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of black and brown people by police at such a disproportionate number. there's no way to get around it. until we are willing or until we have a conversation about the role that race plays in these incidents, there is no resolution to them. and i will predict that we will be back in this place again shortly having another discussion about another black man shot in a similar way in short order, if god spares our life. >> marq claxton, thank you very much. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- [ gunfire ] >> what the hell is happening in
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this country? but it's not just the mass murders. there are so many other reasons for the constant fear and dread that we're all feeling. one of those reasons, the latest case of police overkill. a 25-year-old black man named jayland walker, killed in akron by 60 bullet wounds as he ran from police. also tonight, a major development in fulton county's investigation in trump's efforts to find enough votes to steal georgia. new details about the next jap 6th hearing. we begin with this very strange place that we find ourselves in on the day after july 4th, independence day. a day that turned out to be tragic and violent for the community of highland park, illinois. where seven people died and almost 40 were injured in approximately the 319th mass shooting so far this year. on our way to another record. the young white male shooter, who previously posted creepy videos seeming to set the stage for his act of terrorism was charged tonight with seven counts of first-degree murder
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after taking up a position on a rooftop with a high-powered rifle and aiming down at a fourth of july parade. here's nbc's jay gray. >> reporter: more than 70 rounds fired from a high-powered rifle, raining down on families gathering for a fourth of july parade. the panic a day later, replaced by an eerie silence and haunting images of chairs and children's toys left behind by those rushing to escape the killing spree. messages in chalk from children who are there but can't fully understand, their parents now caught in the emotional crossfire. >> mentally exhausted, mentally shooken, anxious, scared, fearful and enraged. this will be running through our heads for -- forever because it is a nightmare that is stuck in our heads forever. >> police said today in 2019 a family member reported the suspect, telling police that he said he was going to, quote,
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kill everyone. the police removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from his home. however, he was still able to legally purchase multiple weapons after that, including the ar-15 style weapon he used to fire 70 shots into a crowd. police say they have not determined a motive yet. meanwhile in boston, the khaki-wearing marching patriot front marched through on saturday. yesterday citizens in akron, ohio, protested the truly shocking 90-shot overkill of a doordash delivery driver named jayland walker who was 25 years old and who died unarmed with 60 bullet holes in his body after police say they saw a gun dischargeded from his vehicle. a warning, this video is unsettling. >> show me your hands! show me your hands! me your hans
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[ gunfire ] >> all of this as more than 100 million women and queer folks with uteruses too woke up to another day in america, basically as state property in the more than 20 fully or partially republican-controlled states that the supreme court's conservative majority unleashed to literally take physical control of half the population. the court majority is flexing its unelected power rather brazenly to seemingly a religious agenda. that is unprecedented in a country that's separated from the crown that leads a national church. and it's not just them. their party, the republican party, spent the past few days asserting that little girls, 10-year-old little girls who have been raped should bear the children of their rapists. this is an actual 10-year-old girl from ohio who had been
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raped by a relative and who had to be taken to indiana to terminate a pregnancy, which was the result of the abuse. indiana has not shut abortion rights down yet. it is still a free state for now. america's 10-year-olds are also at the mercy of mass shooters when they walk into their fourth grade classrooms because this court has decreed that guns have more rights than children or women. police thought their lives were in danger. in florida today college professors are required to submit to the government their political leanings so supreme chairman ron desantis can declare himself satisfied that there are enough right-thinking men and women on staff. teachers who are gay or lesbian or bi have been forced back into the closet for fear of violating the "don't say gay" law. trans people are under brazen attack with desantis floating the idea of ordering child
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protective services to investigate parents who take kids to drag queen story time. schools are being stripped of history lessons while teachers are being told in summer training sessions in florida, the unfree state of florida, that the slave-holding founding fathers hated slavery and there is no separation of christian church and state. florida is just one of the red states waging this particular cultural revolution. america is in a very different place in july of 2022 than it was even a year ago. we are less free, we are less safe at the store, at school, in church, at a parade. we are further down the road to authoritarianism and living in a constant state of terror. oh, yes, and our former president very nearly pulled off a coup supported by a majority of his party. and the same arch conservatives on the supreme court who threaten the freedom to marry, to purchase birth control, and to vote are poised to decide a case that could make the next republican coup legal.
