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of this discussion. >> absolutely. and you can see the differences, right? and now people don't listen to big organizations because the communication happens in a vertical fashion. so, we have to learn that modern communication happens in a horizontal fashion. social media, celebrities. >> following you is a good way of getting a lot of the information in an easy-to-understand way. thanks for being with us this morning. that wraps up the hour for me. i'll see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. you can reach me on twitter and instagram @jdbalart. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. thanks so much for your time. good day everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. following breaking news abroad and at home. a warning that some of the images coming from japan are really graphic. japan's longest serving former
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prime minister, shinzo abe, a transformative figure and an important ally to american presidents, has been assassinated by a gunman at a campaign rally this morning. the killing sending shockwaves through a country completely unaccustomed to gun violence. on capitol hill right now, donald trump's white house counsel pat cipollone testifying at a closed session of the january 6th committee about those key moments described by previous witnesses where he was warning the white house and the president against illegal efforts to overturn the 2020 election. that panel is preparing to hold two more public hearings next week. at the white house this hour, president biden taking executive action to defend abortion rights, trying to ensure access to abortion medication as well as emergency contraception. this in the aftermath of the supreme court's decision overturning roe v. wade. even as the last abortion clinic in mississippi is shutting its doors. and a strong jobs report out this morning showing 372,000
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jobs added last month, and the unemployment rate holding steady at 3.6%. does this ease fears of a recession? we'll have jared bernstein, a key member of economic advisers. first the latest on the assassination of shinzo abe? joining me janis mackey frayer joining us from beijing, and victor cha, a former national security member who has worked with shinzo abe. and janice, first to you. what do we, anything about this hideous assassination, so, so unusual for japan and so shocking to the country and the world? >> andrea, former prime minister shinzo abe died after being shot in the chest and the neck while giving a campaign speech. he was air lifted to hospital with no vital signs. doctors say they tried to resuscitate him, and he died a few hours later. abe's death is profoundly
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shocking for people in japan. it's a country where gun violence is almost non-existent. the gunman was tackled at the scene. he's said to have a military background. police say they also seized a homemade shotgun that was apparently used in the attack. they say they also confiscated several other homemade guns from him. this suspect has apparently admitted to the crime, according to police. he said he was motivated not by political beliefs but by what he called a dissatisfaction with abe himself. the big question for police today, how was it that a gunman was able to get past abe's security detail? and that's a question police say they are still investigating. in a statement from the white house, president biden said he is stunned, outraged, and deeply saddened. and secretary of state blinken speaking today from a g24
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minister's meeting in bali. this is what he had to say. >> this is shocking. it's profoundly disturbing in and of itself. prime minister abe was an extraordinary partner and someone who clearly was a great leader for japan, for the japanese people, but also so -- we really, really deeply mourn the loss for his staff, the loss for his family, the loss for the people of japan, the loss for the world. >> reporter: shinzo abe was a political giant in japan and still prominent even after stepping down, always visible, often polarizing. he's credited with propping up the economy and boosting japan's diplomacy. people are now placing flowers at the scene where he died.
