good afternoon. i'm chris jansing, live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. today, we are focused on the limits of presidential power and the difficulties facing president biden as he tries to find his footing on critical issues including two that are front and center this hour. the economy and abortion rights. just about 40 minutes ago, the president signed a new executive order meant to protect women's access to contraception and abortion. but on his own, there's little he can do to counter-act the supreme court's reversal of roe. that said, the president's biggest challenge and perhaps his administration's biggest source of frustration remains the economy. take today's june jobs report,

showing another 372,000 jobs added, a sign that that part of the economy remains strong. >> today's economic news confirms the fact that my economic plan is moving this country in a better direction. i'm not suggesting there's a lot more work to do, but i am suggesting we are making significant progress. >> in fact the biden presidency has seen extraordinary job growth, a half million jobs added every month. the president said all of the jobs lost in the pandemic have been recovered and then some but that's not what people are feeling. they're feeling the spiking gas prices and the sky high inflation numbers that for many americans have made things like summer vacations now simply unaffordable. which is why the latest a. p. poll found the number of people who think inflation and gas prices should be the government's top priority, has roughly tripled in the last six months. one very interesting note, those two issues ranked one and two

among independent voters. and those numbers aren't just for the president. democrats in general know the clock is ticking for members on the ballot in november. i want to bring in nbc's carol lee covering the white house, editor at large at c-net money, peter baker, chief white house correspondent, for "the new york times," and matthew dowd is founder of country over party, and an msnbc political contributor. you know, peter, is the real issue for democrats that the economy and abortion are not things that the president necessarily has significant control over, at least not now, so short of some major messaging break-through, which frankly has been a problem for this white house, november is going to be incredibly challenging? >> well, november will be incredibly challenging. history tells us that presidents in their first midterms tend to lose seats in the house especially. they're feeling better about the senate because of individual matchups but this is not the

economy that joe biden wanted to go into the midterm with. the numbers continue to be robust. that is obviously good news for the administration. good news for the country. but also it presents a challenge to the fed, which is trying to rein in some of the growth to some extent and therefore begin to decrease inflation. so that's kind of this awkward push and pull right now, where in order to beat inflation, you may need to tamp down an economy that otherwise is growing pretty strongly. the president is frustrated that he has limited amounts of options in terms of that, and in terms of abortions and the problem is even to substantively correct, within the tool kit, there is very little he can do, and that is not satisfying his members of his own party or members of the independents who have supported him in the past, so you see this frustration in the poll numbers, not because they dislike or disapprove of joe biden necessarily, but they just don't think he's doing enough of what he promised to do. >> the frustration in the poll numbers, but also frustration on the part of the white house who thinks they don't get enough credit for things like we saw today, which are these job

numbers, which are undeniably good, but of course, the worry not just isn't inflation but the possibility of a recession. very sort of noneconomic question, can you have a recession when job growth is this strong? >> that is the million dollar question, chris. i mean i think i think what this jobs report today informs the federal reserve is they have the capacity now, the room to really raise interest rates again, 75 basis points at their next meeting is the expectation, and until these jobs numbers really start to show significant decline, meaningfulfully, i think that's going to continue with the rate hike and that point, sort of the chart, at what point do we reach where interest rates get to the point where to does put pressure on commerce, it does put pressure on business owners who do start to see more layoffs, and so we are now technically prepped in a recession with employment

numbers that would align with that historically. >> and again, another noneconomist question, how does today's jobs report impact the way the fed tries to deal with inflation, or does it? >> it absolutely does. i mean i think the fed is looking very closely at this jobs report, as they do other economic indicators, and the jobs, the employment picture, while it continues to be the one rosy part of the economy, it's good news, bad news. it is good for employees and you know, that they can go find jobs, and it's also good news, i guess, for the fed to feel confident that it can continue to increase interest rates. i think what the fed is trying to essentially accomplish is this sort of soft landing where they feel they have that wiggle room to raise interest rates enough where it doesn't crash the economy, and they have already done this aggressively at the last meeting. so far, things seem to be, inflation is still high, so they're going to continue to address that by raising interest rates, and the fact that they're looking at this jobs report and saying hey, we still have a lot of hiring going on, and

