live in highland park, illinois, we just received stunning new information about the man believed to be behind the deadly shooting at yesterday's parade. now according to police they believe robert primo the man arrested miles from the scene preplanned the attack for weeks. he is suspected of taking a high power rifle to the roof and firing 70 rounds at random apparently. [ gun fire ] >> here's what we always just learned. once done firing primo put on a disguise to escape the scene. here's what police said about that. >> during the the attack primo

was dressed in women's clothing and investigators do believe he did this to conceal the tattoos and the identity and help him in the escape with the other people who were fleeing the chaos. >> after escaping in his mother's car that man robert primo tracked to lake forest and arrested. he is in custody but not charged. he fits a disturbingly pattern. police say they still don't know why the gunman opened fire on the parade but learning more about the six people killed. among them a 76-year-old grandfather shot three times while sitting in the wheelchair. among the 30 wounded several children, victims as young as 8, as old as 85. while it was the deadliest massacre in highland park this

is far from the only shooting on the fourth of july. at least three dozen people shot and killed across the country yesterday. three dozen in mass shootings in at least seven cities leading to this question. is there some way to balance the right to bear arms with the freedom to live without fear of being gunned down in a school, a church or even as you can see behind me on the streets with a parade. now police cars, you can see the yellow tape and just down in that direction about a block is the roof top where the gunman opened fire. how many more americans will we lose on independence day nonetheless? reopened a debate of banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. >> if you are angry today, be angry. i'm furious. i'm furious because it doesn't

have to be this way and yet we as a nation, well, we continue to allow this to happen. >> there is no reason for a person to own a military assault weapon. it is a killing machine. >> last time i heard a weapon with that capacity firing that rapidly on a fourth of july was iraq. >> one more question and then talking about this later on in the program. how much of a burden are children supposed to bear from the decisions of adults they expect to protect them? consider the 19 innocent children gunneded down in uvalde, texas or those that carry the emotional scars of running for their lives in gun fire. take for example the story of a young boy maybe 7 helping another even as chaos unfolding around them. >> he said my name is blake and

the other little boy said, blake, run, run. he grabbed blake's hand and joined up with the family and the family took blake to safety. >> so we have a lot to talk about. here with me lin sweet for the chicago sun times who happened to be here. she witnessed the shooting firsthand. also with us nbc's shaq brewster. ali vitale on capitol hill and ben rhodes. shaq, we got a lot of information in that press conference just about 24 hours in. what else did we learn? >> how the suspect escaped. yesterday we knew that there were several locations where you saw high velocity of law enforcement. a block from where the shooting took place. they would be here.

we saw armored vehicles. this area was on lockdown. there's a second location at the suspect's home or the person of interest or the person authorities say is responsible for the shooting. at the home of the parents is an act i scene and then 15 minutes from where we're standing and where he was captured and see the video of the police pulling him over, we know that there was a rifle in that vehicle. i know our colleague ben collins reported on the online activity of the suspect and suggested he wanted a shootout at the end so it's an idea of the three different areas we saw police activity yesterday and he used the chaos that he used by the shooting. he walked off amid the crowd when disguise. perhaps a wig or long hair and women's clothing and escape

after the shooting. information we learned. he is not 22. he is 21 year old. a clarification from yesterday. a lot of information that will be relevant. >> lin, i should say we worked together in columbine and covered an awful lot of stuff then and now that's like this. tell me as somebody whose family lives just blocks away and as someone who is decades into reporting, what sticks out to you right now? >> so i started reporting from a distance on gun violence with the 1999 columbine slayings but always from a distance. i said this at the end of my column today this is the first time i write about killing that i was at. and that does come home. one thing i want to point out that i think is a takeaway and

