full circle to trans rights are human rights, and human rights or trans rights and linkedin there is a reproductive freedoms. because they all come back to the same. i think in america, and i think the polling numbers show this, we believe that we should be able to make choices. about our bodies, and about our families. and this line as decisions from jobs, and some of the other cases that have come out of the port that are eroding, the things that we as americans have taken for granted that no prayer in schools, that we would be able to access abortion related care, they are being undermined at alarming rates. and this is starting both nationally, and it is also happening locally. we are seeing it at school boards where there are people who mean that even live in the communities who are saying, we should be teaching kids about their own bodies, or how to exercise autonomy. and frankly, as a parent, that is scary to me. because if we are limiting peoples reproductive choice, and we are limiting their

access to contraception, and we're not teaching them the basics about their bodies, we are in a collision course. for disaster. >> celeste, thank you for your wisdom and your experience, and we appreciate it. celeste furey is the founder and chair of the transforming alliance, and an lgbtq act educator, activists, and as you heard advocate. go anywhere, there is plenty more you need to know the saturday morning. straight ahead, the latest on bubba jenner six select committee learned from one of the most important witnesses to testify to date. someone not only in the room when it happened, but part of the conversation. another hour of velshi begins right now. o the conversation anothe good morning. i am velshi. this is continuing to weeks after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. now the nation's capital this morning, people are preparing to take part in a rally. it is a day of action being coordinated by the women's

march. organizers say that the participants will march to the white house and cut off the sitting. >> president biden is trying to protect abortion. biden signed an executive order yesterday aimed at safeguarding patients and abortion providers from risks and penalties. the executive order formally directs the department of health and human services to ensure that americans have access to federally approved medication abortion in the right to freely travel across state lines. >> the right that some antiabortion states have threatened to outlaw. they also have provisions to protect patients privacy, it includes a directive for the administration to recruit volunteer lawyers to offer assistance to help navigate post-roe v. wade american. just to underscore how confusing this situation is around the country, consider this map once again. it looks like one i've shown you before. it is actually a little bit different now. there are 26 states that have already or are poised to ban

abortions. take a look at the 11 states that are in dark red here. these ones over here. these 11 states, abortion rights are over. you cannot get an abortion at all anymore in these states. that is two states more than when i last showed you this map last weekend. wednesday, mississippi's last abortion clinic performance last abortion. jackson women health organization was a subject of a supreme court case that was used by the trump staff court to overturn roe v. wade last month. it has now closed its doors and will move its operations to new mexico. as the band took effect, doctor cheryl hamlin, a provider with a clinic, she had this to say about what is at stake for people in mississippi. >> i would say that a lot of these women are not going to be able to leave the state. having another child is going to put them further into property property. >> that is now true for the

south and southeast. they're moving from mississippi to new mexico. less than 24 hours ago, louisiana became the latest state to stop operating abortion care entirely. the judge allowed the trigger ban to go into effect. louisiana is now at the center of an abortion desert. look at this. all of the state that it borders do not have abortion availability. it is total abortion bans in texas, arkansas, mississippi. that means that people in louisiana have to cross multiple state lines to find legal abortion care. options for people in louisiana are now extremely limited. for now, the closest clinic is in georgia. it is regular red. that is more than 400 miles of someone has to travel in order to access basic essential health care. officials in georgia are seeking to man abortion there as well. that may not be an option for very long. that leaves florida as the next destination, as long as you are

not passed the 15th week of pregnancy. this week, a judge announced that florida could activate its 15-week ban. five other states have restrictive bans in place. these are the ones marked by stripes. that includes florida. utah has an 18-week ban. tennessee in south carolina have banned abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy, before many people even find out they are pregnant. about 27 people of reproductive age, women of reproductive age, they live in these 16 states where abortion is no longer an option, this is where it is severely restricted. this is far from the end of the story. this map will continue to change and evolve over the coming weeks and months. ten additional states are expected to take action to ban abortion in the near future. additionally, there are still many legal challenges that need to be resolved. in fact, a new one was just filed on thursday on behalf of north dakota's sole abortion clinic. as of today, abortion is still illegal in north dakota.

