♪♪ good day. i'm chris jansing, live in highland park, illinois, where about another hour authorities said robert creama has confessed to opening fire from a rooftop, firing more than 80 times, killing seven people. police also maid a startstartli even shocking announcement. after the shooting here, he drove to maid i son, wisconsin,

contemplating a second mass shooting. >> he was driving around. he did see a celebration was occurring in madison, and he seriously contemplated using the firearm to commit another shooting in madison. >> reporter: how much ammunition did he have at that point? >> approximately 60 rounds. >> reporter: he faces seven counts, but could face many more charges here is eric reinhardt. >> there are many different charges, for individuals who were present on the scene. they were shot at. that also constitute -- every time he fires an bullet at an individual, he's committed aggravated discharge of a weapon, whether he hit someone or not. >> reporter: the question now, what can done to stop the next

mass shooting? editorial board of "the washington post" is could you will for what a lot of phones here are telling me. they said a ban on high-powered rifles, quote, how many more families need leslie have to do ripped apart? the bottom line, karima had threatened to killed people before, tried to kill himself. the police determined there was no probable cause for an arrest. back then, in 2019, he was labeled a clear and present danger, but had not back this applied for a gun. when he finally did apply, his father sponsored him. once again, the authorities determined there was nothing they could do. in all, crimo passed four background checks despite the threats, an extraordinary volume of online evidence, much of it

violent content. so there was nothing stop this 21-year-old from legally buying multiple high-powered rifles, one of which he allegedly used to commit mass murder just down the street from where i'm standing. here's what the mayor had to say about that. >> if the law is there to support the safety of the community, then we need to change those laws, because it's not doing its job, and lawfully acquired assault weapons being used that tells me our legal system needs to address this. >> nbc investigative correspondent tom -- is digging deeper, and barley likman served as deputy attorney general in the clinton administration. shaq, we're here in day two, first of all a confession, maybe another shooting could have

happened. this was a stunning press conference a short time ago. >> reporter: and we learned from disturbing details about how this could have been worse, which is hard to say when we see so many families suffering. i think they were two key moments. number one, he did not intent to leave that gun behind. prosecutors say after he fired about 83, 85 shots along the parade route, he initially ran with the gun in the bag and it fell out of the bag, and that's when he decided to leave it behind. he we aren't to his parents ease house, borrowed a car, and then he tro drove to madison, wisconsin, with a rifle in his car and about 60 rounds in his disposal. if we got in the car know, it would take us about 2 1/2 hours to get there. we didn't know the vehicle he

had, we didn't know the suspect or his picture until well into the evening he had plenty of time. >> yes, we know from the time he got off that ruse when we captured that picture, it was eight hours until he was arrested. so you're right there could broadband more damage. shaquille brewster, thank you so much. tom, reporters asked a lot of questions about potential charges for other people could be filed. the state's attorney said he had never charged someone for signing off on an application for a gun license look like the father of the suspect did. he did, though, point to a similar case in michigan, which suggests to me, tom, that at least that's something they're looking into. >> it may be, and obviously they wouldn't want to look at the

home and what the father knew and when, but a lot of charging somebody with some sort of criminal offense, and harry can speak to this better than i can, is establishing some form of intent. so i think they would have to establish that the father probably knew that his was going to get this gun license in order to commit some sort of form of matt shooting. i think it might have to go beyond in internet videos and statements. but look, that wasn't the only tool at play here. the red flag law that went into effect in illinois, if after he purchased the guns, somebody thought he was a credible threat to himself or others, somebody could have gone to the court directly. so people think law enforcement has to do this. not necessarily. illinois allows for a spouse, a

family member, a partner to make a direct petition to the court without that person's knowledge in order to ask the court, ask the judge to sign a search warrant and get the guns from somebody that they think might be an imminent threat. they can go the law enforcement route, and they can make a similar type of petition to the court. what's important there is, if you looked at the totality of his social media posts, some of the things he had put out there, the idea he had weapons and somebody knew him well, really was there an opportunity? i think it's just too soon to say, chris. i can tell you, i'm sure law enforcement are poring over all the records to determined who and what, and was there any intent? i think all three things have to line up before we think about additional persons broadband charged.

