the highland park parade? >> i spoke with another eyewitness who was running a little bit late to the parade in highland park, she says, when all of a sudden she saw people racing toward her, screaming "run." watch >> we were walking down an alley, and we were going to sit on st. john's. st. john's intersects with central. and i guess the shooting was on central, but we were around the corner by st. john's, and we heard shots. it didn't register to me that they were shots. but then people started running. all these people were running at us, and they were screaming "there's a shooter" and to run. and the sirens were so loud and people just running at us, and

then we were running. and then there were some people who weren't necessarily from the immediate area, and we gave them shelter in the backyard. eventually, everyone got home. they were picked up. >> yeah. >> umm, that's pretty much what i saw. i can hear sirens. there's a helicopter going overhead because the shooter is on the loose. so we can hear the helicopter overhead. i don't live here any more, but i'm afraid to get in my car and go back home. so we're just hiding here in my mom's house. >> chaos and grief, and anger and shock in highland park, in and around chicago this afternoon, as we are getting more and more information about

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we're back with breaking news out of highland park, illinois, a suburb of chicago, where a shooter opened fire at that fourth of july parade within about the last four hours or so. just about 10:15 local time this morning, you're seeing video from the people there. at least six people were killed. at least 24 others have been hurt according to police. we heard from the law enforcement agencies working on this response just about 30 minutes ago. here's what they said. >> most importantly as far as the investigative aspect goes of this, and this is two pronged at this time. number one, we are aggressively looking for is individual who is responsible for this shooting. number two, we have the criminal investigation that is occurring simultaneously.

we're asking anybody with any video surveillance that they may have, please review your cell phone it is you were snapping pictures in the area of 2nd and central today. that could help investigators. they may see something that may be useful and allow them to proceed further with the investigation. >> christopher covelli there with the crimes task force, asking business owners to provide surveillance footage they may have. there is more than 100 members of law enforcement out there working on the criminal investigation and also on this manhunt to find this white man, young, white man, around 18, 19, 20 years old, slight build, long, black hair according to police. we're expecting another update in about 22 minutes from now. and at the next one, 4:00 eastern time, 3:00 chicago time, we anticipate hearing more about the victims, the six people who were killed. we know at least some of them were killed on scene.

these one of the victims died on the way to the hospital. i want to bring back in my guests. chief best, to you. at this point, we are now four plus hours beyond the time that the shooting began. you heard that last update from law enforcement, talking about the immediate response, highland park police were obviously in the area when this was happening, racing toward specta heroes at the scene jumping into action to help these shooting victims. >> yeah, that's right. as we hear the eyewitness accounts of the chaos, the dismay and the shock of this event, it really brings to light just thehe sheriff said, both civilians and law enforcement, taking immediate action to

protect those and help those that were injured at the scene. we know that at least five died at the scene. and so we know that there was a lot of chaos and pandemonium as described eaie taking the time to take care and to assist others who this event as it was transpiring. so the lake county department has done an excellent job of providing information, of keeping the public and the press apprised of what is happening, with consistent interviews. this is so critically important, especially as the suspect is still at large, that they keep information flowing. >> we are just getting an update from some of the area hospitals around highland park from our team of producers and correspondents who are working on this story in and around chicago. one of the hospitals says that of the 24 individuals that the e

said some were in serious or critical condition. eight went to this particular hospital, and according to that location, they say six were hurt from the gunshot, but two were hurt from falls, for example. so related injuries, not directly from the shooting, directly from the bullets, but from some of the chaos and some of the sort of obviously >> yeah, we fully expect there will be, as people were rushing out, call it a to seek safety, there could be some casualties oh of that, as well. we don't know this point. it could be higher than the two that they have identified. but that is to be expected with such an unpredictable event occurring, and people just running to save themselves, and get out of harm's way.

>> one of the new pieces of information, jim cavanaugh, you are still with us, we know that atf chicago is rest that it was recovered at the scene, but t specifically it is somewhat police are calling a high-powered rifle recovered on the roof of this business where the shooter posted up, jim. >> right. one of the witnesses, hallie, that was interviewed earlier on msnbc talked about -- sounded like a howitzer. that's a large rifle shot. that's not a .22 rifle, it's a large caliber rifle. something that really puts those projectiles out at high velocity, a hunting rifle, something with a big cartridge in it. so that's what they heard. that's what caused the pandemonium. of course, probably some rapid fire. of course, like we talked earlier, this is a slow moving parade. i mean, the parade by nature is

rf top. so he has this tremendous advantage for mass killing. he can just rain death down upon people. as a commander, what i could be looking at here and targeting is okay, he picked the july fourth parade, why did he pick this particular part of the parade to attack at that particular moment? because a parade is, you know, long. it might be a mile long. so who does he shoot at? we've all been to parades, so there's a group of, you know, the irish firefighters and now there's a group from the church, a group from the high school, another religious denomination, and different organizations. so was he picking a particular organization w we don't know the answer. but why did he pick at that time to shoot? what i could be looking at, why this group? why did he shoot at this group instead of that group?