unemployment is essentially flat, month over month, and the unemployment rate and we can go and do this surgery that we need to do, and hopefully come out without it really being a sort of a hurricane or wreck for the economy. they're hoping to do this, i think, and today's report gives them the confidence to proceed with their rate hikes. >> and carol, beyond the economic challenges right now, the president is finding out there's also limited power that he has when it comes to big issues like abortion and guns. so let's talk about what he can and is doing on those issues. and is the white house expectation that those things that he's doing, just today, can resonate with voters? >> that's the hope, chris. democrats including the white house would like the election to focus on particularly for democrats issues like gun violence, and abortion, and that's why we saw the president sign these executive actions today. under pressure from democrats who are saying that he's not doing enough, he's not being vocal enough about this issue that they're very passionate

about. so you heard from the president that he's taking these steps because it's what he feels that he can do. although conceding that it's pretty limited, and his main message though, chris, was vote. take a listen. >> the challenge from the court to the american women and men, this is a nation that challenges, that the challenge is go out and vote. for god sake there is an election in november. vote, vote, vote, vote. consider the challenge accepted, court. >> so you can see the president is setting this up as a political fight, chris, and so he's saying, and he went on to say that republicans are in the extreme that he hopes that women in particular will turn out in november, in record numbers, to support democrats, he said that, he set the expectation, saying that all that is needed for democrats to codify roe are two additional senators in the

senate, who support abortion rights, and a democratic majority in the house that supports abortion rights. so setting this expectation that just with those votes, that they would be able to codify roe, and the president hoping that this is something that will energize his own party to support more democrats in the fall. >> but matthew, this is exactly what we've talked about, you and i, some other folks on the democratic side, who have said they need to figure out better messaging. give people something specific. not just say vote, but say two more seats on the senate, right? anyway, let me play a little more of what the president had to say today. >> this decision affects everyone. unrelated to choice. beyond choice. we cannot allow an out of control supreme court working in conjunction with extremist elements in the republican party to take away freedoms and our

personal autonomy. >> an out of control supreme court, is that enough to convince people he is meeting the moment, matthew? >> iffy him, i would do what he did today and do it every day in the next 120 days. i think they have to let go of this idea of improving their poll numbers or getting people to believe that they've done the right thing on these plethora of other issues, and basically concentrate on democracy and freedom. which is guns, which is choice, which is the corruption that has happened to our own sort of institutions, and that's what he ought to spend his time on in the course of this. i will remind many people that in 2004, when i was chief strategist for george w. bush, the number one issue was the economy, we talked about national security, 95% of the time, and on the election, and i think democrats have to let go of the idea, they have to give people permission to dislike joe biden for whatever reason, and then basically say the threat to the republic is so strong that these republicans win, that if

you have to, even though you dislike joe biden, you have to vote for the democrats, and that's what the president's message ought to be. he ought to say, it's fine not to like me, but you can't turn the levers power over to the republican party. >> i think it's fine not to like me part, peter, that is kind of what we heard from the president today, he's trying to take the focus away from a referendum on his administration and instead warn about the risks of a supreme court appointed by republicans, of republicans being in charge, but here's a problem. even though the generic ballot, and there was recent polling thon from 538, it shows republicans are generally more popular than democrats but everything that has happened lightning speed the last couple of weeks is, there still time for a pledge to change that perception? >> well, you know, we're obviously a little late in the season. people's opinions are fairly hardened by now. but i think matt is right on, what the white house will tell you they want to do, that they understand they're not going to improve biden's numbers, they understand they are not going to

make him popular between now and november and the real trick to them, the real challenge to them is to explain to the public that the other side is more extreme and unacceptable and wrap these things together, guns, voting rights, abortion, the supreme court, marjorie taylor greene, donald trump, you know, there is nothing that this white house would like to see more than donald trump to go ahead and prematurely, or pre-emptively announce he is going to run for re-election now before the midterms, could be a violation of the normal traditions, because it would set the stage for them to make that rematch in effect two years ago which is a rematch they think they can do well on and in some senate races at least minimize the losses in the house. it is a message that hasn't gotten out yet. we'll see if they are able to translate that in the weeks and months ahead. >> it sends a pledge that can go up and down the ballot. because a lot of people, for the entire time that they have voted, maybe decks, haven't necessarily thought a lot about who they're going to elect for

