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it is 6:00 on the east coast, 6:00 on the west coast, actually, and 9:00 a.m. out east. as we roll into the fourth hour of "morning joe." you're looking at beautiful los angeles. and let's get right to the breaking news from overseas. british prime minister boris johnson announced just a short time ago that he is resigning. >> it is clearly now the will of the parliamentary conservative party that there should be a new leader of the party and therefore a new prime minister
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and i've agreed with brady, the chairman of our back bench mps, that the process of choosing that new leader should begin now. and the timetable will be announced next week. and i have today appointed a cabinet to serve as i will until a new leader is in place. i've tried to persuade my colleagues that it would be eccentric to deliver when we're only a handful of points behind the polls even in midterm after quite a few months of relentless sledging and when the economics scene is so difficult domestically and internationally. and i regret not to have been successful in those arguments and of course it is painful to be able to see through so many ideas and projects myself. but as we've seen at westminster, the herd instinct is powerful and when the herd moves, it moves. and my friends, in politics no
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one is remotely indispensable. >> johnson spent days defying calls to step down from dozens of fellow members of his party. after a series of high-profile resignations from members of parliament. and joe, he did contend that the commitment from the u.k. to ukraine would continue. but a lot of other questions hang in the balance. including how this is going to play out. is there going to be weeks and weeks of chaos, is he going to be kicked out of 10 downing street, how does it work? >> we don't know how it will work right now. the toris will want to hold off until they get the party together and get things lined up. you actually already have the leader of labor talking about a no confidence vote that they want to bring because whoever
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johnson's successor is going to be will not have any mandate from the people. johnson correctly said had the largest mandate from the british people since margaret thatcher's stunning victory in 1979. her sweeping victory in 1979 and that is something that you heard in a statement as well. where johnson said, it is a shame i have to leave. we have such a mandate from the people. and also we're only a few points behind in the polls. even after months, after month, after month of negative press coverage. but he said, in politics, he said, it is a brilliant and darwinian system but when the herd moves, it moves. and with one member of his government after another resigning day after day, it just kept piling up. it was untenable for johnson. he to leave. but the question is, mika, what comes next? will there be a snap election?
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will the tories be able to wait until the fall or is labor going to push it earlier. >> well let's go live to london and kelly cobiella. and what are the potentials in terms of what comes next, kelly? >> reporter: well, mika and joe, one of the reasons boris johnson stayed in power for so long is because there was no obvious successor, no one that conservatives could look to and say this is a person who could lead the party going forward and who crucially could actually win another general election. because not only do they need someone who is popular within the party, they need someone who could pull off what boris johnson pulled off back in 2019 which was a historic, a landslide election, winning parliamentary seats in places that had been dominated by labor for decades. so that is been the big question. and it is still the question today. who is the new prime minister and when will he or she be in
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place? a couple of names have been bandied around today. one is ben wallace, the defense secretary. he's been if place for the last three years. he has a lot of positive attention over the past few months because of the way he's dealt with the war in ukraine. liz trust, the foreign secretary, her name is also out there. but nobody -- these people have not officially declared that they want to run in a leadership campaign yet. so probably five, six, seven names now are sort of in the ring. but not officially declared. and it is really, in terms of the timetable, it takes a while to get a new party leader in place. there is first a vote among conservative parliamentarians, they whittle the numbers down to two names and then there is a vote among conservative party members. so if boris johnson does stay in place, which is also a question, because there are already
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pressure on him to step aside now and put a caretaker prime minister in that spot, if he does stay in place, we're looking at september, maybe october before the country has a new prime minister. and knows which direction it is going. guys. >> interesting. nbc news correspondent kelly cobiella, thank you very much. and joe, this is raising questions not just in terms of what happens in britain with the government, what comes next, but there is an interesting potential shift happening in the world. >> well, again, we've been talking for this morning about how since 2015 there has been one story after another talking about the rise of the right-wing populist and the west. well, we had brexit, we had trump. we of course then after trump we had le pen rising in and of
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course we had leaders in italy across europe rising. >> poland. >> yeah, poland and hungary of course. but right now, it doesn't seem that -- it doesn't seem that that movement continues to be on the rise. let's bring in u.s. national editor and columnist at financial times ed luce. and you could speak to the larger picture if you want to about the state of the right-wing populist in west and whether it is in decline now. but first let's talk about the tories. you know better than any of us, the tories play hardball. they have no loyalty, even to legends like margaret thatcher. i guess if there is any surprise here it is that boris johnson lasted as long as he did. >> yeah. that is a very good point. and i don't think it is because the conservative party suddenly realized that boris johnson is anthical black hole that they turned on him.
