hello, everyone. welcome to msnbc headquarters in new york city. developing now, the fallout from british prime minister boris johnson 's resignation and the ripple effect across the pond here and in d.c. here and in d.c. the uk slips into a political season of uncertainty. how will it affect the united states? plus, a surprise in a russian court. brittney griner pleading guilty to drug charges. why did she do it knowing it could mean facing up to 10 years in prison? finally, -- 1000% cooperative with investigators. what else they're saying now. plus, the emotional damage --

>> we begin with the stunning news out of the uk. what can only be described as a full-scale political revolt from inside his own government forcing british prime minister boris johnson to resign just hours ago. >> in the last few days i have tried to persuade my colleagues that it would be -- i regret not to be successful in this argument. of course, it is painful. and not to be able to see through so many ideas and projects myself. my friends, in politics no one is remotely indispensable. >> that is true. there is still a lot we don't know. how long, for example, johnson stays in power before stepping down. but his resignation will no doubt introduce a new level of political chaos to america's top ally. particularly, at a time when economic pressures are escalating and global threats

from places like russia and china are becoming more dangerous. i want to bring intimacy keir simmons in london and jonathan lamere, host of msnbc's way too early. i heard you say earlier today there is no way around it, the uk is entering a season of uncertainty. what exactly does that translate to for the british people and what might it mean for us here in the u.s.? >> chris, i was talking to a british diplomat just a little while ago and he was reassuring that the mechanism of british government will work for example, britain's support for ukraine, opposition to president putin he says is supported by the british people . in a certain way, it doesn't matter who the leader is or who the government is. having said that, there is a norm is uncertainty about who the new leader will be or even whether or not boris johnson inside downing street there will actually continue to be leader as he once to the full.

you are right, it was a dramatic day. an end to a momentous political career. he walked out here into downing street and made this resignation speech that has no resignation in it he didn't apologize. he didn't seem sorry for the events. in fact, it is just as if he had been forced out. look, boris johnson, this colorful figure, who enjoyed political theater and leveraged it, in particular most recently with the ukraine crisis, has fallen on that same sword. because it was a cascade of political scandal which he was accused of lying that effectively left his party questioned whether he could win the next election. we have just been thinking about that moment with world leaders where he sat there and said, shall we all take our shirts off, just like president putin?

teasing president putin. laughing at have only boris johnson could do that. that is what we will be missing now in this alliance that president biden has built against president putin. >> to that end, jonathan, obviously, boris johnson's relationship with president biden is different than what he had with president trump how do you see this resignation impacting the ties between our two countries and what are you hearing from folks inside the white house?>> yeah. prime is her boris johnson was very close to former president trump. he and biden did not have nearly as warm relationship it was fine. they worked together and president biden certainly very appreciative of boris johnson's steadfast report of ukraine. ireland spin-up that aligns. white house has received those same signals that uk's support, no matter who the prime minster will be next, for ukraine, will not waver. we will hear more from the president this afternoon and a briefing from the white house

press secretary. i'm sure this will dominate the conversation. for now there is no real concern about the strength of the u.s.-uk aligns. it is a warning sign. there are now a number of these western leaders facing domestic problems at home. johnson on his way out. the president of france just offered major legislative defeats. now we have president biden in the u.s. suffering from poor polling numbers and his party in danger of losing control of at least one house of congress this fall. surly, global inflation as well as boris johnson's scandal at play here. boris johnson taunting vladimir putin, that was merely a week ago. i was on the coverage of that summit in germany for nato and spain. that's when johnson was doing a remarkable fall from grace for johnson. it looked like he was having a good time at those summits.

yet, here he is on his way out a short time later. >> i'm curious to hear how that was covered over there where you are. also, i think most americans are very aware of the partying during the pandemic scandal, if you can call it a scandal, for boris johnson. why now? five trend have why was he finally pushed to this?>> what we have, i think, here in the uk, their mucus, and in multiple countries is a split screen between foreign policy and the domestic situation. the form policy being so important, president biden framing it as a fight for democracy. as jonathan suggested, many of these leaders facing very, very difficult domestic politics. boris johnson was no different. as you mentioned, i, the image of parties inside downing street there when the country, the uk, was in lockdown and people were losing loved ones, was incredibly political he damaging more damaging than that was, the downing street attempt to mislead people and

