good morning. we have a lot of breaking news this morning. starting with japan's former prime minister, shinzo abe, assassinated overnight, shot by a gunman while giving a speech. we'll bring you a live report from tokyo. just in, a better than expected june jobs report showing 372,000 new jobs were added. labor secretary joins us live. in ukraine, president

zelenskyy says his country will not see cede any territory and putin warns he's prepared to drag this war out. we'll talk with the former ukrainian president live. and right now, former trump white house counsel, pat cipollone, is testifying in person behind closed doors before the house january 6th committee. and we begin with the breaking and stunning news from japan. overnight, japan's former prime minister, shinzo abe, was assassinated at a campaign event in nara. the moment captured on video. a warning, it may be disturbing. abe was shot in the chest and the neck while giving a speech. he was quickly rushed to the hospital before his death was

announced at 5:00 a.m. eastern time. abe was 67 years old and had been japan's longest serving prime minister. police say a suspect was arrested at the scene and is being investigated for murder. the killing shocking the world as gun violence is incredibly rare in japan. joining us now with the latest is former cnbc tokyo bureau chief and from washington, nbc news white house correspondent. what happened this morning and what other details are we learning? >> reporter: well, japan is stunned, jose, at this assassination in broad daylight that happened on a random friday midday as the former japanese prime minister shinzo abe was giving a speech on behalf of a candidate campaigning ahead of national elections on sunday. we have a few more details emerging as to what led up to the events. we know a suspect is being held. we have heard from the nara

police, which is investigating this homicide. they have the suspect in custody. they say he's a 41-year-old male and that he used a homemade gun to conduct this assassination. the police said that it was a homemade gun made of metal and of wood and they have also been conducting a search in his home near the incident also in nara city and they have also found explosives there. they have also told us that the suspect held a grudge against an organization, although they would not specify which, which he thought the former prime minister was a part of, but they did not give us any further details beyond that. as you pointed out, this was in the middle of a day in a country that prides itself on being one of the safest in the world. gun violence is effectively unheard of so the country is in shock to learn that their longest serving prime minister is now dead. nearly six hours after that

shooting incident and it comes at a time when the nation is really in disbelief still and i think this will leave a very permanent scar on the national psyche here in japan. >> it's so unusual on so many levels as you say, but the fact that this person had a homemade, from what it sounded like, it sounded like a blast. a homemade rifle or weapon of sorts and then you say that they also found explosives in his home? >> that's right. eyewitnesses quoted by the public broadcaster, nhk, said they heard two rounds of ammunition. the first was a loud boom according to one eyewitness that came from what she described seeing like a toy bazooka. then that eyewitness was saying the prime minister looked back at that time then after that, she heard another loud boom.

as you pointed out, guns are, you can technically have a gun here, but getting a license is just so difficult. getting the ammunition is so very difficult that i think most people in japan go their entire lives without ever seeing a gun being drawn. even from a policeman. that is how rare it is here in japan. we don't know a lot of other detail other than he was a 41-year-old male. he was unemployed. he seems to have had a grudge against some organization or institution. we don't know the details of that yet. i should also point out that prime minister shinzo abe, people will start to talk about his legacy, but his party, the liberal democratic party, is an extremely huge party that swings very widely from right to left and he was firmly in the right specter of that spectrum and as you know, he was always a big advocate of rewriting or reinterpreting the japanese pacifist constitution to give

the military a stronger. we don't know if there's any correlation to that. at the moment, the country still in shock to hear their longest serving prime minister is now dead. >> give us a sense of what a major figure abe was on the international stage. >> sure, as the longest serving prime minister of japan, he had a number of relationships with world leaders and we've seen an outpouring of condolences from around the world. from president biden issuing a statement saying he was shocked and deeply saddened. he said he was a champion of the alliance between our nations and the friendship of our people. the longest serving japanese prime minister. his vision of a free and open indo-pacific will endure. we've also heard from former president obama who had a relationship with abe during his time in office. recalling their visits to

