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it's good to be with you. i'm i i'm chris jansing in for katy tur. we are live in highland park, illinois. we are just down the street where a gunman took the lives of six people at the fourth of july parade. there is a lot of activity here. you can still see the police tape. just about 90 minutes ago, we got a lot of information about the suspect, a 21-year-old who lived just a few minutes from here. police now say he had been planning yesterday's attack for weeks before climbing on to a roof at the start of the parade and firing into a crowd.
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police say their investigation shows he ultimately fired more than 70 rounds and just about an hour ago, we also learned this, that during the attack, he was dressed in womens clothing in an attempt to escape the scene undetected. it worked for about eight hours before he was arrested driving his mother's car, another rifle found inside the vehicle. >> so he was in possession of the firearm the day of, the rifle. he was in possession of another rifle in his vehicle when he was pulled over by police. he also had other firearms that were recovered from a residence that he was living in, in highwood. >> reporter: were they in his hands? >> all in his hands. >> all legal? >> they were all legal. >> reporter: let's get right to our reporters covering all angles, nbc news' dash za jones is in highland park. nbc news investigative reporter john winter joins me from new york and tom let me start with
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you, because we just heard them mentioning the weapons. i know you have been looking into this. what more do we know? >> reporter: right, on the weapons front, we have been told earlier purchased multiple weapons. he was over the age of 18 at the time of purchase. there are no felony criminal record or convictions i should say on his record. he did have perhaps one or two small infractions that involved law enforcement over the years, nothing violent according to police and our own public record searches. so there would have been nothing that would have prohibited him from buying those assault rifle-type weapons that police referred to in their press conference. they did confirm he purchased two of those rifles. one was left at the scene. a second one was found in that car there on the screen. it's that grey honda located between the red undercover or unmarked vehicle.
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i believe it belongs to the fbi and the police tactical vehicle, which is just off screen at the top of the screen. that's what he was driving. an assault rifle inside that car. in addition to that they found a number of handguns he owned in his possession, legally purchased at a residence or location that he was saying at. so that's what we know about the guns. i think that's fortunate thing here. we look to see whether or not a legal gun buyer or the active weapon would have been a trip wire. it doesn't appear senates the case. >> so dasha, beyond the guns, we learned a lot about the suspect, how the police ultimately were able to arrest him. tell me more about what the new information is over the last 90 minutes or so. >> reporter: yeah. it was an incredibly informative press conference, chris. we learned that the gunman is 21-years-old. there were previous reports he was 22. we learned that he is the only
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person of interest right now. they do not suspect that any other players were involved here and we learned that this was pre-planned. this was a pre-meditated attack that was planned for weeks. he is in police custody right now. earlier today, he was at the police department here. we don't know yet if he has been moved or not. take a listen to some of what we heard at the press briefing today. >> he brought a high-powered rifle to this parade. he accessed the roof of a business via a fire escape ladder and began opening fire on the innocent independence day celebration-goers. the rifle was purchased in illinois and the information we have thus far is that it appears to have been purchased legally by him. during the attack, he was dressed in womens clothing and investigators do believe he did is this to conceal his facial tattoos and his identity and
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help him during the escape. >> reporter: yes, chris, we learned a lot more about how he went about this 57d how he went about blending in afterwards. as you heard there, he was dressed in women's clothing. afterwards, he blended in with the crowd, when to the his mother's house, got his mother's car and drove away from the scene. an alert member saw the vehicle police had been putting out to the public, called 911. that's how he was ultimately apprehended. video from community members, from parade-goers and witnesses was incredibly important to find him and apprehend him. agencies plus all of that content, pictures, images that were shared were incredibly helpful here. chris. >> and, mike, the president has ordered half-staff for flags to honor the victims. do we have any more reaction from the white house yet? >> reporter: well, chris, the