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they turned on him because the electorate have been turning on him. his approval ratings are effecting the conservative party's ability to get re-elected and that is why this rather bizarre trivial incident with a serial groper, i guy called chris pincher, a name that even charles dickens would have blanched at giving one of his characters, this is one the final straw that broke the camels back. there is a wide range of potential successes. no real ideology splits in the conservative party. brexit is consensus. so this is really the first time we've seen a prime minister ejected not for reasons of politics or principle as had you with margaret thatcher and with theresa may three years ago, at the hand of boris johnson, remember. this is purely over his personal
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ethics and incompetence and petty immoralisms that dominated since he became prime minister. >> willie. >> ed, so let's talk about what comes next here. if this does go on for a few months into the fall, if boris johnson isn't going to step away in the immediate term, what is the summer look like in greater britain and who could we see as a rising candidate to be a successor? >> i believe it is entirely dominated by the leadership and the timing is not ideal. britain is the slowest growing g7 economy. it is the closest to recession. it is got almost double-digit inflation. so it is got the highest cost of
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living increases of any of the g7 countries. the public mood of disaffection is great and on top of that there is no leadership, there is nobody steering. probably the earliest we'll see a prime minister is september. a number of names, liz trust and one of the daughters liberty, richie sunac, the former chancellor who had the latest this week with his resignation. ben wallace, the defense secretary who is perceived to be one of the adults in the room, he's got a lot of i think good standing here in washington, d.c. and in other nato capitols. he's liked in ukraine. he was interestingly in campaign for remain in 2016 but it is quite good odds. so there is a whole range of characters there and it is such a fluid situation.
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the only other point i would make is if johnson somehow remanages to remain a caretaker prime minister over the next few weeks, you cannot rule out some shakespearean move by him to cling on to the job. >> yeah. i found it hard to believe that he was going to actually resign. but you're right, i'm sure even now he's trying to figure out how to hang on to the job. so, let me ask you why it was that the british public finally had enough and then the tories had enough of boris johnson's lying. like you said, this scandal, this latest scandal that came up, and the fact that johnson lied about it. it is like claude reign saying he was shocked that there was gambling going on in the establishments. he got fired in 1978 for lying and got in trouble at the
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telegraph for writing columns where he made things up. and his political career has been one lie after another. that he tried to cover up. and so, tory members being shocked by it would be like members of donald trump's team going before the 1/6 committee going i can't believe donald trump told a lie. so why was this the final straw? why did the voters have enough and the tories finally have enough of this guy? >> well, that darwinian comment is supposed to be about ruthlessness but i think darwin was also known for a chronicle evolution, improvement in species. and boris just didn't improve. his prime minister-ship was like one error riddle tabloid column. and i think his colleagues got fed up with defending him every day in the tv studios. i should mention one more headline, the new yorker comic sketch writer andy borrowwitz
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had a headline. brits lose long cherished rights to look down on americans as dumber than they are. this period of really quite dumb politics and the damage to britain's standing is also i think seeped into the joint party. >> where have i seen that before. columnist at the financial times, ed loose, thank you very much. willie? >> let's get some reaction now from the white house this morning to the news that prime minister johnson will be resigning. joining us now white house reporter for politico, eugene daniels. it is good to see you. so the relationship between johnson and biden hasn't been particularly koezen. johnson was said not to love the term special relationship, felt it made the u.k. was needy before the united states. what are you hearing. >> they are pretty mum.