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again, japan has some of the strictest gun laws on the planet, that abe's death is by gun violence is going to have a profound impact. that's a point that can't be overstated. >> and victor, you worked in the white house when shinzo abe was prime minister. he was transformative in so many ways, moving japan to a more defensive military posture against china, in support of taiwan on trade issues. talk to me about his policies, but the man, the human being you knew. >> yeah, andrea. so, i got to know him when i was on the nsc, and one of our areas of responsibility was japan. and i met him on several occasions one on one. and you know, he was just -- first of all, he was an extremely knowledgeable person. you know, politicians aren't often that deep. but he was very deep on almost every issue. he had expert bureaucratic
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knowledge on almost every issue. and that was always impressive to me. firmly, firmly pro-alliance. he's about the best friend the united states can have as a leader in japan, a major democracy. i think in many ways he anticipated the threats to the international order long before other leaders did. so, quite thoughtful. i know he's often painted as being sort of a real hawk on the political spectrum, but he moved a left of center security debate in japan more to the center and right of center in ways that were beneficial both to the united states and to the liberal international order. so, this is really quite a sad day. >> and janice, as you were pointing out, there was technically one -- one -- fatality from gun violence in all of japan last year. they just don't have a gun
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problem there. >> gun violence is -- almost doesn't exist because so few people actually own guns. for a person in japan to buy and own a firearm, they need to pass through 12 different steps, including a written exam, a gun safety course, a doctor's okay, and an extensive background check. so, there are guns for hunting, but in terms of gun ownership, it's just not as widespread. and that is why this is so deeply shocking for people that shinzo abe has died by gun violence. >> it's the loss of a really important leader at a key moment where china is using its muscles. and we see the china/russia alliance and the g20 is meeting right now in indonesia and is fractured by the war in ukraine and all of these other divisions. it's a terrible loss.
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janis mackey frayer, and victor cha, thank you so much. on capitol hill this hour, pat cipollone, donald trump's former white house counsel testifying before the january 6th committee behind closed doors. recent testimony placing cipollone at the center of those day's events, january 6th, trying to get the former president to stop the violence and warning the president and his team that attempts to stay in office or try to go to capitol hill that day were unlawful. joining us now, nbc news national reporter sahil kapur and robert gibbs, boston globe columnist, kimberly atkins, and betsy woods. welcome all. so, cipollone arriving in a suburban earlier this morning, a critical witness. they've been trying and trying to get him. they really publicly shamed him as liz cheney did so emphatically at the other hearings to come in because he was resisting testimony. so, what are they expecting to get from him today? >> that's right, andrea.
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those images you played were of pat cipollone arriving on capitol hill for his deposition around 8:30 this morning. our team caught him taking a brief break with his lawyers in the middle, but they are back at it. this is a testimony behind closed doors, although it is expected to be video taped and transcribed. a bit of background on pat cipollone. he spoke to this committee informally back in april. he resisted sitting down for a formal deposition. all that changed last week when they dropped a subpoena on him. they alleged participation in the scheme to subvert the election result and stay in power whether it's through the use of fake electors set to congress or trying to get his justice department at the time to sign off on groundless claims of mass fraud that could have changed the election result. it also is no coincidence that the subpoena came just one day after that shocking testimony from a former white house aide
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cassidy hutchinson, who had serious fears -- who rather said pat cipollone conveyed serious fears to her about what would happen on january 6th if the white house officials allowed trump to go to the capitol as he wanted. let's play what she had to say in her testimony. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> pat said something to the effect of -- and very clearly had said this to mark -- something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood's going to be on your fing hands. >> and a big open question is whether cipollone will corroborate that testimony under oath. >> so, robert gibbs, you've served in the white house. you know the importance of the white house counsel. the white house counsel is the
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lawyer for the office of the presidency, not for the president. >> right. >> but he does have legitimate executive privilege issues that he could raise, lawyer/client, i guess privilege issues. and some questions. but we he knows a lot about what was going on and he was in a lot of these meetings. >> yeah, andrea, i think we'll know the real impact of pat cipollone's testimony later today when we can figure out or hear from the committee the degree to which he answered their questions and either corroborated or didn't corroborate what we heard recently from cassidy hutchinson. or will he invoke executive privilege? he can waive that executive privilege and answer those questions. i think it will be interesting to see when we see parts of this transcript whether pat cipollone went in today as donald trump's lawyer in the white house or the counsel to the office of the presidency of the united states. it is likely that those two
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different hats will produce answers to two different sets of questions. but undoubtedly, a remarkably important day to hear exactly what's going to happen. and what we know that cassidy hutchinson said and how much is corroborated. >> well, apologies for that phone call. so, betsy, you know, you've been covering this committee intensively. they're going to be holding two hearings next week, one in prime time on thursday. what do we know about their focus coming up? >> we know that one priority for the first hearing next week, on tuesday, is going to be domestic extremism. this is a hearing that jamie raskin has been helming the preparation for. we expect that member of congress from maryland to play a lead role in orchestrating the hearing. in that hearing particularly, i would encourage people to pay attention to the extent to which the committee focuses on major tech companies, on the internet platforms that these far right
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extremists exploited to organize for the violence and chaos that played out on january 6th. we know the committee has had an adversarial posture toward these companies. they subpoenaed at least four of them several months ago because they were frustrated that the companies weren't being as forthcoming as they should have been in regards to the steps they took before and after january 6th related to the domestic terrorism, national security issue. if these companies don't come up in a tuesday hearing, then i think it's not very likely that they will get any sort of on-air, live pushback or scrutiny from the committee itself. all those companies are going to breathe a huge sigh of relief if by end of day tuesday they haven't come into the committee's very much laser-like focus. and then on thursday, a big question is to what extent does the panel widen its lens? are they looking to bring in former white house aides?
