♪ ♪ aleve x. its revolutionary rollerball design delivers fast, powerful, long-lasting pain relief. aleve it, and see what's possible. we've got new information coming into us this afternoon on that 4th of july attack in illinois. no bail for the suspect, now charged with seven counts of murder after the prosecutor said he confessed to doing it. officials are giving new details on his movements before and after the shooting saying he was looking at another celebration in nearby wisconsin. why he apparently called off an attack there and what we're learning or not about why he did

it. also this hour, president biden talking with brittney greiner's wife. we'll talk about how the president is getting ready to respond to greiner herself today. and an interview with the d.a. running the investigation with possible election interference in georgia. what she's saying about more subpoenas, including whether to issue one to donald trump. >> my job is to make sure that we get all the facts, that we get the information, that the grand jury can do their job and that i can make a decision. >> reporter: might we see a subpoena of the former president himself? >> more of that later in the show. i'm hallie jackson in for katy tur. joining us, dasha burns, who is outside chicago for us, investigative correspondent tom winter and former federal prosecutor and legal analyst paul butler. dasha, let me start with you.

the suspect in court today after the seven murder charges, first degree murder charges were filed against him. a lot of new details coming out just this morning and this afternoon. >> reporter: yeah, hallie. some chilly new details coming after that court appearance. according to the lake count y's state's attorney general, the gunman confessed to the shooting, confessed to dressing up in women's clothing, climbing up on the roof and firing off 83 rounds into the crowd at that 4th of july parade. he also -- this is quite a chilling new bit of information, hallie. he drove to madison, wisconsin after firing off those rounds at the 4th of july parade and contemplated another shooting. he saw another event, another crowd, contemplated doing this again. he had another rifle with him. he had about 60 rounds with him as well. this was not planned, though,

unlike the attack here in highland park, which investigators say he planned for weeks. he drove to madison, considered it, came back to illinois where he was ultimately apprehended. you said it there, he is now charged with seven counts of first degree murder, no bail and no motive that has been shared with us yet. the only thing that law enforcement officials have said is that he had an affinity for the numbers 4 and 7, 7/4 independence day, those numbers in reverse but no clear-cut motive yet. >> stand by for a second. tom, let me go to you because dasha is talking about this attempt, this discussion the shooter had with himself apparently about when he was in wisconsin whether or not he would attack a celebration there, decided not to because he hadn't strategized or planned for it, if you will. what does that tell you about the level of calculation that went into the attack that did happen at highland park? >> it's real interesting. a person who used to head up our

counterterrorism unit for a major u.s. national police organization or city police organization, i should say, he and i were texting about that on monday when this was all going down. one of the key things you look at is level of preparation and what goes into one of these particular incidents. he had an additional 60 rounds on him when he was in wisconsin. i think that's something that is important to note. he certainly had the ability to do it. he clearly knew a couple of things when it comes to this attack. one of the reasons why the prosecutors probably feel so strongly about their case on top. confession that they received from him and on top of the video of him arriving on this rooftop, it shows that there was a thought process here, that there was a planning process here. this building wasn't chosen at random. he didn't happen to just steal a construction ladder that morning. he went into some level of detail and preparedness that he would be ready to conduct this and on top of that knew that he probably would be recognized by

this community where he'd grown up his entire life and felt that certainly with the facial tattoos, he's somebody who could be easily identified and as we've seen from photographs and what law enforcement has said publicly and on the record here, hallie, he took a number of steps to try to conceal his identity, including dressing up as a woman and based on the photographs appears to have used make-up as well to conceal the number of facial tattoos that he had. it looks like a fair amount of planning did go into it. there were some missteps that he had, we don't want to give anyone ideas, but having said that, there were a number of steps he did take and police say he's been planning this for weeks. >> he's charged with seven counts of first degree murder. more charges are expected down

