tv Deadline White House MSNBC July 4, 2022 10:00pm-12:00am PDT
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we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. we did win this election. (audience cheering) we want all voting to stop. we don't want them to find any ballots at four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list, okay? (crowd cheering) ♪ reporter: millions of votes still being counted, but the legal battle already under way. reporter: president trump and other republicans have filed more than thirty election fraud lawsuits, and judges keep throwing them out for lack of evidence. ♪ reporter: the president and his allies are casting doubt on the integrity of the election itself, fueling unfounded conspiracy theories of cheating and fraud- jamie raskin: the president is trying to stop the counting of tens of millions of ballots, and that obviously is an outrageous assault on democracy itself.
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we must stand by the popular vote and we must stand by the popular vote as it translates through our complicated electoral college system. there were all these overtures to try to overturn popular votes, and he pretty much got rebuffed at every turn. i mean basically all of the courts rejected the claim that there had been any kind of corruption or any kind of fraud in the election. ♪ reporter: the moment the entire country has been waiting for after a very close race, joe biden has won the keystone state, pennsylvania, and its 20 electoral votes. reporter: and that means that former vice president, joe biden, has been elected president of the united states. ♪ ♪
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jamie raskin: it was an emotional thing when biden was declared the winner. there were huge crowds all over the country out celebrating. huge crowds, millions of people took to the streets to celebrate and sing and dance and it was wild, it was just an amazing feeling. ♪ it was the fall of an authoritarian, at least for the time being. and it felt like the redemption of democracy. i'm in a great mood. i'm in a great mood. it's all over, you know? (helicopters whirring) crowd: stop the steal. stop the steal. stop the steal. stop the steal. stop the steal. reporter: president trump is still insisting that he won the election, which of course, he did not, and that the election was somehow marred by massive fraud.
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it was not. reporter: the president suffered the latest in a nearly unbroken string of legal defeats. reporter: president trump's supporters, undeterred with some, including members of the far right extremist group, the proud boys, rallying to support him this weekend in washington. crowd: fuck antifa. man: fuck antifa. crowd: fuck antifa. man: fuck antifa. jamie raskin: there were two million maga marches after the election. crowd: america first. america first. america first. america first. jamie raskin: most members of congress, certainly most democrats, paid no attention at all to them because the election was over. (crowd shouting) it turned out that those marches were very important, because trump was able to attract to washington that hard core element that was willing to engage in violence. (crowd shouting) crowd: stop the steal. stop the steal. jamie raskin: we obviously didn't take seriously enough an organized attack on the u.s. government
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and on our constitution and on our election. man: we love trump. we love trump. crowd: we love trump. we love trump. tommy raskin: dad? jamie raskin: yes? tommy raskin: do you care if i jump off shortly thereafter? jamie raskin: i think that's what everybody's going to do, they're going to ask their questions and then get out of town. yeah, that's cool. aaron: thank you all so much for joining us. now, without further ado, i will give it over to congressman raskin, as i know time is limited. jamie raskin: thank you guys all for indulging me my birthday fantasy for this year. we came up with it on thursday. you know how much i love parties and i was missing everybody. and so i thought, okay, we can try to have a little contest here and see if i can answer 58 questions in 58 minutes, one minute per question. and it begins with tommy raskin. tommy raskin: who's your favorite tv villain? jamie raskin: my favorite tv villain, villains, are the joker, the riddler and william barr,
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the purported attorney general. thank you, love you, tommy raskin. next question comes from mark medish. how would your favorite french philosopher montaigne analyze the vices of donald trump? ah! clearly cruelty is the heart of donald trump's vicious system, and all of the other vices flow right out of cruelty. i don't know if they're ever gonna wake up and accept those election results. i hope that it doesn't lead to violence in the country. i really hope that people, that they don't start doing really crazy things. i love the fact that we survived this nightmare. it was really, really hard and difficult, and it continues with covid-19 to be so difficult for our people, but we have survived through it all, through the neo-nazis marching, we have survived through the corruption, we have survived through the ukraine shake-down, we are still here!