the attorney general has said that the states abortion ban will take a effect on july 28th. the plaintiffs are challenging that closure day. they are arguing that an abortion ban would be in violation of north dakota state constitution. joining me to discuss this morning is tammy. she is the director of the red river women's clinic. it is the last standing abortion clinic in north dakota. it filed out long suit along with other reproductive rights. tammy, thank you for being with us. you are in a tough situation in north dakota. as things stand, you have a closure on july 28th. you are physically moving. you are making plans to move right now. you are also fighting to stay. >> yes, it is sort of surreal. the checklist every day is readying the new space. we are also fighting back against the state. it is sort of impossible to

figure out the logistics of what that looks like. everybody keeps asking, you know, can i still have an abortion? when are you moving? when are you opening? we are trying to figure out, even in that last week, how do we communicate to our patients, you know, you might have an abortion appointment in north dakota one week, minnesota the next week. it is really impossible to figure out. >> it is a good situation. it is a slightly better situation in the pink house in mississippi. it is moving several states over two misses new mexico. it will continue to offer the services. there is nowhere close to the patients there are serving currently. if you are forced to move, you will move to a place across the red river. this is in fargo, minnesota. tell me why that is still impactful. you are moving ten minutes east. >> the thing is that north

dakota patients will know that abortion is no longer legal in their state. there will be confusion, shame. we have had patients asking us if they all be prosecuted for having an abortion. south dakota, abortion is already illegal. is it okay for me to travel here? we don't know what state legislators have on their plate for the 2023 legislative session. it is really sad to think about all of the battles that we fought to maintain abortion access in north dakota. we have made a commitment to keep our doors open. we want to see those patients a few minutes away. patients should not have to go through these processes. we should not have to work so hard to provide basic health care. >> working hard to provide basic health care is one thing. there has to be something more. you've been doing this for a

long time. you got a text message the other day. it read, quote, do you put the baby in a wood ship or like they do in the fargo movie? goodbye. how do you deal with this stuff? >> i know you have seen this kind of threat. you live in a world where you know the actual threat to life exists for abortion providers. this is something else. >> we are exposing the hate messages we have received in the past. i have a drawer in my office where i put notes and messages. we locked them. we provide information to the federation. i am done, i am done hiding the hate. i am posting it on twitter and facebook. we are letting people see what we have to put up with. it is deeply personal. i got a message last night from a patient that did not receive

abortion care and a clinic. we determined that they had an and topic pregnancy. she texted me at 11 pm last night saying, you know, thank you for all of your work, i really appreciate you, it has been a long day. i got the care that i needed. you know, i'm sorry protecting you so late. i really appreciate you. >> that is what gets us through. we are there for those patients in those scary moments. that is what it keeps us moving forward. >> it has been two weeks since roe v. wade was overturned. how are things changing? i imagine there is no night and day for you in the last two weeks. how have things changed in what you have been able to provide and how your work goes? >> thankfully, we are able to still provide abortion care at our clinic. we have seen, you know, a lot of people asking for this care. we have made the decision. if somebody needs something, if they want an iud or an implant,

we have determined that we need to refer them to the family planning clinic. we need to focus on providing abortions for patients who needed. people are scared. the staff is concerned. we have amazing escorts. we have seen an uptick in protesting outside of our clinic. we had some people say that the escorts fingers should be cut off. we had a man sitting across the street in a truck for hours on end. the only way i can describe him is by saying he looked like someone who participated in the january 6th insurrection. there is real fear there for our safety. we are just being as careful as we can. >> tammy, thank you again for joining us. tammy is the director of the redwood river women's clinic. it is fighting to stay in service and actively discussing move into minnesota. even before it announced its ground shifting decision on abortion rights, gun laws,

environmental protections, confidence at the supreme court was already at a record low. a poll taken last month found that only 25% of adults said they had a great deal or a lot of confidence in the high court. the american public has witnessed a cold over the past several years. last take a look at how. for starters, brock obama pointed a judge to it. he obstructed the nominee from receiving the confirmation hearing for months. this was back in 2016. two justices have been incredibly accused of sexual harassment. three were appointed by the twice impeached insurrectionist presidents. they were for the purpose of overturning abortion rights. five were appointed by presidents who did not win the popular vote. in addition to that, there is the evidence that the wife of one justice promoted the overturning of the 2020 election to top white house officials. let's not forget that these justices come with lifetime