it might lead us to targeting, to motive, and to his identity. i would say by now, they have some names can of possible people that could be involved. they're getting some tips. these things just impact the community so deeply, that people, you know, will start to try to help the police, and some leads will break. of course, the investigators are centering on who was shot, why them? why was the shooter at this place, at that location, at this home or business, how did he get in. i think there will be a lot of good evidence. we have a rifle that could be traced, maybe to him, maybe to another retail buyer. sometimes we trace those rifles and they're stolen. but we've had luck too, when we say do you have any suspects in the theft of that rifle? they'll say yeah, we do, we have a suspect, we just don't have

enough to arrest him whochlt is your suspect? then they tell us and that's a new lead. all is not lost when a rifle is stolen. but sometimes we can get directly to it from the records. fingerprints will be very important. sometimes when people act like this, they're not that slick of a criminal mind. this guy won't be that sophisticated. he's young, he leaves the rifle. i would think he's going to be identified pretty quickly. the question, is can he be captured before he might kill again? >> jim cavanaugh, stand by for a moment, if you don't mind. in about 15 minutes from now, we are expecting another update from law enforcement there in the highland park area about this investigation and about the search for this shooter, and then an hour after that, 5:00 eastern, we expect to hear from joe biden delivering remarks unrelated for the fourth of july on the south lawn of the white house. i want to bring in nbc's kelly

o'donnell who is there. we don't know if the president will speak about this, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would address what unfolded today when he delivers those remarks. >> i think that's a very good . just based on knowing the rhythms of how this white house and those that have come before would handle these kinds of circumstances. i've been reaching out to white house officials over the last few hours to acquire about the president being briefed and notified about this. this really became news worthy in a national sense around the time the president was traveling back. he spent the weekend with family at camp david, then came back to the white house. as you point out, we will see the president at 5:00 to host a barbecue for the holiday for military families. so there is an opportunity there for the president. this is a subject area that he's not shied away from. he has put his voice many times over to the issue of gun

violence and to try to bring about greater gun safety, with measures that congress has just wrestled with. of course, we know that they have just passed into law, and the president signed it, the measure that would deal with things like expanded background checks for youthful gun buyers. what we know about this particular shooting is the suspect is believed to be 18 to 20, a white male. again, that puts him in the kind of age range that perhaps that legislation would have some sort of impact. again, that's new legislation going forward. but it is something the president has talked about a lot. he advocated for doing more than congress was able to do this time around, which included safety for schools, funding, as well as mental health reinforcement, what's known as the domestic partner loophole, if you have been convicted of a domestic violence incident, you can't have a weapon. a number of elements to the legislation that was recently

passed. but what it does not do is it does not outlaw assault weapons. joe biden, when he was a senator, advocated for that. was a big part of the mid '90s law that did that, that expired about a decade later. so we do expect to get some kind of official comment from the white house, and whether the president uses the opportunity when he's on camera, that could be certainly a way to speak to the nation in the most direct way. that could come up a bit later. the vice president is in los angeles today can on her own schedule. and basically, at this point we're waiting to see what would the president say? typically, as you know, hallie, when there is a space of time like this, you might have the president calling the governor, who is a democratic friend and ally of the president. you might have the president contacting local officials to reach out and offer federal support. that doesn't take the president himself to do it. but often in these kinds of situations, the president would

reach out and have some direct contact. he's also very close to the two democratic senators in the united states senate who represent illinois. so chances are, there are those kinds of communications going on behind the scenes to gather information, to learn more about what may be needed. federal resources are always offered in instances like this, and like all of us, the president and his staff are waiting to find out more will this gunman be apprehended, what are the circumstances. so many questions. there is space for the president to speak on this issue, and we would expect some point soon we would have that. hallie? >> you mentioned kamala harris. i believe she had been previously scheduled to visit chicago on a totally sort of unrelated thing, related to education tomorrow, yeah. >> reporter: yes, and i asked if this will change her schedule and i have not gotten a response. sometimes schedules change