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now for the really bad news. it is not clear that our current politics is capable of stopping any of this, of turning it around and giving us an actual independence day. so what are we supposed to do? tonight we're going to walk you through some of these stories and try to make sense of them in search of that answer. starting with that july 4th horror in illinois. and with me now is nbc news senior reporter ben collins, jill wine-banks and rosa brooks, author of "tangled up in blue, policing the american city." thank you all for being here. jill wine-banks i understand you are from not far away from this catastrophe that took place in illinois. they have released the names of the victims. i'll put their names up. your thoughts on just this constant state of terror and fear that has stalked your
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community now and is simply stalking all of us. >> as everybody in the country feels, it really hurts when it hits so close to home. i know people who were shot. i know one person who died. i shouldn't say i actually know her, but friends of mine are friends of hers. she was a member of their temple. and it is very distressing to see this. i know someone who saved a child who was wandering bloody, and it turned out he was taken away from them by his grandparents because his father was killed in the shooting. and it's time to say that no one in america needs an assault weapon. it's something the military needs. it is not something that people need. and whatever mental issues the shooter here had, and it's clear
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that he did, even if he didn't, he didn't need that gun. he got it legally. so it is time to say that the laws that we've passed are not adequate. we need additional laws. and i personally am going to become much more involved in helping to make sure that our laws are changed. illinois isn't bad, but the rest of the country needs to really stop this. many of the guns in illinois come from indiana, where the laws are very lax. >> and, you know, rosa, that is something you hear often from -- when the right tries to go after chicago. this is a suburb of chicago. it didn't take place in chicago. they say oh, chicago, chicago, chicago, which is not the most unsafe city in america, but they use that as a crutch. but there is no city that's not chicago, right? whatever you want to think of cities that have a lot of unfortunate gun death, it's everywhere. there is no safe place to go. this is a very affluent, largely
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jewish suburb. the kind of idyllic kind of place you would think of in america. you're not safe there. you're not safe in uvalde, texas. you're not safe literally anywhere. buffalo, new york in, a store. and so tom nichols wrote a piece where this is terrorism in the sense it does the same thing terrorism does. you have to think is this the day when i go to the park that i'm going to get shot. you have to think about that all the time. having more police there doesn't do any good, it doesn't change anything. what do you make of we now live at the mercy of whoever can go to the store and buy an ar-15 and decide to shoot whoever is available? >> yeah, you know, joy, i've worked in conflict zones around the world. and i was thinking as you showed the footage from highland park, i was thinking, boy, those sounds are like the sounds you hear in war zones. and there are people all over the world who have lived during
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armed conflicts and when does the mortar fall on your house, when does the soldier or the tank come down the street and just kill you. we are now living in that world too and we have brought it on ourselves. we can't say, oops, it's the russians' fault, they shouldn't have invaded us. or oops, this is al qaeda. this is us. this is 100% us and it's because we are essentially slaves to a document that was written more than 230 years ago by a tiny group of white slave-owning men. and we cannot break out of the bondage that we have imposed on ourself from feeling like we have to -- everything by our supreme court is decided in reference to this ancient document which is just not serving us well. it is causing enormous problems and enormous tragedies at this point. >> you know, ben, i've been reading a couple of great pieces
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on nbcnews.com, i hope people will read them. one of the things the founding fathers did not anticipate is sort of where a good chunk of a certain demographic of americans are mentally and emotionally right now. i remember back in the '80s when the faces of death video circulated around, this thing that was online that people would sort of ghoulishly watch. there is like a cultural attraction to that among a certain demographic of young men. if you look at the demographics of these mass shooters, they kind of track. these are young men between 18 and 22, largely young white men. there's a lot of them in the incel community meaning they can't get any sexual relationships going. they're sort of loser types that you could stereotype them as and they have a fixation of violence, of watching other people commit violence and then repeating and re-enacting that