tell the truth finally came out. than you saw it again with this story that a member of boris johnson's government had got, frankly, blind drunk, and was accused of sexual indiscretion, if you'd like, with a number of people. that story has yet to fully emerge. however, what it did you, again, with the boris johnson appearing to not be honest, because he said he didn't know anything about the history with this gentleman and then it turns out he apparently did. once again, the question of her boris johnson's integrity was front and center. i think it just came to the conclusion that was so damaging that he wouldn't be able to win the next election. which is extraordinary, because he was the first to say here in downing street a few hours ago, he won a landslide that they hadn't seen since margaret thatcher. >> finally, jonathan, you mentioned we are going to see the president later today

giving out some awards. would you expect to hear something from him specifically about this? >> only if he decided to take a shouted question from the press. we will hear from him in the coming days. certainly, in the brief this afternoon they will take questions about it. i think the white house perspective, you know, this is on the international stage, they don't feel like there relationship with you, or the uk support of ukraine will be impacted by this. far more concerning would be if inflation and fuel prices came to rise in the fall. out strain the alliance more than boris johnson's absence. >> great to have both of you on. from london to washington where the generous sixth committee is gearing up for tomorrow's big interview with former white house counsel pat cipollone after he agreed to sit for that videotaped transcribed interview for the first time.

cipollone has been considered a critical witness. he mentioned many times to the hearing so far . most notably, he is one who warned that the events of the sixth could get them charged with, quote, every crime imaginable. she also said his concerns started well before that morning. >> late in the afternoon -- aft- -- >> the white house deputy chief of staff operations. there are lawmakers who have called cipollone the missing link clearly, he did have an idea

were all of this was headed. beyond corroborating, potentially, hutchison, and that is important, what else might you know or have been privy to? >> one of the things that the audience should know is that the white house counsel is in so many meetings with the president of the united states. almost every meeting, especially things of high importance. that is number one. he saw donald trump in his best and worst moving into january 6th after the election. something that is also very key is that he is probably not going to speak about his interactions with donald trump. a lot of what he is going to give them some of this corroborating evidence from cassidy hutchinson and a lot of other people. names have been thrown around from folks that worked in the administration. there was a hearing on the pressure of mike pence in the run-up to january

6th. his name thrown out a lot. this committee will finally get to see and hear what he, how he thought about that. they will have been trying to get him to talk for a while. the thing that this committee has done really well and has gotten a lot of credit for is taking even those taped interviews and using them in a way that is really compelling. think pat cipollone talk about what kathy talked about and whether not he told her, you know, to make sure we don't go to the capital or we will break a bunch of laws and get in a lot of trouble. those are questions they really want to know, because it gives the mindset of the president and those around him at that time. >> we know there are concerns of executive privilege and attorney client privilege could limit cipollone's cooperation and what he's going to say under oath. what can he talk about?

>> look, he's obviously not going to talk about personal interactions he had with the president. he can talk about the decision- making process. he can talk about what was happening in the days leading up to that. he can talk about his advice to the white house, his advice to mark meadows. i think this is really important moment for swing voters. 40% of independents haven't decided. these hearings have been so well done that the missing link is the white house attorney who is an incredible witness. he stayed very loyal to president trump since the election and has been at one of his most ardent defenders. i was watching focus groups of swing voters and she was incredibly persuasive to those voters. what she said and how she said it and how nonpartisan she was. i think it's another very big moment to have donald trump's former white house counsel in there talking about this and

why his counsel was there. they did exactly what donald trump wanted them to do. >> did you get a sense from that focus group that she was somebody who persuaded them that crimes may have been committed?>> i did. i think she was very persuasive. the way she laid it out. the way she was very honest about it. she had very good details. she talked about the days leading up to it. she didn't seem to have an ax to grind. she didn't seem to be partisan. it was really persuasive to these swing voters with inflation, with the war in ukraine, and every thing else going on -- starting to want to draw some differences about what to decide about this whole mess. i think committee has done an exceptional job using these clips and using other things to lay out the facts. that's why i think the baloney's testimony is so important. >> the testimony is tomorrow.

