great to be back with you here on "the beat." thank you for spending time with us. you can find me online @arimelber. "the reid out" with joy reid starts right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ tonight on "the reid out" -- >> at some point we have to conclude that enough is enough. i believe that point is now. >> it is clearly now the will of the parliament try conservative party that there should be a new leader of that party and, therefore, a new prime minister. >> british conservatives give boris the boot in direct contrast to america's republicans who not only never held trump accountable but still stand by him despite all of his misconduct. also tonight, none of the

existing think tanks wanted him so team maga has set up their own insurrectionist clubhouse. i'll be joined by the journalist who revealed this maga snake's nest. we'll look at this particular demographic of young men who seem to have the same demographic of disturbing grievances. two parties separated by the atlantic ocean. we are stuck with the party willing to gulp the kool-aid. it goes back to brexit. it was a decision fueled by anti-immigrant hysteria. for many brexiteers, it was the idea to make british great again. save it from cultural mutation.

that vote should have been our warning sign. trump echoed the very same anti-immigrant propaganda. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. some, i assume, are good people. >> the political chaos that ensued in brittain eventually led to boris johnson's elevation to prime minister. he promised to finalize brexit, to make it happen. johnson is a spoiled saion is plagued by scandals. here is where we see the divergence between the conservative parties in britain and here at home or between an actual functioning political party and whatever you want to call today's republicans because when the toris realized how much of a reputational drag johnson

had become on them, they revolted. more than 50 cabinet members resigned this week to protest a series of scandals at 10 downing street putting intense pressure on johnson who today announced he would be stepping down. can you imagine such a thing happening here post nixon? of course not. because unlike brittain or even the republican party of the 1970s, our modern conservative party more closely resembles a cult with trump as their divine leader. this maga party comes equipped with its own armed faction willing to act on the orders of the party boss. we're going to learn more on that on tuesday as the january 6th committee holds its next public hearing. the proud boys, oath keepers and 3 percenters and what they did on january 6th to nearly up end our democracy. joining me now is michael steele, an msnbc international

analyst and keir simmons who is live from london. keir, i am fascinated by parliamentary government. i think in some ways it is more stable. the prime minister doesn't report to the public as much as to his party. he serves in parliament with them. they can oust him. can you talk about the ways that dynamic made it possible for boris to go? >> reporter: you know, joy, i woke up this morning with commentators comparing boris johnson to donald trump in the sense that he wouldn't concede, he wouldn't say sorry and then just a few hours later watched him here in downing street come out and make that resignation speech without ever saying the words, i resigned, it was in a way a triumphant resignation speech claiming that he had a huge mandate from the british people. but here is the point and why he had to go. he had to go because of scandal after scandal. he had to go because his own

party decided he couldn't win another election, but it was possible for him to go because he is not a president, he is a prime minister. so when he won that huge landslide election last election, as big as margaret thatcher, historic, it wasn't him that won it. he was wielding the party. it was by his party that won it. it was his party that had the mandate and it is their prerogative to be able to tell him, okay, it's time to go. by the way though, they are having to drag him out of that building clinging on by his fingernails and the ags of the british constitution really got stretched. there was talk by yesterday that perhaps he would threaten to call a general election, that the queen might have to decide to tell him he couldn't do that because his party still had a huge majority in parliament, it was perfectly capable of choosing someone else to be

leader and therefore prime minister. also, joy, one other point, not to say what's happened here hasn't damaged what's happened to brittain's reputation. is this how democracy works? others of course would say democracy is messy, but tonight here in the u.k. it looks like democracy is holding. >> you know, i think the other thing -- thank you for explaining that. michael, because the other issue is the queen's name was called there. in great britain there is someone else around whom there can be a cult personality, right? the prime minister. you don't see the cult personality. the cult personality around margaret thatcher, it was pro ragan people who wore shipped margaret thatcher. here it's the president. i want to show you scandals. boris had scandals but they were minor compared to trump. look we're going to put up his bill of particulars. everything from what's happening in georgia, disrupt the 2020