the road. when you look at the timeline, there were two interactions with law enforcement in 2019, one in april, one in september. one for an apparent suicide attempt, the other because there was a threat, according to a family member, that this individual said he wanted to kill everyone. knives were taken from the home. you see the timeline here. a few months later, his dad sponsored his application to get what's called a foid card, basically an i.d. card to be able to own a gun legally in the state of illinois. charges against the father possible here, paul? we have heard from his attorney here to says the real issue is trying to get assault-type weapons off the streets. >> yeah, hallie. so far the police have suggested there's no evidence of accomplices to the actual shooting. there is an important question, though, about why the illinois state police ran at the suspect, a permit to own a gun when just a few months before the police

have removed 16 knives from his house. the father sponsored the gun permit. the father also obtained those knives from the police station the same day that they had been taken saying that they belonged to him. now the police are saying that they granted this permit to the suspect because at the time there was no evidence that the suspect was a clear and present danger to himself and others, but certainly that issue will be reexamined. and even if there's not criminal exposure for the father, we can certainly expect civil litigation. >> dasha, let me go back to you here. this is a lot of information in the last 24 hours, not even, that has come out about this incident, the lead-up to it and talking about serious question marks now about how this person was able to get these guns

legally. what are you hearing as you're talking to folks at highland park about this, particularly as we're learning of some of these awful stories, a toddler, a 2-year-old left without parents and six other families left without people they love the most. >> reporter: every hour we hear more tragic, horrifying stories. at the end of the day you and i talk about this a lot as we cover these things, we have to bring it back to the people. these are real communities and real people that have been affected. this is not a temporary thing for them. once the cameras leave, they're still going to have to deal with this. i spoke to 9-year-old lilly and 11-year-old sydney. this year, though, was different. their father grabbed them, told them to run and they hid out in a local business. they told me they wanted to talk

about this. they wanted other kids to hear it's okay to be scared, to still be scared and it's okay to talk about what happened. take a listen to what they told me. >> when we were walking to our friend's house, i saw like a bullet in like a car with blood dripping down, it was red. the side of the car was red and with one bullet. i kept waking up with stomach aches just worrying. i don't know. my mom said i was sleep talking about scary stuff. >> reporter: is this the most scared you've ever been? >> probably. >> reporter: hallie, they love these kinds of event but they say now they don't think they'll ever want to go to a parade again, loud noises are incredibly scary, fireworks will never be the same again. this will be a long, long haul of processing this and healing.

this community will never be the same again. >> we heard from attorney general merrick garland who talked today about what happened in highland park. >> this location is just 20 minutes from the house i grew up in and i know it extremely well. just another horrific reminder of the violence and the gun violence that we face and that we must do everything in our power to end. we don't need any more reminders of this. >> so far no indication that federal charges are going to be filed here, paul. do you anticipate that changing based on the charges that have become public so far? >> federal charges emerged that this is a hate crime or that this was based on religion and

so far we haven't heard evidence of that. right now the suspect does face seven counts of murder. hallie, he could be looking at dozens of charges of attempted murder and aggravated assault for the people who he wounded and endangered but didn't kill. illinois doesn't have a death penalty but prosecutors are throwing the book at this us is suspect because they want to make sure he remains in custody for the rest of his life. >> tom, let me give you the last word for the last part of this conversation here. >> it's extraordinary to get this level of detail for an active prosecution this early in the case. there's a couple of reasons behind that. first obviously because crimo is talking to police and they feel comfortable enough they can put that forward. that's important. it's at least providing some clarity, not that the more details that we get that this makes this whole situation any better, number one. number two, clearly more information is needed and law enforcement will go back and

look at, okay, what did we know and when, who told us what and when and how could this process have been different when we go back to the incidents in 2019, having gone through this a number of times on terrorism cases where you have either a state police or a local police department working with the fbi or the fbi itself goes back and reviews what did we know and when, were there any steps that were missed, could we do this any differently in the future, did we pull all the levers we needed to pull, including the use of the red flag law. i think that will be important. number three, back to the information point, this underscores a level of professionalism that we have seen a refreshing amount of it that we have seen from the law enforcement agencies, particularly the lake county sheriff's department in having very clear press conferences, not putting out information that had yet to be confirmed, not putting out information that was relying solely on witness statements. so i think those are positive

developments here as far as us and i think restores some sort of a credibility and respect after an incident like this happens, particularly when they come out and say these were the times we interacted with this person before. they just didn't wait till they got questions from the press. so an interesting amount of transparency on this particular shooting. it's so helpful when these events are so terrible. >> thanks to all of you. we appreciate you staying on top of this story. also later this hour, the president under more and more president to bring brittney griner home. he just spoke with her wife. and former white house counsel pat cipollone will testify. he will comply with his subpoena. when we can expect to hear from him or when the committee will and when he might say. and one day after issuing seven subpoena to donald trump's inner circle, the fulton county d.a.