maybe we will see some of it. maybe next tuesday for the next hearing. maybe in a different setting. that to the hearing is focused on who was in the crowd, extremists, proud boys, oath keepers. do we have any new details about the focus or who might testify >> not just to might testify, this committee has done a good job. what we know is that there is a question about how much, if any, interaction with folks in the white house and some of these militia, the white nationalist groups in coordination. that is what this committee is, one, trying to find, and partly what they expect to present on tuesday. because, there are, you know, we talked about president trump and what he was doing that day in the days leading up to january 6th. then there was, obviously, the

insurrection, the day of. this committee is tying all of these loose ends and tying all of these theories of the case together for the american people, for the department of justice, who is also watching all of this. if there was conversations with folks that worked in the white house with these groups, who many of them were armed and it seemed like there was planning, a lot of planning went into the idea of going into the capital. when you hear from cassidy hutchinson that president trump knew that folks had weapons and said let them in any way, they are not here to hurt me. when you hear cassidy hutchinson talk about president trump wanting to get to the capital with these folks, all of these questions are interconnected in the minds of the committee. >> thank you. standing by. we will be watching together. still to come, what is next for wnba star brittney griner

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there is a sickening saying , consider what we have learned in the past there so. a scathing and crushing report that shows uvalde, texas police officer not only had a rifle, but had the gunmen in his sights and didn't pull the trigger. executive director of the organization that wrote the report addressed what happened this morning.

>> the officer saw the suspect moving along the side of the building and moving toward the door in the northwest corner. and had an opportunity to shoot that suspect, potentially. before he did he called and asked for permission to fire. by the time he got a response he turned back and look at his supervisor and the suspect had entered the building. >> that's not all. it was one of a series of missed opportunities to save at least some of the 19 children and two teachers who died. in highland park the only explanation officials have been able to give her the carnage, seven lives lost, is that the legend gunmen had an obsession with violence and the number 47. in an interview with the near post his father said he talked about a mass shooting with his son the night before the massacre. joining me now from austin is nbc correspondent sam brock and nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter. you and i talked yesterday about the possibility of charges against the dad. maybe civil suits.

this has raised a lot of questions about red flag laws. i've got a lot of questions about red flag laws for people who said i thought we had good protections in place. help us understand. >> i think politicians and law enforcement are saying, boy, this could be a very useful tool potentially preventing some of these types of incidents from occurring. that there might need to be a real public education campaign to people in the states that have these laws. as far as how to use them mainly, one, it doesn't necessarily generalize any criminal record. which parents undoubtedly are concerned about with their kids. they don't want to put them he had a ball with that wrecker before the have really started their lives. the same point, they want to try to help them. you don't even know to go to the police under many of these laws. again, it depends on the states, so check in your own state. you can go directly to the court and petition the court and say, look, i have a reasonably need to believe

someone will hurt themselves or others if a judge agrees with you they sign a search warrant on the spot can have police go and get the guns lawfully. there is a legal process that ensues after that. these are not something that go on forever. these protection orders. there are those that can challenge it. it at least takes away dangerous weapons from an individual who might really be thinking about doing something. it gives people a chance to get that person help or you can contact law enforcement and they can do the exact same thing. they can say, look, based on what we have been told. they can go to the judge and it goes through the same process. i think people need to understand the old see something, say something, which here in new york we are so used with terrorism. we can use these red flag laws for granted, is not just a tip call, but you can use these red flag laws to your advantage if

you see something to at least alert authorities and give them a chance to get guns away from individuals. >> i used the phrase at the top sickening, saying that's what we see with the high-powered rifles. immediately almost they said it wasn't ar-15 type rifle. we saw a picture yesterday, i think it was the rifle left in the car. >> yes. somewhat different weapon. >> somewhat different. what we know about the one that was used, because there has been a lot of conversation about how fast this all happened. it was 80+ shots fired in a very short time. >> based on the timeline we received from law enforcement, as well as people who have reviewed the videotape, some of the interviews you did we're talking about one or two minutes of shooting. this is a fairly popular version of the era 15 weapon. it is and ar-15 weapon. a 30 round magazine is lawful. that's what he had on him. >> not an extended clip>> no. we are not talking about an extended clip. this is a

different weapon, but the weapon that he used, 30 round magazine is completely legal. went through two magazines, a portion of a third. and had 83 rounds they found behind. it happens so fast. >> in uvalde we knew of multiple shootings with a law- enforcement response early on. this new report revealed a whole other level of missed opportunity. what more can you tell us about it? chris, the most rattling revelation that we learned yesterday was the idea that there was a police officer, as you said, who had the shooter within his sights. 148 yards away. and was waiting for permission to shoot here is the important context, there was no guidance in this report whatsoever that says an officer should be waiting for permission, should not be waiting for permission that went unaddressed. what the report did say is that it's within the effective range of in ar-15 platform weapon to shoot someone at that distance. state requirement only compel