hiroshima and pearl harbor, saying he was shocked and saddened by this. and former president trump who met with abe multiple times saying this was bad news for the world. and continues around europe. we've heard from a number of world leaders and even russian president putin offering his condolences for this assassination. so you can see how a figure like abe had established relationships around the world with a number of world leaders. he's very well-known. someone who's familiar to a lot of those heads of states currently serving and we've just been hearing from a number of them expressing shock that this would happen in japan. shock that this has happened to the former prime minister and again, just expressing deep sadness and shock over this. >> thank you so very much for being with us this morning. we're also following a big story here at home and that's a jobs report which provides more evidence that the u.s. economy

is, well, very resilient. government reported that employers added 372,000 new jobs in june. the unemployment rate stayed at 3.6%. we look down into it, black unemployment fell by four tenths. hispanic unemployment remain unchanged. president biden issued a statement on the report saying the u.s. has recovered all jobs lost during the pandemic giving credit to his administration's policies. with us now to take a closer look at this is u.s. labor secretary, marty walsh. pleasure to see you. what does this tell you about the state of the economy? >> it shows that our job market's strong. the president mentioned in the statement about the private sector fully recovered. we're also seeing the manufacturing sector recovering. warehousing. childcare, we've seen readings in childcare, people going back

to work in that industry. that's good for the long-term sustainability of our economy because it was hit hard during the pandemic. many of those places had to close and having more childcare availability for parents will help us get more people back into the job market. there's about 5.6 million people on unemployment or not in the market and having good, strong childcare will help us get more people in. so we're seeing nice, steady movement here and feel really good about the report and quite honestly about where we have come from since president biden has taken office in getting people back to work. >> in the past couple of months, we've seen the number of first time employment claims tick up. a sign that layoffs may be on the rise, secretary, but at the same time, there are still nearly two job openings for every unemployed worker. how does the job market seem to defy all these fears of a potential recession? >> as far as unemployment numbers, we saw a tick up, but

we're still the lowest number of unemployment since the 1970s. so we're still seeing good opportunities there. you know, i think what we have to do is stay focused on recovery. focused on moving forward. recovering from the pandemic. the president certainly is taking on the challenge of reducing costs that people are feeling at the gas pumps at the kitchen table and inflation. we laid a plan out. i had my piece to do with it when it comes to supply chain. whether it's a shortage in trucking. so we just need to continue to move forward. americans have gone through a lot in the last two years. the world has. inflation is not just a united states issue. it's a global issue. >> americans continue to go through a lot and a lot of them are seeing that their pay is not in any way helpful versus inflation. secretary, there's one issue i want to ask you about. we kind of bore down on this. the mission square research institute says that in april, state government employment was nearly 2% lower than before the

pandemic while local government plan was 4% lower. jobs like teachers, firefighters, police officers, sanitation workers. bus, train drivers. public sector hiring is lagging behind the private sector. is this a trend that continues and could it have an impact on the services we all depend on? >> there's no question it's going to have an impact on the services. that's one of the numbers, as the former mayor of boston, i look at those numbers all day, every jobs report, and government hiring is down. that will indirectly in cities an towns have an effect across america. teachers, teachers aides, bus drivers, trash collection people, water and suer jobs. all of those jobs in our communities, if cities decided during the pandemic in boston, we didn't have to lay anyone off but a lot of cities had to lay people off. they're not rehiring them.

there was money giving to cities and towns across america and hopefully we'll see those investments in those jobs lost. it's about providing a service to constituents and quite honestly, that's what cities an towns will have to do more of. >> as a former mayor, how do you change that paradigm? in other words, you know, people were let go of and how do you bring them back? how do cities change that? >> you're going to hear it from your constituents. if you're out there and when i go to a city as secretary of labor, i look to the streets, the trash, the development, all those things. when the people start letting, complaining or being concerned about something, then you have to act to that. you have to react to that. and some of these reactions might be to put people on payrolls. i think that there was an opportunity here, cities and towns. i don't think they intentionally did it to cut their costs and lower their head count, but i think at some point, if it

impacts your ability to run your city, you have to change that. many cities and towns still have american rescue plan funds that have not been spent yet. >> secretary, it's always a pleasure. thank you very much for being with us this friday. >> thank you. coming up, former president trump's white house counsel, pat cipollone, sits down with the january 6th committee for a taped interview. plus, ukrainian officials say at least six civilians have been killed in the donetsk region. the former ukrainian president joins me next. the former was racing just making spaghetti... but i didn't wait. i could've delayed telling my doctor i was short of breath just reading a book... but i didn't wait. join