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is this possibly part of their closing argument? there's less clarity about what specifically they'll be looking at that day. and of course remember these schedules have been a little fluid. so, i wouldn't be shocked if the thursday hearing is something that they don't get totally nailed down until a little bit closer to the date. >> kimberly, cnn also obtained video of that raid on donald trump's justice department ally, jeffrey clark, the man he tried to put in charge. federal investigators surprising him in his virginia home. let's watch a little bit of that. >> let's step outside. >> just real quick. we've got to clear the house. is your wife home? >> no, nobody's home. >> you can call your lawyer, but step outside with me real quick. >> okay. >> put you behind the car so no one will see you. >> go ahead. step on out here. >> can i put pants on first? >> sir, we've got to clear the house. >> we're going to clear the house. as soon as we get the house cleared, we'll get you to talk to your lawyer and get pants on.
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>> that had to be a humiliating moment for a man who thought he was going to be acting attorney general. >> yes, but as somebody who is from the justice department, has worked in the justice department, he, more than anyone, should understand that the process of executing a warrant, the person -- the people who are inside must be brought outside for not only their own safety but also the safety of the officers who are conducting that. so, he should have known that that is exactly what the procedure needs to be in that moment. it's not about humiliating him. i know he's complained about that. but the fact that he's complaining about it gives me pause as to his understanding about the way these procedures should be carried out and just gives more evidence to the fact that he was probably not the most qualified person, certainly not the most qualified person, to lead the justice department in the way that donald trump wanted him to. >> i guess they don't do raids often on environmental cases. he was being criticized by some of thiz colleagues for being an
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environmental lawyer who had no criminal justice experience at all and was being inserted in at the top of the justice department by president trump. sahil, when we talk about today's session, do we have any sense of how long this is going to go today? >> impossible to know, andrea. these things can go on for a very long time. sometimes they can go on for a long period of time and yield very little actual testimony. we don't know the extent to which he's going to assert executive privilege. we don't know the extent to which he's going to talk about his experiences at the white house. so, i'll refrain from weighing in on that. but we have eyes on that hearing. we'll know -- when he leaves, we'll know how long they are in, and of course we'll be working our sources on the committee to get as much information as possible on what happened today ahead of those hearings next week. >> and we could be coming close to the windup of the public sessions. we don't know that for sure because they could always be adding something. but they laid out seven things
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that they plan to establish in their opening statements, and we're close to, you know, getting to that point in their conclusions. he could, of course, open up new areas of inquiry in what he says today, what they hear from other witnesses. but overall, how would you assess the impact of these hearings and of what they've accomplished? >> well, andrea, i think these hearings have been remarkably impactful. we've known a lot about the broad strokes of what happened on january 6th and even some of what led up to it. but i think every observer that's watched even a portion of these hearings has come away with a deeper understanding, with a richer understanding, with some surprise as to what they heard or what was being planned. and i think the effectiveness really has been these aren't as much congressional hearings like you're used to up on capitol hill where everybody gets five minutes and it's hard to walk through a narrative. but these are really
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presentations, opening arguments in a case, if you will. they document exactly from a to z what the committee wants you to know that da. and what's been truly effective is the voices of these witnesses are people that were inside the trump organization, inside the white house. so, it's not crazy accusations that can't be backed up. it's video taped testimony, witnesses speaking into a camera and telling us things we didn't know. >> sahil kapur, robert gibbs, thanks to all of you. and summer surprise. strong jobs numbers showing employers are hiring, but what does that mean for surging inflation? and what about if fears of recession? all those questions coming up. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. up. you're watching