those police officers to fire the weapon when it's 100 yards or less. this was, clearly, a gray area. i would like to point out some of the language in the report as this police officer is finding out whether or not he has permission. he turns over, according to the report, and tries to ask his supervisor. he says the officer turned to get confirmation from the supervisor. when he turned back to address the suspect he had entered the west hallway unabated. that was a matter of seconds. later the same report says reasonable officer would conclude in this case, given the totality of the circumstances, the use of deadly force was warranted. this isn't the only issue that was identified before the suspect went into the school. there were three together two was the door that was open. there was a lot that had prompted open. they said a teacher failed to look, according to the report, whether or not the door was locked. the shooter was able to come in. a school resource officer sped by the shooter. report says if he had slowed

down and parked on the edge of the property he probably would have seen the shooter. knowing this medley of areas, we spoke with the father who losses nine-year-old daughter and here's what he told me. >> it doesn't make sense. you check the doors and make sure it's locked. they didn't do that. again, the windows are another way. they failed to do that. there are so many scenarios i play in my mind over and over that could have been done. it's just common sense tactics that could have been done and weren't done. they all failed to do what they had to do. they are all cowards. >> 19 law-enforcement officers have testified before the texas committee and how says the investigating this police response. one of them is not a uvalde sheriff for the county. he has just received a notice of deposition. >> thank you both very much. in a russian courtroom

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now to that surprise move in a russian courtroom where wnba star britney greiner leader guilty to drug smuggling charges. if convicted she faces up to 10 years in a russian penal colony. greiner was arrested just days before russian's invasion of ukraine after russian authorities say they found vape canisters with cannabis oil in her luggage. matt wagner is in london for us but i also want to bring in dire who serves as a senior director of cabinet affairs in the obama white house. matt, you covered the story from moscow in its early days. take us through what you know about what happened in court and what happens next for brittney griner. >> thank you. today was definitely unexpected. we were necessarily expecting to hear much from greiner, if at all. it was surprising when we heard later she had admitted to guilt on both charges that she faces in russia. on drug smuggling and the other

just on possession, which combined would give her more than 10 years. if prosecuted fully. that is one thing. we are still waiting to see what the next steps will be from the court there is a hearing next week on the 14th before we heard about her admission of guilt we assumed that to be designated for a judge's questioning of griner. the russians will follow that process and that could take up to a month. we are still a month away of wind will actually see a formal sentencing of any kind. this gets us to the next stage for griner, which is a potential exchange. this is the thing that, clearly, griner's family hopes to see. this is what a lot of speculation is centered on. russians themselves have talked about it just this morning we heard from the russian deputy foreign minister who said that until the russian courts finish their process with griner there's really nothing for the u.s. and russia to discuss. it's clear their intention was

to prosecute this to the end. an interesting point that was brought up by the relatives of paul whelan, the other high profile american detained in russia, saying he hopes for admission of guilt hastens the and justice she is facing. it now allows russians to begin the political game that everyone thinks they are playing with this one. >> let's talk about that political game. take us behind the scenes of what is likely going on here, your former employer, the state per department as well as the white house involved in hostage affairs. any doubt in your mind they played a role in this decision and why do it strategically? >> they are actively involved in talking to brittany griner's family , lawyers, and trying to navigate what is a deeply political situation. this is not independent. it is very much part of the challenge the united states is facing with russia over the war in ukraine. brittney griner was arrested shortly after ukraine was invaded by russia. she is a high profile political

hostage. this is not about the rule of law in russia, it's about rule of putin. if it was rule of law she would have gotten a slap on the wrist, like any of the others in russia who have carried marijuana of such a small amount that's usually a two month suspended sentence. she is being threatened with, potentially, 10 years in a penal colony, because this is about putin maximizing his effort to stick it to the united states. potentially, getting much, much more valuable, to him, hostage in return. >> the secretary of state mentioned the other american detained in russia. some of their supporters expressed concerns. she is getting special attention from the white house because of her celebrity. of course, the former u.s. marine, paul whelan, is among them. is it a fair criticism or is a kind of backwards? as you say, she becomes more valuable, because of her celebrity. >> the irony about brittney griner's presence in russia is