election, lawsuits from the naacp and the ku klux klan act. mary trump suing him for basically stealing her inheritance. e. jean carroll and unlike the tory party in brittain, trump's party refuses to ditch him. there is no embarrassment. why do you suppose that? >> yeah. i think that's what keir just really excellently pointed out some of the stark differences between the approach even though near the end there there was some evidence that boris was probably looking for a way to sort of, as keir put it, stretch the british constitution. you're right. the queen still sits atop of all of that. that's not our system. what you see with the british

system, that even with the most revered and popular of prime ministers, winston churchill, for example, at some point folks get tired of him. >> winston churchill got tossed. >> yeah, exactly. churchill won the war, the greatest war ever, five, six years later, people like, okay, thank you very much. that's not our political culture anymore, but what it does say in stark relief because of the similarities between our two nations, we have fallen very much more on the cultish side of it. our parties are basically fekless, they're inept. they do not have the same kind of power center structure to discipline, to enforce discipline, to move political players around the chess board. that's rather old school how i was brought up in d.c. and

maryland. it was much more hands on. you had much more control. that's not the case today. a lot of it is because particularly with republicans, and a little bit with democrats with the bernie bros and things like that, you see this sort of cultural element, this sort of swamps, the political, that takes over the political and drives those narratives and ultimately two things happen, either the party leadership enforces control and reins it back or do what we've seen them do it here, in america, particularly the republicans, acquiesce, capitulate. >> keir, i don't want to make you the psychoanalyst of american republicans. it has become completely fused with a certain kind of

evangelical reasoning. brexit was close to what i've seen it come to. it was ugly, racist, anti-immigrant. it had a lot of elements of bannonism and trumpism. why do you suppose in brittain that did not result in an insurrectionist thinking and insurrectionist action there that it's destroyed the political culture here? >> reporter: well, i mean, one of the things to remember, i think, about brexit is that it was swiftly followed by covid and then of course the war in ukraine, so the trouble is that economically speaking the impact is clouded. it's hard to tell. there are, for example, i have the experience of trying to get some medicine, for example, for my kids and not being able to get it and thinking, i think that's brexit, but i'm not sure, is it ukraine?

so i do think that the verdict on boris johnson will be made by the historians. listen, he's been in you power for less than three years but he has been incredibly influential. in some ways as president trump, there are many differences. he has been the politician who seemed to walk on water to defy political gravity and to do things no other politician could. i do think there is a culture here in the u.k. of ruthlessness in politics, a lack of respect which in a way has some benefits. there was an old left wing politician called tony benn who said the first thing i want to know about a politician is how do i get them out? and if boris johnson has to go here, you will see the removal trucks outside this door very, very fast. there is a debate tonight about whether he will even make it to the fall as he says he wants to

by the time a new leader is chosen. we should be careful of comparing. the british democratic system has struggled. joy, in france they have macron who is president. there's political paralysis. every system has challenges and strengths. >> every system has its trump. they have marie lepan. michael, here we just have a different toxic mix. we have guns aplenty, guns everywhere. armed factions that can harm the public and then you have the particular power that the administrative state has. we've got this story about the irs. you know, it's very hard to

imagine that both mr. andrew mccabe and comey get these super audits and that's now sparked an investigation. there are ways that you can be -- you know, do retribution from the white house here. we don't know that that's what happened but that's sure what that looks like. the presidents have a lot of power they can use individually. >> that executive authority is primary and it is one of the big issues with our founders about the checks and balance between that executive authority and the legislative authority overseen by a judiciary. and what we've seen in modern times, certainly post late 20th century and early parts of this century, is a reflective reaction, if you will, to that administrative state, which is what trump came in talking about, you know, going after it and beating up on it.