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now to ukraine where russia is stepping up its attacks in the eastern part of the country. russia has been pounding donetsk with rocket attacks and air

strikes which experts say could be a prelude to a full scale assault. the head of the administration says at least six civilians have been killed. 21 have been injured just in the last 24 hours. this comes as russian president putin told parliamentary leaders yesterday, quote, russia has not even started anything serious in ukraine yet. with us now is the former ukrainian president. president, it's always a pleasure to see you. want to start by your reaction to putin's comments that russia hasn't started anything serious in ukraine yet. >> this is not a message for ukraine because putin do whatever he can, attack in the 4,000 kilometers. this is the message to the whole free world. this is the message for the united states. because immediate after him speaking of the russian

parliament, he said we should rise up the question for the -- and this is what we all the time mentioning. this is war not against ukraine. this is the war against the whole free world and that's why we need vital unity and creation of anti-putin coalition because putin is killing the dozens of thousands ukrainian civilians and he definitely do not stop if you do not stop him. our appeal, let's stop him in ukraine. to do your job and with that situation, this is the vital. to deliver to ukraine absolutely new type of weapons. what we need to stop putin. three things. weapons, weapons, and weapons because this is the new type of war. war of drones. war of artillery.

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weapons necessary for something like this. i can imagine you didn't think this would happen in our lifetime, but can ukraine hold back a full scale russian assault in eastern ukraine with what it has? >> ukraine never give up. and we definitely please don't have any doubt that ukraine will throw russia away from every square meter of the ukrainian soil. and just as an example when in the year 2014, 2019, when i was supreme commander in chief of ukrainian armed forces, we liberated the two third of the russian occupied donbas. and with that situation definitely we use in just defensive weapons but we have absolutely different armed forces because me as a president of ukraine, supreme commander in

chief, created a new ukrainian army. learning and having a strong motivation to win this battle. this is our soil. we defend our people. we're defending the freedom. democracy and our choice for our future to return back to european family. russia has no motivation for that. >> thank you for being with us this friday. >> it's a pleasure. thank you very much. >> thank you. right now, former trump white house counsel, pat cipollone, is meeting behind closed doors with the january 6 committee. what we know about this interview and what to expect from the next public hearing on tuesday. the i was scared. i didn't know what to do. learning that my daughter had a heart attack really shook me. it brings home how important it is to

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outside of the building where the committee is meeting. and lisa from the rachel maddow show. what do we know about the agreement between cipollone and the committee? >> reporter: the interview inside this building, it's under subpoena but it's the result of months of negotiations as to what can and can't be asked today. there is no agreement as to what can and can't be asked. of course, he could be invoking executive privilege on some things relating to conversations with donald trump, but there's a good chance he has a lot to say because he was in the room when it mattered. he was the white house counsel from 2018 to the end of the trump presidency and the lead defense man for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he was not involved in the second because he didn't want anything to do with trump's false claim of election fraud and he's been mentioned

throughout the entirety of these hearings over the past few months. almost every witness has mentioned a conversation they had or heard about having with pat cipollone and he could also corroborate the conversations, especially that cassidy hutchinson made in the previous hearing as it relates to what was happening with donald trump wanting to go to the u.s. capitol and pat cipollone reportedly according to hutchinson saying that he could break every law in the book if that had happened. jose? >> lisa, it's good to see you, lisa. you wrote for msnbc that it's key how cipollone testifies. what do you mean by that? >> i think it's really important, jose, that cipollone is going to be on the record and that he's going to be videotaped. and that's less important than whether you take an oath or not. the fact the committee will have this tape means they're in position to use it next thursday when at the wrap up hearing, we're poised to hear from a

number of white house staff in the building and can talk about what trump was doing in those 187 minutes when there was no action from the white house. >> after last week's hearing, you wrote one of the most stunning revelations was that cheney's disclosure that the potential crimes just keep coming. what do you mean by that? >> i think one of the things she dropped at the end of that hearing was that there might be witness tampering going on. we know now thanks to congresswoman cheney that former president trump used campaign resources to potentially pay for the lawyers of various witnesses before the january 6th committee. that raises concerns about their independence and whether or not their position to testify in a way that's truthful and accurate as anyone would expect before congress. >> lisa, do you see the committee's work, at least the public part of it, is having an impact on the doj? >> you know, it's really hard to say, jose, whether it's having