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throughout the scandals that have happened over and over to boris johnson, they continued to be this way. they don't want to be seen as meddling or want to meddle and don't want to be on the wrong side of whatever decision ends up happening. and i think there is a surprise here in the white house. just like was said. this is happened over and over. people have -- it is not the first time that boris johnson has been found to or accused of lying to his people. and so that this was the last straw and it happened so quickly even after he said he wasn't going anywhere. it is a surprise to some folks. they are definitely going to get questions about this in the press briefing today. we're going to try to get them to weigh in obviously. but they are letting other country's politics play out is how this white house has been operating. i will say there are obvious huge effects. the u.k. and the united states have some special relationship that boris johnson didn't like and so it is a key ally on a lot of different fronts. first and foremost and the most
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important at this point is ukraine. president biden has spent a lot of time creating this international coalition of the united kingdom has been a part of that and a key ally in that. so making sure that whoever is going to be the next leader of the u.k. is going to want to put in as much support is key. this is a critical time. you see russia continuing grabbing whole slices of land in ukraine. ukraine is saying this is going to need more than $700 billion to rebuild whenever that happens. and so president biden has spent a lot of political will and capital and travel time doing this. so you could see it is important whoever the next leader is that happens and depending on how isolationist they are whether or not that continues. >> white house reporter for politico and "morning joe" senior contributor, eugene daniels, thank you very much. and coming up this hour on "morning joe," the latest on the fight to bring wnba star
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brittney griner home from russia. former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul will join us. and the latest out of highland park including a disturbing confession from the gunman. and support from around the world for a 2-year-old boy who lost both of his parents in that attack. we'll be right back. parents int attack we'll be right back. .
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it is 20 after the hour. and we're learning disturbing new details about the july fourth parade mass shooting in highland park, illinois, the 21-year-old charged with killing 7 people has now confessed to the crimes. officials also say he considered unleashing another attack in the maybing state of wisconsin. the suspect made his first court appearance yesterday. he's charged with seven counts of first-degree murder and will face additional counts for those injured during the attack. the judge ordered him held without bail and he's due back
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in court on july 28th. donations are pouring in from the communities from across the country for families of the highland park victims, that includes the 2-year-old boy who lost both of his parents. nbc news correspondent emilie ikeda joins us with that story. >> good to be here with you. you could see in the gofundme pages, you could see how eager people are to help for the 2-year-old boy, within the first few minutes it reached $30,000 and now it sits around $3 million. a remarkable outpouring of support and reminder of the good that still exists in this world amid such a dark tragedy. >> reporter: he's emerged as an emblem of highland park's loss on july 4th. a 2-year-old boy, aiden mccarthy orphaned by the massacre. his parent as mong the 7 people killed along the parade route. ken dried trying to protect his
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son. >> just think about the way he just -- the wind got knocked out of you. >> they are part of the mccarthy extended family and started a gofundme page to support the caregivers who will be tasked for raising and caring for and suiting aiden. they sat down with nbc's tom llamas. >> i think it occurred to us right away, what could we do and help this family. prayers and all that. fine and great. food, yeah, sure. but what is ultimately going to help them and it is gofundme like 100%. >> the page has raised more than $2.8 million. and in a stunning outpouring of help from a world touched by a community's sorrow and a father's final heroic act. >> his dad did everything he could to protect his son and was successful in that. >> tom brooks spotted the 2-year-old moments after the gunfire beneath his limp father. his final act of his life was bravery, he fell with his son
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underneath him. it was intentional. this gentleman is a hero. this morning tributes pouring in for the couple, graduates of depaul university in chicago. irena was an only child according to the chicago sun times. her father who emigrated from russia, saying she was the love of my life and calling her an amazing person. kevin loved to make people laugh. he kept telling me how he wanted a big family and how much it meant to him. monday's violence shattering that dream. but a community determined to pick up the pieces in its wake. and i'll share one other story from thom brooks who spotted that 2-year-old beneath his bleeding father. he said before the 2-year-old was guide add way from the scene, he told the father your son is safe. the father wasn't responsive. but brooks is convinced that he received that message, that he heard him say that. perhaps a final moment of relief, of grace in kevin mccarthy's final moments.
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>> to throw your body over a toddler at a fourth of july parade. thank you so much for bringing us that story. coming up next, president biden speaks to the wife of brittney griner as the push to bring her home intensifies. but the family of another american imprisoned if russia is speaking out. former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul joins us next when "morning joe" returns. o rua only at vanguard, you're more than just an investor you're an owner. can help you get there. that's the value of ownership. michael mcfaul joins us next when "morning joe" returns
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life shot at white house at 28 past the hour. we want to turn now to a new update this morning in the fight to bring wnba tar brittney griner who is on trial in russia over a drug charges back to u.s. soil. the white house announcing that president biden spoke to griner's wife yesterday and told her he is working to bring britney home. griner was detained in february at a moscow airport after russian authorities said they
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found vape canisters with cannabis oil in her luggage. she could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted on drug smuggling charges under russian law. this as the family of paul whelan wrongfully detained since 2018 tells nbc news, they've been asking to meet with the president without success and believe that the white house outreach should be the same for all wrongful detainees. nbc chief foreign affairs koend andrea mitchell has the latest. >> overnight back home in phoenix, an outpouring of support for brittney griner. jailed in russia for more than four months on drug charges. as her family and teammates vow to fight for her release. >> i honestly can't rest until she's home. i'm frustrated that 140 days have passed since my wife has been able to speak to me.
