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the suspect dressed in women's clothing. that is the disguise he used to try to get away after the shooting. police say this is something that had been planned for several weeks. the gunman used that disguise to try to sleep through the crowd. but investigators say he left behind a legally purchased assault rifle that the atf was able to trace to this person of interest now, who is behind bars as we speak, not yet charged. police say he fired off more than 70 rounds from a roof overlooking the parade. as we are learning more about some of the six victims killed and the nearly 50 others hurt by the gunshots and all the way hospital after this happened. we expect another update in just about an hour. you have the white house and all federal buildings with flags flying at half staff in memory of the highland park victims. we have a lot to get to over the next 60 minutes. cathy park is in illinois, pete williams, mike is covering the white house and we are joined

by clint who worked as a consultant to the fbi counterterrorism division. there are still some unanswered questions that will be important as this investigation continues to unfold. first of all the motive, right? as well as any charges that could be filed. we may find out more about that piece of it some time in the next 60 to 90 minutes and what about the person of interest? police said it was contact of what they described as a nonviolent nature. what does that mean? do we have any more details on that? we are also waiting to learn the ids of all six people killed in this attack and there are questions as to whether president biden will visit highland park. he was noncommit al when asked. talk to us about what we have learned and i understand new numbers now on the number of victims. seven people killed.

presumably we know now another person has died in the hospital according to the lake county sheriff. >> hali, that's right. the number continues to be very fluid. obviously we are now roughly 24 hours after this deadly shooting. so we are definitely learning more about what took place and more about this planned abeing that. let me walk you through a little bit more about what we heard from law enforcement. the gunman planned this attack for several weeks and went to this crowded parade with a high powered rifle. and then accessed a fire ladder, and was able to get on to a roof and then fired roughly 70 rounds into the crowd. and keep in mind, this was fourth of july. this was a tradition for a lot of families. so there were a lot of young kids in the crowd, as well as you mentioned, there were dozens who were injured. but the gunman was able to kind of flee the scene and kind of

go through the crowd because, as you mentioned, he was disguised wearing women's clothing. and eventually walked to his mother's home, which wasn't too far away from the crime scene and then got into her vehicle and was able to drive away briefly. there was a chase, a pursuit, and eventually, later on in the evening, roughly about 8 hours after the shooting, officials were able to an presented him on the interstate without any incident. officials are saying they also retrieved another rifle in that vehicle. but here's a little bit more from the press conference not too long ago about how they were able to get a break in this case. take a listen. >> investigators did a really good job of the the atf was phenomenal yesterday. they expedited a trace of the firearm that was a major lead for us. in addition to that the witness statements, the videos we obtained from people that turned him in and the businesses, they all helped us

tremendously. >> and officials added there was no one else involved. as you mentioned earlier, it is still unclear on a motive. however we do know, having been on the ground for the better part of a day now and talking to a lot of folks here, in fact a physician not too long ago, she treated eight patients yesterday. all victims of this mass shooting. and i can tell you that the pain is reverberating in this community and you can see it on her face. she has treated a lot of trauma victims before, but you know, she had tears in her eyes and she had some physician friends who were actually at the parade yesterday and kind of gave her a heads up this was happening. so she had to mentally prepare herself to receive these patients initially. she was told that three victims would be here, but that number jumped to eight. cathy park live us for there in lake forest, illinois. as cathy knows, the lake county sheriff's office, the public

information officer who has been leading a lot of these news conferences confirming that now a seventh person has died. we know that five adults were dead on the scene, killed at the parade on the fourth of july. one other individual died at the hospital, according to officials and now the news coming in to us this hour, the terrible news a seventh person has lost their life. pete we are anticipating the potential for charges against this suspect as we are getting the first look from our nbc owned station in chicago at some of the surveillance photos, presumably of this person of interest leaving the scene in. >> yeah, let me talk about that picture, if i can show it again. because there is sort of an interesting thing about it. you can see that he is holding a cell phone in his right hand. and you can see that. >> yes. >> he has earphones attached to it. later that day, that cell phone was discovered in madison, wisconsin. and police say they now believe that after the shooting, crimo got into his mother's car and