this happened often with the perpetrator. he thought he must have been so clever wearing women's clothing but he might as well have left the wallet with the driver's license in it because he left the weapon right at the scene of the crime. the weapon had a serial number in it. might as well have put out the picture and photo i.d. because that was at the scene of the crime and spent cartridges which aren't as telltale but i applaud the law enforcement authorities who are still out here scouring this crime scene. fbi agents, multiple law enforcement agencies are here but for whatever the motive of this man that brought him to this horrible point in his life he was found because he did something incredibly revealing that let him get caught. >> ali, you have the pulse on

congress. the president just signed a relatively modest gun law into effect and the most significant in quite sometime. if we are talking potentially about -- this is what we heard the governor and mayor talk about, an assault weapons ban. how many people in congress could there potentially be for it? >> reporter: not enough. that's the answer especially after we watched the senate go through the round of weeks of bipartisan negotiation to legislate gun violence preconvenience and even that package is modest and tgeted school shootings. it incentivized red flag laws and targeted to mental health and school safety and senator mitch mcconnell said that he wanted something that spoke to the specific tragedy at hand pertaining to texas. it is what makes the larger call

for an assault weapons ban that much more difficult and president biden said in the aftermath of uvalde and buffalo and what i heard from sources there's not the votes for it. we watched what they had to do to get to a dozen plus republicans that could on board for the bipartisan legislation. the magic number is always 60 and need it to get anywhere on any legislation and especially on gun violence prevention and that just doesn't exist in the senate right now and look at what actually got on the bill and tells a story not just of what it is to be a republican lawmaker in washington right now but a republican lawmaker who's in cycle and up for re-election. we both know once you get to the end of the summer it goes into full-on election mode and hard to do big things when they think about the state qualifications

are going to be, the ramifications going home. it makes this conversation around an assault weapons ban or magazine limits much more difficult and the numbers aren't there for them to do something. >> i guess, ben, the question becomes is much more difficult or impossible. you know this fight well with congress. could there be a cumulative effect with buffalo, uvalde, highland park. a situation anybody can relate to. sitting watching the parade which i did earlier in the weekend. could voters put pressure on congress to say you need to do more than what was just passed. we need to get rid of weapons of war or was this one and done at least for a while? >> i think you have to build a movement to change that dynamic

inside of congress. the reality is we have seen a preponderance of mass shootings. people are ware of this. this touch every americans' sense of safety and parent's sense of the children. people are also aware that we are in a polarized time and rad kaltization taking place. this is not a new story for people. so i think what needs to happen is an insistence that the incremental step taken by congress that that's not enough and only way to make a dent in the problem is getting at high capacity magazines and run on that politically and put pressure why the republicans that did vote for that bill probably didn't want to. probably not what they thought that they would do in this session that shows me that there is some pressure building on this issue but keep at it and not accept the half measure as

sufficient. >> so illinois already has some of the strongest gun laws in the country including a law requiring background checks on all gun sales. i want to play the mayor this morning. >> i don't know where the gun came from but i do know that it was legally obtained. and i think at some point this nation needs to have a conversation about these weekly events involving the murder of dozens of people with legally obtained gun why is if that's what the guns stand for then i think we need to reexamine the laws. >> what are you hearing from people in this community? is there a level of frustration? >> this is a community that leans the real democratic. this is a community that under the mayor passed an assault weapons ban and not controversial. this was accepted and went all the way up to the supreme court.

so the things that you have been talking about congress to do this and that, it is a portion of illinois and the suburb where anything you want to suggest would work. every elected official probably would not be punished for a ban. the congressmen of the area, all support stricter curbs on miltd style guns. this is not about the second amendment. no one is questioning that. it is about keeping military style weapons away from people. and just to make this point that if you didn't have a high powered weapon capable of rapid fire and high capacity magazines which is just a fancy way of saying the gun, the weapon could eat up a lot of bull lets real

fast you might have minimized the danger a lone shooter could have done. >> we are a nation with more firearms than people and the argument is you never will roll that back. have we put ourselves in a position in the country where it's very hard to look the families in the face and say with honesty to fix this? >> yeah. it is hard. look. we got to know each other when i was working on national security and a thing that's astonishing to me is foreign terrorist organizations there's a zero tolerance when it comes to any danger to americans. if a car bomb directed by a foreign terrorist association killed six people in a neighborhood outside chicago all hell would have broken loose and looking at a country to bomb and making changes in security procedures. dhs would be on this.