ragan sort of mused about it and had some nice quips about it, but when he got to the presidency pretty much kind of used it the way other presidents had used it. same with other republican presidents, but with trump, it was really about deconstructing that administrative state, which is not something that we have seen in european history, recent history at least. to keir's point, there's some things you can't overlap to say one for one comparisons. what drives us beneath are a constitution and bills of rights and so forth that are driven around abortion and guns and things that are enshrined one day and maybe as we've learned not so much the next day. >> yeah. kicked under the bus the next day. >> that drives the body politics. >> when this all happened and we heard the boris news, there were two people i wanted to talk to. keir simmons and michael steele,

thank you both for being willing to talk to me. you guys are the very people i wanted to speak with. much appreciated. next up on "the reid out," inside the insurrectionist clubhouse. "the reid out" continues after this. clubhouse. "the reid out" continues after this

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actually that obscure at all in right wing circles. take the right wing attorney. she was also in the news this week as one of the seven trump allies and attorneys subpoenaed by a grand jury fulton county, georgia. she is still working to disrupt the next election and the one after that. in may mitchell recruited and trained an army of poll watchers through an effort ironically called the election integrity network, a project of the conservative partnership institute. known as cpi. it employs mark meadows and its related groups are home to a slew of maga names more familiar due to the january 6th committee investigation. they funded center for renewing america, employs jeffrey clark, the justice department lawyer who tried to install himself as

attorney general to do trump's bidding and kashyap patel. and the america first legal foundation is, wait for it, stephen miller. suing to make plaque farmers not allowed to get the money. former south carolina senator, jim demint. he ran the heritage foundation only to get the boost from being too close to trump. the cpi has close ties with version 2.0 of the tea party, house freedom caucus. co-founded by none other than mark meadows during his days in congress. several other members have been subpoenaed. jim jordan, scott perry and andy business. in other words, a lot more names that we'll likely to hear as the january 6th committee hearings continue. grid news say they have made an

invertible clubhouse for insurrectionists. maggie, thank you for being here. social media producer shared this with the team and i was fascinated by it. i read it and reread it. talk about the cpi. who are they? what about this clubhouse that they're running in d.c.? >> thanks so much, joy. this is really a story about i would say the organization and the money that's been behind a lot of things that we've seen. in the lead up to january 6th, on january 6th and after these efforts to push back against the january 6th investigations. we looked and we found ten different organizations all connected to a single townhouse on capitol hill that is being leased by cpi but there are, as you mentioned, a bunch of different groups, pacs that all lead back to one place. >> they got money from donald

trump, slush fund, $250 million from it. they got the million. who else are the donors? >> we just noted. trump raised a whole lot of money after the last election. he gave $1 million to the organization. there are a couple of other really big name gop donors like richard buline who has backed trump and far right candidates in recent years. he's put millions and millions of dollars in investigations. he gave cpi $1.2 million. a lot of this, cpi, the affiliated organizations, some of them are tall, dark money groups. we know it's grown to being a $20 plus million organization over the past few years. >> kirk, what's interesting, it's a home for the b list level, if i can be unkind, level of people who worked for donald

trump who when they left didn't get picked up by the heritage institute or cato institute, they wind up here. so this place is like scooping up people who, let's just face it, would not be like presidents of universities after they leave the white house. what do you make of this? it's the collection of the matt gaetz friends club. >> yeah. if you are the b list of the trump world that means you're probably the d list everywhere else. that's exactly what this group is. let's call it for what it is. it's a safe harbor for domestic terrorists who want to lead and incite a domestic insurrection. it keeps the gryff that is donald trump going and have another tent tackle to raise money, funnel money and watch people enrich themselves off of donald trump.

it always astonishes me is that people send these people money. he gives it to himself or his staff. nothing actually happens with it. it is the ultimate griff. it's almost the illegal defense fund in waiting for these people coming under microscope and under investigation for the january 6th committee. >> a lot of people are running podcasts out of there, marjorie taylor green, matt gaetz. they're using this building to run other mini businesses and media entities, right? >> yeah. that's an important aspect of the story, this is part of a communications machine. peek like lauren bovert. they do tv hits out of cpi. you have a chorus of people like mark meadows who have large twitter followings. at times you can see people