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most significant thing the president can do at this stage symbolically is for him to meet with some of the victims as we seen him do in the recent other mass shootings in buffalo and in texas. the president, himself, indicated today he's not sure yet that's something he will be doing. the vice president kamala harris is actually in chicago today for a previously-scheduled address to educators group and interestingly, she had already planned to speak to the burden that teach teachers face for the concern of their own safety and the safety of the students with this epidemic of gun violence in this country. we will hear more from the white house pretty secretary greets supporters. i think there is a real sense of exacerbation in this country, though. chris, we're talking a week after the president signed into law, what was hailed at the time the most significant, albeit limited, gun safety bill in the last three decades. already, there is questions now about what more the president
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could be doing. what more congress could be doing. i think it speaks as to the fact, that gunman obtained these weapons legally. the president gave a prime time address in the last month in which he called for a revival of the assault weapons ban, to eventually take these when fons off the street. congress is potentially only willing to go so far. this administration, whether it's gun rights, abortion rights, climate change, you name the issue, say they're willing to consider and and all sxektive actions they believe are in the president's authority. ultimately, this is a boating issue and this needs to be done through legislation. >> snafrgs to all of you. joining me in highland park is larry bloom. he was at the parade and witnessed the shooting. also with us, warren friday. he was at the race with his wife and two-year-old twins when gunfire took out. he took this no coone minute
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before things took a deadly turn. thank you for being with us. larry, you were at the parade >> yeah. >> you were with your can i'd? >> no kids. >> reporter: just you. you heard the shots go off. >> yes. >> reporter: tell me what goes through your mind at that minute? >> basically, a res tans of one or two, pop, pop, poll. which we wondered if that was on a float. then it unleashed and a tore rent of what was so recognizable as rifle fire, just continuous then stop and continuous and stops. >> reporter: and what goes through your mind? >> at first it was to get to -- >> reporter: what did you this i? >> it was, i ran into ft. clinton square which is built like a fortress almost. which is good, i got behind a pillar. it gave me a few seconds to think. this is something every year i thought i can't believe this has
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not happened here yet. based on the temperature of this country and some of the demographics of our town kind of invites that. and that type of activity and the fact that we all came out, a town number of people that come out and appreciate the day. pretty much anyone within 50 feet of me were likely to be murdered or seriously injured because somebody had the fire power that no civilian should have. if you stood under that and not knowing where all that was coming from, there is no reasonable person that would think that is something a civilian should have, that type of power and delivery system of that type of power. >> reporter: you sound angry. >> it's very upsetting. again, it's unbelievable and believable that we're doing this here. it was expected by me at some point, unfortunately. and it's just disgusting that we have -- i can under stand there is a debate over reducing
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carnage against preserving hawke hobby or delusion that this is needed. it's insane. it's insane. and we watched the people split hairs over what to take away, what to give. i don't understand it. you know, the people who are supposed to be making a decision aren't doing it. then vote for other people. it's just to watch this constantly, even recently with the recent bill that they put through, it's just an accommodation on both sides. it made no sense. nobody should be under that -- i'm just lucky. it's just luck that being under the reign of that, i wasn't hurt or killed or many other photo we put up shows this turn in a split second. describe what happened and when you first realized something was very wrong here?
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>> we were at the start of the parade and all of a sudden they had the dog parade, the kids on the bikes, they had the police come by, just to wave at the children. the firemen saying they were about to hand out the sweets, the candies to the kids. and all of a sudden there was a 20-second delay, it was quiet and sigh license and bang, bang bang bang, active shooter, run! i picked up my son. my wife picked up my daughter. we saw people all over the place. we heard the shots. we didn't see the blood, itself. we saw people laying on the ground. people in wheel chairs not being able to move to be stuck in a situation, young kids who were looking for their parents. the only thing we could think to do was to run to our car and away from this situation, not knowing if anybody was even behind us. like he said, it was pure luck that we weren't killed. >> how are you doing? and how are your kids doing?