their state legislature, who they are going to elect for secretary of state, probably couldn't name their secretary of state. we're seeing a change in that, there has been a lot of reporting on that, does that message have to be consistent, top to bottom? >> it absolutely has to be consistent top to bottom. one of the most important criteria of campaigns winning is first you have to have the right message, and second, you have to be disciplined about it, up and down the ballot to do this. i would counsel everybody on generic ballot. a couple of things to realize on generic ballot. first, republicans are not positioned like they were in 2010 and 2014, at this moment in time, right now, it's barely, it's basically barely even right now, so republicans are positioned like they were the last time. and second, generic ballot is a lagging indicator of where the country is going and what issues affect it. the alito leading indicators are the senate races and right now the senate races are telling us the republicans and the republicans candidates they have are in trouble. i think the election will be

exceedingly close. i think the house will be close. i think the senate is going to be close. so there is plenty of time, 120 days and frame this in a way that democrats can win but it is up to them. >> matthew dowd, peter, carol, farnoosh, an interesting conversation, thank you all. a man the january 6th committee wants in the chair and he is there now in a meeting. the longest serving japanese prime minister in history assassinated. how the suspect reportedly got a gun in a nation with just 10 shootings in the entire last year. plus, a new covid variant taking over u.s. cases. it's more contagious. our current vaccine is less effective against it. the new tool we'll have to fight the virus come fall. e new toolt-

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stunned, outraged, and deeply saddened. those words from president biden in response to the assassination of japan's longest-serving prime minister, shinzo abe. the former pm was shot and killed at a campaign event near kyoto. the chaotic minutes caught on video. [ shots fired ]. >> the 67-year-old remained after his retirement very popular and was a powerful political force. he actually was stumping for a member of parliament when he was killed. it's left his country in shock and mourning, to say gun violence is extremely rare in japan would be a major understatement. joining me now cnbc's former tokyo bureau chief, and also with me, "washington post" associate editor and host of

msnbc's sunday show. what other details are we learning about exactly what happened, and the person who has been apprehended? >> well, we know now that the suspect is a 41-year-old male who is in police custody and we know that the firearm used on former prime minister shinzo abe was homemade, made of metal and wood. and during a subsequent search in his home, in the nearby town of nara in western japan, they found other explosives as well. we don't know what the motive was. we have heard from the police that he had held a grudge against a political organization which he believed had some kind of affiliation with shinzo abe. as you pointed out, the nation is in disbelief that their former prime minister could be shot in broad daylight, at what was a routine speech rally, ahead of elections on sunday,

air lifted and despite hours of trying to revive him, through blood transfusions according to his doctors, he passed away at about 5:00 p.m. local time. and since this kind of violence, let alone gun violence is extremely rare in japan, i fear japan will be waking up tomorrow, will really no longer be the same. >> what sort of reaction have you been hearing there and what about world leaders? i know that the sympathy has been pouring in from literally around the world. >> that's right. because he was japan's longest-serving prime minister, and his reach and influence has gone well beyond asia's borders and we have heard from presidents and prime ministers around the world. let me point out the comments from the current prime minister who called abe his mentor. according to him, he said it is a barbaric act, an unspeakable act and i think he echoed the sentiment ringing across japan today. he may have retired as prime

minister, about two years ago, but he was an influential and towering figure to this day. he's from a political dynasty. he grew up on the knee of his grandfather, who was a prime minister. his father was a foreign minister as well. and so his influence across the region has been extremely widespread. i mean when you talk about his legacy, mr. abe himself would have liked his legacy to be a person who changed the japanese constitution, which is pass fist, and give the military in japan a bigger role. but that was not to be. but during his nearly eight years as prime minister, i think he will also be remembered for trying to revive japan's economy, with a so-called abe-nomic strategy, with mixed results. and also, to try to incorporate india, australia, and other asian countries in the fold, in the face of what he calls a rising china. so he was a divisive figure for some.

he was known as being on the right end of the spectrum of a party that swings very boldly from left to right. but still, very much a sense of sadness and shock and awe really that this could happen in a place like japan. >> kaori, thank you very much. we appreciate you staying up for us. jonathan, the rarity, the absolute rarity of absence of violence from guns in japan is such a sharp contrast to what we see in the u.s. and i noticed coincidentally an analysis by your paper, a staggering 43 million guns were purchased in the u.s. just in the two years alone, while the rate of gun deaths in those years hit the highest level since 1995. more than 45,000 fatalities each year. which begs the question, how do you fix a problem that is clearly so deeply ingrained in our culture? >> right. it's deeply ingrained in our