actually drove to madison. why madison, wisconsin we are not sure at this point. whether he had relatives there. then he came back to the chicago area. so that would explain why yesterday just before he was arrested, we had heard from law enforcement that his cell phone had been discovered in madison. and we had thought last night well maybe that is where the arrest was. but no, he was back in the chicago area, he was in north chicago where the police saw his vehicle where he was arrested. we are also told he is talking to law enforcement in custody, but hasn't given any information that you would classify as a motive. and at this point, authorities say they just don't know why he did this, other than some ideas you could speculate about. but no suggestion that this was racially, religiously ethnically motivated. and that is why these charges are probably going to be state charges. there is no indication, as far

as we know, that the federal government intends to file charges. they would only have jurisdiction if there was some connection that have kind. >> clint, let me turn to you for any new developments we have learned in the last 15 minutes or so. >> i think the key thing that keeps coming through is this was preplanned, not surprising abased on it being a holiday parade. it was a specifically chosen target. i think the other thing that is striking is again, we see one of these horrific attacks. you start going through the social media signature of this individual, and many of the shooters before, and it is right there. you can see it, it is in your face. i think that is what is shocking is we continue to see these shootings take place and when you look back, you are finding that yeah, there are lots of warnings, there was lots of warning posts that we could have seen and then we look at what do we do about it? i think the other thing that is clear in terms of premeditation is the degree of planning. i think it is evident in terms

of the costumes, patterns, where the weapons were set up and the actual location they chose to shoot from, that, to me, says there is some premeditation there. the bigger picture is we have a effect with a major uptick of these mass shootings over the last few weeks. we didn't have that kind of an uptick since 2019. my concern, going forward when you look at the gun violence going on just around the country, we are only to basically the midpoint of summer, and we have seen a constant pick up of these attacks. we have seen shooters that are highly similar under the surface in terms of their age and makeup. most of them are all males, and what? an online environment and there is some signature to them. my question is what are we going to do about it? one it is the frequency of the attacks, we can do things about that in terms of triaging quick

and then it is the access to high capacity magazines. weapons that are made for war. that is the other part of this that we can do something about. >> that tees us up for mike. the white house briefing is set to begin in about 20 minute esumably jean pierre willbe asked about this. he is facing questions on whether he plans to visit highland park. the answer seems to be tb dfor now. >> as clint laid out the number of mass shootings in this country is in the hundreds. we have one now at highland park that has broken through in the case of the body count now at seven in terms of lives lost, about you also the circumstances around it. happening on the most american of holidays on the fourth of july. that raises this question of what the president will do in response. visiting highland park would be the most tangible thing the president could do at this

point. playing the role of comforter in chief as he has played so often before. he did it traveling to buffalo, speaking publicly about discourage of hate. traveling. >> the vice president is speaking about the fact. the other question is what the president could do in terms of action. we saw just over a week ago the president signing into law what was the most significant gun safety legislation since president biden was senator job. we expect questions to the white house today, and are likely to hear them point the finger at congress. it is worth now listening to

what the republican leader had to say today as he was traveling in kentucky. let's listen to that. >> i think yesterday's shooting is another example of what the problem is. the problem is mental health, and these young men who seem to be inspired to commit these atrocities. so i think the bill that we passed targeted the problem. >> reporter: so when the president signed that bipartisan compromise into law, the question was, was that going to give us momentum for further legislation down the road? or was that the sum total of what congress will be able to do at this stage. i think senator mcconnell's comments give you the indication it is probably the latter. quickly do we know enough about this person of interest yet to say whether the new gun safety law would have made a difference in this highland park shooting? >> i assume what senator mcconnell is talking about is