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>> reporter: cherrel posting to instagram, i know she hasn't been forgotten. after a handwritten plea to president biden and a letter for more than 1100 black women leaders and the president and vice president harris called brittney griner's wife to promise all possible assistance to bring britney home. vanessa nyguard hearing the news from us. >> to know that they've read the letter and they're going to react and respond, this is great, great news and we hope to have more progress continue. >> the two-time olympic gold medallist had written mr. biden two days ago with a desperate appeal. i'm terrified i might be here forever after russian authorities say vape cartridges were found in his luggage. her friends say her experience in prison has been grueling. >> we know that this is tough. we also know b.g. we know b.g. is a fierce competitor and a fighter.
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but this situation now, this is weighing on her heavily. >> reporter: complicated any negotiation for president biden, tensions between the u.s. and russia are at the highest point since the cold war. >> he's up against vladimir putin and we're at war on behalf of ukraine against vladimir putin. so what hope do you have to get britney out? >> well, this is the commander-in-chief. so all of our faith right now is in this president. to get it done. and we know that he can get this done. >> well obviously a lot of americans hope that that could get done. let's bring in former u.s. ambassador to russia and nbc news international affairs analyst michael mcfaul. and of course, in the package and in the set up to the package, we've heard that britney has been there for 140 days. also heard that another american paul whelan has been there for four years and has not heard
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from the president yet. so the question is, how do we get both of these americans out because obviously somebody who has been there for four years who may have not been a basketball star or a gold medallist, his family wants him home just as badly and obviously they've been enduring it for four years. so what kind of deal could be made to bring both of these americans home? >> well, joe, i want to add another american to the list. mis name is mark fogle. he was just sentenced to 14 years in jail for allegedly smuggling drugs into russia. allegedly using his cover as a former teacher at the anglo american school to do that. i know mark, he taught my son. my son played basketball with his son when he was ambassador. he taught most of the kids at the embassy. he's not a criminal and wrongly detained in my view as well. so let's remember all three. these are not easy to do. i want to be candid and clear.
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the russians have made it critical clear what they want. they want a trade. they want a guy, his name is victor boot. even when i was ambassador almost a decade ago by now, we were already in discussions about a trade for him. they just recently did a trade, remember, to get trevor reid out of jail and now the russians want to repeat that. so i think that is going to be the deal at hand and it will be a tough call for the biden administration to try to do that or not. >> so, ambassador, vickor boot also know as the merchant of death for his widespread international crimes drawing an equivalent between him and brittney griner who was found with some vape cartridges in her luggage at an airport in moscow. i'm curious because you have so much experience trying to navigate these things, what it is like for somebody like brittney griner in a russian prison. we know that those trials usually end up in conviction. but what has it been like for
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her for the last four months. >> i'm glad you underscores, victor boot is a real criminal who did really awful things and is rightly sitting in prison. brittney griner is not. and that is why it is such a hard trade to think about. i just think the americans involved in these negotiations have to think about what is best for americans, not what is the right principle here. boot has been in jail for a decade. is it worth another decade of his time versus getting these americans out. in terms of the conditions, they're horrible. just exactly what you would expect. i visited russian prisons before i was a u.s. government official, it is not a place that anybody wants to be. it is not a place any russias want to be. horrible condition. and that is why it is a desperate situation to try to get these americans out. >> ambassador, fbi director christopher wray issued his starkest warning yet about the
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national security threat china posts to the west. speak ago long side his british counterpart in london, he said the chinese government poses an even more threat to western businesses than many sophisticated people realize. also raise the possibility that china may be inching closer to invading taiwan. not long after the two officials spoke, the u.s. national counterintelligence and security center made public an unclassified bulletin warning of a broad effort by china to influence state and local government officials in the u.s. the chinese embassy in washington did not respond to a request for comment. who dah make of this. this is in your realm of expertise. how seriously should we take these warnings and what should the united states be doing? >> so, these warnings we've been talking about for years. at least in my world. people who think about these threats from china and russia
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both domestically and internationally, the threats toward taiwan of course. what i see happening here is an innovation from the biden administration. something we saw before russia, before putin invaded ukraine. which is declassifying information to warn the american people, to warn american businesses about what is happening. and i think it is fantastic. i think that we need to know what they're doing so that we could be vigilant. and we don't have to overreact. we don't want to return to the cold war and accusing every american that talks to every chinese business as being a traitor. that would be a mistake from the cold war we don't want to repeat. but what we do want to do is know what they're game plans are, knowing they're trying to steal our technology, know that they're trying to influence public opinion here in our country, so that we could combat it. so i applaud what the biden administration is doing. de classifying information that we used to not declassify.