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one day after that special grand jury in georgia issued a round of subpoenas for allies of former president donald trump, as part of that investigation into possible election fraud, the d.a. says more subpoenas could be on the way. that's what she's saying in an exclusive interview today. and more subpoenas for people in his inner circle are not off the table. also possible, she says, a subpoena for donald trump himself. you've seen them sent out to republican senator lindsey graham, rudy giuliani, john

eastman. joining me is blaine alexander, who conducted that exclusive interview and danny cevallos. let me turn this over to you. notable and newsworthy. >> reporter: yeah, there were a couple of things that really stood out to me that you nailed. she made it clear she is conducting a very robust investigation. the subpoenas we saw yesterday lay out the scope of what the special grand jury is looking into and she made it clear in her interview that she's not done yet, that we're going to expect to see more subpoenas. she said anybody who can possibly bring forth any information to the grand jury concerning what they're alleging is election meddling here in the state of georgia. i asked her if we could see people tight in his winner circle, former white house officials, members of trump's

family themselves and she said none of them is off the table and neither is a subpoena of the president himself. here's a little bit of that exchange take a look. >> could we see additional subpoena of people in former president trump's inner circle, family members? >> yes. i had a team that was here, that was investigating, that was speaking to people. some people decided they wanted a subpoena to talk to us. it was enough people where i thought it was important to bring them before a special purpose grand jury where they could gain the information and the special purpose grand jury could advise me. so that's the process that we're in. >> reporter: so, hallie, you heard her really there kind of underscore how seriously she takes this. another thing i want to point out, the rather defiant statement from senator lindsey graham and attorneys saying they plan to challenge the subpoena,

that came out a few seconds before i sat down with her. i asked her about it. she came back defiantly and said that's from somebody who doesn't realize the seriousness of what they're doing here and she plans to use all the powers before her to make him come forward and testify, hallie. >> what do you make about the d.a.'s answer about a possible subpoena for donald trump? >> it's pretty noncommittal. it leaves it pretty wide open. we might see members of the family, we might see trump himself. really arguably most of the reason that this has made it into the news is because these are all folks being subpoenaed that are out of state. procedurally that means a state prosecutor has to go to a state court judge and get a subpoena or certificate issued that she can take to another state. because really georgia doesn't have any power in new york or in new mexico. otherwise attorneys, even i can issue a subpoena here in new york and in other states just

from my desk. but because it's out of state, you have this judicial process in which she actually had to demonstrate some kind of reason to the judge. so it's really interesting that because of the multi-state jurisdictional issues, you see all of those people there on the screen subpoenaed, all of them i believe were out of state witnesses. so you have this special procedure that a georgia prosecutor would have to follow before a grand jury, where otherwise if they were in georgia, you just get a subpoena and likely we never even find out people were subpoenaed to begin with. >> we talked about lindsey graham having received a subpoena. investigators from willis's office told them that graham is neither a subject nor a target of the investigation, simply a witness, going on to say "this is all politics." how did the d.a. respond and how does she respond from critics of hers, allies of the former president's, that this is politically motivated? >> reporter: in responding to that specifically she said what

do i have to gain politically? she said he doesn't understand how serious this is and then said she hopes he comes forward and testifies truthfully. when you talk about criticism, this is an interesting point that came from the interview as well. she receives a lot of threats about this and in some cases racist threats because she's a black woman. she's had to up her security. she said it's something she is taking seriously. another thing that complicates all of this, it's an undercurrent running through all of this, is the timing of this, hallie. we're in an election year just ahead of 2022 mid terms. she said she's trying to make it very clear she doesn't want this to be entangled in the election. she's not trying to influence in what happens in november. she's going to pause her investigation. so starting in about mid october until the end of the election, we're not going to see any subpoenas, not going to see indictments because she wants to clear the air around this for