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(air whooshing) (phone ringing) (sighs) jamie raskin: hmmm flynn: hi, congressman. jamie raskin: forgive me, i have had an insane day- flynn: no, no worries at all. jamie raskin: i'm sorry. flynn: i appreciated that you even found the time to chat, i really do appreciate it. jamie raskin: it's my pleasure. you wanted to talk about tombo, right? about tommy? flynn: really just kind of everything that you've been going through this week. ♪ well, our family suffered a terrible catastrophe on the last day of 2020.
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ummm, but my dear boy is very, very close to our hearts and on our minds, and we've been deluged with emails and food and love and messages from around the world. and in truth, i haven't been sleeping a lot since since we've been without tommy. flynn: yeah. ♪ jamie raskin: tommy had been fighting depression for several years. i mean, normally he was just the happiest, most ebullient energetic person you could ever hope to meet. but he was suffering from depression, and it was serious.
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the last night i got to spend with him, we had dinner together. we played some boggle, which was his big game and we watched some stuff on tv and we talked about going for a hike the next day. i gave him a hug goodnight, told him i loved him. he told me he loved me. and that was the last time i saw him alive. gay stolberg: how are you coping? jamie raskin: well, tommy left us a farewell note where he said, "please forgive me. my illness won today. "look after each other, the animals, and the global poor, all my love tommy." and i'll spend the rest of my life
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trying to live up to that note. gay stolberg: well, i assume you forgave him. jamie raskin: oh, but of course, i mean, and i don't want to reveal the contents, but i left a note for him too when we buried him. and of course, i mean, what else could i do? he's my son, and he was enduring unimaginable suffering and we miss him every minute of every day. and we want him back. but the only thing that enables me to sleep at night is knowing that he is no longer suffering and in pain. so we have the love, we have the hope and the ideas, and we are hanging on real tightly to his spirit
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and his soul. i mean tommy was a person who loved the world and he loved democracy. and he loved humanity and all living things. and so... i feel like i honor him by doing the work that he'd be proud of. (crowd cheering) crowd: usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa. president trump: i want to thank you very much. hello, georgia, by the way, there's no way we lost georgia. there's no way. that was a rigged election. and they're not taking this white house. we're gonna fight like hell, i'll tell you right now. (crowd cheering)
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we will never give in, we will never give up, we will never back down, we will never, ever surrender. (crowd cheering) crowd: fight for trump. fight for trump. fight for trump. president trump: and i hope mike pence comes through for us, i have to tell ya. he's a great guy. of course if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. nah, mike is a smart man, and you watch what happens over the next couple of weeks. you watch what's going to come out. watch what's going to be revealed. you watch. (crowd cheering) crowd: four more years, four more years, four more years... i love all types of dancing... salsa, and even belly dancing! i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise, and nothing worked. there was just kinda this stubborn area on my stomach.
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♪ reporter: in just a few hours congress will be convening to certify the results of the electoral college and confirm president-elect joe biden's victory. reporter: crowds are already gathering for a pro-trump rally that the president says he will speak at. as many as 30,000 people expected- reporter: this is a day that happens every 4 years that usually no one pays attention to, but this year all eyes are on capitol hill. reporter: dozens of house and senate republicans
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are going to object to the certification of millions of legally cast votes. reporter: still the president is ramping up pressure on vice president pence to flip the outcome, even as pence himself reportedly told the president that he does not have that power. trump allies tell nbc news, they believe he will keep disputing the results, what allies say the president is increasingly desperate. ♪ (gavel bangs) irving: madam speaker! the vice president and the united states senate! (all clapping) jamie raskin: it was the day after we had tommy's funeral, so it was a very tender, raw time, and our youngest daughter, tabitha, said, "daddy, don't go. i want you to stay home." and i said, i have to go in because this is a constitutional responsibility.