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kind of violence. can you talk a little bit about that? this guy had like trump affinities, but it's not like trumpism, it's not trump, it's something bigger than that. >> yeah, joy, the difference is faces of death after you watch faces of death you didn't immediately go to a place where tens of thousands of other people were there to comment on it and say maybe we could do this thing from faces of death. that was the difference between the '80s and now. we have the internet now. these people who are otherwise literally disconnected from everyday life find a community in that space instead. find a community in the mass murder space. have idols, you know. this guy is like michael jordan is a dylann roof figure. the people he was idolizing and comparing statistics to were mass killers. that's the difference here. he's protected. he's more protected than the guy walking down the street at that parade, right? you know, the police visit him a
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couple of times, took away his swords, he still bought more guns. he is very -- he was able to do exactly what he wanted to do. he had months to plan it. his last video where he posted a graphic depiction of being shot by the police after shooting up a school, you know, where he rented a set to do that and dropped bullets in the school and someone videotaped him doing that and nobody said anything? that was in january. that kid is the kid that america is protecting right now. we're not protecting the kid who is walking around, the 2-year-old who's walking around looking for his mom and dad who literally were murdered like kevin mccarthy, at that parade or protecting the guy who is doing the mass killing with our documents, with our law. until the very moment he does the killing. so we have to rethink this, because nobody -- even the young people that i know that want this to change, they are not seeing anything possible to stop it.
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they know exactly what's happening. they know that kid is more protected than they are. and they don't know how to stop it because no leader is saying here are some things we can do. there's nobody in this country right now who has the ability or has the ideas to stop this. but there are plenty of people trying to perpetuate this, to make money off of it, run for office off of it. all of those things are still available. they continue the grief and continue the pain in this country. you can still make money on that. you cannot run for office, make money or do good in this country trying to provide solutions. you just get harassed, that's all it is. >> rosa, people don't understand that you can literally walk into a sporting goods store and buy a semiautomatic rifle because rifles are less regulated than pistols. if you wanted to commit some mayhem with a pistol, it's very hard, you don't with this. so partly it is the laws. there have always been unstable people who have weird fettishes for violence and have dark
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thoughts. but this is the only country where somebody who thinks like that can literally within five minutes and all they need is their i.d. get their most deadly weapons. they couldn't accomplish it with a pistol because they wouldn't be able to get it. >> no, it's completely crazy. the theory behind rifles being more readily available than handguns is that they're used for legitimate things such as hunting. but nobody is hunting deer with an ar-15. if you hunt a deer with an ar-15 you're going to have hamburger. the harm that people can do with things like ar-15s is staggering. you talk to military veterans, talk to police officers, and they will all say these are weapons of war essentially. these are not weapons that people are using for any legitimate purpose. they are weapons that people use to commit mass slaughter, period.
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>> very quickly, before we go, ben, i just am coming back to you one more time. law enforcement isn't understanding this, right? everyone is trying to look for a way to back pedal and fix in reverse, you know, whether it's gun laws, et cetera. people an't underanding these cos anyone watching them and is there anything that you can do? with the first amendment out there, it's very difficult to police this stuff. >> i think they're just catching up to white nationalist groups like patriot front or proud boys who stupidly admit who they are, wear uniforms and get in the back of u-hauls. that is pretty easy to track. they have marked message boards where they know exactly where they're going if you are the feds. this is very different. these are people who think that they are lone wolves. they are not. they all think the same and all do the same terror acts. so there's no single nomenclature for this. it's a difficult law enforcement struggle. >> it is, and it's domestic
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terrorism and doing what terrorism does, having everyone feeling constantly terrified. thank you all very much. up next on "the reidout" a lot of unanswered questions from police in akron, ohio. but one thing we do know, a young black man who was running away from police is dead from 60 bullet wounds. "the reidout" continues after this. wounds. "the reidout" continues after this the unknown is not empty. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry. but one thing can calm uncertainty.