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report showing 372,000 jobs were added, beating expectations and defying recession fears, marking a slight deceleration from may. and the unemployment rate is unchanged at 3.6%, in line with estimates. but it's also raising concerns about how to get red hot inflation under control. joining us now, jared bernstein, a member of the white house counsel of economic advisers. it's great to see you. overall a good report. employment recovering on all the jobs lost during the pandemic. that's good news. what areas of concern do you have? >> first of all, before we jump to areas of concern, which we will and we must, let us underscore a bit your opening points. i mean, we have one of the most remarkable labor market recoveries, and as all this gray hair on my head shows, i've been doing this for a long time. the bounceback in jobs after the pandemic-induced recession has been the fastest on record.
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as you mentioned, private sector employment now not just back to where it was pre-pandemic but above. we have many industries, manufacturing by the way is a real success story that had been surpassing their pre-pandemic job counts. and i think that's really important that we have this welcoming job market, this very strong backdrop, because we know this is why it's at the core of biden onlyics. middle class families depend on the economy, and that's particularly important with elevated inflation, getting right to your issue of concerns. >> what about the wage gains, up 5.1% from a year ago. >> yeah. so, i think one of the important points there is that we know that economy watchers, including the fed, are watching the pace of wage gains. what the president's goal is -- and interestingly it's the same goal that jay powell articulates, the chair of the fed s to maintain this strong
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labor market backdrop that you and i were just discussing, strongest labor market recovery on record while doing everything we can to bring down those prices. the federal reserve is the first line of defense against high inflation. we're doing everything we can. we're very glad to see some of the declines at the pump, essential for working americans. way more to go there. our work isn't done by a long shot, but those are welcome. i think on the page front, the point that probably hasn't been emphasized today is that the pace of wage gains, if you look at quarterly rates, actually slowed a bit in the second quarter from 5.2% in the first quarter to 4.3% in the second quarter. that deceleration is very much in the spirit of what the president is talking about when he talks about transitioning from a breakneck pace, economic growth, to one that's a more steady, stable transition. >> now, there's still such a big demand for workers. you've got nearly two jobs
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available for every person looking for work. what is your lead on that? why is it so hard to fill these jobs? >> labor demand is remarkably strong. if you look at the payroll numbers that we've been talking about, 372,000 last month. that's a pace of 375,000 for the past three months on average. here at cea, we like to average out the bips and bops in the monthly data. if you add on top of that over 11 million vacancies, what you quickly understand is that labor demand is really quite high. and look, the basic economics of this are important and interesting. labor demand is derived demand. it's demand that comes from people wanting more services, wanting more goods, wanting restaurants, wanting exercise bikes, wanting vacations. and one of the reasons that we have a consumer sector that's been as strong as it is dates right back to the rescue plan, the american rescue plan. by getting shots in arms and checks in pockets back when this
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president first got here, we set the stage for a robust recovery. and that meant that consumer strength was going to need labor market workers to fill in behind that. and that's what we've seen. now, the same time, we have elevated prices. and, again, at this point is in no small part being driven by the war in ukraine. we have to do everything we can to help bring down those prices. but we shouldn't forget amidst those inflation concerns, against this strong consumer backdrop, good household balance sheets, and of course the strong and steady job gains. >> are and i do want to ask you about oil prices because oil prices are down somewhat in the past week. that's showing up at the pump already. so, that's a good thing about inflation. does that give you any kind of nervousness about recession? >> i think if you want to talk about recession nervousness, you should look at today's jobs report.