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so i invited tabitha instead to come with me. madam speaker, i wanna thank you first, and all my dear beloved colleagues for your love and tenderness which my family and i will never forget. (all clapping) i felt very disoriented, but i was overwhelmed by the love of my colleagues and i entertained this completely fantastical thought that sympathy about tommy would somehow prevent any further division or polarization on that day. and of course, that was just a pipe dream. we are not here, madam speaker, to vote for the candidate we want. we are here to recognize the candidate
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the people actually voted for in the states. after i spoke, tabitha went to an office nearby. i started getting texts from constituents and people all over the country and family members saying, are you okay? and at that point i thought everything was still outside. (banging) mcgovern: the house will be in order. okay. (men shouting) jamie raskin: we begin to hear a terrible ruckus. (doors slamming) speaker pelosi was quickly hustled off the floor. (members chattering) the new chaplain gave a prayer, and then we started hearing people trying to barrel into the door. (doors banging) (members chattering) maybe 30 feet away from where i sat. man: please be advised there are masks under your seats... jamie raskin: we were told to get out our gas masks,
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which most of us didn't even know existed. everyone was terrified. woman: they broke the glass. every body stay down, get down. (distant people shouting) you could hear people shouting, yelling, "hang mike pence." you could hear people screaming, "where's nancy?" and then capitol police officers came running in with their guns drawn. (distant people shouting) i was very frightened to be away from my tabitha and i kept calling my chief of staff, julie, begging them to keep the door locked and barricaded. they ended up hiding under a desk as people pounded on the door. (doors banging) (people chattering) and as we were evacuated out, you could see complete mayhem. ♪ (people chattering)
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i was really terrified. i just had no idea that the capitol could actually be overrun like that. ♪ man: where the fuck are they? jamie raskin: finally, we were escorted to safety to one of the committee rooms. ♪ every single member that i've spoken to is absolutely determined to have us complete the counting of electoral college votes. the american people have spoken. the election is over. american constitutional democracy will prevail. we have no choice. ♪ we were absolutely resolved that we would not allow this to be a permanent break. if we actually let a day go by or two days go by, who knows what could have taken place? the president might have declared martial law. everything could have been lost at that point.
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woman: get him the fuck out of here before he starts more shit. (crowd yelling indistinctly) jamie raskin: we are gonna go forward. if we've got to stay here all night, we're gonna go forward if we've got to stay here all day tomorrow, we're gonna go forward and the next day. we are going to complete the counting of the electoral college votes, as called for by the constitution of the united states. ♪ ♪ limu emu ♪ and doug. [power-drill noises] alright, limu, give me a socket wrench, pliers, and a phone open to libertymutual.com they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need... and you could even save $652 when you switch. ok, i need a crowbar. and a blowtorch. [teddy bear squeaks] [doug sighs] limu, call a mechanic. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition
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jamie raskin: the whole point of trump trying to stop the steal was obstructing the counting of electoral college votes. vice president pence: the joint session of congress to count the electoral vote will resume. jamie raskin: in our kind of creaky, antiquated electoral college system, this step is really the essential step. it is what we call the peaceful transfer of power, when congress formally declares who the winner is. vice president pence: the votes for president of the united states are as follows, joseph r. biden jr. of the state of delaware has received 306 votes. donald j. trump of the state of florida
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has received 232 votes. (members clapping) ♪ (truck beeping) ♪ ♪ hayes: as the fog of mayhem dissipates, the full picture of the terror, the crisis that took place in the nation's capital on wednesday is coming into focus. there is a death toll, which now stands at five. reporter: the fbi has identified at least 200 suspects and is looking for 100s more. ♪ ♪
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reporter: for the second time in 13 months, the house of representatives has voted to impeach president donald trump. reporter: a single article of impeachment accusing the president of incitement of insurrection in his remarks before last week's riots began. reporter: house speaker nancy pelosi has just announced the nine house impeachment managers who will function as the prosecutors of donald trump in that trial. the lead prosecutor will be former constitutional law professor congressman jamie raskin. jamie raskin: i was drowning in agony and grief at the time. i did not know whether i would be able to do anything again of meaning or substance in my life after losing tommy. that's why i say that pelosi threw me a lifeline in a way
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because, i mean, she basically said, we need you. ♪ (truck engines idling) ♪ reporter: washington is ramping up an almost unprecedented security operation involving the biggest national guard deployment in the capitol's history. reporter: police and the fbi continue to warn of violent right wing extremist plots. man: there are now three plots that we've been briefed on to attack lawmakers and assassinate them potentially so we are taking those threats extremely seriously. jamie raskin: the threats are crazy now, not just against democrats, but against republicans, especially against republicans who defected from trump.