an impact on the department of justice or not. but we've had various commitments from the department of justice that they will pursue their investigation as far as it takes them. that they're watching this every day. i think merrick garland has said he and his team are watching all of these hearings. they're trying to get access to the transcripts they've collected. so i believe the committee is having an impact on the department of justice. exactly how far that will go we can't say at this time. >> lisa, ruben, and gary, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> thanks for having us. today, president biden will sign an executive order protecting access to reproductive healthcare services. this comes exactly two weeks after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and a day after the abortion clinic at the center of that case, the last remaining clinic in mississippi, shuttered its doors. with us now is nbc news chief white house correspondent, peter alexander.

what does this executive order do? >> reporter: president biden has been under pressure from advocates to do more after the supreme court reversed roe v. wade so, today's action marks what i think you can call key but certainly limited steps. he's going to direct the federal government, the department of health and human services to work to protect access to abortion and to other reproductive services like contraception. this order he's supposed to sign also instructs his administration to expand access to family planning services and to abortion medication. those pills approved by the fda as safe and effective for more than 20 years. they account for a majority of the abortions in this country right now. and among the white house's efforts here, jose, to help ensure the safety of patients and providers including supporting efforts to deploy mobile clinics to borders to provide care for women in neighboring states where abortions are now or soon to be

illegal, privacy, obviously a key priority here. the white house moving to protect patients' sensitive medical information and this order will provide leave for federal workers who travel for medical care. it does fall short of what some activists have been demanding like the declaration of a public health emergency, but the president i'm told, jose, will again push congress to guarantee the right to an abortion, but of course right now, the votes simply are not there. >> peter alexander at the white house, thank you so much. a shocking moment this morning on the world stage. former japanese prime minister, shinzo abe, assassinated at a campaign event near kyoto. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports. t a campaign event near kyoto. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they used to

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assassinated overnight while speaking at a political rally. abe was japan's longest serving prime minister, a towering figure on the world stage. taiwan's foreign ministry called him the island's staunchest friend. a giant on the world stage and great friend. boris johnson said abe's global leadership through unchartered times will be remembered by many. emanuel macron said abe dedicated his life to the country. obama said in a statement, i will always remember the work we did to strengthen our alliance. traveling to hiroshima and pearl harbor together. joining us now, gordon chang. also a pleasure to see you. talk to us about abe. his importance and certainly his legacy. >> well, his importance to in

current times was that he was the leader of the biggest faction in the governing liberal democratic party, which means he was one of the most powerful figures in japan even though he wasn't the prime minister. this creates a big vacuum. you've got to remember that right up to his second term, there was political instability in japan. revolving door prime ministers. you had eight years of abe, but after abe leaves in 2020, then you've got two years of instability. two different prime ministers. this is going to destabilize japanese society and it occurs while the united states is having its internal problems. china, russia. you have the biggest countries in the world, the most powerful, important countries in the world are having problems internally. japan just got added to the list a few hours ago. >> and someone looking at this very closely is china. abe had a relationship with china. how is that, do you think, his

death being seen from the chinese perspective? >> the chinese had been trying to destabilize japan anyway. this week, forget about abe. there was a chinese -- in the east china sea around the islands of the japanese called the senkakus. there were chinese planes near japanese territory. so i think china's going to try to destabilize tokyo and they're going to be successful, at least in the short-term because there is there vacuum. there is going to be all this controversy. the chinese will play up on it like they do in the united states and in other countries. >> the fbi director issued a warning about china. pretty remarkable. saying china might be inching closer to invading taiwan and they've tried to shield their economy from potential sanctions. what should we be taking away from this extraordinary public

news conference? >> it was an extraordinary conference, jose, because for the first time ever, you had the head of mi5 and director wray together on the same stage talking about the same threat, which is china. i think they were being quite realistic about it. china has said this is just cold war smears. no, it's not. what the director was talking about is something real. china trying to even think about assassinating a candidate in the east coast of the united states because they didn't like him. >> what do you see now with the post abe reality and you're right. it's a destabilization of a very stable country. even if they've had, you know, political shifts in change. but this is, what could it create for the asia pacific area? >> i think it is going to make