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numbers like this are just very much consistent with any kind of a recession call. if you talk to the folks who actually measure recessions, that's the -- they're called the nber business cycle dating committee, which sounds like a lonely hearts club for economists. but it's actually a group of economists who are trying to figure out when recessions start and end. they will tell you that payroll employment is an important factor in that judgment. so, when you're generating 350,000 jobs on average for the past quarter, not recessionary. now look, at the pump, we're very glad to see these prices come down. and the president has done a lot of work to try to help. of course there's the release of oil barrels from the strategic reserve, historically large release, 240 million barrels. there's his e-15 ethanol waiver to increase the supply of gas. those are in the mix along with
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some demand factors that are putting some downward pressure on oil and gas prices. but those kinds of savings for consumers are important. however, those prices are still very highly -- we say too highly elevated. >> jared bernstein, totally comprehensive report. and we're not ignoring the good news at all because overall this is a great report for you guys. thank you from the country. >> thank you. down but not out. the latest from london on boris johnson stepping down. what johnson as caretaker pm means if he gets to stay for america's closest ally. that's next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. "andrea mitchell such as heart disease, diabetes, being overweight, asthma, or smoking. even if symptoms feel mild, reports.
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and has not yet notified the queen, a required step when a british prime minister leaves. when asked specifically about boris johnson, biden said, it's part of the process. joining me now from london is nbc senior international correspondent keir simmons. you've been covering a lot of the process. it's pretty dramatic. this is not ordinary. >> reporter: yep. yeah, more than a process. yeah, definitely. it's been high drama here in washington, here in downing street over the past few days for sure. i think, andrea, in terms of the impact it has on that u.s./british relationship, if you like, signified by president biden's comments and statements, you know, i think actually if you want to think about it in terms of britain's most important allies, the united states, i think that perhaps boris johnson going could have positive impacts. i certainly think that he on the
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democratic side in the u.s. has been viewed as a version of donald trump. that may not be fair. there are many ways in which he's not that. but that's the reality. i also think that his bumbling style wasn't really to washington's taste. and of course he was there seen as something of a clown. in fact, the front page of "the economist" today describing his demise as "clown fall." that being said, there were many republicans i've spoken to who really did praise britons leaning on the ukraine crisis and supplying arms early on to ukraine. i think one of the issues is we don't know who the replacement will be. i suspect we'll get to that, andrea. just in terms of president biden's statement, i have to say i think there is some disappointment here he didn't mention boris johnson's name.
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one former aide described it as a little churlish, not something you would expect from a former ally. most folks are focused on the race to see who will be the new prime minister and things like statements from the president of the united states, albeit the president of the united states, aren't really having much impact. >> i know that there are a lot of candidates, possible candidates. just about every candidate minister has got their hats in the ring. you're going to have a lot of fun over there, keir, covering all this. thank you. high volume, how the sheer number of criminal cases connected to the january 6th attack is making an impact in the doj investigation. we're awaiting remarks, by the way, from president biden. he's expected to sign an executive order to protect reproductive rights. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. rights. rights. you're watching
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18 months after the january 6th insurrection, we're getting new details from the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. about the investigation into the rioters. so far more than 855 defendants have been arrested in nearly all 50 states and the district of columbia. approximately 329 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges. and approximately 203 federal defendants have received sentences already. joining me now is nbc's ryan riley to dig into these data. so, ryan, that's a pretty fast track record, the usual record of prosecutions here in d.c. and some of the, you know, covid backlog that they already had in the court system, right? >> for sure. it's a lot more than typically the court handles in any given year. there are just so many cases to go. so, on the one hand, the online sleuths investigating this feel it's a little bit of a slow
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case, or there's a public perception this is a slow walk. but in reality this is a relatively quick case for a federal investigation, although there are a lot of the creaks showing in the investigation going forward. you can do to the fbi website and find 350 people around who assaulted law enforcement or members of the media who are wanted by the fbi and still haven't been arrested. dozens of those individuals have been identified by online sleuths. one who comes to mind is a small business owner who is going to be buried in a lot of evidence that sleuths have gathered against him. there are dozens and dozens of these cases waiting for federal authorities to take action. >> these are mostly people who have actually -- were entering, were trespassing, were in the building, part of the actual riot, correct? >> correct, yes. so, the ones that the fbi are focused on are the people who assaulted law enforcement officers outside. those are the ones they really want the public's health with.