culture, but also, i don't think there's an accident, chris, between the increase in gun sales, and the increase in gun fatalities. it is the access to guns that make them so dangerous in our country. and the fact that we have more guns, or we have a gun for every american, that's more than 300 million guns that are out there. >> 400 million now. >> almost 400 million, right. and so you've got that many guns, in a country with sort of swiss cheese-like, from a federal system, the 50 states, all having different rules and regulations, no federal assault weapons ban anymore, and what you end up having happen is a proliferation of guns, a rise in gun fatalities and let's also keep something else in mind, chris, the popular imagination is fixated on understandably so,

mass shootings, buffalo, uvalde, highland park, but the number one fatality with guns is suicide. and so we also see increases in the rate of suicide when there's, when there is generally speaking open access to guns. >> according to -- you talk about the mish mash, i guess you could call it, of regulations, for guns, federal, state by state, there was a new fbi report that came out last month that the fbi could not complete more than a million background checks in 2020 and 2021, in the three days they're supposed to take, which may have potentially, a million people have the opportunity to buy a gun, before their background check could be completed. and in fact, in 11,564 cases, the atf had to actually go and take guns back that shouldn't have been sold in the first place. the new gun law that congress just passed should help, but as

you say, 400 million guns in america, the complexity is mind boggling, jonathan. >> right and to your point, about the background check and the three days, what is also minds boggling is if the back grounds check isn't completed in three days, the gun seller can sell you the gun and that's how dylann roof was able to buy his gun, even though on his background check he said that he had, he had some involvement with the police. >> the shooting in charleston, south carolina, where people were having a prayer service. >> right. in 2015 at mother emanuel. he was able to buy the gun, because the gun background check had not been completed in the three days. and that's what is now being called the charleston loophole. but you know, the other thing though is dylann roof was actually honest in filling out his background check form. and we have a situation with

highland park where the father helped his son buy the guns, even though we now know of the many interactions between that family and police, with the shooter, and attempted suicide, which also involved the police. had that background check paperwork been filled out accurately, honestly, would the guns have been sold? would the shooter have gotten the weapons that he then used to unleash terror on highland park? it's, we don't know, because we're living with it, we are living with the reality of all of those people killed, all of those people wounded, in a mass shooting, that sadly is just one of many that happened in this country, that happens in this country on a daily basis. >> jonathan capehart, thank you.

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this is no time to wait. we can almost guarantee there are some critically important questions being asked right now behind closed doors, the witness pat cipollone, the former white house counsel to president trump, testifying and being videotaped before the house january 6 committee. there you can see our cameras catching him arriving this morning. cipollone previously met with the committee back in april but that was an informal interview with house investigators. the urgency behind his appearance today intensified of course after former white house aide cassidy hutchinson testified publicly last week, specifically about a conversation she had with cipollone on the morning of january 6th. >> i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out into west exec that morning and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we

don't go up to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch with me, we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> joining me now, charles coleman, a former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. great to see you. if you're in that room, what's your question for pat cipollone that he probably could answer and not cite executive or attorney-client privilege? >> well, chris, i think that when you're talking about the importance of this witness, one of the things that you want to do is just try to get them to but buttress, and cooperate, and not run afoul of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege but what i do expect that is going to happen is mr. cipollone is likely going to more often than none invoke his fifth amendment right from self-incrimination, and i don't expect him to elaborate rate on

cassidy hutchinson's statement and i do expect he will be asked about it to try to get more information what he meant by that statement but i do does have the right against self-incrimination, so in terms of his response, you will likely see him plead the fifth, if we see this videotape at all. >> that particular statement, in particular, is that criminally incriminating? in other words if you're trying to say something or do something to stop something that you think is criminal, is that incriminating? that's a very bizarre question but i think you follow me. >> i do. the statement itself may not necessarily be incriminating but i think that delving into the details of what the statement means and what he meant by the statement and why he would have said something, or why we have said that statement in particular, all of those things begin to speak to the criminal elements that are necessary to prove certain crimes, particularly intent. and i think that mr. cipollone is smart enough where he knows he wants to stay away from that. so those are difficult questions to answer when you're talking

about, well, what did you mean, mr. cipollone, when you said, that we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable, there is only so much that you can say in response to that question before he begins to actually implicate himself on a criminal basis, so he does have some leeway where he can actually answer what is being asked of him and it is not much and i think he is aware of that line and he will use his fifth amendment against self-incrimination to protect against that boundary. >> let me give you a real world example. let's say cipollone is asked specifically about cassidy hutchinson's testimony that he was pushing for trump to make a statement to help end the violence, but he was telling that to mark meadows, not the president, let me play that. >> pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly, something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your f'ing hands, this is getting out