right? yet we accept this completely intolerable unsustainable level of violence and guns in the society. we have to change it. now that the supreme court came down hard that they won't be part of the solution but obstruct authorities to keep the weapons off the streets it has to change in the politics and if you look at when this becomes an issue in terms of voting and polling the vast majority of the american people want something done on -- something dramatic done to make sure that the person that wants to do this can't kill this many people. it is simple but a message that has to be delivered on a sustained bases not just in the aftermath. it was a decades long effort.

those concerned about the danger that the weapons pose to the communities have to not settle for a reality in which there are more weapons than people in the country and in which anybody can buy an ar-15 military style weapon and ammunition to kill people in this country. that is not sustainable and until people make that a leading political issue in this country you're not going to have the structural change that's necessary to deal with it. none of this has to do with the right to own a firearm. it is the safety of the communities. you don't need an ar-15 to have a right to own a firearm. >> i want to ask about something that's a big issue and not an analogy to this today but bear with me here. i did a lot of work working at the white house about how to

stop home grown terrorists and went to the second largest mosque in america in virginia and really working to try to identify online anybody who might be radicalized and there were a lot of questions and i think we had a conversation around the legality of how deep to go to find people that might pose a threat. help us to understand the difficulties and we'll talk more about social media coming up later but the difficulty legally and logistically that you found that might be difficult here to try to identify the threats and stop them before they start. >> it is a great question and i spent a lot of time on this issue in the white house and what you saw is people fitting the profile about this shooter. disaffected young men. these were in muslim communities in the united states who began to consume content online that

wasn't at first violent in nature. and then went through a process of radicalization largely online. where the content that they consume, the stuff to post is getting more and more alarming. the reality is the capacity for the u.s. government to monitor the content and use and intake is against the values, the laws. frankly, also impossible to some extent. we had tools as a foreign terrorist organization seeking to radicalize in the united states. there's greater tools to disrupt the communication network. i think in this country there's not going to be any comfort level for the u.s. government doing that with domestic groups in the same way and you don't have the legal tools and nor is it consistent with the values for the government to be kind of

running a dragnet across the social media. there are things that the social media companies can do to slow down the spread of hate speech and flag content. we worked with the tech platforms with isis trying to radicalize people online but there are always going to be people that want to do these things and the biggest thing to protect people and s to make sure the person that wants to do harm can't get the hands on a weapon of war. >> always good to have you on the program. thank you all. in ohio a state of emergency in akron. an unarmed black man shot and killed by police with more than 60 wounds to his body. the new demands by protesters but first, the person of

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highland park where there's an active investigation. the shooter that killed six people posted tremendous amount of postings. so does it follow that a massive red flag might have been missed? bobby cremo won't by the name awake and performed as a rapper. you can see he wears a bullet and a bullet-proof vest in a classroom in the aftermath of a school shooting and posted on a message board talking about murder in a graphic way. last week he post add video of a beheading. but even if people do take notice of content like this how do we distinguish those that post and people who might carry out actual violence in the real world?