the investigation, for the election, hallie. >> blaine alexander, thank you. >> we learned that vice president harris and president biden have talked to officials and called brittney greiner's wife. i want to bring in nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. this is a significant development. you talked about it live on the air as it happened with brittney's coach, ahead of a rally tonight intended to draw more attention to b.g. as she's

called and known by her family and friends and what's happening to her. >> for weeks now cherelle greiner and the team have been asking for more to be done. she had been advised by trevor reed and his family, the former marine who got out of the prison in russia in a prisoner swap but only after trevor reed's family had gone to the white house and protested outside and protested in texas separately when the president was protesting there on another trip. they persuaded her you've got to go right to the president. finally today she got that call just hours before her team, the phoenix mercury, will be rallying for her in phoenix and i was on the air with vanessa

nygaard, her head coach and broke the story that this all had taken place that the vice president harris was on the call, that the president said, as you just reported, that he's written a letter back to brittney, to her emotional appeal, saying she was terrified she was going to spend the rest of hadar life there. this is how vanessa responded. >> the news today is that the president has responded, has spoken to cherelle and is going to continue to push for her return is probably the best news we've heard in a very long time and something we'll be able to talk about at our rally tonight and hopefully bring this nightmare to an end. 139 days is a really long time and we're hopeful for that to end as quickly as possible.

>> vanessa, the head coach and her friend and others have been so concerned about her well being. al sharpton talked to me today and he's hoping to get to russia for a clergy visit with brittney in jail. and people are saying they feel she's not being treated as a male prisoner would be, that she is being discriminated against because, frankly, she's a woman, doesn't get the attention that the men get in the nba as the wnba is sort of not paid well and that's why she was even in russia. that's why they go overseas in the off season to make four or five times as much as they can be here in the u.s. it's also because she's gay and she's black. that's part of the reason why she's not getting enough attention. in defense of the

administration, let me point out in the early months they followed the protocols, the procedures of dealing with russia, such an adversary of course in the middle of a war, dealing with russia and trying to get her out quietly with behind-the-scenes negotiations without making a big diplomatic fuss until she's charged. then when she was charged, they called her wrongfully detained and now she's on trial and basically nobody gets acquitted in a russian trial. they know she's in for a long haul. >> andrea mitchell, we're grateful to you for staying on top of this one. appreciate it. coming up on the show, after a successful push by russia in parts of eastern ukraine, the military in ukraine is getting ready for an all-out assault on the rest of the donbas. but first, breaking news in uvalde. what a new report just coming out says about a key decision made.

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horrific massacre that happened just about two months ago. we're going to shift to show you that now. in a report that is now public, a uvalde police officer apparently aimed his rifle at the robb elementary school shooter and waited for a supervisor's permission to open fire. tony, thank you for being with us. i've had a chance to look at the report myself and the report lays out what they describe as some key moments, key missed opportunities both before the shooter entered the school and when the shooter was inside the school. i want to zero in on two of them. first that an officer apparently had cited the shooter heading into the school, did not fire a shot to take him out. he was at a pretty far distance, something like 140, 150 yards. the officer was concerned he might miss and hit a student and didn't take that shot. and they cited there was no push by the officers to break a window, to go through sheet

rock, start ripping down walls, do something to distract the shooter, have an officer run down the hall, take his attention away. they say while it could have taken a few minutes, they say taking two, three, five or ten minutes to do so would have been preferably to the more than hour it took to ultimately gain access to the classroom. >> that's exactly right. and really this report, hallie, just totally widens the lens even more on everything we are learning about that terrible day. as you mentioned, there are multiple points in there that i think are striking, that continue to underscore this flawed response at robb elementary school on may 24th. one thing that is also striking to me as well and that is why there has been so much public attention on the school district police chief there in uvalde, this report also seems to widen