things certainly unavailable because you have south korea nearby. now they've got a new president who fortunately is very pro american. but you know, you have a region in flux and for a little while, the japanese are going to take time to figure out what to do and that society will really be out of the picture. japan had been moving very much to be a forefront of it. it is in the quad, the security grouping with india, australia, and the u.s. matter of fact, the quad really is an outgrowth of abe's ideas. in the first years of this century, he proposed the free societies of east asia and north america get together. everyone was so worried about china, engaging china, that everyone rejected abe's ideas and the world would be a better place today, jose, if everyone had listened to abe 20 years ago. >> it's interesting. he had, he was able to establish quite friendly and good relations with american presidents from obama, biden,

trump. even the bushs. >> yes. he had that ability to understand what japan's interests were, to be patient, to work with others and this really is a hallmark of the stable political system. you don't see that right now with the revolving door prime ministers. >> just finally, what are you looking at when you are seeing what's going on in the region as your biggest concerns? >> right now, we see the chinese pressing, the philippines, very dangerous activities. at the same time, they're going after the east china sea, the senkakus. this is chinese assertion. it is really going to be india. a lot of people are hearing the chatter that china will renew its pressure in the himalayas. which means in the south and the east you'll have controversies that china's provoking. >> and china is also very interesting in latin america.

>> it certainly is. next month, they have these exercises. china, russia, iran, about nine other countries. they're going to participate in these large scale drills and you have the red electoral wave in latin america for the last couple of years. just last month, you had a leftist elected as president of colombia. this is a region that's going towards china and we americans have ignored the importance of latin america and the caribbean. >> absolutely. and these exercises are going on sponsored by venezuela. >> by venezuela. >> gordon chang, i thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate your time. >> thank you, jose. coming up, loved ones of three of the highland park victims will gather today for their funerals. how the community is mourning and the latest on the investigation, next. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc. watchin and must be taken within 5 days from when symptoms first appear.

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and we're learning more about the wounded including 8-year-old cooper roberts. he remains in critical condition after being shot in the chest. he suffered a severed spinal cord and it's unclear if cooper will ever walk again. cooper's mother and twin brother were also struck and suffered injuries from shrapnel. both have been released from the hospital. joining us from the latest is shaquille booster. of all the difficult days, today is going to be another very painful one. >> reporter: without a doubt, jose. that pain and heartbreak will be on full display and you see it all across the city of highland park. for example, look at the vigil behind me. you see people bringing flowers, balloons, candles. of course today you mentioned the funerals will begin for

three of the seven victims. the funeral for jacki sundheim and nicolas toledo zargoza. funeral arrangements for the other victims will likely extend into the weekend and into next week. we also know about the people who are still fighting in the hospital. fighting for their lives. we're talking about the 8-year-old who came out to the july fourth parade, cooper roberts. we learned this morning from the family spokesperson, he'll likely be paralyzed from his waist down. he liked to play baseball and soccer. his family asking for prayers as he continues the fight in the hospital after getting shot in the chest. meanwhile, the investigation continues. the area where the shooting happened is still blocked off. investigators are still working their way through that, but we're learning more and hearing more from the family of the suspect.

i want you to hear what we heard from uncle of the suspect, which is much different than the tone we heard the day before from his father. listen here. >> we're just sorry -- we're very even believe it. very hurt. very hurt. no sleep. and my whole life changed. >> reporter: now, we also know that there's a family assistance center here in highland park. that is where folks are going to receive mental health treatment. more than 300 people -- that was as of two days ago. we haven't gotten an updated number. but hundreds of people have sought out that mental health services. there's also financial aid for folks who are not able to get back to their homes and businesses as this scene is locked off. this is very clear this is going to be a long recovery not just for the families who lost loved ones, those seven families, but for those who are still praying for their loved ones and those

across the city who are affected in various ways. >> thinking about 8-year-old cooper and all of the victims. thanks so much for being with us. coming up, covid cases in our country, they're ticking up again. what you need to know about the new variant that's become the most dominant strain. we'll break it down next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." t strain we'll break it down next you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.