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>> last night, my son had terrible nightmares. he woke up at 3:00 in the morning saying somebody is going to kill me, daddy, help me. psychologically, we have a disorder which impacts our judgment and society. even going into an environment like this was challenging for all three of us. we gave it our best opportunity and after two-and-a-half years of covid and being isolated, their big experience going out in public is a mass shooting unfortunately. so it's hard to explain to them the reasons why. we want to know newer logically why somebody would do this. for us, it didn't that's if he had a gun, a bombing, a fire throw,ia was he aiming at us? what happened between the ages of 10th grade to the age of 21 where he had su bad impacts in his life he had to shoot innocent people? that's what we want to know? >> reporter: and what do you say
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to your children when they say to you that they are so afraid? >> i think that as we have a neurological condition, maybe his brain wasn't working the best. maybe he wasn't sure what was real and what was fake. so even my kids during the situation last night, daddy, can we meet him and help him so he doesn't hurt another person. we want to make sure people in the community having a says to the support this child and now young adult wasn't able to obtain. we don't want this to happen again. >> larry, what would you say to people? and have you heard this before, that the answer for this is a good guy with a go un? >> you know, plrp plenty of good guys with guns. it's a parade, first of all, police are in the parade. they're there. and they already are kosh dong off the streets. they already are here. they did respond very quickly. as soon as it started, i mean, there was a lot of shots
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quickly, i think i married you say 70 shots. it came quickly. it came from all directions, there was a quick presence quickly. we're talking, we're talking, obviously, the time to shoot all those rounds. nothing could have been done. >> reporter: warren, you were not put in this position to be a political person and i hesitate to ask you a political question. but what is your message to folks out there who for whatever reason are struggling with these conversations about whether anyone should be able to having a says to weapons of war? or any of a myriad of questions that are out there, but we know, for a fact, is that children are being killed. adults are being killed. children in your community are being wounded. what would you say to them? what do you want them to understand about this experience that your family, not only had
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to endure over these last 24 hours, but surely will have to deal with in the days and weeks and months to come? >> sure. we have a huge mental health problem in this country. like i keep saying, what happened to this child between 10th grade until the age of 22 where he lived in my community, where he turned so bad that he had to shoot people down? we want to know why as people who came, why he decided to act in such a way. we want to make sure this doesn't happen again. like me and my kids, we want to make sure he understands he did a bad thing. i don't have anger right now. i have in my heart to make sure that other people who are dealing with machine tal health don't do this in another town or we don't see another report from another news station. it's enough. now all i hear in my head is gunshots and bang, bang, bang. it could have been bombs, fire i saw. it's that vengeance i see over and over again.
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why did he have to be this way? >> reporter: it is never easy as a survivor to talk about these things. i thank you both very much for taking the time to speak with us and to help us understand today. i am glad that at least physically you, your family, are okay. still ahead, what we know so far about the suspect in the highland park shooting and the long trail he left online. plus an independence day celebration in philadelphia turned into a panicked stampede after gunshots rang out there as crowds will gather to watch the city's fireworks show. and more witnesses, new details, of cassidy hutchinson's january 6th testimony is inspiring others to come forward with what they know. we'll be right back. g heotrs tod g heotrs tod with
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. this hour, police still do not have a gunman in custody for the second shooting at our fourth of july celebration this weekend. that gunfire injuring two police officers near a concert and fireworks show in philadelphia. no one else was hurt. it sent spectators running for safety. first, emily, tell us the latest on the search for the suspects. >> reporter: hey there, first of all, as you can imagine, absolute mayhem playing out here. at this point as you mentioned
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there is no shooter in police custody. they are following up on several leads, no arrests have been made at this point. officers, according to investigators, didn't actually hear the gunshots last night. remember, there were fireworks booming in the background. police say, what else is unclear is whether police officers were started. whether there was celebratory gunfire and bullets ricochetted off the ground, one grazed in the shoulder. the other grazed in the forehead. i will show you in a moment how close of a call that was. this led to a mass exodus of people. keep in mind, this area was a sea of people here for the celebrations of july 4th. they came for the concerts, for the fireworks show. so when they started to hear potentially there was an active shooter on the ground, there was complete chaos. here is more from the mayor of how what was supposed to be a fun night turned into a
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traumatizing one. >> it's a lay back, chill day. the weather was beautiful. the concert was beautiful. but we live in america and we have the 2nd amendment and the supreme court of the united states telling everybody they can carry a gun wherever they want. it's like dodge city. we have to come to grips with what this country is about right now. >> reporter: and, chris, monday's mayhem comes as philadelphia battles a crushing volume of gun guy lens, seeing a new high for the number of homicides recorded last year for 2021. chris. >> reporter: and what are we hearing about what the officers are doing, emily? >> reporter: so good news here. they were briefly hospitalized. they were grazed by bullets in the forehead and shoulder. take a look at this picture. it shows how senator rowly one of the police officers escaped death. there was a bullet lodged inside his cast. one inch to the left, to the right, we could be talking about
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a different situation here. the other thing i will add is the fraternal order of police, they are offering a $20,000 rewashed for any information leading to an arrest in this case. >> emily, thank you so much for that. up next, the potential criminal case against a suspected shooter here in highland park. the evidence police are looking at, including his digital trail. but first, their families fled. they stayed. doctors on the scene describing a chaotic moment during the mass shooting as they sprang into action to help those who were injured. >> all of a sudden there was a stampede of people coming and then i realized it was gunshots and i literally just thought to myself, this is how it's going to end. o o myself, this is ho call ourselv? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool. -seriously? -denied.