because they don't want to pull resources away. obviously, law enforcement in the whole chicagoland area is going to be involved in this, if there is still a manhunt and so forth. so it would not surprise me if her schedule were to change because of it, to not have a, you know, what we would call to would call a vip movement and a vice president coming to town takes resources. so we'll see how they deal with that and what the host of her, vent would want to do, so some questions remaining there, but there is a chance that we could hear from the vice president on this, as well. a separate team of advisors who can fill her in on what has been learned from the situation room here in the basement in the white house on a holiday, any day of the week, as you well know, hallie, that is operating, gathering information on all of these events that happen that rise from a local level to very quickly a national level and the white house to federal agencies need to be involved. hallie? >> kellie o'donnell at her post

there, thank you. >> our nbc own station in chicago has been speaking with eyewitnesses in highland park including colleen callahan. i want to play that for you. >> maybe a few minutes into the parade the marching band had just passed i heard a subsequent pop, pop, pop, all in quick succession, and i thought to myself, it sounds like gunshot, but there's no way. we're sitting at highland park at 10:00 in the morning, there's no way that's gunshots. it must be fireworks and a few minutes later people started to run past us. i grabbed my daughter at that point and just started running. >> where do you run to? where do you go when something like that happens? >> i know. we were sitting on st. john's. so it was the streets adjoining to where i think the actual shooting happened and i just

started to get off the parade route and there was a big open-air park that was right around the corner, so i just tried to run towards the park and kind of away from the crowd of people, but it really, at that first, in those couple of moments it wasn't clear that something had happened or if the crowd was panicked asking people around me, is this real? did something happen? did you see something? after a few minutes people came by, this is real, get off the street. go home. they haven't found him. >> people started walking down the street back at the neighborhood and as we were there people were listening to police scanners and saying there were shots fired and people were killed. so it was just really terrifying to hear that. >> nbc's rehema ellis has been covering this. as we await another update in about ten minutes or so from law enforcement on the scene. >> one of the things i'm struck by -- i'm struck by so much

today. this mother just talking about, i just grabbed my daughter and just started running. you can imagine the adrenaline racing through her at that moment as she's trying to not only save her life and her child's life and it's important that they both survive. one thing that was mentioned at the last news conference that we had and i want to bring attention to, as well. we talked about the fourth of july parade and oftentimes there will be law and fire and a large police and fire presence at these parades. that was the case today and what we heard from the lake county major crime task force spokesperson, he said that police ran toward the gun fire. so they heard it as well. the gunmen stopped when police got close. so the fact that there were police officers there did not deter this gunman. he had to know that these police were going to be present, but was not deterred by it at all. the deterrence came when they

realized that the police were running in his direction according to what the spokesman of the authorities said. that person became aware, police were moving in his direction and he stopped firing and he ran and now they are continuing to look for him on a massive man hunt is under way as police and people in this area continue to shelter in place, many of them scared to death about what can happen next, hallie? >> to you to our final thoughts before a quick break. >> well, i'm very confident that law enforcement will apprehend this individual. often mass shootings such as this, the perpetrator will leak information in the days and hours leading up to the event. everyone should be vigilant. clearly, if anyone is at that location has any video, photos, they should do as police ask and forward that to those authorities to look through. it's a sad day. it's supposed to be a day of celebration and many people are now mourning loss and people who

were injured and so once again, no -- no particular location is safe from these mass shootings. 80% of mass shootings are accomplished by individuals who have no criminal background the forensics are difficult, but i am confident they will apprehend. >> i want to thank donell, and rehema ellis. the man hunt for a suspected shooter who used a high-powered rifle who killed six people and hurt two dozen others and are had the want in in serious ear critical condition as we speak this hour. a massive police presence now in the suburbs of chicago, in highland park and in that area looking for this person, more than 100 members of law enforcement on the local, state and federal level all resources

aimed at this individual who opened fire at a fourth of july parade this morning there at highland park. something that police are calling very random and very intentional. we expect another police update here in just about the next six minutes or so, you'll watch it here on msnbc. appreciate you being with us. we'll see you tomorrow. c. appreciate you being with us we'll see you tomorrow boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. ♪ ♪ boost® high protein also has aleve x.ents its revolutionary rollerball design delivers fast, powerful, long-lasting pain relief. aleve it, and see what's possible. covid-19. some people get it, and some people can get it bad. and for those who do get it bad, it may be because they have a high-risk factor - such as heart disease, diabetes, being overweight,

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nicole wallace. it is 4:00 in new york, 3:00 p.m in the chicago area, where a gunman killed six people in the fourth of july parade. shots rang out sending people running for their lives. 24 people have been transferred to local hospitals. they canceled independence day celebrations and authorities urging everyone to stay indoors as the shooter is still at large and believed to be armed and dangerous. police describe the suspect as a white male between the ages of 18 and 20, left behind what was described as a high-powered rifle. the deputy chief of the lake county sheriff's office described the shooting as, quote, completely random as well as parade participants. a doctor who was at the parade and stayed on the scene to help