pushing back against what we're seeing in concert. it's interesting. you feel like all of these voices are coming from different directions and one thing we've noticed in our story, sometimes it will be four people who work for different organizations underneath cpi. it feels like all of the disparate voices but it's really a chorus coming from one place. >> i was saying in the break, curt, i say this to my poor team, one of the things the media did miss is the tea party. the way the koch funded grassroots network ate up the republican party. now it is the majority. now maga is the new version of it that's taken over now. you now have mark meadows who is the ogt or trying to start a house georgia caucus and trying to metastasize that. arizona's already been gobbled up by the same kind of maga weirdness. why do you suppose the republican party is -- they are so efficient at taking extremism, marketing it and then

shipping it out to the states in these kind of bizarre ideas taking hold. democrats don't really do that. >> yeah, i always say that, you know, there is more of us than there are of them. the little amount that they have is so organized. and it's a playbook that we saw, like you pointed out, in the earlier part of the 2010 decade. it was kind of from the ground up. they worked at the state and local government. they were funded by the koch foundation and koch brothers. they were able to transform really the republican party beneath all of our noyess really. now that they have the reins of power in so many places and statehouses, they're now reduplicating that playbook and applying it to the here and now. certain maga candidates are endorsing school board candidates now. that's how granular this really

gets. no matter what happens in the 2022 election, there is a whole giant election that is organized that targets every down ballot race in every state we care about. if we don't match up with that, we're going to have major events going forward. we'll have extreme minority views. >> desantis is on that school board thing. last word to you on this, maggie. you talked about some of the things they are behind, attacking critical race theory, some of the usual stuff. is there a coherent set of things that these folks that are connected to this organization want, that they want done to society? >> you know, i think you could ask that of the broader republican party. we see a lot of anti-wokeness, trans rights, immigration, sort of a social policy there. i think a lot of the messaging we're seeing come out of cpi is really kind of an anti-messaging

rather than being pro a lot of things. you see people arguing -- the january 6th committee arguing against what happened in the 2020 election. you mentioned calida mitchell's group and they would call it election integrity and some people would fear it interference. >> that's the difference between them and the tea party. it was a set of people out there protesting. in the end they wanted what the koch brothers wanted. they wanted deregulation of the rich. maggie severance, excellent reporting. thank you very much for being here. curt, thank you very much. still ahead, what do you get when you blend narcissistic alienated young men carrying social grudges carrying assault rifles? our modern society, and that's what's next. r modern society, as

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adolescence. he warned when society breeds too many narcissistic males determined to get even with the world that denies them their due, fame, recognition or sexual mate they think they deserve, we are all in danger. that could not have been more prescient. since then mass shootings have been perpetrated. we still don't know the motive for the highland park motive, the 21-year-old was steeped in some of that rhetoric. leaving behind a violent trail. tom nichols, contributing writer at the atlantic. an old piece you wrote years ago, that piece we were just discussing, i said, wow, that is so prescient. it was almost like prophecy. that is what i said to you. talk a little bit about this because we do have a demographic

similarity between many, not all, but many of the mass shooters, young, white, armed with an ar-15 against women, people of color. >> i was struggling. that was seven years ago. i had to go back then to figure out what is common about these young men. they all seem plagued by a combination of a towering amount of narcissism coupled to an immense amount of insecurity, grievance and perpetual adolescents. joy in your intro you mentioned that they think the world has left them behind. i think it's worst than that. they think the world has not paid them their due. the world does not respect them as much as they think they should be respected, which is out of all proportion to anything they've actually done. these are just, you know, ordinary people. ordinary people live ordinary

lives and these young men, you can see it in the things they say. they believe they are the heroes, people who are going to change society and added to that that they are just awash in easy access to guns and it's a really dangerous phenomenon. but i think the narcissism is really the thing that's at the root of it all. i'll just say, i was a practicing political scientist but i am not a social psychiatrist. i'm struggling as an older man, after i wrote it i got a call from people in the national counter terrorism center. we'd like to talk more with you because we're struggling with the same thing. we think there's something here. i think that a lot of people look at this problem are coming to that conclusion as well. >> we've always had grandiosity. there are people who think more