that it does call for more help for mental health and maybe that would have made a difference. but obviously that person has to get channeled into those providers in the first place. in terms of anything more specifically aimed at guns, no. he bought the weapon legally. he was 21 when he bought it. that is the minimum age under federal law to buy a land gun. but this was a rifle. he could have bought it when he turned 18. so the purchase was legal. and there is nothing in that bill that would have stopped him from buying that. there was some interest early on in restricting assault weapons or having a better records check for younger people who wanted to buy these kinds of rifles, but he was 21. >> pete williams, cathy park, mike, thank you to all of you as well. our next guest the mayor of highland park. mayor, thank you for being on the show on what i know is another difficult afternoon for you. >> thank you so much. >> we have just learned more from police now that a seventh

victim has now died. can you tell us anything more about this? >> unfortunately the names have not been released yet to the public. but we do know that, for many of the people who were on the scene, they saw injuries that they knew if they hadn't been dead already, were likely to result in a loss of life. this is what happens when these weapons are used against human beings. they are weapons of war. and it is pretty appalling that on a day we were supposed to be celebrating freedom in our little hometown, we now had terror and absolute grief now descends on my city. >> do you know, is this somebody i presume who died at the hospital? >> that is my understanding they succumbed to their wounds, yes. >> i know this is yet another difficult day for you and for your community. how are people doing there? what is your sense of the way that people are responding now

24 hours later what unfolded in long island park? >> yesterday was a day of shock. actually, it started as a day of fear. so they were able to, apprehend the suspect. people were locked down for hours. today reality is setting in and we are full of abject grief. as i have been walking around town, anybody i come across, we are hugging, we are crying. people just can't comprehend how something like this has come to their hometown. and frankly, i spoke to several mayors yesterday, mayor of buffalo, mayor of dayton, ohio. none of us ever chop this to come to our hometown. i think that is very telling, what one of your speakers had said. the weapon was purchased legally in most of these cases the weapon had been purchased legally. i think that indicates to us the laws are not doing anything to protect us if legal guns are being used to mow down swaths

of communities. >> on the topic of what gun laws could do, police told reporters there was some law enforcement contact with this shooter before the shooting actually happened. do you have any insight into the nature of those interactions? whether or not your state's red flag law should have been invoked. >> unfortunately, since this is an active investigation, i am not able to comment on that. is there anything you can share about what the suspect is telling police right now as he is in custody about his alleged role? >> again because we are still in active investigation, i'm sorry but i can't give you any further details. you were on the "today" show this morning and you talked about how you knew this person in the cub scouts. i think you said you were a pack leader, right? how does this little kid that you knew years ago square with the person in police custody today? how are you grappling with that?

>> it was a complete shock given what i knew when he was a young boy. i have not been in touch with him for many, many years in between. it is devastating that he felt that he had the right to bring this kind of terror to his hometown. >> illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. i think in 2013 you helped draft a local ordinance that would have banned assault weapons in highland park in your city. what is your message to people who may now be looking at what happened in highland park and saying effectively, hey, see tough gun laws don't make a difference either? what do you say to those critics? >> i say to those critics, we did the best we could to reflect the values of our community. and i feel they reflect the values of our nation. it is time for our national leaders to step up and to put these restrictions in place. senator duckworth was with us yesterday. she said she hadn't heard that sound since she was in iraq. she wasn't in the parade but when she watched the video, she

said this is the functional video of someone in combat. we as a community passed a law we reflect the values we shared here. we are all tired. we are tired of being afraid. we are tired of being held hostage by these weapons. and it is time somebody steps up and said you know, we can't keep living like this. if you are going to celebrate a day that reflects the freedoms of our country and you can't enjoy a parade without being afraid for your life, that is not freedom at all. that is a horrible situation. we did what we could within the confines of the law. there are plenty of opportunities for our legislators and leaders to put these in place. frankly when you are surrounded by states like indiana and missouri it needs to be a national approach. i have heard you talk about