joining me is nbc senior reporter ben collins and brian levin director of center for the study of hate. you have looked at social media accounts in the aftermath of these events for years. what stood out to you? >> find the metric of most he is by far the most active in this space. he was a known entity with a youtube channel with music videos devoted to mass killing. basically. that's why with this idea that there was no flag in his life it is shocking to me. somebody else shot that music video of him dropping bullets in a staged classroom. and the music video about a mass shooting in a classroom. the fact that people in the life did not know this is part of the astettic is shocking to me and didn't want to step in is

shocking to me. so this was probably the most known person in this space that you could find. his youtube channel had tens of thousands of views. he was on spotify. he had stuff everywhere. it leads you to wonder if they couldn't catch him who can they catch in this space. >> when you talk about it being the most that you have seen in a space like this and i actually heard you earlier yesterday talking about the number of different kinds of groups that he was on. we are familiar with the typical facebook, twitter, the usual social media. how deep do some of these groups go? how much of a sub culture are they? >> yeah. he was a power user posted

beheading videos and videos of people getting murdered. almost all of those people never commit mass murders but he did. he was committed across the platforms, to creating a manifesto, numbers he wanted people to decrypt. he had every available red flag and why it's surprising. this is a community now on the internet. people who view kill counts as a with an i -- as a way to enter that community. even if they are killed or locked up for life after that. they have no little identity in the real world and so deeply hateful, racist or angry and want to be part of that

community than live in actual real life. >> given what we just heard from ben, brian, it is all the more shocking what we heard from the mayor of this community. >> i know him as a somebody who was a cub scout when i was the leader. it is one of those things you step back and say what happened. how did somebody become this angry, this hateful to then take it out on innocent people who literally were just having a family day out. >> what did you know about him even at that young age? >> he was just a little boy. >> how do you go from just a little boy to a subject in a mass murder? >>. [ inaudible ] angry time.

particularly post-pandemic and during the pandemic. people were online more and angry and social signs data points. people report symptoms of depression more. what else do we know? we know that the red flags out there. i looked at the social media presence as the name came out and what we have to understand is two things. one is big picture he shouldn't have the availability of these weapons. we have lost family in san bernardino in that terror attack that devoted the lives to get regulations on these kind of weapons. that is the big picture. but the availability of weapons. looking at the fact that -- [ inaudible ] 10,000 homicides.

12,000 -- we have seen an increase in the last decade from 12,000 to over 20,000. we have to make sure that we keep the eye on the big picture. that being said, with these -- what do people do? when there is an opportunity. when that red flag can be pulled. who are the ones most likely to see? people who are family members or acquaintances and people online and also when there's a contact with law enforcement. and i think we have to have protocols and more general ones for the public saying if somebody is about weapons procurement, glorification of violence -- [ inaudible ] when that red flag comes --

[ inaudible ] these people who are nigh listic. set of grievances that make them act violently. [ inaudible ] >> thank you both very much. this tragedy underscores a grim reality for children in this country. many are extremely prepared for what to do in mass shootings. i'll ask an expert after this. you are watching "chris jansing reports." "chris jansing "chris jansing reports. i think it's very important that you spend your time wisely. and what better way of spending time than traveling, continuing to educate ourselves and broaden our minds?

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because unlike the parents they're growing up in a world where this is so normal that schools train them for the very moment. >> he said my name is blake. and the other little boy said, blake, run, run. he grabbed blake's hand. >> my daughter was really smart and didn't try to come to look for us. she just ran. >> my 17-year-old drew the blinds right away. blocked the doors. closed the shutters. what strikes me is the kids knew what to do. they just went into the active shooter training and i don't have that so they were the ones guiding us. >> joining me now is nancy kisslan who is author of "lockdown." thank you for being with us. this was not school violence but community violence and parent

after parent after parent interviewed yesterday said my kid told me what to do. how ingrained is this as an every day part of a child's life in america? >> thank you for having me. it is heart breaking to see all the news right now. and what screams in my head is that we can't think this is normal. just because the children are being trained for it doesn't mean they're not scared and auction and traumatized. we need to create healthy conversations with the kids. one of the things i say is -- >> sorry. >> no, no. one of the things i say is encouraging parents is to have honest conversations.