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♪ i wasn't afraid of anything at that point. my state of mind was essentially that the very worst thing that could ever happen had just happened. ♪ announcer: ladies and gentlemen, the president-elect of the united states (crowd cheering) jamie raskin: but tabitha said, "we just lost tommy, "and we can't lose you and it's a dangerous environment out there." chief justice roberts: please raise your right hand and repeat after me. jamie raskin: and so, we were actually up in pennsylvania, and we watched the inauguration, of course, and i was so proud. president biden: so help me god. jamie raskin: to me that was just a great moment in our history to see that happen after everything we'd been through. ♪ (tabitha chuckles) jamie raskin: this is so exciting. (crowd clapping) president biden: my distinguished guests, my fellow americans, this is america's day.
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this is democracy's day. today we celebrate the triumph not of a candidate, but of a cause, the cause of democracy. the will of the people has been heard and the will of the people has been heeded. we've learned again that democracy is precious. democracy is fragile. and at this hour, my friends, democracy has prevailed. (crowd cheering) jamie raskin: it's a big deal when you see a peaceful transfer of power. we've come to take it for granted. but if you don't have a peaceful transfer of power, you don't have democracy. president biden: here we stand in the shadow of the capitol dome jamie raskin: who's that from? sarah bloom raskin: tommy's teacher, mrs. webb. jamie raskin: oh, i read that one. president biden: we've endured. we prevailed. here we stand looking out at a great mall,
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jamie raskin: after we lost tommy, we got thousands and thousands of letters. a lot of them were coming from people who knew tommy or people who were moved by tommy's poetry. it was just an overwhelming and affecting thing. (jamie sighs) president biden: in my first act as president, i'd like to ask you to join me in a moment of silent prayer to remember all those who we lost in this past year to the pandemic. we will honor them by becoming the people and the nation we know can and should be. ♪ jamie raskin: we were not the only family in that god awful year to lose a family member. if you add up covid-19, opioid deaths, gun violence,
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♪ jamie raskin: the country is still just trying to absorb the emotional impact of events that brought us right up to the edge of a real coup in america. ♪ we can't have healing before we have an honest reckoning. and this president must be held accountable for the role he has played. clerk: here ye, hear ye, hear ye. all persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment, while the house of representatives is exhibiting to the senate of the united states, an article of impeachment against donald john trump, former president of the united states. ♪ hayes: the second impeachment of donald trump
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is now formally in the hands of the u.s. senate. the first president to be impeached twice also becomes the first ex-president to face an impeachment trial. ♪ reporter: good morning. all eyes on washington today and the start of former president trump's second impeachment trial. ♪ reporter: the lead impeachment manager, congressman jamie raskin, has been holding daily meetings with the rest of the managers, and they want to incorporate visual elements as much as they can. jamie raskin: thank you very much, thank you. man: thank you for all you do. jamie raskin: thank you so much. have a great day you guys. sarah b? sarah bloom raskin: yeah. jamie raskin: i just thought of something i wanted to say. i just want to make sure that everybody is together when it happens because there is some very disturbing video images
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that are coming. so i don't want anybody watching alone. carter: oh gosh, that's ominous. jamie raskin: well, america needs to know. (footsteps pattering) i woke up with henry the 5th on my mind. all things are ready if our minds be so. we're gonna pass lincoln's cottage on the way down too. carter: jamie, what's the best piece of advice you've been given in the last 24 hours? jamie raskin: a senator sent me a note reminding me that abraham lincoln, who i always quote,
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is a son of kentucky. and i thought that was a really deep point, you know? (both laughing) so i'm gonna maybe slip that in. you know the difficult part is we have to try to condense this huge volume of facts telling the story of the incitement to the attack, the attack, the harm, the injury, everything that happened. they're just gonna get up and say, the senate can't hear the trial. it's a totally phony argument. (car engine revving) ♪ ♪ goodbye, donnie ♪ ♪ well, goodbye, donnie ♪
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♪ it's so nice ♪ ♪ you'll soon be right ♪ ♪ where you belong ♪ ♪ writing memoirs, donnie ♪ ♪ behind bars, donnie ♪ reporter: about the jurisdictional issue about the constitutionality of trying a former president. the house managers are going to argue that yes, there is jurisdiction, and they're going to cite lots of constitutional scholarship, and the president's lawyers are going to say, no, there's no jurisdiction. let's listen. jamie raskin: my name is jamie raskin. because i have been a professor of constitutional law for three decades, i know there are a lot of people who are dreading endless lectures about the federalist papers here. please breathe easy, okay. i remember well w.h. auden's line that a professor is someone who speaks while other people are sleeping. you will not be hearing extended lectures from me because our case is based on cold, hard facts.