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>> mr. ambassador, are we asleep at the wheel when it come to china? are we far too blaze about the warnings, there were warnings under the trump administration about tiktok this past week. you had the fcc commissioner asking google and apple to remove tiktok from their stores. and this is what brendan carr wrote, it is not just any video app. it harvests swaths of sensitive data that new reports are showing being accessed in beijing. and of course, it is not just tiktok. it is not just this app. it's other electronics, it is cell phones, it is -- it seems to be one technology after another. are we just letting the communist chinese party unknowingly into our homes?
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>> well, i don't think the biden administration is asleep at the wheel. i think they're very focused on the china threat. they have a giant team that they put together under kurt campbell. >> right. right. i'm talking more about americans. like i said, the trump administration issued the warnings, the biden administration has issued the warnings. we're all looking at russia right now. i'm just wondering whether we americans are the ones who are asleep right now even as our governments are warning us? >> well i'm not asleep at the wheel and i'm an american so i'm glad we're talking about it, joe. as americans, wake up to see you, we're talking about it. and that is the good news. that is what i'm trying to say, right. christopher wray, they decided to release this information, by the way doing it with our british counterparts, i think it was very smart as well. and i think americans need more information about what the chinese are doing. let's do it in a democratic way,
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right. let's not repress people. let's tell them what is going on as a way for us to be more vigilant. so good move today and i hope there will be many more moves like this in the future. >> a couple of hours ago when boris johnson announced his resignation, he listed among his proudest achievement his support for ukraine. so let me ask about where that war stands right now. the biden administration just authorized another $820 million worth of support for this long slog, something that you said was going to be long and hard and will be for months and years to come potentially. so, where is the war right now, what are the gains by russia and what more should be done from the west? >> well, i don't want to pretent to be an exert on british domestic politics, right. but i do know that in ukraine, this is a sad day for ukrainians because the prime minister boris johnson was extremely popular in ukraine. with president zelenskyy, with ukrainian people because he stood so clearly on their side.
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so they've lost a friend today. at least temporarily. with respect to the war, it is just horrible and tragic. i can't think of anything more to say than that. this is a war right now in the donbas, that is where the front is, where the russians have a giant military advantage. very asymmetric advantage. ukrainians are fighting but they're being bombarded by russian artillery. their losing dozens maybe hundreds of soldiers every day. our weapons are making a difference. particularly the system, the high mars that we talk about before that we've transferred, the ukrainians i speak to say it makes a big difference on the battlefield, it could hit russian targets and it is accurate. that is the good news. the bad news is that they only have four of them. and they need much, much more in order to push back on russia. there will never be an end to this war until putin army can no longer advance.
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and right now putin's army is advancing. our strategic objective must be to stop that advance. >> and to run them out. former ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you very much. we really appreciate your coming on this morning. and coming up, what did donald trump, the mexican drug lord el chapo and one of the country's highest profile defense attorneys all have in common? we'll tell you next after a quick break. >> i'm at a loss. i have no idea here. could anybody help me out? could anybody help me out?