that to criticize the more rank and file officers who converged on that campus that awful day as well, saying they should have done more faster. again, that police officer you're referring to, raising questions about his decision to not open fire, pointing out that he was potentially legally justified in doing so given the totality of the circumstances having in that moment. >> you know, to be clear for viewers, too, that they understand, this is a report by the advanced law enforcement rapid response training requested by the texas department of public safety. it has now been posted online so people can read it themselves. i think it something like 28 pages. you hone in on something you highlighted in your reporting, which is this distinction

between what pete arrendondo did not do, it's said it is intended to improve future response. basically look at the missteps here to make sure they do not happen again. >> that's exactly right. and it's also worth noting that the organization that put this report together had access to all of the investigative information that the texas department of public safety, which is leading the investigation, all of the information that they had been able to obtain, interviews with responding officers as well and, hallie, this group that's actually in suburban austin is among the nation's foremost experts in responding to active shooters and developing curriculums and training nationally for law enforcement officers to respond to active shooters. >> there has been, tony, as you well know i think so much frustration from the families of those who lost loved ones, whose

lives were stolen, these 19 kids and two teachers who were murdered at uvalde at robb elementary about the way it unfolded and the way things have gone since the shooting has happened. have you heard that in your reporting as well? >> certainly that is the case. and it comes at a time when they are also contending with unimaginable loss. so to have these new facts sort of almost trickle out over time i think is in many ways compounding their grief but at the same time, there's also a desire to know the full picture about what happened and, as you mentioned and we've heard parents say this as well, that is to stop something like this from ever happening again, to shore up gaps in law enforcement, to have law enforcement officers better trained so that should something like this ever happen again at a school or anywhere else, law

enforcement will have better tools and better training to take down a shooter in the future. >> tony, glad to have you on. thank you for your reporting and for being all over this story. we appreciate it. turning now to other news out of washington here, after a lot of speculation, we know now pat cipollone will talk to the january 6th committee formally. a person familiar with the situation says the former white house counsel will comply with the subpoena he was issued. he's expected to sit foreclosed-door taped interview later this week. the committee noticed it will hold one formal hearing next tuesday. they're going to start digging into the violent extremist groups that helped mobilize the mob. i'm going to bring in correspondent ally raffa and jake sherman, also an msnbc contributor. congressman adam schiff said to

the associated press a couple days ago, "it's hard to imagine someone more at the center of things." they believe cipollone knows a lot about what went down in and around the oval office with former president trump, not just on the 6th but in the weeks leading up to it, too. >> yeah, hallie. this is someone who we've heard mentioned many times in past hearings but especially in the last hearing on tuesday from cassidy hutchinson in her testimony really renewing the committee's efforts in speaking with cipollone after we know he was had off-the-record private discussions with the committee. we know the deadline for his deposition was moved from today to friday. we know his deposition will be in private. it will be videotaped and transcribed likely on topics that cipollone and his attorney have agreed to. cipollone had been concerned about speaking publicly because

of what he said are executive and attorney/client privilege concerns about what he can divulge about his conversations with the former president. this is an issue that congresswoman zoe lofgren shed light on. >> after miss muchinson's testimony that was so informative, it's very clear we would like him to come in. i know that he is concerned about executive privilege. that's not an absolute immunity. it falls when there is something more important, and that is true in this case. >> reporter: so it's going to be interesting to really know what pat cipollone had planned on keeping private under that heading of attorney/client privilege, executive privilege and what possibly the committee could force him to divulge in

these temperatures. he vocally opposed to so many things going on in the white house, was opposed of trumped marching to the white house and this is definitely something we're keeping an eye on whether possibly his testimony plays a role in what we see in this newly announced committee hearing on tuesday, hallie. >> allie, thank you. let me play a little bit where she talked about pat cipollone. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go to the capitol, keep in touch with me, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> talk about the significance of this moment of cipollone