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it's all about the facts. woman: oh, here they go with the video. president trump: we will stop the steal. (crowd cheering) we won this election, and we won it by a landslide. this was not a close election. and after this we're gonna walk down, and i'll be there with you, we're going to walk down... (crowd cheering) we're gonna walk down to the capitol. crowd: yeah. let's take the capitol. man: take it. man: take the capitol. man: we are going to the capitol, where our problems are. it's that direction. crowd: usa, usa, usa! (crowd shouting indistinctly) president trump: we fight, and we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell,
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you're not gonna have a country anymore. (crowd shouting) crowd: fight for trump! fight for trump! (crowd shouting) (banging) (crowd shouting) crowd: stop the steal! stop the steal! stop the steal! man: there's a fucking million of us out there, and we are listening to trump, your boss. crowd: treason! treason! (banging) (crowd shouting) (officer screaming) jamie raskin: remember, the senators and the members of congress didn't see what was happening outside the building. (crowd shouting)
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i think everybody was walking around with the assumption that if people tried to overpower capitol officers who were protecting the congress of the united states, those people would be shot on sight. (crowd shouting) we didn't realize that there were multiple breaches and a constant stream of people entering the building. man: that's what we fucking need to have 30,000 guns up here. man: next trip. crowd: no trump, no peace! no trump, no peace! no trump, no peace! (crowd shouting) crowd: usa, usa, usa! (crowd shouting) jamie raskin: people died that day. officers ended up with head damage and brain damage. people's eyes were gouged.
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"the first senate trial seemed abstract. the second is a visceral reckoning." i think people are into it. woman: oh, my god. jamie raskin: i think today is gonna be spellbinding when we start to tell them the story. schiff tweeted out (chuckles) that representative raskin's emotional appeal moved anyone not made of stone. so, i probably should have reached at least maybe half the senate, you know. (both laughing) julie: hello? i'm sitting right next to him. biden wants to talk to you. ♪ jamie raskin: hello? oh, mr. president. ♪
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voltaire said, "anyone who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." president trump declared his conduct totally appropriate, so if he gets back into office and it happens again, we'll have no one to blame but ourselves. (papers rattling) i was glad i was able to get voltaire in there yesterday. you know, anybody who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. tabitha raskin: oh, yeah. jamie raskin: and i believe that. well, if you had to pick one aphorism to characterize the trump administration, it would probably be that one, you know, because it was just inevitable where it was gonna go. tabitha raskin: yeah. jamie raskin: and the guy had his inauguration
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and started talking about american carnage. it was just a projection of his career, his destiny. it looks good. you want some cinnamon? tabitha raskin: yeah, i need cinnamon. i need- jamie raskin: i'll find you some cinnamon. jamie raskin: when officer hodges was, you know, caught in the door and he was just howling, it was like torture, i did see mitch crying and kind of wiping away tears. tabitha raskin: here's the cinnamon jamie raskin: but the republicans, man, they're a tough nut to crack, let me tell ya. you know, people were saying to me, "how are you going to get 67 votes?" i said, i'm not looking for 67 votes, i'm looking for 100 votes. like i'm looking for just like a major breakthrough in public opinion in the senate, where people say this cannot be america, we cannot have a violence-inciting, pro-insurrection demagogue constantly threatening our democracy.