of themselves, think they should be driving a ford, driving a lamborghini, have the beautiful woman, they can't get a date. they've always had that. something has definitely shifted. there was a point in our history of the country people thought they were on mission, particularly when it was race related, could get together and they would do things like lynchings, over run places, where they wanted to kill a lot of people. what you're seeing now is people are doing it alone. these aren't groups of people getting together to lynch someone, this is one person who is a one man lynching person to kill crowds. >> this is a phase all young men who go through. it's adolescents. that's why the word is an adjective itself. it's adolescent. in previous ear ras young men are socialized out of this.

to put it another way, they grow up. you know that young men who have adolescent thoughts of playing soldier, rescuing the world eventually grow out of that. they have to get a job and wash their face. again, it's an impression on my part is that they don't seem to ever internalize that. waking up every day and saying, why aren't i tony stark? why aren't i the starve a marvel super hero movie? it's childish, but it is incredibly out of proportion to the way they live their lives and then this anger builds up and they start shooting people. >> they have easy access to guns. you have tucker carlson who tried to blame the shooting in

highland park, you had marjorie taylor green who is an idiot making up false information. i was struck by the dad, robert crimo sr. he said his previous threats he made to the family, i think that was taken out of context, he says. police were called but it was taken out of context because the son said he wanted to kill everyone. it was a child's outburst. he took no responsibility. he said he has good morals and he's the one who sponsored him to get the weapon. what do you make of that? if you were growing up with somebody like that that makes those kinds of excuses for you, not as surprising you would be the kind of guy you would be who you are. >> if you are growing up with someone like that, you're not growing up. that's part of the problem. the first thing i thought is, wow, how could a young man end up with this inability to take responsibility?

and i think, you know, that's -- that lengthening of childhood and adolescence is something that we couldn't afford to do as a society until 30 or 40 years ago which is a strange actual unintended consequence of affluence. there was a time when young men just simply had to get out of the house and go to work because that's just the way it was. now i don't know in any spgs one circumstance what creates these young men because they come from different backgrounds. a few of these shooters, by the way, happen to have been young black men with the same kind of towering kind of narcissism. there was one mass shooter who was a young african american man who said he wanted to talk to hillary clinton on the phone. get her on the phone. i'm very important. people need to listen to me. these young alienated losers, you know, i often wonder about the family situation where people have been making these

kinds of excuses for them and then providing them with weapons. this is shades of sandy hook where you had a very emotionally disturbed young man and they decided the solution was to take him to a shooting range with powerful young weapons. there's something very wrong going on here at this level of society and i think we're not really confronting it yet. >> yeah. i mean, we talk about the easy access to guns which is the huge problem. we're watching murder porn and it's all combined. there's something deeper taking place. i wanted to talk to you about that. thank you. have a great evening. up next, brittney griner pleads guilty in a russian courtroom. it's not like she had any other choice, of course. be right back. d any other choice, of course. be right back.

in a russian courtroom today wnba star brittney griner pleaded guilty under duress to drug charges. she has been detained since february when authorities contained they found vape cartridges with cannabis oil. she is one of 60 people wrongfully detained and a vast majority with whom the united states has complicated relationships or none at all. they are closely monitored by the state department special presidential envoy for hostage affairs. effectively the government's

chief hostage negotiator. that includes paul degreeland. his family expressed frustration that his case was being overlooked because he doesn't have celebrity status. representative from the u.s. embassy spoke with griner and delivered a letter that she read. this is a day after the president spoke with griner's wife to assure her that he is doing all he can to win her release as soon as possible. russian diplomat has warned that increased disruption of griner it makes it difficult to engage in any possible discussion of any exchanges. despite her plea, her trial will begin next week. her detention has been extended through december 20th. michael mcthall. it's terrifying to think about

this young woman stuck in russia. she of course had to plead guilty. i can't see how anything else could happen. how possibly does a deal get done to get her and also peel wheeland out of there? >> well, like you said, we have a special negotiator for those tasks at the state department and they did do a deal weeks ago to get trevor reed out of russia. they handed over somebody who had been in prison here for a long time. if you read what the russians are saying, people close to the kremlin are saying, they think a deal can be done for another criminal. his name is victor booth. he's serving a 25 year sentence here in the united states. once she's been convicted and sentenced, right, that's why i think they decided to plea guilty, to speed up the process, i think there's some hope there might be a deal done for her.