that the she was there to make the kind of money she should be able to make in united states. she had actually played for the russian national team for 10 years. she was a known quantity. a very popular public figure in russia as well. accusation against her is something that every day russians don't even have to pay the price that brittany is paying right now. the other accusations, whether or not there tree, are of a higher nature against the americans who are detained. the that as it may, it is currently the challenge of her family to try to figure out how they can keep her safe. we have seen the biden administration has tried to reach out, but has, effectively, said that until this technical process in russia is over there is no room for negotiation or hostage swap that required, sad to say, brittney griner to plead guilty to something she was unlikely to be guilty of. >> thanks to both of you. on capitol hill is a popular plan with voters to cut the cost of prescription drugs,

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get ready. things are about to get very interesting on capitol hill with a proposal that would be cheaper prices for prescription drugs. but, as is often the case and easy, what's popular with voters can get bogged down with congressional complications. in its simplest form the proposal will allow the government to negotiate cheaper drug prices for medicare recipients as well as cap the amount they have to pay for prescriptions at $2000 each. it's part of a slimmed-down plan after the $2.2 trillion build back better act stalled in the senate when senator joe manchin opposed the deal. joining me now here in studio, embassy capitol hill correspondent allie vitali. so good to see you in person. tell us about this plan and what are the chances, really?>> when you pick through the parts that have been negotiated

through, that's on prescription drug pricing and cap the price per year to $2000 for these folks who are paying to the medicare program. that's prescription drug pricing. there are other pieces of the steel that are still actively renegotiated. they have been done quietly over the course of the last few weeks between joe manchin and chuck schumer. there still pretty far from a final deal on this even as they have one bucket of this, so to speak, seemingly, settled on homicide goals and prescription drug prices. the other pieces are on energy, so,, proposals. and on taxes. joe manchin, the build back better folders from last year, joe manchin's regular refrain was he wanted to make sure everything was paid for. that is top of mind for him right now . >> nobody is going to say, yeah, let's do a nice big tax cut. and then there is the timing issue. there is this recess coming up. >> exactly.

there have been a lot of dates bandied about on they want to get this done before the august recess. democrats want something to show for this now much slimmed- down marquee package of what was billed back better, but is now just maybe build or build back. i don't know pickets less, obviously. i think it would like to be able to message that. i think there's also some tension one of the other things they want to talk about is a piece of legislation they have been trying to do on microchips that has been stalled in the legislative process on capitol hill. we have heard from senator mitch mcconnell that if democrats want to move forward on reconciliation, this build back better package, they're not going to be at the table for that bipartisan manufacturing of chips legislation package, something republicans and democrats wanted. there is tension here on these two pieces of legislation that could be the last things we move on the hill this year picks up one of the questions i get out there all the time, and i bet you do too, how does joe manchin have so much power? it's not complicated when you

look at the numbers. >> a £.50 senate. that is the key and always has been. is mentioned and a lot of these cases, remember joe manchin was the person who was often thank you wasn't there on a deal and taint the entire endeavor. cinema is along with him as well. lawmakers come back to town next week. this is now in the bloodstream in cd in d.c. we will see if they think there's enough momentum to get anything done on either of these pieces that are not at the finish line yet, but certainly, they have sub momentum behind them. >> good to see you. thanks for coming in. after a mass shooting like the one we just had an highland park how can you help to heal the emotional scars of children who witness that violence? i will talk to someone who knows that pain and fear like this all too well. >> i'm really scared of loud noises. fireworks scare me.

>> i am so scared of noises. like, police sirens and stuff. .