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here. according to deputy chief, the state attorney's office has been involved since the beginning. >> the lake county states attorneys office has been with us from the ground level. they were with us this morning. they were with us through the night. we continue to review the information. investigators are still developing leads and very critical information. >> reporter: joining me now former federal prosecutor paul butter and retired atf hostage negotiator jim kavanaugh. both are msnbc analysts. the weapons are legal. from a ballaristics standpoint, what can they learn when they look at both the gun left at the scene and the one they apparently found later with him? >> well, the main thing is that he purchased both of them legally. so there will be a federal firearms transaction record with his name and identification and even his firpg prirnts on the forms. we routinely finger print them
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for prosecutors. paul probably remembers those cases. we get every ounce of proof, videotape of him at the store buying the guns. it's not going to be a tough case his finger prints, dna all over the guns. he purchased them. it will be a solid criminal case against him if they have all that evidence. >> reporter: so, palm, that's one aspect of it. how else do you start building a case? ? where do you start? where do you go to? what itself the progression in a situation like this, paul? >> law enforcement is digging into the shooter's motive now. this is domestic terrific or politically motivated violence or is the shooter simply a deranged or mentally ill person? investigators are focused on whether this is a lone wolf attack. even if the shooter acted alone, does he have a social media following, who might be motivated to engage in copycat
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actions? >> reporter: we also heard from the press conference less than two hours ago, they don't find anything that suggests there was a hate motivation. this is a large youish community. we have not seen our folks online, investigators have not seen any anti-semitic online footprint, for example. so very carefully, how do you look to establish a motive and how often does there not seem to be a clear one? >> if that's for me, it's helpful for investigators that nothing on the internet goes away perm 90ly. so they're following the digital footprints, looking at accomplices, also examining social media for clues about how to pre ven these attacks that in some ways are planned and advertised online.
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>> reporter: they have looked a lot at that information. he dubbed this a new wave of terror active online and these subcultures where there is a lot about hate, violent imagery. they often post ways to carry out violent acts. how much of a threat do you think they pose, jim? and how deep in this is law enforcement right now? >>. >> i don't think law enforcement is deep into it enough, chris. i think you hit the nail out there. there are too many of these groups idolizing a mass murder. now, motive is not necessarily proven for homicide, finger prints on the gun, dna on the gun, videotape him going to the roof. it's just enough to prove he is the person responsible who pulled the trigger for murder. motive is never uncovered. he can be convicted of murder in a state charge. if it gets into other charges, hate crimes, terrorism, other
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things, other evidence would need to be uncovered. state murder can be proved just on the basic facts that seems like they are already deep into. i think a lot more of these guys we want to believe have this fantasy for mass murder. i think we can do a much better job. we have to take it to the limits of the first amendment. certainly, we don't want to violate the first amendment. but we can do a better job observing bizarre behavior and stepping in. i think we can do a better job. >> reporter: anding paul, we reemphasize you are a prosecutor. how does a prosecutor build a team in this situation? >> so again the evidence seems clear. sometimes different evidence emerges after the defense has a chance to make its claim. but really i think the focus here is going to turn to national outrage. the problem is these mass
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shootings are happening in a legal context in which the supreme court is ex357bding gun rights and a political context in which republicans are standing against reasonable gun safety rules. the recent federal legislation isn't advanced. it would not have made a difference in this case. >> paul butler, jim kavanaugh, always good to have your expertise. gentleman, thank you for that. coming up, wnba star brittney griner's handwritten plea to the president. why she says she is terrified. cassidy hutchinson's testimony gets more witnesses to come forward. who we can hear from as the january 6th panel gears up for more hearings this month. 6th pap instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette
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lindsey graham, attorney john eastman, rudy guiliani and other key members of donald trump's legal team. it's a part of the grand jury investigation into the interference in the 2020 election. that investigation coincides with the separate investigation by the house select committee. right now, we do not know when the next hearing will be, but we do know several members of the committee say since the last hearing, caste hutchinson, many people have come forward. it's also intensifying scrutiny of former president trump and his interpretations on january 6th and this, of course, from the "new york times" peter baker underscores why. the headline, new insights into trump's state of mind on january 6th chip away at doubts. quote. recent testimony paints a stark portrait of a man willing to do almost anything to hang on to power. peter baker joins me now, so does washington journalist heidi pryzbilla.