some of the videos of the shooter that have come out the alleged shooter the person of interest since that person was named a person of interest. >> it sounded to me like you asked me what was missing from the conversation. what i think is missing from the conversation is the unbelievable devastation that a situation like this brings to a community. we you know, there is violence, and that is terrible. and you read about it, and you think wow, that was a horrible thing to happen to that community. when it arrives in your front yard and you see what an unbelievable impact it has physically on human beings and emotionally on a community, and how it is tearing these families apart, these people need to know this is not okay. nobody needs one of these weapons. i'm sorry they just don't. and it has no place in our society. and again, i just feel like that is missing from the conversation. i respect the pain of the families who are going through

all of this. but, knowing what happened to those poor children in uvalde, texas when they were confronted by that weapon and knowing what happened to several people here, people need to recognize how absolutely horrifying the situation was. >> mayor, i know preparing i'm sure for laying to rest the now seven victims of this horrific shooting in your town of highland park. madam mayor, thank you very much for being with us this afternoon. i appreciate it. we have a lot more ahead, including what else we know about the victims. we'll be live with the latest on that. also the suspect. a person of interest leaving behind a long trail of violent clues before the attack. what we are learning from that online footprint. and breaking news from former president trump's biggest supporters just getting subpoenaed in georgia's election interference investigation. we are live with those details,

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. breaking news coming out of georgia where the fulton county special grand jury investigating criminal interference in the 2020 election has now subpoenaed some key members of former president trump's inner circle. people like rudy giuliani, lindsey graham. we have reached out to giuliani and graham for response. we have not heard back. danny is with us. let me go to you first. what i think is how close this grand jury is now coming to donald trump's inner circle. these are people he talked to outrage about the election fraud in the days after the 2020 election. >> the subpoenas reference that. i think what is striking is how close this investigation is getting to the former president, but also as someone

here in washington tracking all these january 6 select committee hearings, how closely these names are now tracking with what that committee is bringing to life. the names the committee has been focused on like john eastman, like rudy giuliani, we have seen the subpoenas issued. about two phone calls he had with the secretary of state, and the witness in this case, graham questioned him and his staff about reexamining certain absentee ballots in order to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for the former president. that was the goal of the calls frankly the former president himself was making to those same individuals at the time. we are seeing lindsey graham's inclusion in this is as said to

me that they will get through it in some capacity. something that sticks out to me is part of rudy giuliani's subpoena, where they talked about something he talked about a lot in the hearings. the ideas of suitcases of pal lots. we heard testimony georgia election workers talked about how in 24 hours of rudy giuliani appearing the secretary of state's office. secretary of state's office.

s even our governor brian kemp scheduled to give videotaped interviews this month. so far we know she hasn't gone into trump's inner circle. this is the closest she has gotten so far and i'm be curious to see what she is going to get from attorney- client privilege. >> what is the move for the people who got the subpoenas, right? that essentially tell in rudy

giuliani's case a new york state board. case a new york state boar d. . [audio difficulty] . [audio difficulty] . >> she hasn't quashed the idea that she may go to donald trump herself, although right now we don't have indications of that. what we are seeing now is she is moving farther and farther away from georgia, closer and closer to trump. i'll be curious to see how close she gets to the former president. thanks to all of you. appreciate it. up next, back live to the scene of the deadly mass

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. day 140 now of wnba star brittney greiner's at the tension in russia. she is on trial now facing 10 years in prison and her family has not heard from the president, according to her wife on "cbs this morning" today after groiner begged the administration to do something to get her out of russia. joining us now is andrea mitchell. this was a vocal plea, basically. it was a very public interview, of course by cheryl groiner, talking about brittney's letter to president biden. we had the former marine on our show who was released from russia earlier this year. they told me very specific about publicizing their son's detention and how it helped them. watch. >> we went out there with our