i know the wheeland family are hoping he'll be a part of that and one other american, mark puguld who's been charged with laundering marijuana, that he might also be part of that deal as well. >> paul wheeland, we should note,this happened under trump n his family tried to go to the trump administration who didn't want to hear anything with the work russia in it. so they have thought it would be doubly frustrating -- it didn't do anything for mr. wheatland. he actually on june 6th went to a rally for brittani brighter after he was released. he talked about some of the things he dealt with wall eaves incarcerated. he said the food and conditions in russia or medieval. he says they live in a cell that looks like it's something out of the middle ages. americans can't imagine what the place looks like until you actually see it for yourself. these conditions that brittani is living in right now. i think that is what scares

britney's family and whelan's family because it's not like -- american prisons are bad enough but this is even worse. >> the conditions are very horrific. there is variation by the way, but i've been to russian prisons. you don't want to be in a russian prison and you don't want to be in a system where there is no rule of law. the appeals process, getting out in terms of leniency, none of those things operate in russia today, and that's why i think the family rightfully thinks that the best way out would be some kind of swap as i said for this job gentlemen. >> would it be likely for russia if they were gonna make a deal to get back their bad guy to give back brittani brine or griner or are they now inside of a size that they have a wnba star to try to extract more bad guys for each of the people i have.

>> that's a great question joy and i don't know the answer to that. i do think the case here is pretty unique. it's a finite number of americans, or not talking about hundreds of americans, we're talking about three. victor boot remember, he's a criminal, is a drug runner, he traded arms around the world, but he also probably has close ties to russian intelligence. we can't say that for a fact but reading about his background, he sounds like the guy who probably had a lot of post dealings with organizations that were successor organizations to the kgb. remember, vladimir putin also used to work for the kgb and he really wants this guy out of jail. they were even asking for him to get out of jail when i was ambassador several years ago. >> she had brittany griner's initials put on her jacket. 13 people trying to -- the w bs been wonderful about

trying to show support for britney griner. what can the people to, russia is essentially threatening the united states and those of us in the media that if you talk too much about their awful system that hurts her cause. for a while, we didn't talk about her at all, not because we didn't care, but we are worried that it would elevate her situation as a hostage. what should we do? >> my own view on that, i know the deputy deputy foreign minister who made that comment was complicating things. they arrested this person wrongly, they are hurting holding paul whelan wrongly for years. mark vogel got 14 years in prison. those are wrongly held american citizen so, we should do everything we can do to keep this in the news. it doesn't mean it's going to be easy. i want to keep emphasizing that. it's going to be hard to do this deal, and there are forces in america who don't want to do this. people in the justice department don't want to give up criminals.

i understand that argument. my own argument is it better to get them out of jail that not. victor putin has already done a great deal of time in jail, let's try to take this deal if we can get. it >> came in, let's bring these americans home. former ambassador michael mcfaul, always a pleasure. up next. a power cleanser for this day in this era. president biden awarded the medal of freedom to 17 americans who he says demonstrate the power of possibility. up next. he say demonstrate the power of possibility.

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americans appear on the stage. i have the honor to recognize today with the presidential medal of freedom. this is america. [applause] >> today president biden awarded the presidential medal of freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor to 17 extraordinary people. among the recipients, to superstore olympians. also honored, academy award winning actor denzel washington who's unable to attend because of a covid positive test. kathy diverts congresswoman and sandra lindsey who was the first woman to receive a covid-19 vaccine. two veterans of the civil rights movement, diane nash a founding member of the student nonviolent coordinating committee and attorney fred

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