appointments. legitimacy is suffering. what can be done about this? we want to bring in kenji. he is at nyu law school. he is an author of the book speak now. he is covering the hidden assault on our civil rights. professor, good to see you again. >> good to see you. >> you and i started talking about this. would you do about this? it is a tall order to fix the supreme court. there is understanding that people are rushing to buy it. it is fulfilling the intended role. what do you think that one does? >> i actually think there are more options than we think we have. i want to think about at least three. we can continue the conversation wherever it goes. the first is the one that you mentioned. it is predicated on the idea that garland denied a seat. that will be court expansion. congress can set the number of

justices on the supreme court. it ranges from 6 to 10. you can expand it to 13 if you want to. the second is jurisdiction stripping. this is not making a court bigger, it is making it smaller. there is a set of cases under the constitution the court has to be able to hear. or other cases, cases under rising -- they are really given the will of congress. congress stripped the supreme court. they can prevent it from hearing certain classes of cases. last but not least, congress could make the court more predictable. as you said, justice sir with good behavior. this is a matter where we could get creative. article three's life tenure could pertain to the judiciary. they have a right to serve on the federal judiciary. maybe not on the supreme court. it could be that we live in the supreme court justice terms. they rotate off of the court. they go to a lower court.

the three options, whether it is cord expansions, jurisdiction stripping, or making the court more regular, these are all available. they are going to be impacted by constitutional scholars. >> why is the jurisdiction stripping relevant? how about change potential outcomes in a way that would cause more americans to have greater faith in the court? >> it is really strong medicine. the idea would be that there are certain classes of cases where the supreme court would be denied jurisdiction to adjudicate cases under the constitution. the idea would be that these are better left to the political process. it does not actually help with cases in regard to abortion. the court has already said the right does not exist. look at the very aggressive and misinterpretation of the second amendment. it denied the court jurisdiction over second amendment cases. you could prevent further

erosion's. you could strip the court of the jurisdiction. that is probably the strongest medicine we could use. i guess part of the problem is that people are worried that the court is not accountable, but without the courts people are worried that legislatures are also not accountable. so in the end, what is the solution? we were supposed assistant in which the various branches of government kept each other in check, but i think there is a feeling amongst the respondents of that hole that no one is checking anyone. >> right. and i think that the real issue here is that none of this is going to occur, checks and balances cannot occur, unless congress is there to check people. and i think this is your point. but with that leads me to, ali, it's just again the importance that, i am like a broken record on this, which is not giving up on the electoral process and voting. oftentimes people focus simply on the presidential elections, saying the president is going to name new justices, but

actually for all three of the solutions we just mentioned, it is really congress that is a key player. so voting for their representatives, voting for senators, becomes incredibly gene. and in the same way that i think we have become accustomed to say, when you're voting for president you're voting for the court, i also want to thank when you are voting for a senator or representative, you are voting not for who will be on the court, but you are voting for the shape of the court, of what the court can do. and so, the one of the court is actually something that we can determine at the ballot box when we have over a congressman. now for our president. >> can, gia thanks very much. good to see you again. cans yoshino is a professor of cudgel law then why are you law school. he's the author of the book. we are just days away from the at the next installment of january 6th historic public hearings. but it is what they learned yesterday during vital closed-door testimony that may make all the difference. we are going to break down what we know about that testimony, plus, one status heating the

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johnson announced that he would step down as the head of england's conservative party on thursday after tumultuous three years in office. johnson made the decision after more than 50 of his own parliamentary members resigned last week. in the latest scandal involving the pm, johnson was signed for installing chris pincher athletic chief, deputy chief whip. hunter is currently being investigated for drunkenly groping two men at a private club. nbc's megan fitzgerald has more on this from london. megan, for johnson says he will remain prime minister until his party chooses in the leader. how is that decision and his resignation playing out in the uk? >> yeah, ali, i can tell you there's a lot of frustration within members of boards johnson's own party. and you just take a look at what happened last month, for example. when it was members again of his own party that wrote those