signs and he saw us. and he said he called me and he said that he would have his staff set up a schedule for a meeting. we figured 22 days was long enough to wait so we would come here again and remind them we still needed that meeting scheduled. >> you have to thing greiner's family is working to make this issue a public one intentionally. as you and i have been talking the white house secretary has confirmed president biden has read brittney greiner's letter. that is all the details we have for now. >> what you did with the trevor reid family they were outside the event. and that worked. so cheryl greiner met with prefer and his parents just a week before last, i believe, and she said that persuaded her that the only way to get a

prisoner swap done, which is what got trevor out in april is to have the president decide and to meet with the president. because meeting with jake sullivan, meeting with people talking to secretary blinken, with anyone at the state department is not helping and that she was frustrated and she expressed that frustration very clearly in two other interviews. so they are making the point in releasing this letter on july 4 and talking about how terrified she is. the exact quote i have it here is as i sit here in a russian prison alone with my thoughts and without the protection of my wife, at that. ly, friends, olympic jersey or any accomplishments, i'm terrified i might be here forever and in fact 99% of the people who go on trial in russia, where there is no presumption of innocence, it is not the criminal justice system as we know it, 99% are convicted. so she is right to fear she is facing 10 years in jail in a russian prison. as she goes to and from trial

she is in a cage. she is 6'9", her knees are bent up under her chin. she can't work out. this is the prime of her career. she is 31. the only reason she is within russia is they don't make enough money in the wnba to take care of their families. so they go and make a lot of money you know, around europe and playing for russian teams in the off season. that is another of the inequities that leads to their frustration, of course. the larger issue. but on this specific issue, they are making it very clear they want a prisoner swap and she is making it clear in her letter she wants him to intervene and at the highest level and that is what it would take to get what the kremlin wants, which is a notorious arms dealer and vladimir putin, according to mike mcfaul wants victor boot out and he has already served a good 10 years of a 25-year sentence. the white house press secretary saying she was in the

room with president biden as he read brittney greiner's letter. she has no readout on whether there will be a meeting with the family and president biden. talking about what is important here, the mechanism to try to get greiner out of russia if it were to be a prisoner swap and the victor factor. >> what is suggested in this letter is then all three out. it would have to be a pretty big trade to trade for victor boot. so the thought is the administration might not do a one for one, but getting all three americans out, mcfaul says it will be worth it. he was approached with all kinds of issues, and he said he would make that trade. as hard a decision as it is. you know, the guy who was in jail that was traded for trevor was convicted of drug smuggling. he was a pilot. victor is an internationally known arms dealer, dealing with

terrorists. but if you are the president of the united states, that is the kind of decision you are going to have to make and there is a lot of pressure. the reverend al sharpton saying he and other faith leaders want the state department and the president to help them get to moscow to russia where her yale and pray with her because they are so concerned about her spiritual, physical and mental well-being. that is a lot of pressure on the president. >> andrea, thank you for that insight. i appreciate it as we are getting live updates in from the white house even as we speak. the shooting on highland park illinois now, with at least nine people still in one local hospital system after the shooting that left now seven people dead as we learned within the last 40 minutes. police say at least 30 people were hurt by the gunshots in addition to those who were killing. bring us up to speed. the mayor confirmed it is her

understanding the seventh person is somebody who died in the hospital recently after the other six individuals died either at the scene or at the hospital yesterday. you now have this number of seven people killed, dozens of others who were hurt, some of them still critically injured and recovering. >> reporter: yeah and all those folks in the hospital, we know that one of them, at least one, is a pediatric patient. a child. and police here confirmed a few hours agatha all of the people who went to the hospital, those that are still there in critical condition or recovering and those that went for injuries to be treated, all of them were injured, they all had gunshot wounds. i got here earlier this morning and last night i was going to bed in new york, and i was listening all night long to the sound of fireworks. and i couldn't help but think what that sound means to the people in this community now. because the folks i have been talking to all initially thought that they were hearing the sound of fireworks or something related to the