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i will read more of those names. in the meantime, i want to say, you have brand-new reporting on many members of former president trump's legal team. give me your reaction to these new subpoenas. >> if it looks like they're turning in on the legal team, peter mitchell specifically is mentioned. he was on that phone call in which former president trump asked former secretary of the state brad raffarins burger to find him 11,000 extra votes. my new reporting is how there is a push now not only to target the attorneys who were on that first rupg supporting president trump's bogus election fraud and filing lawsuits in a number of states, also all of the attorneys that played a leading ro el in that, chris, who you don't hear about. that is my story today. that there is a bigger circle here of individuals that haven't
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been penalized. there were some sanctions handed down in michigan, chris. but that's under appeal right now. all of these other cases, where i looked at were the so-called kraken cases. these are the cases that sydney powell was directly or involved in filing in a number of states. these suits were the basis for president trump claiming that there was fraud committed in the election and allowed him to continue that narrative. even though all of these cases, chris, were thrown out within days by judges from both the democrat, appointed by both democrats and republicans. so again we took a look at a small subset of the 65 different suits that were filed around the country and what we found is a lot of these attorneys are not only haven't been reprimanded but are continuing to do work around the issue of election fraud, continuing to represent clients, for instance, who were involved in the insurrection or who are now doing audits in the
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state of wisconsin or in michigan supporting the sheriff who tried to seize voting machines and now says he is conducting his own forensic audit. so there is a lot of concern in the illegal community and the elections community that just penalizing these individuals, for instance, with sanctions, financial penalties is not enough, chris, because there was so much fund raising done around the bogus election fraud theory that in the end, there is a lot more money to be had in spreading those false theories then and just staying away from them, chris. >> reporter: i just want to get on the record with guiliani an eastman, the other names are jenna ellis, freed 72 mitchell and jackie deason, which brings us, then, peter, to that other investigation, which is why the house committee, of course, in your story, you detail how cassidy hutchinson's testimony
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has quote demolishs fiction who had nothing to do with that. explain all we have learned and in fact over the course of the various testimony has done that. >> yeah. a lot of what we heard over the last weeks and months is, what can you do about a president if he genuinely believed an election was stolen and the protest at the capitol was going to be peaceful. well, the testimony over the past few weeks basically undercut that idea, has given us a much more clearer picture of the state of mind. it's made clear his own advisers told again and again it was not stolen. he chose to advance conspiracy theories and had every reason to note that it was. cassidy hutchinson, in particular, walks us through january 6th in a way nobody has before. we have much more granular understanding of president trump on that day. we understand he knew that there would be a former crowd that was armed. he chose not only to continue to
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encourage them to go. to try to get the secret service not to screen for weapons and wanted them to go to the capitol. he yelled at secret service agents for refusing to take him there. he was heading to the capitol to put pressure on the congress to stop the transfer of power under the constitution. that state of mind is clearer today than it was. 57d that i think plays into the question of whether or not there is a prosecutorial case. i am not a lawyer. the lawyers will tell you that one of the issues they had in terms of whether there is evidence against him for a crime is what his state of mind was. at the time we know a lot more about that today. >> reporter: we know they want to film in the holes with people like cipollone. are you hearing anything? any indications about who may be coming forward or at the very least in your conversations? who are the people they feel they need the help the most to fill in the blanks? >> you mentioned pat cipollone. he was the white house counsel at the time of the election and
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january 6th. we know from other testimony from other people that were there, that he steadfastly resisted some of those extreme options the president was considering, including, you know, replacing his acting attorney general at the justice department in order to claim there was fraud if there wasn't. he also tried to resist this notion of fake electors set to the congress and trying to resist the president going to the capitol january 6th. he specifically told cassidy hutchinson in her hearing that they stopped, they don't stop them from going, they could be charged with any number of crimes. the committee wants to hear from him. they are negotiating with him at this moment. there seems to be some investigation. there is a debate about the hodgistics of how that would happen. his testimony would be important. >> reporter: peter baker, great to have you on the program. heidi, your timing is impeccable with your next report as well.