letters that then triggered that vote of confidence, which worse johnson narrowly survived. ever since then you've seen describes growing louder for him to step aside, to step down. and then as you mentioned, just this past week some 15 members of his own cabinet, of his own party, resigning which then of course forced his hand to step down. and of course we saw that speech on thursday. but, when you talk about the people of this country, how they are feeling about this, of course there are some who still support the prime minister. but there's a lot of people that are just fed up that we have spoken to that are just tired of the scandal after scandal. most notably, of course, is party gate. the united kingdom saw some of the typist covid-19 restrictions at the height of the pandemic. we are talking about people who weren't able to go see their loved ones as they were dying in the hospital, or bury their loved ones. meanwhile, it's just that the prime minister was fined for breaking those very rules that he put in place by participating in parties at ten

downing street. that was certainly seen as an affront to the people of this country who by and large follow the rules. and so, ali, what we are seeing here is a very defiant prime minister who is vowing to remain in office, as you said, until october as the caretaker prime minister. and that is something of course that his own party is saying, it is not a good idea, and they want to see him step down right away. ali. >> megan, thank you for reporting. megan fitzgerald for us in london. one of the most important pieces of the insurrection investigation puzzle appeared privately before the january six committee yesterday. what we know, is next on belching. january six committee yesterday. what we know, is next on

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was a, quote, cooperative witness. he was really hans or the panels questions. his testimony has not been released to the public yet. we know that he provides a crucial first time perspective of what happened in donald trump's white house as he tried to cling to his expiring power. the january six committee is looking to cooperate and explain last week's testimony from cassidy hutchinson's. she testified that cipollone stopped the ex president from physically joining the people who would go on to join the capital in his name. betsy, good morning. we have heard very little about this testimony. we did hear from one member of the committee. they said that he did not contradict the testimony among others. by others, i think that the member of congressman cassidy hutchinson. >> yes, that's right.

congressman mandel has been on this committee has a key part of the work that they are doing. he told the other network that he did not contradict other witness testimony. he said that not contradicting is not the same as cooperating. she hawaii is using lawyer language. this is the kind of moment where congressional pro trump republicans are putting themselves really hard for not having pro trump members on that committee. when this committee was stood up a year ago, speaker pelosi would have allowed three republican members who were aligned with trump to be members of the committee. mccarthy chose to pull those numbers off. the only republicans are the anti trump republicans. when cipollone went into this interview, everyone talking to him was on the same page.

it would not have been something where they were seeking to test out the credibility of other witnesses. they would not have been trying to look for ways to see if cipollone would come into conflict or contradiction with other witness testimonies. this is the extent to which democrats got lucky. they had total control over the direction that this committee moved. they did not have to grapple with any particularly serious ways as far as investigative steps. they did not have to use combative or adversarial participants. >> what are you hearing about others who are preparing to testify? there is so much coming out. there is now some speculation that there are people who are in the trump orbit who want to get their story out their own way rather than get one of those letters from the committee to say they have information about the fact that you did this, this, and this, the fact that you had this conversation so-and-so. will we see more republicans testify or present themselves

before the committee? >> that is a good question. it is one i have been asking people about. i don't have concrete information about beau particular trump white house officials or other republicans. they have come forward in the senate to be more cooperative as a result of this probe. cipollone's cooperation is a huge deal. even though the committee has signaled that they did not press him says on hutchinson's testimony, the fact that it came within days of her testifying, we look at the trickle down impacted her testimony appears to be having on the other frontline witnesses. it is not yet clear if there are other republicans that the committee would like to talk to. they may have changed their stance as a result. one person who they would love to speak with, a person who hutchinson testified, it is kevin mccarthy. hutchinson talked about having a phone call him when she was backstage at the rally. the committee had subpoenaed mccarthy. that is an unusual and

unprecedented step. mccarthy has made it clear that he does not plan to cooperate. there have been no signs of his thinking on that has changed. him, other members of congress, those are people that they would like to get. >> great reporting as always. we are sharing your analysis. that is a national correspondent for politico. there are still numerous legal issues. >> there are attempts to overthrow american democracy. that is ahead. democracy that is ahead. that is ahead. cibinqo - now fda approved 100% steroid free not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections and do blood tests.