parade. folks like emily, a mom of two, who was there. she is a highland park lifelong resident. she has been going to this parade every single year as long as she can remember. she was there with her husband and her two daughters, and describes the horror, the panic, the chaos that ensued after they realized what that sound actually was. that it was happening. that this was real. that there was a gunman opening fire on her community. she ended up being separated from her husband, from onech her daughters. she was with her 5-year-old. they found shelter at a storefront that was open. they ended up hiding in a single occupancy bathroom for two hours, her and her 5-year- old with 16 other people. take a listen to some of what she told me. >> i thought we were going to die. i honestly that is what i thought. i thought i came to the safest place on earth on the day to celebrate our freedom and i all

of a sudden was running for my life. and i'm a doctor. so i'm used to protecting people and this was a time when all i could do was protect my children. and no room to protect others. emily described this community as pleasantville. it is idyllic, it is tightly knit. while there was a lot of shock for the people i spoke with, there wasn't a lot of surprise. there wasn't an attitude of it can't happen here. because they have seen, people have seen so many of these stories in communities across the country on the news, they were shocked, but not surprised that it did finally happen here. there is anger, and there is frustration, and there is just deep, deep devastation here today. live for us in illinois. thank you. up next, we are learning more about what the suspected shooter in illinois was doing online. the deeper look at the internet communities he belonged to and

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. what you are seeing now is the new trailer obtained exclusively by politico of the new documentary about the trump family. parts of hours the director handed over to the select committee looking into the

insurrection. the director, alex holder had unprecedented access to the family during former president trump's final months in office and on january 9. joining us now is senior political reporter, the committee is still planning to move forward with public hearings despite threats laid out. do we know anything else about future hearings? >> that was some pretty horrific language in that full compilation what i listened to. what you played there was just the tip of the iceberg. beyond that was some language we cannot play on this network. it proves how fraught the investigation is. driven by the fact that former president trump has not conceded his defeat in the 2020 election and some of his most fervent reporters steam to be reacting in this manner. the chairman of the committee bennie thompson has said it is not driven from the committee itself. this is between members and capitol police. he noticed some members of the

earlier impeachment team had additional security around them as a result of threats. but again that is between the members and the capitol police. before the fourth of july recess, the chairman thompson said he was planning to hold an additional two hearings in july. that appears to be in addition to that surprise hearing featuring that explosive testimony of cassidy hutches inson. some members of the committee have previewed what that would entail. it would be the details of the assembling of the mob who organized and financed and is participated in the stop the steel violence. and adam schiff a member of the committee said one of the hearings is going to focus on former president trump, what did he know? when did he know it? and most importantly what did he not do? that is where some of the alex holder documentary footage could feature in. he seemed to get some up close and personal access to trump and his family members at the time. beyond that the committee has not specified what dates the

hearings will be held, although they are expected to happen this month. so thank you very much for that. one day after the shooting in highland park, there is still the question, how shooti. he left behind a trail of hooti. evidence, rap videos, music videos depicting mass murder, discord chat filled with grim memes. violent and disturbing material on other online message boards too. twitter where the person of interest was active, the alleged shooter before the killings is out with a statement today saying they are, quote, proactively removing vie lowtive content in relationship to the shooting. nbc news has taken a closer look at the person's online life and what that's telling us about yesterday's shooting. i want to bring in nbc senior reporter ben collin, the author of that piece, who lives basically in the dark corners of the internet. it seems that this individual was absolutely swamped inside of

those dark corners too. i want to just sort of start this conversation with you, and i'm glad to be able to talk to you about this. by acknowledging that there have been calls to not talk about this, to not draw attention to the content that mass murderers are putting online out of fear it could inspire others, talk about why you feel based on your reporting and the experts you're talking to that it's important to understand the online profiles of these people? >> i understand those calls, and this is a difficult conversation to have. we tried doing this the other way. we tried to avoid this, and it grew exponentially because that's how the world works now, that's how the internet works. this is a thriving subculture in the internet world that will lionize murderers. and they try to one up them basically, and they find community in this sort of nihilism and doomerism on the internet where they don't have any community in real life, and that's exactly what you saw here was a person obsessed with mass