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nba brittney griner just wrote a gut wrenching letter, pleading for help. griner has been in detention for four months. a spokesperson says she wrote the letter, in part, as i sit here in a russian prison, alone with my thoughts and without the protection of my wife, family, friends, olympic jersey, or any accomplishments, i am terrified i might be here forever. she went on to say, quote, please don't forget about me and the other american detainees. please do all you can to bring us home. joining us is nbc white house correspondent mike memoli, any reaction what they are prepared to do? >> reporter: chris, we heard from a spokesperson yesterday who repeated what has been the standard line for the administration in dealing with these wrongfully the tained or hostage crises, one is that the president does everything he can
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working aggressively to try to bring detainee individuals home. also, we have seen in the past, this is a white house reluctant to comment too much publicly about the ongoing development in these individual cases. that is because there is concern the more they engage publicly, the more the asking price, frankly, from rush becomes whether it's brittney griner or other americans detained there. i thought it was notable in griner's letter to the president, she does mention us, that she's not alone in there. that's one of the dilemmas facing the white house. when they detained trevor reed in russia, whose health was failing, they actually traded a russian in the game of constantin yaroshenko, among the highly coveted assets for russia as they were discussing potential exchanges like we saw there. that speaks to the fact that in the case of reed, that was
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considered a high valued asset to trade back. maybe the administration needs to be careful here. there are so many other chips to play here. unfortunately, that's what we are talking about, russia seeing this as a transaction. the white house trying to do everything they can toen sure her safety. >> reporter: mike, thank you for that. up next, doctors who are on the scene here as shots rang out at the highlight park parade. how they sprang into action to help others. k parade k parade how they its revolutionary rollerball design delivers fast, powerful, long-lasting pain relief. aleve it, and see what's possible. like pulsing, electric shocks, sharp, stabbing pains, or an intense burning sensation. what is this nightmare? it's how some people describe... shingles. a painful, blistering rash that could interrupt your life for weeks. help others. forget social events and weekend getaways.
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try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. c1 c1 . we are back live in highland park. as shots rang out during the fourth of july parade. doctors and medics sprang into action the second they realized what was actually going on. and they treated victims on the scene as their own families ran to find safety nearby. nbc's shaquille brewster is just down the block for me from where i'm standing. he has more on folks jumped in to help. tell us what we have learned. >> chris during so many of these tragedies we hear of
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selflessness, of people going above the call of duty. this was no exception. this was a community event, a fourth of july parade. you had doctors and nurses in the crowd, emts and paramedics already on the scene. instead of fleeing after the shots were fired, they stayed put. they were putting pressure on wounds. we heard stories of tourniquet being applied. of cpr. some helping to transport wounded to the hospital out of fear there wouldn't be enough ambulances. at the hospital centers trauma surgeons came in even though they weren't on call. having staff having multiple nurses with each one of the victims or with several victims during a to some of the stories of selflessness we heard over the course of the day yesterday. >> people coming and as i said, i, then i realized it was gunshots. we got around the corner and i got my parents safe and i said
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i'm going to go back and see if people need help. >> the shooting stopped and then you saw people sprawled on the ground. and your instinct is to try and help. >> it was an elderly gentleman that was down on the ground with profusely bleeding from his abdomen. and he seemed to be the most critical patient at the time. and that is when we started with people were doing cpr, holding compression on his wounds. >> you know one thing that we also heard from many of the medical professionals, both who were out here tending to victims and at the hospital is the severity of the wounds. that these were bullets that in the words of one doctor that blow bodies apart. these are wartime injuries that he was experiencing and taking care of and helping tend to. so this wasn't a normal situation. again you saw people stepping up, going beyond the call of duty. and this unfortunately, is a scene we see over and over
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again in city after city, after many of these mass casualty and mass shooting events. chris? >> it is extraordinary, shaq. you and i have seen to time and time again, as you say, about people who put their own safety and security aside to help others in the most horrible circumstances any of us can possibly imagine. shaquille brewster, thank you for that. we have a little bit of breaking news for you. at the press conference we got just about two hours ago from investigators, they said that the suspect in the shooting here was actually dressed in women's clothing when he was up on the roof. that he did that in order to be able to blend into the crowd. so this is the first picture that we have seen of robert bobby primo iii dressed in women's clothing. that is going to do it for me this hour. we have much more ahead on this shooting. make sure to join us every
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