formally speaking to the january 6th committee and who else we might hear from in the weeks to come? >> the cloak-and-dagger nature of this committee is like something i've never seen in my years in congress. i don't know why they keep things close to the vest until the last moment. i don't know who is going to testify. it doesn't actually matter cipollone is testifying behind closed doors and having it transcribed. the committee has found a way to use that testimony quite effectively. they almost don't need him publicly. >> you don't mean it doesn't matter because he's facing it's because of the optic matter of what the public would see. >> mind closed doors on videotape is just as effective as being in the room as a viewer, in my estimation. they found a way to use this videotape throughout these hearings so effectively. number two, cipollone is going to have to, i would imagine, it's this thing we're trying to

figure out now, is going to have to testify on matters that he talked about with people like mark meadows and cassidy hutchinson and everybody but the president, as zo lofgren said, his privilege doesn't extend to everybody in the white house or to things he thought were crimes. cipollone is kind of a missing link here. cassidy hutchinson indicated he was a party to all sorts of conversations and he believed that white house officials were going to be charged with crimes. so this is a big get for the committee. remember, he didn't have much of a choice, hallie. he was under subpoena. this could have gone to the court. now it's not going to go to the court presumably. and that's good because this committee doesn't have a lot of time left. >> jake, before i let you go, as we look ahead to tuesday, one of

the objectives of the committee, can they connect the dots and will they show dots between the proud boys, the oath boys, et cetera and a direct link and contact with somebody in donald trump's inner circle? it seems like something a lot of people will be looking for on potentially tuesday here. >> if you view these hearings as almost like an ongoing saga, which they are because that's the way they've scripted them in a sense. you heard testimony that there were people in cassidy hutchinson's estimation, including rudy giuliani, who was in some sort of contact with people like the oath keepers and the proud boys. that is the end goal here, to show some sort of connective tissue between these extremist groups and the white house. that is what they're all building up to and i imagine we're going to hear more about that, if not get a direct link of some sort. >> jake sherman, allie raffa,

thanks to both of you. back to the story we started with, the shooting in highland park. seven people killed by a suspect now in custody. the fbi's victim service response team and local authorities have just opened up a center to help families. counseling and other help being provided to not only those hurt on july 4th but those dealing with emotional promise. my guest's 6-year-old son was killed in the sandy hook massacre in newtown. it's incredibly difficult we have to be talking in this country again about another mass shooting. >> yes. >> we talked about counseling services being made available to the victims and families of the victims. what would you say to them as somebody who knows all too well some of the pain they're going through? >> the biggest thing that i would say to the families is to reach out and accept those services and hold tight to those

around you that care. and for the services, i mean, this is not something that you just parachute in and deliver and parachute out. i think a lot of mental health support has learned over the last decade that the needs go on well past the first year. i mean, sandy hook we still have these needs ten years later. be cognizant this is an ever-evolving process and this journey is not one that ends. you don't get closure any time soon, that's for sure. >> in this instance there are and we talked about this with our team earlier in the show, many questions about the process that allowed this person to legally obtain, to legally purchase these guns in the state of illinois and specifically about red flags that had been raised, i'm using lower case "r" and yet this person was still able to obtain a license to legally purchase these guns. what path do you see going

forward to strengthen the laws? >> i'm a big advocate for red flag laws or extremist protection orders. when people are aware that they have them and they're used effectively, they are proven to save lives, they are proven to ensure that someone can't access means, weapons, in order to continue their act, whether it be self-harm or harm toward someone else. i know we just passed the bipartisan safer communities act, and that includes federal grants for states to improve the efficacy of their red flag laws and improve awareness around it and i hope that illinois takes advantage of that because a law is only as good as the people that know about it and the way in which it is carried out. so they're absolutely right to have a red flag law and now we just need to improve the awareness and efficacy of that because based on what i've heard so far, there was definitely some sort of failing there,

there wasn't enough due process to make sure that person was ready to have that responsibility of purchasing firearms. >> when we talk about mental health, as you well know, president biden not too long ago just signed into law one of the biggest updates to gun laws in this country in a generation, 30 years. senator mcconnell said the problem is mental health and the young men who seem to be inspired to commit these attacks. there is millions of dollars in funding in this new law to put towards that. are you optimistic that could help? >> i'm always optimistic because i have to be. i have to believe in change and in promise and my organization was instrumental in helping draft parts of that legislation and passing it. i do believe that the funding toward mental health is important and we have to look at our gun safety and access to firearms as well. this is not an either-or problem. this is something that requires