check your own emotions before you open your mouth and ask them about the drills. what do they do during drills? do they take them seriously? are they scared. are the classmates uncomfortable during the drills and come up with an emergency plan. in that emergency plan i would include what to do in case you're separated, what to do, who are the safe people in the community to call. whether it be a grandparent, a neighbor. and remind them to trust their instincts and really important these days is to be present. out in the community event, school, shopping mall put the phone away. pay attention. walking with the child have them put their phone away and really create open conversation because what we know about trauma is that children who have a safe,

at least one safe adult to talk to are less likely to be traumatized. and that's really hard in this scary world. >> let me ask about something a more posted online after the shooting in uvalde. we found the preschooler on a toilet if she had to hide in the case of an active shooter. there is an awareness parents might not even understand. take a listen. >> they have been doing it since preschool. >> stacy posted this on facebook. >> she said she was practicing for a lockdown drill and what you would do stuck in the bathroom. my hea sank. >> so when you see something like that, nancy, i wonder what are the long term implications

for the kids. i know what to do and feel safe or worried about the fear that something like what happened here yesterday can instill in someone? >> thank you for showing that video. this is a big issue that i have been talking with school districts around the country and in my book is that it looks like we trained the children. we are not talking about the emotional and social health, the child that's triggered in a restroom, school, shopping mall, at home. oh wait. what happens if i'm not safe here? what happens if there's a bad person with a gun out there and i have to practice savinging my life on a toilet. there is not enough research showing a child on a toilet will

keep them alive. the little girl let the mom know what she was doing and that's a point of entry to an important conversation. >> nancy, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today on this important topic. in ohio demands for justice after an incident we heard of too many times, as well. another shooting of an unarmed black man at a traffic stop. why are the tragedies so common and how does the problem get fixed? get fixed?

residents of akron, ohio, demand answers today gathering outside the mayor's house after police shot and killed jalen walker. they want to know the names of the officers involved. police released the body cam footage. the medical examiner said at

least 60 wounds to his body. according to the police chief it started as a traffic stop. police say he did not pull over and fired from a moving vehicle and got out of the car and ran. officers tried to stop him with tasers. walker was not armed getting out of the carr according to investigators. maggie vespa joins me and paul butler. maggie, what do we know at the officers involved? are they concerned about more protests today? >> reporter: chris, no more plans of protest that we have heard today but city officials remain on edge because the city is still under a state of emergency with a 9:00 p.m. curfew planned. the eight officers are on paid

leave, standard procedure in this case and the identitied not being released. people said they want more transparency from the city and the names to be released as soon as possible why they're horrified by the shear magnitude of bullets fired at him. police say he ran from the car wearing a ski mask and found a gun in the car. given the 90 shots and roughly 60 wounds to the body by 8 officers people horrified saying they can't get past the numbers and the police response. take a listen. >> i want them to make a change in the way that they do the procedures as far as stopping. for a traffic stop? really? you have to gun him down? get his license plate and run it

and then pick it up later. you didn't have to chase him down the expressway. right or wrong he didn't deserve to be shot 66 times like that. >> reporter: the state of ohio handling the investigation. the attorney general promising in his words complete and fair. we don't have a timeline how long that investigation will take. chris? >> paul, given what police said, he was someone that they believed fired a shot, had a ski mask. could 90 shots being fired at a single suspect be justified? >> so under the law if the officer believe it is life is in danger they can use deadly force until the threat is terminated. in this case 60 shots is horrifying but they will focus on whether mr. walker posed a

deadly threat at the time that the officers fired and the police will say eight officers made the judgment that he was trying to kill them and use that to try to defend themselves from legal consequences but we know that they were tragically wrong because he was unarmed when he was shot down. but under the law the police don't have to be right about whether they were threatened. they have to have acted reasonably under the circumstances known to them at the time. >> let me take this out to a big picture. we have seen a number of officer involved shootings that begin as a traffic stop. a recent report from the nonprofit mapping police violence find 117 people were killed in traffic stops in 2021 alone. why are these traffic stops