according to the suspect as own statements, there's no indicate that anybody else was actively involved in helps to plan this attack. at this point, i would see it's remote, but it's probably too soon to say that with any concern. >> harry, let's talk about the possible suspects. the state's attorney said they are going to file charges not just for the people who were killed, but for people who were shot, and for the people who were not shot. tell us about those plans for further charges. >> now that he's confessed, there was a bit of hole in the evidence about actually tagging him with the shooting. now his confession stitches that up. it's routine, i would say, in

such a notorious case, that you first get a solid charge, just to lock him up, incarcerate him and deep him there, and then working with ferret, state and local law enforcement. everything that you could to throw the book at him. that means as you say, it could le aggravated assault, perhaps there's in firearms laws, the guy had 70 rounds. who knows what is connected with madison. it's enough even if half of them wind up successful, he will never leave jail. >> as we've said, harry, he confessed, but does that necessarily prevent him to pleating not guilty by insanity? is the fact he confess cut-and-dried as people think?

>> certainly not cut and dried. you can expect litigation about whether the confession is valid. in terms of insanity, the illinois state courts use the same thing -- the same test as the federal system. that is, did he have a mental disease or defect that made him unable to appreciate the criminality of what he was doing? tough test for him to make. of course, he could plead insanity, but i think absent more, just that he's crazy in the vernacular, as you and i might think about it, is not going to get him there. it remains a possibility. in terms of the dad, by the way, i think tom is right. it's going to be very hard to make a case. but i think there will be families of victims who will wind up suing civilly and will name him. he does seem to have derelict and enabling, whether he tripped

up a specific law. on that specific law, my final point is the new federal legislation was supposed to include a ban on 18 to 21-year-olds having assault rifles like this. after all, they're not even allowed to have handguns. that proved a step too far for republicans. then there will be a lot of reflection, why didn't the red flag law that illinois does have catch this guy? it looks different and harder from this side, yesterday still there seemed to be several red flags that it at least seems tragic and poignant that they were not used to keep him from having his hands on the assault weapons. >> yeah, i can tell you, harry, again with conversations i've been having with people around here, that's something they raise here as well. tom, just before i came on the air, i talked to the man who owns the building that had the soul vailance image.

i want to play for you what he told me. >> i said, well, your camera found the killer, entering the back of the alley, leaving at 10:15 the other way, a matter of seven or eight minutes. he was identified by marot's camera and systems. with that identification, about 3:00, 3:15, the police somehow used face identification or something, and identified who it was, or somebody recognized them. within 45 minutes a patrolman pulled him over, and he was caught. >> reporter: that building, tom, is right across the street from where i'm standing. it's just an example of how police got a ton of information very fast. we're in the very early stages,

still of this investigation. what more do they want to know? >> it was quickly that they were able to piece this together. i think going forward to prove the aggravated assault is the fbi's ert team will be critically important to determine who was shot and where the rounds went. from having seen their evidence presentation, they'll use gps to come up with a complete map of that street to determine whether each round went. although detail, according to the camera video, and according to that interview you did there, he's up on the roof -- shots were reported approximately 11:14 eastern time. by 11:15 eastern time he's off

the roof. that goes to show how many rounds can be fired so quickly, and how easy it is for somebody who is relatively untrained to do the type of damage he was able to do that day. >> and you have to subtract the time up and down. the speed of it boggles the mind. tom winter, harry litman, thanks to both of you right now in this close-knit community, scores are family are suffering the unfathic am -- aiden mccarthy is one of those victims, found crying after the shooting, hidden beneath the body of his 37-year-old father, kept, and next to his 35-year-old mother iirina. he was reunited with his grandfear who told "the chicago

tribune." he said, are mommy and daddy coming soon? he doesn't understand. aiden's parents are among the seven who were killed that day. so are jacqueline sunday him, and nicholas toledo saragoza. 69-year-old eduardo uvaldo we learned is the seven upth victim. maggie vespa, we can't talk about these victims enough. we need to understand their lives, the loss, literally right down the street there was a mother and a daughter watching the parade together. tell us about them. >> reporter: katie goldstein had this conversation with lester last night, telling us she was at the parade with her moment. one of the tros striking details is she had just lost her moment. so they we're trying to cheer

themselves up and have time together, cassie, the daughter, telling lester she heard the gunshots, she's running alongside her mom, she sees her mom get shot in the chest and go down. she institute right away. she bent down and told her, i love you, but i have to keep going. unimaginable horror, again alongside her mother. at the same time she also really wanted everyone to know about how her mom will be remembered. here's a part of what cassie told lester about her mom. take a listen. >> i want to share how she was before she died. she was waving to the floats, every float that went by, she waved to them. i did everything with her. she was my best friend.