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at this hour nearly $3 million has been raised for the two-year-old left orphaned by the mass shooting at highland park, illinois. other children were wounded. still more ran through the lives when shots rang out and they are now dealing with at home. nightmares, fear of loud noises , sudden tears. and adults in their lives are left to figure out what to say, including grandparents, like hal and jerry who were there with their five grandchildren. >> i, as a grandmother, have to console my grandchildren and tell them i'm very proud of them and they did the right thing. he kept their heads on straight and listened to directions and did what they were supposed to do. and then say to them, but, do you know what? i can't promise you this is not going to happen again. i can't promise you you're not going to be involved in a situation like this again. you have to keep your eyes open. keep your head on straight. you want them safe. you don't want them walking around the streets looking at their cell phones

and not seeing what is around them, what's going on. they have to be aware. we haven't gotten this under control. god for bid, a tragedy can happen in a split second they have to be aware. yes, it goes to my heart that my grandchildren had to grow up like this. yes. he survived the shooting at columbine as a student. i'm so appreciative you came back on the program. you've called yourself an elder of gun violence and also proof that there is some healing after a tragedy like this. so today what is your message to that community and to grandmothers, mothers, fathers who worry about the impact this has had on their young children? >> right. i think my message from my experience would be that in times like these, the community needs to come together and fulfill the meaning of community in its truest form,

unconditional support, unconditional love, compassion and simply showing up for each other. there's no right words you can say in this moment but showing up and truly fulfilling the ideal of being a community can build stability and comfort again that can promote and help in the healing and recovery process. i also think that requires investment in the pillars of communities, schools, community centers and support for families that can allow parents to be at home more often with their kids. i think those things are aspects of helping communities. >> is that going to be your message on monday? i know you're going to this bipartisan meeting at the white house. i think it's called the safer communities event. you're going to have the ear of some people who have the ability to get things done. what's your big message? >> yeah, i think looking at supporting survivors and offering support for those who

have experienced gun violence is huge and i'm excited about this bill, that there's money in there that hopefully can be used to support survivors. i think you had me on the show about a month ago, chris, and thanks for having me back. and i asked congress at that point to do something before the students returned in august and they did and so that's really i think a victory but it's not far enough or does enough. i think there's still more that can be done to prevent these tragedies that we're seeing at too frequent a clip. >> and we do talk after uvalde, as we did, and now after highland park when there's a mass shooting. i want to show you, zach, some reporting from gabe gutierrez, our correspondent, who took a deep dive into how gun violence is impacting young people in this country and how one hospital is trying to make a difference. let me show you that. >> when madison blackmon was

rushed to the hospital, the bullet had barely missed her brain. >> the minute i seen black. it was like ink spilled in my eyes. >> reporter: in january she was out in a car with friends in brooklyn when out of nowhere -- >> it sounded like people had a handful of 20 balloons and they all started popping one by one. >> reporter: did you realize what it was? >> yes, i knew it was gunshots. >> she was taken here. >> we've already seen more kids this year with bullet wounds and any other year total in history at this children's hospital. >> reporter: any teen-ager who comes to the e.r. for any reason is now asked a series of what some might say are uncomfortable questions. >> how often have you heard guns

being shot? and in the past six months, including today, has someone pulled a gun on you? >> reporter: the nurse and her colleagues are hoping to not just treat gunshot wounds but prevent them. did you ever think this would be part of your job description in. >> no. >> reporter: shootings are now the leading cause of deaths of kids and teens in the usa. you see it as a public health issue. >> it is a public health issue. it is the number one killer of kids in our country right now. >> reporter: six months later, madison's physical wound are healed. the psychological ones are not. >> what did i say alive for? why did i survive? after covid, things have gotten more ruthless. >> reporter: ruthless, a powerful adjective for a

16-year-old. >> being so young, you have to grow up so fast in a place like this. >> the idea of survivor skills breaks your heart. she was an innocent victim. you worked with kids in the classroom. what have they told you about their concerns about gun violence in the country and what do you even tell them at this point? >> it is in our collective consciousness. i think kids unlike 23 years ago, they show up to school and have that thought in the back of their mind of how they're going to respond, what they're going to do in that moment and that's a reality that kids across america are entering schools thinking about and that's a part of their reality and i think that's kind of a sad indictment of where we are at this point. i try to remind them that they're safe and, you know, they are for the most part. and build that sense of comfort so that they can focus on being students and being teen-agers. but this is the reality that

right now schools and public spaces seem to be targets for this type of violence. that's something that is hard to wrestle with. there aren't exact words that you get to say that will ease that reality or, you know, resolve all anxiety around that. that's a real burden for our young people to carry. and that's a tough conversation in the classroom to have with young people and to encourage them to feel safe but also address the reality of our society at this point. >> a responsibility that should be all of ours to help those children, teen-agers, feel safe. zach martin, safe travels to d.c. let us know how it goes there. thank you again for being on the program. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday here on msnbc.

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