murder and had been for years. it was a person who was posting to basically message boards, posting videos of death and violence and mass murder, and posting his own sort of fantasies as music videos, as a rapper of him shooting up schools and getting into shootouts with the police. he did this because he had a community online that, you know, i would say agitated this, pushed it forward, whereas people in his life did not pay attention to this. people in his life either ignored him or were willfully turning a blind eye to it. so the place where he found his identity was on the internet, and the places that he was on on the internet pushed him constantly towards the idea that mass murder is part of that identity. >> talk more about that. you made the point that your reporting illustrates that this is not like a lone wolf thing. at least from the operations online, more like a terror cell

frankly, and why that's important to try to shift perspective about online extremism and people who are radicalized on the internet. >> yeah, i think there's this idea that this is some sort of binary political thing, and it's not. these are people who are lionizing mass killers. they called dylann roof the charleston shooter, they call him saint roof in some of these spaces. it's like a cult of death. that's what's going on in these spaces right now. while you can get radicalized from certain political elements and start off on a far right board and end up in this space, it is basically a chaotic world view. it's a world view of constant death and annihilation, and that's what's going on here. we have to start looking at this as the same sort of terror foundation as a thing like isis. they don't want to be labeled because they know when they're labeled like the proud boys or something like that, then there will be more feds watching them. there will be more people chasing them down and asking them if they're for real about

this. they are extremely aware of what to say and what not to say online, what constitutes art or speech, and what constitutes a threat. we have to start paying attention to this stuff. it's unfortunately a big part of the subculture for nihilists and doomers who are young and looking for a way out. >> you wrote in your piece that the shooter's discord channel was up, the alleged shooter, this person of interest had a discord channel that was up for hours, which drew in these 4chan trolls who were celebrating this whole thing. it wasn't until like 6:00 eastern time yesterday. you saw in may the person who killed ten people at buffalo managed to live stream that attack for more than two minutes on twitch before it was taken down. as you know, even when a video's taken down it kind of lives forever in some corners of the internet. what else is the onus on some of these social media and online companies to do more here? >> well, right now they're not doing anything. you know, we have to view this as -- to these people, this is content. to some of these people, their

manifesto or whatever, is the live stream. it's the video they put out of them committing that murder. it's the video of them telegraphing that murder or the posts that they put out before hand. it's too decentralized, though, and that's the point. this guy was on every available network. he was on spotify. he was on youtube. you know, he was on message boards i had never heard of, and i cover this stuff -- i cover the worst websites you can imagine. even if he were to be deleted from youtube, we were scrambling to, you know, see all of his videos before they were taken down. they're still going to be on these smaller like snuff sites as well. we are in a -- we're in a -- i don't know how to fix this from a content perspective. it's not fixable from that perspective right now. you know, right now you have to focus on the things that prevent people from murdering people, so the radicalization side and the gun side, that seems a lot more fixable than getting people to

stop posting what they feel on youtube. >> ben collins, thank you so much for your insights, for your reporting on this. i think it's important to have you on, important to have you talk about it. appreciate it. we should mention that sometime in the next few minutes, we're expecting another update from police in highland park. an hour ago, the sheriff's office confirmed that nbc news that a seventh person was killed in the attack. you're looking live at the location where that press conference will happen. you heard the mayor say here live with us that this was the seventh victim was somebody who died at the hospital, based on her understanding. we're still waiting for some answers on any charges, which charges this person of interest will face, and any new details on a possible motive and then of course an update on the victims who are still in area hospitals. stay with msnbc for the latest information from the chicago suburbs. appreciate you watching this hour of msnbc. you can find us on twitter as always @hallieonmsnbc, and i'll see you over on our streaming channel in about an hour. "deadline white house" starts just after the break. bout an hor

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