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in terms of numbers of people who went inside, this is just a fraction of the cases we could eventually see over the next five-year period. >> they certainly have a lot of video to help them track down evidence. they had body cameras and all this rest. thank you so much ryan riley. thanks for being with us today. moments from now, president biden is expected to sign an executive order aimed at safeguarding reproductive health care access, including abortion and contraception. we'll bring comments live as soon as he starts right here. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. you're watching "andre she's using zelle to pay him back for the hot dogs he's about to buy. and the announcer? he's finding some investing ideas with merrill. and third as you know in baseball means three. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop banking. what would you like the power to do?
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and at any moment, the president is expected to come in and sign an executive order aimed at protecting abortion access. this coming just two weeks after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and pressure from his party to do more. joining us now, chief white house correspondent peter alexander, nyu law school professor, and dr. kavita patel. thanks to all of you. peter, tell us about the white house and what they're hoping to achieve. what can the president really do by executive order given the sport's decision?
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>> it's certain the president is limited in the actions he can take by executive order. he can push congress to codify or guarantee the right to an abortion. but obviously the votes aren't there. today does mark key, but limited steps in terms of his actions, formalize instructions to his department of justice and health and human services department. a pushback on states to restrict travel from women in states where abortion is banned or soon to be banned to other states so they can still have that opportunity. he's also going to work with his administration to try to better expand access to reproductive care, to abortions, contraception, and the like, and going beyond that. on these topics, this announcement will direct the ftc to help protect sensitive medical information for patients who are looking to travel across state lines and for those in states right now where it is being restricted. and beyond that, the president,
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through this executive order, is really going to work to help support the efforts of volunteer and pro bono lawyers to help provide legal help to some of those individuals who are looking for it as well. the bottom line, as we've noted, is there's only so much the president can do unilaterally. some of these steps will take time. they don't happen immediately. but it does begin this process in the face of the pressure the president has been hearing about to do more. among the things you will not hear is anything declaration of a public health emergency. and separately, the white house will not be moving to use federal lands to provide reproductive health care to women. the white housing suggesting that that wouldn't be a very effective effort at this time, focusing more on what we've just laid out, andrea. >> and dr. patel, abortion and access to care for patients, for those seeking these procedures, it's urgent. obviously time sensitive. so, how much will this kind of executive order even help these people? >> yeah, andrea. i don't think it's a shock that
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i'm disappointed that they're not calling it what it is. i actually think vice president kamala harris referred to it when the decision came down as a health crisis. that's exactly what it is. i do think, however -- i understand and sympathize -- the administration is in a corner in some ways because they authorit situation. but what we could use more of than anything is clarity. i will give you an example. many of us trying to help facilitate prescriptions with patients who are in other states. we have that ability. i have a license in other states. i can prescribe. a question came up about whether our malpractice carriers would honor that. not being able to use federal funds to deliver any sort of abortion services. we know that exists. does that mean a patient could come on a federal clinic and pay out of pocket? these are great questions we deserve answers to. it's a health crisis. patients need answers now. i don't think we will get that.