of control. i'm going down there. >> any reason he could claim either privilege or he doesn't want to answer the question because he might incriminate himself? >> that one is likely something that is going to come in, and i think what you've chosen in that particular clip, their conversation, that hutchinson's comment with mark meadows, recounted with mark meadows, it is not only valuable but also important, that if cipollone does recall that and recalls it accurately, that he actually testified to it, and the reason i say that is, hutchinson's testimony, or her telling of that conversation, i.e., i observed a conversation between two people where cipollone said to meadows, x, y, z, that's never going to hold up, because you're talking about double hearsay. if so, that's not going to come in, if this were to ever be prosecuted. and so that's why cipollone testifying to that same conversation, as the speaker, in that moment, is going to be so much more important, and so much more valuable. not only in corroborating what hutchinson has said, and giving

her greater correct as a witness overall but -- greater credibility as a witness overall but long term to get that sort of testimony in. and we be able to answer that question. he would be able to speak to that. without running afoul of privilege or his fifth amendment right of self-incrimination. >> i feel like i can take that one little section of the bar and pass. it i feel good about that. we got a little bit of breaking news that is interesting and let me ask you your reaction to it. this is stuart rhodes, the founder of a far right wing militia group the oathkeeper. his attorney is telling nbc he wants to testify before the committee but only if he can testify in person, not virtually, not from his jail cell, and he wants it broadcast live. what would you make of those terms? would you take those terms? >> well, i would need a proffer of evidence before i made a decision on that. i think that one of the things that you cannot do is get into a game of that type of thing with

witnesses, particularly witnesses of this nature who may see an opportunity to sort of make a name of themselves, in order to take a deal like that, i would need more information what he intends to testify to, what he intends to say on the stand that would be valuable and whether it is worth that type of risk. even though he may make a proffer of evidence, unless it is severely explosive or really buttress what we're already trying to do in terms of implicating criminal activity at the highest levels here, due necessarily know what you want to put a witness on the stand that you haven't interviewed before. so i want a proffer of evidence before that. >> charles, thank you so much. have a great weekend. appreciate your time. more contagious and evading vaccines. that's how experts are describing two covid sub variants, one of them now the most dominant in the u.s. up next, how soon could we see updated vaccines for them? you're watching chris jansing reports, only on msnbc. g chri .

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right now, a-public health experts are warning the dominant strain of coronavirus is more contagious than the current vaccines appear to be less effective against it. it's called sub-variant ba.5 and now makes up more than 50% of new cases. those new cases are up in at least 20 states. the sub-variant considered by some experts to be the worst version of omicron yet. let me bring in dr. ebony hilton, associate professor of anesthesiology and critical wear medicine at the university of virginia and an msnbc medical contributor. i think there are a lot of folks, it's hard, doctor, with to keep track of how many sub-variants we've had at this point and it seems like each one becomes more contagious. is that what we should expect to keep happening? >> it should be at this point, because it is proven to be true in the past and we can learn from our history. wa we do know in nature, there is a game of survival of the

fittest and viruses believe that just as we do as humans, and they have to invade our immune system to create that new generation in their linage so as we anticipate, that virus passes from one person to a next person to a next person, just like in a telephone game, it will change and you won't be able to kill it. and that's how we will get past the pandemic, we won't get past the pandemic if we don't stop the president of the virus in the first place -- the spread of the virus in the first place, because the virus will always seem to be one step ahead of us. >> so pfizer and biontech, to that point, just announced they are starting trials on a universal covid vaccine later this year that would offer broad protection as the virus continues to mutate. in general, how long might something like that take? testing? could it potentially replace the vaccines many of us have already gotten? >> i think we can anticipate

that it will, we will have another vaccine that will replace what we currently have. but i don't think it's necessarily the technology that we have to have an uphill battle against. i think it is actually crowd participation. i mean at this point, only 57% of americans have the first vaccines that we were rolling out, and in fact, only 34% had received their first booster. people are not running to get vaccinated, and that is a problem. and it is not only a problem within the united states of america, we have seen it globally, and at this point, only 20% of those persons who live in the poorest of countries have received one dose of the vaccine. it is not available to them. and again, that telephone game, it is not just applying within the united states of america. we have seen how this pandemic has shown us just how small of a community we truly are. when we think about the global community. we are related to each other. so how to stop the spread? we have to get the vacs that we have available currently out into the arms of persons not only in the united states but across the globe.