i got to have 22 years with the best mom in the world, so -- >> reporter: 22 years old and so close to her mom. you can imagine what that feels like. just saying my mom was the kind of person who waved to every float. we all know someone like that. just saying she was an amazing per, already grieving a grandmother, now grieving a mother. how has the shooting potentially shaken views of joe biden and other presidentian opponents, including democrats? but first, from what we know about the phone call president biden just had with the wife of basketball superstar brittany greiner, as she pleads to bring her home from russia. the january 6th committee,

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mike? >> it was only yesterday that we learned that bret anygreiner had directly written this her to the president, saying as she put it, i know you have a lot to do, but please don't forget about us, referring not to just herself being wrongfully detained, but other americans as well. our own team reported this morning that the responsibility could come today. right before the president departed the white house, the white house relosing this readout of a call, not just with president biden, but also vice president harris participating as well, in which they spoke to sherrelle greiner. he read the her that he has written to brit yeah briner as well.

he committed to ensuring they are provided with all possible assistance while his administration pursued every avenue to bring brit yeah home. something of a public pressure campaign on the white house will continue, as we see a rally tonight in phoenix, hosted by the phoenix mercury, the wnba team, that greiner should be playing for and that would be drawing a lot of attention, a the lo of other professional basketball players as well, and the white house getting ahead of this. >> mike, thank you so much for the update. we also have major news out of the january 6th committee's investigation. pat cippilone will appear a friday for an interview under subpoena. also, we now know the committee's next hearing will be on tuesday, july 12th, with a

big focus on extremism. once again the committee has donald trump in its sights. jamie razz kin declined to provide details, but he said it was clear no mob would have come to washington or descended on the capitol were it not for trump's direction. ali vitali is on capitol hill, and ben collins, who covers extremism. cipollone was subpoenaed, what is the commit company going to want to learn from him. >> now we know that subpoena has been extended, and we expect a transcribed and videotaped deposition to happen on friday, ultimately allowing the

committee to excel a miredial of questions. we learned this, the idea that cipollone was in many of these rooms with conversations, and then, of course, his former chief of staff mark meadows, all of these were different pockets parts of various hearings in the past. now what his taped deposition will allow them to do is use this information going forward. the idea has always been, anyone who has agreed to go before the committee, even if not appearing as a technical witness in the hearing room, is effectively a witness anyway, because they are able to use parts of the video deposition. they have masterfully wove it into all these hearings. now, as we head to another week where we expect more hearings, you wonder if this video will be part of what we start to do. >> and this as the white house counsel who had deep concerns,

that the next question, i think is what are people who didn't have those kinds of concerns, or at least didn't speak up about them, will now feel pressure to come forward? >> i keep thinking about chairman bennies thompson, effectively saying as much, chris, saying if you have either new memories of things we maeve asked you about in previous depositions or maybe newfound courage, that is the hope of what the committee hoped to do with the caddy -- cassie hutchinson to also come in, but be cooperative. the next hearing will star focusing on extremism. jamie raskin will be a leader in

that hearing, and you also have to keep an eye on doj. >> ben, we don't have a witness list yet, but we do know how the january 6th committee was looking back at groups lie proud boys and oath keeper came together. what clues do we already have in the context of this hearing? but also, what are your outstanding questions? >> my big outstanding question is did this es people have direct contact with the white house? mean did donald trump called stewart rhodes. did they work through an intermediatacy? roger stone, for example? he had oath keepers as private

security. its credibly close to the produce boys. how direct were the connections in the run-up to the 6th. how much did the president's team know about what roger stone was doing with the oath keepers specifically? i don't think you'll see stewart rhodes himself giving that much testimony. he did testify to the committee. i don't think he will have some smoking gun, but what you might hear is connections between these groups. what they do have things like cell phone data, that might context to these groups, that may shed light on phone calls, things like that. that might be something we'll see next week. what we're looking for is coordination. we know there's coordination between the produce boys and the oath keepers. they talked about what was going to happen on the 6th. how far up the chain did this go? that's the next question. >> bell coninns, ali vitali,