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i hope that will be the outcome soon. >> it's a legal thicket, melissa murray. as a law professor and someone who understands this better than all of us, how do they write regulations? how do they find a way to get within the scope of the supreme court decision and all of these state laws? >> that really is the question. you see the president here negotiating within his limited realm of authority. he does not have a congress that can codify some of the protections that would really be impactful on the ground at this moment. so instead, what we are seeing in the face of that congressional gridlock is the president issuing these executive orders that direct the administrative agencies to collect information or to provide public education to individuals so they know what the scope of their options are. he is not pushing the envelope on these executive orders. i think that's because the supreme court would surely be unreceptive to an executive
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order that went further. it's likely that an executive order that went further to declare a public health emergency or use federal lands or federal property would be challenged and it would likely go to the supreme court. more importantly, a decision on the scope of the authority of executive agenies could have broader repercussions in other areas of federal areas, not just reproductive rights. i think it was important for the president to be seen to do something in what really is an emergency situation. >> susan, the politics of this are terrible. the president is being blamed by a lot of democrats for not doing more. not being more aggressive, even though he has so little running room and that the court decision is certainly not -- it's on his watch but not something he is responsible for. >> a lot of disappointment among democrats that he hasn't acted
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with more urgency and more creativity in this case. the dobbs decision, the draft leaked in may. the white house had forworning -- forewarning it was coming down the pike. he is coming out with limited steps. some would like him to be caught trying to do some things that would push the envelope in terms of presidential orders. the first words after the decision came down was you have to elect more democrats to congress to enact roe v. wade protections nationwide. that was not the kind of presidential leadership that democrats really wanted to hear from him. >> clearly, susan, the democrats are stuck, because the house has the ability to pass these things but the senate is not going to take up any of it, the filibuster rule. >> that's right. the reality is we're going into
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50 state battlegrounds now. congress is not going to enact in the foreseeable future nationwide access to abortion services. it's going to be fought state by state. it's going to, i think, be an important political factor for years and years to come in these states and in our national politics. this is the beginning of a very long battle over the right to abortion -- access to abortion for americans. >> to that point, dr. patel, in mississippi the last clinic, the last clinic providing services for abortions closed. the case, jackson -- in jackson, mississippi, which was the center of the dobbs ruling. that's now closed. in many southern states there are no options. people have to travel hundreds if not 1,000 miles to illinois to get the access or down to florida.
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>> yeah. it has ramifications for training. think about this. it's not just that the access for individuals today in this moment is cut off. there's also really no funnel or pipe to train clinicians of any kind, physicians, physician assistants, nurses. a care team who can no longer recognize not just complications of spontaneous abortions, miscarriages, but it's dangerous to have lack of health care and lack of high quality care. we are shifting parts of our country to a third world country in terms of not being able to train, not recognizing conditions and not even being able to treat when people present until they are on death's bed. that's literally what's happening in some states. you have to be at the point where you are septic, which means your blood pressure has just dropped dramatically and that essentially as close to dying as possible in order for a team to intervene.
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that is how the laws have been written. i don't think the majority of americans realize that. even if they did, it's unclear right now what we can do about it. i think that's why everybody is frustrated. >> indeed. we will leave it on that note. peter alexander, melissa murray, susan page and dr. patel, thank you. we are moments away from president biden, expected there in the roosevelt room to sign an executive order safeguarding reproductive health care access, including abortion and contraception. we will carry that live. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. i when you have technology that's easier to control... reports" only on yeah, we got that.
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good day. i'm andrea mitchell. former japanese prime minister shinzo abe, a longtime u.s. ally, assassinated by a gunman this morning. president biden saying he is stunned, outraged and deeply saddened. the latest on the killing in a moment. we are awaiting remarks from the president as he prepares to take executive action to defend abortion rights in limited ways. access to abortion medication and contraception. this hour, critical testimony by pat cipollone on capitol hill right now before the january 6
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