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i mean, there's 100s of millions of people in the country. anybody could be president. why do we have to go back to him after he's committed high crimes and misdemeanors against the country? so, we'll see. schumer: the senate is now ready to vote on the article of impeachment. clerk: mr. mcconnell? mcconnell: not guilty. clerk: mr. mcconnell, not guilty. ♪ reporter: it's over. twice tried, twice acquitted. reporter: a majority of senators, including seven republicans, voted to convict former president trump. but it was not enough. leahy: the senate, having tried donald john trump, former president of the united states, by one article of impeachment... jamie raskin: i've had every possible emotion about it. i think i was crestfallen at the moment i first heard it. leahy: the acting sergeant at arms will escort the house managers out of the senate chamber. jamie raskin: i really thought we might have a 100 to zero verdict. i really thought that we had created such an overwhelming cascade of facts
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that the wiser republicans might say, this is our chance to save our party, this is our chance to get out from under the thumb of donald trump. and seven of them did the right thing. we needed 10 more. and so we might see a replay in 2024 of the 2020 election. (crowd chattering) i think we convicted him in the court of public opinion, and i think we convicted him in the eyes of history. so he's been turned into a pariah, i think, in national politics, and yet trump has tightened his control over the republican party. right now you've got majorities of republicans in both houses who are saying that essentially they're willing to go along with whatever donald trump says. that wouldn't be a problem for us if we just had majority rule in america.
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but in the gop, they're manipulating every anti-democratic lever of power there is in order to entrench minority rule against the majority. that's the struggle in the country today. ♪ we have our work cut out for us. we have to organize the majority to be politically engaged and active and to register to vote and to vote and not to allow republicans to steal elections. ♪ the future of democracy has not been written yet, and it's up to us. ♪ i want to thank all of you for coming and sharing our grief and sharing our joy
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about the life of tommy bloom raskin. ♪ hi phoebes. hi graeme. women: how are you. jamie raskin: so good to see you guys. ♪ how are you guys. how are you guys. woman: hi. jamie raskin: hi beautiful. ♪ woman: hi (woman moans) ♪ jamie raskin: i have lost my son, i've lost something so fundamental, so elemental in my life, i'm not sure at times that i even recognize the world. ♪ (jamie sighs) a little part of each of us died with him that day. in my case it was the belief that everything would have to be all right in the end. that the beautiful and the true would have to triumph over all the evil and the chaos.
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i've lost that sense of absolute inevitability in happily ever after. ♪ but if part of us died with tommy, a big part and a far more... (sobs) important part of tommy lives on with each of us. it is the sense that what matters is the people in our lives, their feelings and their experiences, and that it is possible, it is advisable, it is right to design your life around practicing the love of other people. your love can become the engine of a quest for justice. ♪ ♪
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outside the wall, i kept on going all the way to the ocean. i was like that katie doesn't know what offenses, he doesn't know that those two countries and two sides doesn't know about that border so i go back and i see him standing in the crib looking around. and then i left. and i look around,, down the
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little hill like up to the wall, it's nothing is just grass and garbage in their. so i'm like okay whose land is this? so i ask every neighbor, excuse me sir, do you know who's land is? that all right, that's all i need to hear. they do know who's lionesses? they wouldn't even open the door. so what do you do? my only option was, is to build it there. they will deliver to whatever address. so, i started digging the ground. and i was like all right, we went out the risk for me as a french person in mexico dig in the ground next to the border? i'm not digging a hole under, i'm just flattening it. so maybe the mexicans will come first and say, hey man, you can't do that here, are you crazy? i'll be like, oh, i'm so sorry. one day,, two, days, three days nobody says anything. and we look at the ground. i couldn't believe it i was like with the flock, who is in
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charge here? so then i go to a place with scaffolding. that's like if you pay, we don't ask questions. it's bigger than the wall, it's three times the size of the wall. let's say the border patrol will stop us you. i come with my team, and we pace that kit. and then i say, maybe that's where i will lose everything, because all the patrol will start saying -- we should do something about it.
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claude [speaking spanish] in one day we pasted the entire structure. as like okay let's go here. i passed back on the other side, and stumbled on those two border patrols just looking at the kid. i put on the internet, like hey, whoever wants to go see that kid, here's a location. that's all he said. one thing -- people go see, that let's go to take a selfie in front of that.
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that's where my idea stopped. people go and take photos, so they'll see the wall. it's the same land, but on each side. and what happened is something i haven't planned. people exchanging their phones, through the wall, to take photos of each other. connecting, talking, how are you? the border patrol say, they could be passing drugs or weapons, let's go arrest those people. after three weeks, no one got arrested. how did people get arrested for passing stuff through the wall?