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the shooting here in highland park is becoming somewhat of a leadership test for president biden. new reporting from "the washington post" describes a growing impatience. quote it's biding seems unable or unwilling to respond with appropriate force. >> we have a lot more work to do to do. we've got to get this under control. >> reporter: other party leaders who were challenge him in to 24, have a more fiery response, including the governors of illinois and california. at the same time there's a potentially big challenge for republicans, playing to their base, but getting further and further away from the majority of people who are exhausted, angered by ongoing mass gun violence. ashley parker has more on the

democrats' frustration. also with me, tim miller, who worked on jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign, now a writer-at-large. ashley, i want to talk about some of the writing -- for some democrats, that risks a dangerous failure to meet the moment. it's really interesting. as you know, hi empathy and measured tone, compared to a bombastic donald trump, those were critical to his election. what has changed? how will the likes of gavin newsom and j.b. pritzker seemed to fill a void? >> that's right. it is important to node that biden's team believes, correctly, that some of that

calm, measured competence is what helped him defeat donald trump. so when there's an onslaught of criticism, think sort of say our -- what has changed is that in a number of threats currently facing the company, democrats view them as existential. it's not a disagreement, but threats to american democracy. democrats feel this incredible urgency, and they don't want a leader who is not going to fight incredibly aggressively. one final point. biden's team says correctly, look, there's a limit to what the president can do, dealing with the senate and the congress as it is. what you're seeing from democrats, they may understand that biden cannot wave a magic

wand, but they want to see him fineding, angry. when there's a shooting in highland park where, you know, seven people were killed, the horrible story of the 2-year-old boy wandering around looking for his parents who it turns out had died. that is sort of -- he and knewsome and others are demonstrating an alternative form of leadership that is appealing to a number of democrats now. >> you know, tim, she's right. it's hard to get out of your head, the raw images and stories we have seen of a 2-year-old little boy born around the pandemic. now he doesn't have parents. you imaging we have seen the strollers and chairs. they're just starting to get some of their personal property back today. somewhere does this moment leave republicans, though?

>> yeah. chris, look, i understand democrats' concerns. most of americans are angry, and you want that rage, that anger to be validated. here's the thing, though, joe biden ran to unite the country. he hasn't done that. well, you know, the shooting in uvalde happened. he signed a bipartisan gun reform bill, so biden has done what he's promised to do. i think if you're the democrats i would be looking to the other democrats, but even more importantly, the capitol hill democrats, to try to make the republicans pay for their rad dalles views. here's the thing, the republicans have a very extreme views right now on gun issues in particular, and they're not suffering any political consequences for it. i think if there's any criticism of democrats, it should be the

broader party apparatus. why aren't republicans being forced to vote on a law to -- that's an 80% issue. half the republicans are for that issue. rick scott signed that bill in florida. there are all of these radical extreme positions that republicans have on a variety of issues, guns is just one, and the democratic party knees to do a better job of making them pay for that politically. i think that's some of the frustration that voters have, other democrats have, that this isn't resulting in anything. >> i think tim is right, in that a lot of democrats see the possibility for an opening ripe for president biden as the head of the party, as well as people who are obviously running this year, will be on the ballot in november. i don't want to oversimplify it, but it's kind of like read the

room, it's a different room than it was when you were running for president. yes, you got a lot of applause when whirl obama said when they go low, we go high, but sometimes you have to fight at their level? >> tim is right that for frustrated democrats, it's not just the president, but he is the leader of the party. he has the biggest bully pulpit, so a lot of that inker and frustration, fairly or unfairly gets directed to him before it does, say, the senate majority leader. that is what i was told, even from people inside the white house is there has long been private frustration, alarms, concerns, but roe v. wade was galvanizing, that it's time for fighting and a different tactic

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seven close allies to the former president, including a sitting senator, have been is that as much assed in a special grand jury investigation into possible election interference in georgia. rudy giuliani, senator lindsey graham, and five members of trump's legal teams were issued the subpoenas on tuesday, as the

fulton county attorney's office investigates. an attorney for senator graham says, quote -- in my conversations with fulling county investigators, i have been informed that senator graham is neither a subject nor a target of the investigation, simply a witness. senator graham plans to go to court to challenge the subpoena, and expects to prevail. joining me know is blayne alexander. i know you just spoke with the fulton county d.a. what did she tell you? >> reporter: she told me that, one, we should expect to see more subpoenas from people who are either associates of trump or in his inner circle. she did not rule out the possibility of issuing a subpoena for the former president himself. i asked her that, and she said, quote, anything it possible.