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so how is this for a grouping. donald trump, the mexico drug lord el chapo and a high froe file defense attorney famous for saving some of the worst criminal offenders from the
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death penalty. they're futured in the new book entitled "rogues, true stories grifters, killer an rebels and crooks." rogues brings together a dozen of the most celebrated articles from the new yorker written over the course of 12 years. and the staff writer at the new york and the author of the best-seller empire of pain and say nothing joins us now. he's going to say something, though. and i want to know the parallel between trump and the two others i named and more about rogues. >> it is a funny thing. i wrote the stories over the course of 12 years and each time i started a new story i don't have a beat, but i'm chasing whatever is interesting to me but i look back and i have an interest in people behaving badly. what makes people do bad things and how we as a society reckon with that. >> and so, what drives trump to
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do things badly? to do bad things? >> well in the case of trump, with that particular story is about it mark burnett, the reality tv producer who took trump at a time in his life when he was kind of a tabloid punchline. people did not take him seriously as a figure of success. certainly in the business world much less in politics. and with the apprentice, he was remade by this guy mark burnett. and burnett had, i think, this kind of pretty powerful idea which is ended up i would argue pretty bad for this country. which is that politics is really just entertainment by other means. >> yeah. and he creates that aura of success and toughness, because he was firing gary busey from a competition on a game show. there is an amazing story in your book about the profile that you wrote about the international drug cartel leader el chapo. so you write this big piece about him after the piece runs,
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you get a phone call. what happened next? >> i got a call in the office at the new yorker from a guy who said he was a lawyer for chapo guzman and i had not interviewed guzman when i did the piece. it was a big story called the hunt for el chapo, the effort to take him down and i didn't know what this guy was calling about. i was nervous and didn't know where this was going to go but he said that chapo guzman was ready to write his memoirs and he's locked up and he said would you be interested in ghost writing the memoir. and an invitation that i declined. >> well it is also i think what el chapo's people call it is not so much as a request as an order and it sounds like the attorney called you back and pressed the issue. how did you get out of the it. >> because even in the first phone call, i had said no. because i figured, the relationship between the ghost writer and the subject often ends badly and when it is choppo guzman, the head of the sinaloa
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cartel, that is particularly fraught and i said not interested and he said as you continue to entertain our offer. i've considered, i'm not going for this but thank you. >> i love it. the new book is "rogues, true stories of the grifters killers, rebels and crooks." thank you for being on this morning. and coming up, some of the stories making front page headlines including a secret $4 billion tax credit to gm revealed. a decade after it was given. "morning joe" will be right back. after ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ a ♪ and party every day. ♪ ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ applebee's late night. because half off is just more fun.
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♪♪ ♪♪ >> oh, my god. >> he gets stuck. >> oh, my god. >> he gets stuck! >> that's even better than i remember it. >> like me at the ice rink. >> time now for a quick look at the morning papers. yes, willie? >> i was going to say, for me it's the prime minister trucking a little kid during that rugby match. >> oh, my lord. >> just lowering his shoulder and mowing the kid down like earl campbell in the mid-'70s. incredible. >> ran over him. we go to the lansing state
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journal in michigan that reveals general motors received $3.8 billion tax credit from the state after it filed for bankruptcy in 2009. the credit was granted through the michigan mick growth authority program and was tied to jobs being created in the state as a way to incentivize the automaker to stay and grow in michigan. but the credit remained a secret with the state and gm arguing they do not need to disclose records about financial or proprietary information. but the michigan supreme court rejected that argument and ordered the release of details related to the credit. gm says the credit helped it create over 10,000 jobs in the state. moving out west, "the arizona republic" details how the u.s. department of justice is objecting to a new arizona law that requires proof of citizenship for people who are registered to vote only in
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presidential elections. the justice department says the bill turns back the clock on voting rights, calling it a textbook violation of the national voter registration act. the law was signed earlier this year by governor doug ducey. we can dig into that law a little more, joe, but a lot of squirrely stuff going on in the state of arizona, going back to cyber ninjas. >> the cyber ninjas. they get some -- i mean, they've got some freaks, weirdos, insurrectionists out there. it's crazy. michael reminds us this morning this is the carters' 76th wedding anniversary. jimmy and ross lynn carter. they've been married 76 years today. longest marriage in presidential history. a love story that began on the day that rosalynn was born. jimmy walked over from his house to hers and saw the newborn
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baby. >> oh. >> michael also writes that the carters collaborated to right everything to gain. they wrote a book together and asked of the experience, how wonderful it was, a husband and wife writing a book together. president carter said, one thing i hope people will learn from this book is not ever to try to write a book together unless they want to terminate a marriage. >> he is joking. let me tell you, my parents were very good friends. they spent lots of time together. i even had the honor of spending time with the carters and time at camp david with them. they are two of the most beautiful people i've ever met in my life. >> i also have to say, willie, if you read doctor's memoirs, he was smitten with mrs. carter.
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jimmy was patient. >> that does it for us. jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's live coverage after a break. us jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's live coverage after a break.
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