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over yet another deadly police shooting of a black man in this country. body cam footage shows eight officers on foot in pursuit of jayland walker before unloading their service weapons on him. this followed a brief high-speed car chase over a traffic violation in which the officers allege they saw a muzzle flash from walker's vehicle. here's the body cam footage. it's disturbing. >> show me your hands! show me your hands! show me your hands! [ gunfire ] >> an attorney for the walker family says officers fired 90 times. authorities say he suffered 60 wounds. that is 60, 60 wounds. those officers involved have been placed on administrative leave, according to department policy. at the press conference the
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police department which should sound like a familiar claim, that the doordash driver moved into a firing position which was a waste of time since he was unarmed. while a gun that was found in his vehicle which happens to be legal in the open carry state of ohio. even while he was lying on the ground riddled with bullets, the officers who emptied their clips on him placed him in handcuffs as if while dying he somehow posed a threat to them. joining me now, jelatta, former detroit police chief ralph godby. thank you both for being here. let's talk about how the community is dealing with this nightmare. >> well, thank you, joy, for having me. first of all, i'm in youngstown, we're 48 miles from akron. i'm actually there a lot.
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i was just there two weeks ago for an event. it's -- it's just unreal. and for those of us who are active in the community and who have been dealing with the whole issue of community and police relationships for quite some time, this is just another example of how a black individual is treated differently than a white individual. we just watched someone who shot into a parade and killed six people, was taken without violence. a young black man on a traffic stop somehow posed a threat and was killed, gunned down with over 60 wounds to his body. >> let me play a protester outside of the mayor of akron's home saying that very thing today. >> right or wrong, he didn't deserve to be shot 66 times like that. i mean for a traffic stop, really? you have to gun him down? get his license plate and run it and then you can pick it up later. you didn't have to chase him down the expressway. >> ralph, former police chief,
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this is something that must be explained because it makes no sense to anyone that i can think of why you would need eight officers to pursue someone for a traffic stop, even if this ethought they saw a muzzle go off in the car. you're following the car, which means you know the license plate number. if he gets out and runs, simply running from you is not a reason to literally open your clip that many times. 90 shots fired for one guy running away from you on foot? make it make sense. >> joy, you cannot make sense out of nonsense. and you're going to hear a lot of police speak, fear for my life, i thought he had a weapon. but the actual facts don't support the narrative. and it's amazing that the people that write the narrative are the living officers, and the dead assailants or suspects, citizens that are african american, they don't get a chance to speak their reality. it is just unfathomable to have
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90 shots fired. we're talking about 60 that took effect, because legally those officers have to account for every single round, and the intent with that round that comes out of those guns. so you've got to account for 90 shots, number one. second, and i think most importantly, eight officers fired, but five officers didn't. i'm always interested to know why the five didn't, because seven of the eight officers that fired their guns, if reports are correct, they had less than four years on the job. we can't afford to have adrenaline junkies with guns that go on police chases for a broken taillight and it ends in the death of a citizen. the death penalty is not what's prescribed for a traffic violation. and it's nonsense, joy. there has to be some type of national intervention because you keep seeing this same scenario over and over and over again. you do the same thing the same
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way, expecting a different result, is insanity. police leadership has to stand up with this as well. we have to be held accountable because you just can't make sense out of this. >> to stay with you just a moment, chief godbee, the thick that brings the uvalde case and the akron case together is that in both instances, you saw police acting for the same stated reason. >> yes. >> that they feared for their lives. >> right. >> police said they wouldn't go in in uvalde because that guy had a gun, we could have gotten shot. one of the police officers just came out and said that on tv. in this case they're saying, well, he made a movement, he seemed to be bending, we feared for our lives. there was no threat to the community in the case of jayland walker. he didn't threaten anybody but them. in the case of uvalde they said we're not going in there with those kids because we could get shot. can you explain -- >> joy, we can't have it both ways. >> how are police allowed to
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prioritize their own lives over the lives of the public? >> well, we've made the articulation for a justifiable shooting so tilted heavily in favor of the officers. joy, there's another point that we cannot ignore, and your guest said it very articulately. the white assailant that killed seven people, injured another 30 with a semiautomatic rifle, he's taken into custody without incident. the black person who did not have a weapon on him is killed, and he did not cause the level of harm or any harm that is known to the community that the other shooter did. so you've got to look at race. that's the only differentiating factor is the race of the two people. and this is important, because the fbi articulated that there's an infiltration of white supremacists in law enforcement. the majority of law enforcement in this country are white males. there has to be a purging and it