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georgia district attorney makes big strides in her mastication to donald trump's effort to overturn the states election results in 2020. a number of people in trump's orbit have been subpoenaed for the probe, including republican senator lindsey graham. joining me now is my favorite atlanta, tiffany cross, host of the cross connection on msnbc.

you are from atlanta, are you not? >> i am, i grew up in atlanta. i want to middle school, high school, and college there. >> and you're gonna be talking to some guests in the next hour, we're talking about this very case. sometimes you get sort of short shrift because we're all tied by january 6th, but there is an actual criminal investigation going on with the da who is really pursuing it actively. >> absolutely. let me just say first ali, it's so great to see. oh it's been a few weeks since we showed the screen together, looking for to doing it in person, i hope. but yeah you're right, the interesting thing about georgia ali, as you know, is that you cannot be pardon from state crime. sold only be diving into the election probe in georgia with the senior correspondent for time magazine, janelle ross, janelle is a former royals are gonna have charles cohen junior on the show. so looking forward to that. and as you know earlier this week, ali, our own blaine alexander led an exclusive interview with the fulton county da, fani willis. bonnie wells is the first black woman to hold that position, by the way, and funny louisville blain that they will likely be

more subpoenas. she's not ruling out one for donald trump. it is really it'll be interesting to see if the local da can compel donald trump to send do something we can do at the federal level. so stay tuned for. that was gonna talk about other stuff on the cross connection. we have david we'll end with us, and you know ali, he is a twin brother who is of a -- who's been detained in russia since 2018 and he's been on the britney brighter case particular since his brother cases that british tried with hers. we're gonna switch gears and talk to rapper actor ice cube. ice cube is not on the show, but that we're gonna talk about the deal that he struck with the nfl. this is allegedly a going to close the racial wealth gap, but is obviously under scrutiny. because it's the nfl, what is they can change things. but i'm thrilled to have wide receiver brandon -- with us. i'm pretty much a sports analyst at this point, out of you been keeping up but get a lot of sports these days. so i hope you'll stick around at the top of the time for a

jam-packed show. >> i always, you and i love to show, and even biden understand all that i would syllabus it makes sense. but sometimes i have to google a topic that you are covering, because i am not so much on this worth. but thank you, and i do think that this question about paul whelan is really interesting because there have been some complaints that his case has not gone the attention it should have. but isn't a good thing now that because every time we talk about britney griner, we are also talking about the other people who are in russia, and could that trigger something to actually happen? tiffany, good to see you. thank you my friend,. >> think you, my friend. >> tiffany cross is the host of the cross connection, join tiffany in the top of the hour right after. velshi wanting the antiabortion can movement continues to make false assumption about's adoption. using an argument that completely leaves that which really matters. adoption adoption using ave technology that's easier to control...

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morally straightforward. it is made a bad faith. i want to tell you why, people pushing adoption is an easy solution to justify the banning of abortion. they're wholesale dismissing anyone who is pregnant as a does result of rape or has a medical condition that makes pregnancy dangerous or deadly for them. people who say that you should put the baby up for adoption. you think it is fine for anyone of every age to injure a forced pregnancy and childbirth, no matter the cost to the pregnant person's health and safety. the folks who make this argument about adoption or not just selling out every rape and incest survivor, everyone with a medical condition or a potentially deadly and i'm viable pregnancy, they're also pretending that they don't know that more than 117,000 children in america are currently waiting to be adopted. adoption is not an easy fix for an unwanted pregnancy. no one who has experienced it that would say that it is. a reporter for the washington post wrote a powerful essay about her own experience being

denied access to abortion as a teenager. she became the birth mother of a child adopted by another family. she boils down the complexity and trauma of giving up a child to adoption like this. she wrote, quote, women who relinquish children experience chronic, unresolved grief. it is a reason why so few women shoes adoption when faced with unwanted pregnancies. one study was published in 2017 in the journal of women's health. it says that 14% of women who were denied an abortion were even considering adoption a week later. birth mothers take on medical risk, social punishment, and years of silence and secret keeping. losing a child to relinquishment produces feelings similar to those from losing a child to death. these birth mothers are being left out of a conversation about the consequences about the post-roe world. this is the person who is forced to be and remain pregnant and give birth.