now, graham said in his statement he would fight the subpoena. when i asked her directly, she want she's used to people not coming to, quote, the prosecutor party. evidence mandates that she should come, so she will take it to court and essential use the powers she has. here is more of our conversation, where she dives into what we can expect in the next few weeks. could he expect to possibly see additional subpoenas from people in former president trump's inner circle or trump associates? >> yes, family members? former bhout officials? >> we'll have to see where the investigation leads us. i think people thought we came into in as some kind of game. this is not a game at all. what i am doing is very serious, it's very important work, and

we're going toad our due distill gens in making scherr -- sure we look at all aspects of the call. all you see is a prosecutor doing their due diligence. >> reporter: you heard it right there. she takes this very seriously. she plaques to take her time. she says she's not in a rush for this. this special grand jury can convene for up to a year. so we're talking about a long runway for this investigation toe continue. when i asked her about a possible timeline, did she did say in orders to make it clear she's not trying to interfere with the upcoming midterm eledge. she plans to pause this investigation early october or so. you're not going to see any indictments or subpoenas, because she wants to make it clear she's not trying to influence the election. chris?

>> blayne alexander, thank you. what a great interview. we appreciate it. as we continue our coverage into the highland park shooting, i'll speak with congressman brad schneider whose direct is in highland park and was at the parade when the gunfire broke out. that's coming up next. parade when the aleve it, and see what's possible. out. that's coming up next.

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highland park shooting. it is almost impossible to fathom the depth of the trauma be felt by the folks who attended the 4th of july parade here, the folks who live here. our own dasha burns spoke with two little girls who were at that parade. >> i feel scared of louder noises when there was fireworks, that scared me. >> i'm still scared of like big noises, like police sirens and stuff. >> i'm probably not going to go to any more parades. >> i just feel scared that now parades, thinking that this would happen again. >> reporter: lillian sydney. with me democratic congressman

brad schneeder. he was at the parade when the gun fire broke out. it breaks your heart. >> the hearts are breaking in the whole community. >> grandmother told me today she told her grandchildren you can't walk around looking at your phone anymore, you have to be aware of where you are. how is the community doing? >> the community is grieving. vice president harris was right here at this corner laying a wreath and people are reaching out. we're reaching out to each other and leaning on each other. the story of the two girls they just showed, the young women who lost their mother, katie goldstein, aidan mccarthy, a little boy who lost both parents in this shooting. we will come together as a community but right now we're suffering. >> we did get the news today

that the gunman confessed, that he thought about doing this possibly in another community, madison, wisconsin. tell me your thoughts when you heard about those developments. >> i can't even get my thoughts around how someone can take a military assault weapon, climb to a rooftop and firing up to 70 shots in a couple seconds, killing neighbors in the community he grew up in. immediately when i heard him considering about shooting in wisconsin, i sent a text to my colleague saying i'm so grateful this didn't happen where you are. 300 mass shootings this your year alone. highland park will never be the same. the community will come back and we will have a 4th of july celebration again. today we are grieving for the community that was shattered. >> is there a consistency to

what you're hearing from your constituents? is there a way to make this mean something in terms of legislation? i don't know. you tell me. >> we always look for meaning at a time of loss. it's hard to find any meaning in the idea of someone shooting 70 bullets into a community at the height of a celebration of our country's independence. i know for me my commitment was already there to do all we can to reduce gun violence in our country. we need to ban these assault weapons of war that belong in a battlefield, not in our community. >> do you have any open of that? >> i always have hope. i've been working on this since i came to congress more than ten years ago. we have to believe that we can reach across the aisle, across the capitol to the senate and find people who say enough is enough. we can't have a situation where in this country across the country people were celebrating independence day, the nation's freedom and in our community, it was shattered. those bullets shattered the idea

for everyone in this country and independent hopeful we can be united and come together. >> i was telling you off the air the kindness we've been shown of the community, thanking us for being here and being very thoughtful for everything. it's unspeakably kind in the midst of all of this tragedy. >> it's a very special community. the 4th of july, people would be five rows deep. i talked to someone with 16 family members, someone with nine family members, parents, grandchildren, grandparents, celebrating. that was shattered. we will come back together as a community and celebrate for years to come. >> congressman, thank you so much. we are so sorry. we appreciate it. that's going do it for me.

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