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has to start at the national level. we cannot just continue to say it's the officer's fault. it's the system's fault. if we don't fix the system, we're going to keep getting the same results over and over again. race absolutely matters in these cases. >> and for those who try to say, well, you know, the shooter in illinois surrendered to police. no, he also ran from police. he also fled from police. they just didn't murder him. ms. aslam, i'll give you the last word on this. what does the community want to see? calling for more training, for more funding, that sounds like a completely empty request because this is the training. this is the training. from people you've spoken with in the community, i know you've been in touch with the local naacp and others, what do they want to see happen? is this going to be another lawsuit, another settlement, more taxpayer money being paid because of the police misconduct? >> well, i think part of it is what mr. godbee just said was, you know, you need to look at who's on your force.
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i mean i think that they need to be very, very restricted about who becomes a police officer. some of the officers that were involved in george floyd's murder literally just stopped working at a fast food restaurant and now they're making a decision about whether someone's life matters enough to take them into custody versus kneeling on his neck and killing him. i can tell you that we here in the youngstown area, we've had discussions with the police community over the last year about trying to improve community and police relations, trying to improve, you know, the tactics that they use and real talk about accountability. and for the most part it's been going well, but for me as a black mother, despite all my community activity, explain to me why jayland, who is that same age as my son, i have a 25-year-old son -- >> and me.
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>> explain why my son's life is not important. there's no justification for this. >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. if you need to unload your clip at somebody because they're running from you, you probably should find a different profession because you really should not be a police officer. i'm sorry, i wish we had more time. still ahead, big developments in the january 6 investigations, including grand jury subpoenas for some of trump's closest allies in fulton county, georgia. stay with us. osest allies in fun county, georgia. stay with us for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis
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we have breaking news from the house january 6th committee tonight, which announced a date for the panel's next public hearing, a week from today on july 12th. adam schiff previewed the topic. >> our very next hearing will be focused on the efforts to assemble that mob on the mall, who was participating, who was financing it, how it was organized, including the participation of these white nationalist groups like the proud boys, the 3%ers and others. >> it comes as another investigation into attempts to overthrow our democracy took a huge step forward. a fulton county, georgia, special grand jury investigating team maga's interference in georgia's 2020 election issued subpoenas to senator lindsey graham and rudy giuliani. in addition, several key members of the former president's legal team including john eastman, jenna ellis, cleata mitchell and
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conservative pundit jackie pick-decent. the probe was launched in february of last year. today's subpoenas are the closest the 23-member grand jury have gotten to the former president's inner circle. the grand jury cited giuliani's 2020 testimony citing false evidence of voter fraud. as for lindsay graham, the subpoena noted that he made two calls to secretary of state brad raffensperger and his staff about re-examining certain absentee ballots cast in order to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for former president donald trump. i'm joined by maya wiley. let's go to the subpoena to rudy giuliani. i want to start -- we're going to circle back to january 6th but let's go to this georgia set of subpoenas. there is evidence that the witness's appearance and testimony at the hearing was part of a multi-state coordinated plan to influence the results of the 2020 election
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in georgian elsewhere. what do you make of these subpoenas not only of rudy giuliani and john eastman and jenna ellis, but also of senator lindsey graham? >> well, look, what we're seeing is a criminal investigation that started inside georgia talking to the folks who are witnesses, the folks who received the phone calls and the pressure tactics from trump and his allies, right? and we know that rudy giuliani actively engaged in the discussions that led up to january 6th. we know that from any number of places but also from his testimony that the georgia legislature rejected. and we know in addition, i mean this is -- remember, there's also the civil lawsuits going on, which is the defamation suits against rudy giuliani for claiming that the dominion voting machines were basically a part of a conspiracy to ensure that donald trump didn't win the election he lost. but what we know from his