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organize a table that would go through the wall. we built the table, 36 feet on each side. it would block the road a little bit, on the u.s. side, so the table would end up on the road. a few days later, we got a letter from the border patrol, saying that they strongly recommend keeping the table on the mexican side only. we continued, but we had to improvise another way of putting the table on the u.s. side. and then we invited people to come, and see it for the last time. well on the mexican side, all started singing and we started making food. there is no way down at the, side because we couldn't make the table. >> i'm from germany, wow,
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amazing. >> as soon as people would come to take photos we'd be like, hey, can you stay a little bit longer? after like an, hour an hour and a half, it was maybe 20 to 30 people. and we passed them guitar, and we're like okay maybe when we have a couple of minutes, let's go fast. >> the table, on the mexican side, and continued on the u.s. side. one music band, and two sides. half of the ban was in mexico, that they have as in the u.s.. but it was in the same and plane to say music. we would pass them illegal tacos for the wall. i'm, thinking we will get arrested in five minutes. let's just pretend we're eating, and take a photo.
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>> everybody gather around the table, we are going to get -- you're ready? five -- claude [speaking spanish] of we thought these would last two minutes. we would put it up, take a, photo and that's what we have to take everything off in five minutes. we've, 15 20, 30, we are still eating. just a nice lunch with music, and for a moment we really forgot there is a war.
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this is the eye of a woman who is a dreamer. a juror is someone who has come to the united states when she was very little. with their parents but illegally. her name is mayra, i told her not to come because there's a big chance will get arrested. but not only did she come, she came with her mother. >> we had very few months left, being able to be this brave, and comes to the border. >> it's only an hour and a half later the border patrol came. everybody got scared, i told them to send them over to me, i was on the safe side in mexico anyway. i was not even trying to justify myself and said look, i know, i know. turns out, they were watching us the whole time, but it had decided to make it happen.
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>> thank you. >> a chinese stay at the mexican border, how is that? >> when in talks with mira, when she came back i never thought should be talking with an officer. he said he also had family on the side, and they were talking. that made me realize that i can go places, beyond rules and borders, maybe because not art is not part of any organization. it's not part of the state, it's something that we own, we the people own. and that's why go so far. that little kid saying, hey, i'm here, i exist. >> i future, a better future, that's what it means for me.
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we're now looking down in front of you, it's perfect. >> nice, you certainly as a kid don't think this, that you have life in prison as a kid, doing the things we've done. there's a lot of offensive woes through her, you position, but it does more than that, it destroys you are in our families. >> you are a graffiti artist before? that's funny, because i started off in that little lifestyle.
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the only difference is that my transition went a different way after. >> 14 years you had no human contact. >> no, just when they cough you have been tequila. >> i still can't really believe these human cages. it's insane. >> well here it gets free in these human cages. we hope these images will go around the world, and they will say, who's that person? and when you take the image and put the hand on the image you can hear the story right away. you can have an app like this that we can click on, and you can hear the stories of the people. >> my name is kevin, i was a gang member. i've put my whole life in the moment, and in focus. really, i was just trying to keep up with these other people. i knew that this wasn't what i wanted, but i was scared. i'm not the person that you see.
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>> how do you see this sort of loving person with this on my face, and i'm trying to explain what it was, it is a present thing, and it's not really how i perceive other people, you know? it made me feel really ashamed. >> i'm not just a monster that society sees me as, i'm a person, i'm a man, i'm a human. >> hello to the world i'm richard. >> my name is nicholas. >> but i was chris.
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the biggest mountains we have to cross our within ourselves, they're not in front of us. when i see a guy with a swastika on his face, it's not like an instant herald of fear. but when, shaving the guy with a swastika walked up i was like, wow, if i don't ask him now, when in my life but i have the opportunity to ask? hey man, can i ask you, with the focus this? you know? of course, i have fear. i have boundaries. and i work every day, it pushes me to fight this.
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>> the guys claim the yard yesterday, they clean the floors, they cleaned up the tear gas, it's hard to imagine this final attempt. >> that's 11 years work. >> you know, i was raised, here i never really imagined that you can get out and do something they are never really gonna believe. the more we think that, the more we're gonna be able to obtain those dreams. people want to see this from way up there. >> we can see it, we want to be that big from way up there. and it doesn't take much. just a little hope, a little effort. >> and some paper. >> and some paper.