turning so deadly? what needs to change? >> chris, "the new york times" reported that in five years unarmed people killed in routine traffic stops more than 400 times, that's unarmed person a week killed by the police pulled over for a traffic violation and five officers convicted of crimes in connection with the shooting so little accountability. traffic stops are the most common police encounters with civilians and can be dangerous to officers and citizens. according to studies the risk of an officer being killed in a routine traffic stop is less than 1 in 3 million. cops are probably taught to overstate that danger. police -- president obama's commission on 21st century policing talked about a warrior

mentality in the culture and the problem is in training and the culture why they both need improvement substantially. >> paul butler, won't be the last time we speak about this case. thank you. >> maggie, thank you. up next, the difficult questions we are now asking after the deadly attack on families as they were gathering to celebrate. it was one of just seven mass shootings in the u.s. on the fourth of july. what is going on? f july [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a time. - we've both been taking prevagen for a little we didn't notice before.time.

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fireworks? band members running. wait, that's a part of the parade, until it's clear that people were bleeding. some victims very identities obliterated in a hail of bullets. it wasn't until then that the panic set in. >> my little brother was 4, him he's 5 and my puppy. you put them all three in the garbage dumpster. i askedhem to watch him. then i ran back. when i ran back, there was the bodies on the ground. >> the people who i saw were pronounced dead immediately had horrific injuries, the kind of jared kushner ris soon in war-time injuries, blast injuries, where people's heads are not intact. >> i was scared for you know my children and it was just crazy experience. nowadays, you don't feel safe now anywhere.

>> reporter: you hard it right there. in the horrible painful hours since the shooting, the questions so many people are asking, both in this community and across america. where are we safe? if monday is any indication, the answer is nowhere. i don't need to be here to make that point. there were two mass shootings yesterday, one here in highland park, an all white community nearly with a median income of $150,000 and a complex on the south side where the median household income is less than $30,000. according to gun violence archives, there were 16 mass shootings over the holiday weekend, including in south carolina, tacoma, washington. sacramento, kansas city, kenosha, wisconsin. in philadelphia, two police officers were shot during the fourth of july celebration. fireworks lighting the sky, terror darkening its streets.

>> this is a gun country. it's crazy. we're the most armed country in the world history and we're one of the least safest. so, you know, until americans side they want to give up the guns and give up the opportunity to get guns, we're going to have to stop. i'm waiting for something to happen all the time. i'll be happy when i'm not here, not mayor. >> reporter: a split screen of america, parades, fireworks on one side, death and destruction on the other. except this weekend, they collided. two constitutional newspapers he'd lined it, horror, a horror marred by mass shootings, dozens more of one or two or three people, violence that continues to chip away at any sense of safety that may be left. several cities called off their parades and fireworks out of fear. some even closed beaches. crowds gather there, too, of course. which gathering place might be

next? >> we have people screaming, bodies down, we saw people on the ground. >> i ran with my daughter. she was scared. i was trying to find a place to hide with herch. >> reporter: remember these images, chairs, strollers, blankets left behind when people ran. vent wal fragments of a society unable to deal with this uniquely american scourge of gun violence, fathers are forced to make unfathomable decisions, to leave their children in a dumpster for safety. to leave a two-and-a-half-year-old with a stranger because he had to save his bleeding wife. it's not hard to answer the question the philadelphia mayor grapples with daily, when will this gun violence end? statistics tell us the answer in america is, not today. in the aftermath of another weekend of carnage, can we

answer the question? will we answer the question posed this morning by the mayor here in highland park. >> why do we as a nation allow there to happen with such regularity? why do we say, oh, okay, this is them. this is unbelievable to me that this is an acceptable part of who we are as a nation. >> reporter: our coverage continues live from highland park after the break. coverage coverage ntcoinues live from highlandcoud telling my doctor i was short of breath just reading a book... but i didn't wait. they told their doctors. and found out they had... atrial fibrillation. a condition which makes it irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain,on. shortness of breath, fatigue or lightheadedness, contact your doctor. this is no time to wait. park after the break

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