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deposition is that he made it clear he didn't have any facts to support the claims and the conspiracy theories he was making to the georgia legislature to do something outrageous. tell them to do something they didn't have the power to do, which was interfere with the governor's certification of an election. so it is -- >> let me just -- >> absolutely. let me just remind folks of what they brought. this is ruby freeman's testimony about being targeted by jewel op giuliani and trump. >> i've lost my name, i've lost my reputation, i've lost my sense of security, all because a group of people, starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shay. to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> i'm wondering if down the
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road people like giuliani and trump and maybe even lindsey graham who participated in this charade could face civil litigation, could face civil liability for what they did to somebody like ruby freeman and her daughter? >> they certainly could, absolutely. but here's the thing. you know, there's a question under georgia law about whether this is tampering with a poll worker. i don't know how the grand jury or district attorney will view it, but it is a crime. part what this grand jury is investigating could be anything from solicitation of election fraud, but that includes predicate crimes that might be a racketeering charge. there is a georgia racketeering law. that racketeering law, the supreme court of georgia has said can apply to an elected official trying to hold on to their seat. that means that there could be -- this could be considered an enterprise for racketeering purposes, and this could be one of the predicate acts is the
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intimidation of poll workers. >> let's go to the january 6th commission. cassidy hutchinson, this is what she said in her deposition about the proud boys and the oath keepers. take a look. >> i recall hearing the word oath keeper and hearing the word proud boys closer to the planning of the january 6th rally when mr. giuliani would be around. >> now, if the hearings then moved to that, if that's what we're going to be looking at, if that's what we're looking at in the next hearings, how much would the previous hearings that tied trump directly to the violence, to him knowing that these were armed people, how much liability does that place at his door, criminal liability potentially? >> well, look, there's already a ream of evidence that suggests the crime of interfering and obstructing congress doing its job, right, that's the vote count. i think the thing here is you could imagine, you know, any kind of solicitation to sedition
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as a possible charge or charges. remember that donald trump, it's really astounding, that donald trump during the campaign called on the proud boys. we know that roger stone, who was part of his inner circle on the events organizing january 6th, they were hisdence there. >> stand back and stand by is c. maya wiley, thank you very much. brittney griner appeals to president biden saying she is terrified she may never make it home. we're back in a sec. ver make it gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. home we're back in a sec.
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words like that lightly. that means that she truly is terrified that she may never see us again and i share those same sentiments. >> griner has been detained in russia more than four and a half months after being arrested in a moscow airport for allegedly, allegedly, for possessing cannabis vape cart ridges. she faces up to ten years in prison and is expected back in court for a second hearing thursday. i'm joins by erin haines. erin, this letter was heart breaking. on the fourth of july, our family normally honors the service of those who fought for our freedom, including my father who is a vietnam war veteran. it hurts thinking about how i usually celebrate this day because freedom means something completely different to me this year. has this letter to your knowledge been received by the white house? and what do brittney griner's family and friends want biden to directly do? >> well, joy, i spokesperson with the national security council yesterday reiterated their support for brittney
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griner, said that they would be -- that they have been and will continue to work mightily to get her out of russian detention. but obviously these negotiations are very precarious, very -- a lot is hanging in the balance. it's -- you know, and yet, she is on her hundred and 38-day, adam, today of russian tension. she is back in court on thursday for a trial that we know is probably going to last at least a couple of months. and from there, a conviction,
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and who knows how long she may still have to be in russia. >> the family, and even when i spoke with her wife, cherelle, they make the point that intervention by the president directly and meeting with the present directly's would help get trevor -- home who was detained in russia for years. that's why they want the personal meeting. reverend al sharpton has called for a prayer visit he's urging secretary blinken to bring himself and face litters to russia -- so we can pray over britney in person in prison. so they can see her and speak with her. but you've had other people who have barren very critical, griner's coach. vanessa nygard has compared situation to -- saying if it was lebron james, he would be home. it's a statement but the values of women, the value of black people. the value of a gay person. all of those things, it hurts a little bit more. the family seems to understand that meeting the president personally is a thing that gets them over the top.