there are all of the risks and dangers that is composed. this is a writer and reporter who has been covering reproductive rights for more than a decade. she wrote a powerful piece about this erasure back in may when the supreme court's draft opinion was leaked. quote, there is no part of the human body that does not transform in pregnancy. one way or another, you are flashbulb torn asunder. whether what you are carrying feels like an invited guest or an invader. pregnancy can make your gums swell and lead, soars can mushroom in your mouth, your teeth can loosen in a road. you might have to take certain medications. you might be told erroneously by a doctor that you have to. your pregnancy might be complicated by a pre-existing condition, you might develop a new condition like diabetes. this is simply because your practice pregnant. you may die. this is clear in the united states. this is before the rate rose dramatically in 2020. you are much likelier to die

from giving birth than from having an abortion. indeed, the united states has the highest rate of maternal mortality of any developed country. it is the only country where the maternal mortality rate has actually been rising. take a look at this chart. a senate minority leader, republican mitch mcconnell, if he gets his way with a nationwide abortion man, that is one they could pass into law. the maternal mortality rate could increase by a whopping 24%. that is according to a study done by the university of colorado. the world that we live in is now quite literally dangerous for women, anyone who get pregnant. want to take a moment to receptor the focus around these women. let's let them tell us what it is like to be pregnant, be forced to be pregnant. they give up a baby for adoption. when i come back, i will be joined by tatum hunter. she wrote about her own experience of teen pregnancy and adoption. another woman covers reproductive rights and wrote

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challenges are easy stories about adoption, so we tampa down with cruelty or cute seen this. just last week, smiling couples to death at the supreme court holding signs that read, we will adopt your baby. i want to ask them, do you really believe contrary to data, the lack of willing adoptive parents is the problem? or was the real problem to nuance to fit on the sandwich board? joining me now, is tatum hunter. personal technology reporter for the washington post, and a wreak moan a senior correspondent at new york magazine. welcome to both of you. thank you for being back with us again. tatum, i'm glad to have you back because we touched on this a little last weekend, but i want to get into a little bit more specifically. in the passage that i just read, you say the conversation around adoption, does it reflect reality. so tell me a little bit more about your reality. being pregnant as a teenager, and going through the adoption process. >> so, when i was pregnant as a teenager, i had to continue going to high school. and one thing that we have kind

of forget about in this conversation is that, even though adoption provides a place where baby to go, that person has to be a person experiencing a crisis pregnancy for nine months. and we are not kind to people experiencing crisis pregnancies. and so, i placed my baby for adoption and then i had to go on and look my life. and i think that is the second thing that people forget is that that placement is not the end of the story. that woman loves the rest of her life experience in grief, and experiencing it in silence. because we also put a lot of pressure on birth mothers to keep everyone comfortable about adoption by not speaking to their grief, their pain, and their experience. >> right, it's not cocktail governed. it is not something, you've heard about it eloquently but it is not the kind of thing you just bring up a talk about. >> exactly. if i am in the workplace, for example, and someone has adopted a baby or even if someone is an adoptee themselves, that is something that our culture has made room

to discuss and even celebrate. but the experience of birth mothers, not the same. and it speaks volumes about where empathy starts and guns. >> and issue a lot of people think don't even think about, so i'm glad you brought it to our attention. read your powerful description of your own pregnancy runs counter to help pregnancy is typically idealized in popular culture. in fact, one study about pregnancy tends to talks about how we romanticize it, and that can contribute to how society treats bother birth mothers. when we glamorous paden city, how do you feel like it contributes to the misinformation around abortion care? >> well, look, i wanna honor tatum's experience which is differ from my experience personally. i am currently 34 weeks pregnant, and it is a very wanted pregnancy and it is my second, and it is one i chose. this is different from the coercion and loss of dignity that comes with somebody being pregnant against their will.