>> especially since we keep hearing about how they're throwing away literally hundreds of thousands of doses in the developed world where as you say, third world countries are in desperate need of them. dr. ebony hilton, thank you. well, firefighters in california are working to contain a where that broke out in an iconic park of yosemite national park. the fire burning near the lower part of the mariposa grove which is lome to about 500 of those giant sequoia trees. those are some of the largest living things on earth. if you've never been there, it is astonishing but right now, that fire is about five to seven acres big, and crews are working to put it out. until they do, that park is closed to the public. up next, it took his own party to finally force boris johnson out as prime minister. are will lessons for republicans standing by donald trump? you're watching chris jansing reports, only on msnbc. by donap

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couldn't hold on to power. american voters also fed up said no thanks to a second term for donald trump, but what's different here, from the brits, is that johnson's own party abandoned him, a stunning contrast to how trump, even amid growing evidence of his role back with me to discuss it, jonathan capehart and host of the sunday show. jonathan i want to read to you a comparison in the "new york times." quote, in contrast to former president donald j. trump, another politician with an improvisational and often distant relationship to the truth, mr. johnson's approach has rarely been to double down on his lies or delude himself for consistency sake into asking

as if they were true, rather he recasts them to fit new information that comes to life, as if the truth were a fungible concept, no more solid, just quick sand. the quick sand took him under. is there a tipping point as we look at the january 6th hearings coming up, is there a tipping point for donald trump that you see? >> look, we've seen so many tipping points. they're countless. the difference, though, is there aren't any republican leaders who are willing to say this is the tipping point and then saying to other folks come with me and say that we have got to be done with donald trump. we're not getting it from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy or any of those elected leaders and the ones that do speak out, kinzinger,

they're run out of the party, out of the leadership. republican leaders don't see to care. >> why is it so differently, cornell? it took away the cabinet resignations in johnson's party to say we've had enough to get him to resign. we did see some of trump's cabinet step down after january 6th but they also didn't have much time left in office. why such a big difference? >> i think you have to look at two things. one, it is structurally, who actually becomes a party

standard bearer. so structurally i think it is very different in the u.k. than it is in the u.s. where, you know, we have these close primaries that we've talked about before where you get -- where some of the most polarized, you know, parts of the electorate in fact get to choose who is the standard bearer. you have a 54% majority of voters who voted for the conservative party in 2019 also thinks he should resign. part of it is also that the public there, even the conservative voters there in the u.k. are different from the conservative voters here in the country. you'd never get a majority of donald trump voters saying he should be impeached or should resign.

structurally they're different. and the writing was on the wall that the torries' best interests were not with him. >> let's say herschel walker, who is involved in a series of scandals that might have taken down a politician in the past, can he still win? it's quoted saying never has there been a candidate who was more emblematic of how politics has become a team short as herschel. >> and that's part of the problem. no matter how they disqualify themselves as a candidate you would think for the mainstream, you will still get a majority -- a vast majority of the republicans are going to back herschel walker and no matter how many affairs or children that he has, that race in georgia is going to be razor thin because republicans just aren't going to abandon him.

that's what we see not only with walker but lots of other republican candidates. >> in our last 30 seconds, jonathan, is the only real chance trump loses his grip if lots of republicans start losing? >> yes. >> because that's your column, right? "dang it! it's your one superpower vote." >> democrats have to get out of their own way, even if you have to hold your nose, close your eyes. as long as you're doing both in a voting booth and clicking for a democrat, they'll win and it will send a signal to the republican party they've got to walk away from trump. the republican party even without trump, trumpism is still alive. that's the biggest story. >> what a great conversation. thank you, guys. be sure to check out jonathan on the sunday show every sunday, 10

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from prom dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the japanese people will wake up in just a few hours to a world changed. a former leader shot and killed

in a country where gun violence is virtually nonexistent. shinzo abe, japan's former and longest serving prime minister was assassinated during a lunchtime campaign rally in the city of nara near osaka. the murder was captured on multiple cameras. a loud bang and abe turns. another loud bang and abe falls to the ground. here you can see him being put into the medivac helicopter. officials say his heart stopped beating on the ride to the hospital. doctors say he had two gunshot wounds and no vital signs when he arrived less than an hour after the attack. cameras captured the suspect and what appeared to be his homemade gun. a 41-year-old man was arrested at the scene. officials say the man confessed and told authorities he had a grudge against a groupe