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do they also, are they also thinking about the cost, right? there was a trade for trevor reed. and the person that allegedly russia wants to trade brittney griner for is a pretty got -- bad guy. do they understand the full ramification of that? of a trade? >> yes. but they also understand that that is a lot of times how this works. and that it is not necessarily a pure process in terms of treating with someone who maybe equals us in terms of how we think about democracy, how even think about how the legal system works. this russian drug court is very different from anything we would see over here today. as i'm sure cheryl granic could tell us, someone who is studying for the bar even as we speak. -- you have, certainly, high profile people try to raise awareness around the fact that, yes, if britney griner was one of our male athletes are
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superstars, would we even be here raising that question? this week presents a huge opportunity for momentum around awareness and potentially action around -- you have britney griner sending this letter directly to the president. her teammate is going to have a rally for her on wednesday. she is -- and in the wnba all-star game is coming up this sunday. what are they going to be doing on her behalf to raise awareness on this case? >> one would think the meeting would happen -- about 1000 black women are demanding to at least meet with the family and do that direct meeting. erin haines, thank you very much. up, next a horrifying glimpse of america's new post roe -- rape victim ten year old -- is victimized again by her state. is victimized again by her state. state. watch your stress, wear sunscreen... but to live to 150, we're developing solutions
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year old, still playing with fidget toys and tablets to carry her father or her brother's child to term. forcing her to travel across state lines for an abortion. and yet, here we are. already, a ten year old rape victim had to travel to indiana for the procedure after ohio's six-week trigger brett -- ban came into effect. over and brazil, where abortion is highly restricted, another ten year old rape victim was urged to continue the pregnancy. the judge asking, could the girl stand to be pregnant a little while longer? -- although the case appeared in brazil, it's a glimpse of the cruelty already emerging right here at home. but what lies ahead is not just about returning to the pre roe era. it's actually far worse. due in part to technology. as gia tolentino role in the new yorker, search history, browsing history, text messages, location data, payment data, information from period tracking apps, prosecutors can examine a lot of it if they believe a loss of a may be deliberate.
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it's also worse because increasingly open radicalism. by the christian nationalists right. we are mostly men push bounty hunters of western bands, that leave little to no mercy for child rape victims. who must now endure labor and childbirth. one of the most painful physical trauma as a body can endure, with all the potential medical complications. the risk of dying, which is much higher here in america than in others developed countries. let alone the psychological damage. because the cruelty is the point. and the trauma can be irreversible. particularly for a child. something jamie beverley -- noted in the harrowing story she shared at a reproduction rights rally in paxville, kentucky. >> when i was -- a nurse i watched an 11 year old girl give birth to a baby -- i saw -- i saw a heart attacks, i saw
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cancer, i saw horrific things. but i never saw anything more brutal, more unbelievable, then watching an 11-year-old girl give birth. >> if shame are possible, these people should be absolutely ashamed. that's tonight's read out. all in chris hayes starts now. be absolutel ashamed. tonight on all in. >> i'm not joking. i am sick to my stomach about what is happening -- and i think we need to talk about gun control. >> the agony of the outrage following the highland park massacre. tonight new charges and why there may actually be a case for hope. and then, >> why is a senator from south carolina calling the secretary of state from georgia anyway? >> turns out a grand jury asked the exact same question. tonight, new subpoenas for senator lindsey graham,

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