and i think one reason to step back here, and go back to those words of amy coney barrett, is yes, absolutely it is the erasure of the danger, the physical encroachment of pregnancy that is happening. we have to your body, which is what i focused on in my essay, you mentioned which colonel mortality. when amy current coney barrett much of this in oral argument, the attorney for the clinic said, not only as maternal mortality catastrophically high in the united states, in mississippi where this law that they were looking at came from, it is in fact 75 times more dangerous to carry a pregnancy to term than it is to have abortion. and we know that that is disproportionately women of color, mississippi disappear proportionally black women who are going to experience this. so, even the most privileged and the most chosen pregnancy involves a huge amount of risk and life-changing. and i think that it is also important flag that that dissent recognized this. so the dissent, written by the

three democratic appointees said, not only do very few individuals who are denied an abortion, and then choose adoption, but also doesn't take care of the fact that there is a real violation of dignity here. they say, whether or not they choose to parent, they will experience the profound loss of autonomy t and dignity that coerced pregnancy and birth always imposed. so, it is important to flag that there are physical risks here, but there is also a loss of individual tommy that comes when the state takes that power away from the individual. and that is not to say that adoption can't be beautiful when it involves informed consent on an individual level. but on a systemic level, it doesn't solve the problems that lead people to seek abortion, and taking it away in opposing it on people which has long been a goal of the anti-abortion movement, certainly imposes an additional harm on a person regardless of whether they and of choosing

adoption or the parent or something else. >> tatum, i want to read something else from your essay about the people, the adults around you. you are quite young at the time. the adults around you, you say the people most confident in their helpfulness, also tended to be the most destructive. my pastor asked me to get onstage at church and share my testimony. how god was working in my life despite my mystique -- while i was still pregnant. the question of whether it is kind to acts a teenager to process that in front of a crowd was never raised. pregnant teenagers were a spectacle to be pitied, advised, discussed, and overall, enjoy it. >> tell me a bit more about this. >> i think it is important to remember that if we didn't want people to experience crisis pregnancies, we can address that with other education, and better access to birth control. but we don't do that. and the way that we treat people experiencing crisis pregnancies, it's a little bit like a circus. not a fun kind, the scary

can't. and so i think that that is important to keep in mind, that has people in crisis pregnancies move through the world, they don't get the impression that everyone is rallying to help them carry that pregnancy to term, and get themselves in the baby a good life. and my experience was a real mixed bag of people being incredibly kind, people being incredibly cool, and people thinking that their kindness was helping when it was actually harming. so one thing that i hope people take away is that you are not doing credit people favored by being friendly or kind to them. they are valuable, and they deserve that as a baseline. so if you can't give them that, stay far away from them. and if you can given that, you are ready for the next level. start worrying about their financial security, and their mental health. look at the person in front of you, and worry less about whether their lifestyle, and their dreams for the future, allowed for yours. worry about loving inserting the person that you are looking

at. and i gotta say, i wish that my parents, and my son's mother were here on the show with me today because i think they are exemplary in that way. and as the years in the decades go on, the four of us have had to figure this out together. and i think that, it is a big deal that they have made space for my voice in that story, even though it is not particularly cheery. and i think that if everyone were like them, we would have a much healthier landscape for this discussion. >> tatum, i'm glad. i didn't feel we had a phone conversation about this last week, and i'm glad that you're able to come back and share this with us. and i guarantee that both of your perspectives in our perspective that we explore full enough in this discussion, so i'm grateful to you both for sharing them with us. i mean car moan is a senior correspondent and new york times magazine and tatum hunter is a personal technology reporter the washington post. if you've not read her essay, please don't read it. it will give you a perspective

that certainly my case i was not fully aware of. that doesn't do it for me the for this weekend. thank you for watching. catherine back here, not this weekend and saturday. i'm gonna be back here tomorrow, at eight to 10 am eastern on velshi. this is just the first half of the weekend that is done for me. but what i do now, is have a little breakfast and watch the cross connection with tiffany cross which begins right now. cross which begins right, good morning, welcome to the cross connection. i am tiffany cross. we have a lot to discuss in the show this morning. from the fatal police shooting to the wnba star brittney griner pleading guilty to drug charges in russia, will began with the first black female district attorney and fulton county, georgia. they were fearless leading in investigation as a potential election interference by the former president of the united states. donald trump and georgia's 2020