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>> that's the crew, right there. pizza time, pizza. so i'm back in here, oh my god, look at these shadows, stand this way with kevin. >> how is it going? >> good, and you? i put the photo i took a view, you know? on social media. and people were like, oh, i think people were touched by your photo because of the depth in your, eyes and what you share, and conflicted because of your tattoo. >> i understand that the symbols eyewear represent hate to many people, some people are automatically gonna have a conflict with that. when we come in here, were forced to fight for our lives against other races, i know it causes a lot of other heard in other people's lives, i know if i could right, now i'd remove it, you know damian? >> so if i find someone who helps remove it. >> let's do it. >> so, if anyone is out there
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looking for someone who can help to remove. this >> believes, i need it. >> my buddy rich over there, look at him smiling. >> i love this bill guy right here, you have a good time, hanging out. this is something in my 25 years of being busted and cdc, i never thought i'd ever see. a collective group of individuals just coming together for one purpose. you've got mexicans working with whites and blacks it's rare in the prison system for us. [interpreter] to break that mold is big. >> it just shows everybody is willing to put all the hate and negativity behind us, and work together with the staff and everybody, for a common goal, you know me?
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♪ ♪ ♪ >> that's incredible. >> congrats, everybody. [applause] >> you know, what are you doing? >> oh, i'm trying to keep my eye. >> i don't want to take it off, i want to leave it there. i want to stay. >> it felt like something free, right? i think that's what art is, it's a process. it wasn't just the picture, --
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la bastille. boom! people always think graffiti just started, but look at this. those are old graffiti, from 1980, 1846, 1923. there's tons of people who want to exist and express, and be seen and be remembered. i relate to that. >> growing up in the projects, outside of paris, i was only doing graffiti when i can. rooftops. it's not that i had to escape by the window. my parents were sleeping on the couch in the living room. as a child of immigrants, i come from a family that never had a voice. i feel like i'm living -- no one else would care.
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one day, i was at a train station in paris, waiting for my friend and he was late. at some point, i see a bag that was there. after two, three trains, the bag was still there. so i opened it and i see a camera. i took it. i have that idea of documenting the adventures. i was documenting everything. i was documenting climbing the roofs, i was documenting those night experiences. i loved it.
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i would just make photocopies of them and give it to people. then i was like, i have the photocopies and hand, i could just place one on the wall. my thought is really small, so you did not really notice them. i started framing those photos. i started noticing that people in suits and ties would stop and look at them. if people don't like, it they can pay on, it scratches, take it down. but if what you do creates reactions, even if you will hate it, i'm happy because it makes conversation [speaking foreign language]
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whole world was paris. and then i met ashley, and he took me to a place have never seen before. -- collective of artists that was already making art, graffiti. i was pacing in filming. we had that similar vibe and we jailed right away. one day, he took me to his neighborhood. it's a project, like mine. but, i've never seen a neighborhood like that. it was completely abandoned. [speaking foreign language] [noise]
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[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> -- you could be in paris clarity quickly, but still in the countryside. the train was going to run there. but the train never came. neither did the highway. the real estate developers all left, and families that had less money came instead. the city said, we have nothing to do with this.
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that's one really drove people crazy. were the forgotten of the forgotten. [speaking foreign language] >> at that time, we were shooting the short film, and asked -- ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i was just pacing in his neighborhood. someone said, why don't you take our photo. boom, i take a photo. everybody looks at it and says,
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you had a gun? we are talking about, we were there, it's a camera. >> oh yeah, it's a camera. >> i was just a whole day of taking photos. ♪ ♪ ♪ we had all those photos, but it is nowhere to do with them. there were all those buildings. ice covered in buildings. let's just do it. [speaking foreign language] [speaking french] we didn't want to guess the
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>> they destroyed the last building where i grew up to rebuild smaller buildings but. these places for us a seat of creation. now, we are running a school across the street from it. it is not a school to teach you how to become a good photographer or painter, but how to survive as an artist. it is totally different. >> [speaking french] >> surrounding yourself that come from different backgrounds, different stories, different pass, that is what norris does. you should check out days and see where you can take from it. >> [speaking french] [applause] >> [speaking french]
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