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this morning, new data shows the number of haitian immigrants deported from the u.s. dropped shortly last month after deportation numbers for haitians went up in the last year. biden administration allowed haitian migrants to come to the u.s. after legal and immigration advocates filed for them to be blocked from title 42. border officials say that's encouraged people to come through legal ports of entry instead of trying to cross the border undetected. last month, 130 haitians were apprehended between ports of entry, down more than 7,000 in the month of may. many haitians have fled the country in the turmoil since the president was assassinated one year ago this week. take a look at pictures from port-au-prince, the capital, protests on the anniversary of that attack. haitian people still taking to the seas looking for a better

life. turning now to concerns over possible summer wave of covid infections. the omicron subvariant ba.5 is now the most dominant strain, making up more than 50% of new cases. health officials say the subvariant is the most contagious version of the virus yet and can more easily evade vaccine protection from previous infections. it's not believed to cause more severe illness. joining us now, an internal and emergency medicine physician. doctor, it's great to see you in person. >> it's great to be here. >> let's talk about this subvariant. omicron, this new subvariant is back in our country. >> it is. it's definitely back. we have some reports that up to 53% of new cases of covid are because of this variant, jose. >> what are you seeing in your practice? >> we see the same thing. we're seeing a lot of cases. fortunately, the vaccines that we have so far and a lot of americans got so far, they're incredibly strong against death and hospitalization.

that's great news. but we're seeing more people that go to the ers because they're feeling feverish and fatigue and then they turn out to have covid. >> and they're talking about now moderna and pfizer looking into maybe fine-tuning their boosters for the fall for this new variant. but is that something like, you know, is this variant going to go through the population and a new variant comes up before the fall? >> it's quite possible. but what is mind blowing is we're talking about this, right? we're talking about a manufacturer, a vaccine manufacturer, creating or tweaking a vaccine so it's more appropriate for a subvariant that we just found. >> yeah. the early research out of the university of tokyo suggests these new variants are targeting lungs again. that would be kind of different from the original omicron. have you been seeing any of that? >> no. no, i've heard this news. we've read about these case reports, but we haven't been able to conclude that that is what's happening in the united states. >> so, doctor, i personally know of people who got some version

of omicron and three months later got this new variant. so, there is no immunity. there is no -- from either vaccines or from having covid before? >> so, this case -- they're quite common. and the reason why is because the first subvariants of omicron arose in february, march. and now these ba.5 just took over the country. as i said, 53% in a matter of three or four months. now we're seeing these cases get reinfected again. and that will continue to happen for sure throughout the fall as well. >> so, doctor, talk to our people. what do we need to do? how can we protect ourselves over something that's now just coming through over and over again? >> absolutely. i think we're tired and understandably so. you know, we're drained from all these things that have been happening in the last three years. but we have to be careful. just don't go all the way out. try to use your mask, especially

in closed spaces. try to be smart. let's do things the way we like it, but just be very smart and very cautious about it. >> are we going to be seeing as of the fourth of july holiday, the people who are traveling, the people who are getting together in large groups, are we going to see now in the next couple of days a big spike? >> absolutely. and we're seeing that in latin america too. so, it is a pattern, and we will see it for sure. >> i'll tell you, you know, it's so difficult. it's just like this is the never-ending issue. >> so, the thing is, i read this column by dr. shah, which is extremely on point. he said, we got the science right, but we didn't get the social science right. and, you know, this is for us to figure it out. how are we going to get a country to follow instructions in an easy, friendly way? i think we have to start developing science in terms of communication. >> yeah, and this happens in latin america. i think it's important that because of the interconnectivity that we all have with latin

america that they also are part of this discussion. >> absolutely. and you can see the differences, right? and now people don't listen to big organizations because the communication happens in a vertical fashion. so, we have to learn that modern communication happens in a horizontal fashion. social media, celebrities. >> following you is a good way of getting a lot of the information in an easy-to-understand way. thanks for being with us this morning. that wraps up the hour for me. i'll see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. you can reach me on twitter and instagram @jdbalart. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. thanks so much for your time. good day everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. following breaking news abroad and at home. a warning that some of the images coming from japan are really graphic. japan's longest serving