both sides of that. i think that's what we delivered with the bipartisan safety act and we continue to go down that path. i am thrilled there's more funding for mental health because we have a mental health problem in this country and we also have a problem with high volumes of guns, high, easy access to those firms and when someone is going to purchase or use a firearm, they have the wherewithal to do that and they have the responsible nature and able to deliver on that responsibility. that's where we have more work to do for sure. >> nicole, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> overseas russia has really stepped up attacks in eastern ukraine as it looks to capture more of the donbas region. at least seven people have been killed overnight. the governor of the last remaining eastern province at least partly under ukraine's control told the more than

350,000 people there to go, get out now. air raids were issued across almost the entire country overnight. i want to bring in ali arouzi. it feels like this is yet another phase in this war with one of the biggest mass the russians are increasing their attacks quite dramatically in donetsk. there are attacks there 24 slr 7. that's why you're seeing the ukrainian authorities speak louder and louder telling people to get out before it's too late. they are basically urging the 350,000 people left in donetsk, about 1.6, 1.7 million people to

get out because it may just become too late because the russian offensive is gaining more and more momentum in that area as they do all they can to capture the donbas region. and the other reason he's telling people to get out is because it's so unsafe and they don't want civilians to get trapped between russian and ukrainian artillery fire. it's going to make it much easier for the ukrainians to defend and attack the russians if the place isn't full of civilians but it's not always easy to get civilians out of that area. we spoke to one of the emergency workers from the ukrainian authorities who is getting people out of the luhansk area. he's focusing on the donetsk area. >> there were shellings from all sides. people were very scared. you have to understand when people spend all the time in basement, they are going crazy

and some of them were almost crazy. crazy and some of them were almost crazy. the u.s. and china are entering a tense new phase of the space race after the chief was concerned they might take over the moon. they say the country has long tried to build a community of nations in the space. things are getting real prickly

real quick. >> nasa is out by a statement saying nasa is run by its military. nasa runs, it says, a peaceful, international civilian program. make no mistake about it, the u.s. and china are very much in a 21st century race to the moon. a 21st century race to the moon. beijing's goal, to put its own astronauts on the moon. astronaut nelson told a newspaper we must be very concerned that china is landing on the moon, it's hours now and

you stay out. the foreign minister accused nelson of lying through its teeth. but top u.s. military commanders accuse china of deploying a satellite with an arm and a claw that can reach out and grab u.s. satellites. and firing a missile that destroyed one of its own satellites, creating a massive debris field. the challenge the u.s. can't see potential chinese operations on the far side of the moon. four star general david thompson at the pentagon. >> is it important that the united states has eyes on what the chinese are doing on the far side of the moon? >> we need to understand both in the lunar space and the space in between the moon, what are they doing, why are they doing it, does it pose a potential threat to our interest? >> a new u.s. satellite capped capstone launched to study the space around the moon has

reportedly stopped communicating with earth. >> that's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> reporter: 50 years after apollo 11 landed on the moon, an international treaty is still in effect, prohibiting military bases on the moon for fear if -- former astronaut and nasa chief charlie bolden. >> we can't have open warfare. we have to discipline ourselves so we don't make this war fighting domain a real war fighting domain. >> nasa is hoping human will land on the moon for nasa in 2025 and that will include a

woman and a person of color. we've done a lot of work on this, on the tension in space, on the space force, we have a documentary, a special on youtube and nbcnews.com and it is called "battlefield space" googleable and youtubable. >> we'll see you at 5:00 eastern in just a little bit. stay with us here on msnbc for another full hour of news ahead including an update now on the investigation into the mass shooting at highland park's july 4th parade, what the suspect has just told authorities about his involvement and he got the firearms he reportedly moved. plus the president is in ohio where he's trying to save pensions for millions of workers. we'll bring that speech to you live. stay with us. we'll bring that speech tovirusy

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