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across the country on what is being called a national day of protest. of course it comes after president biden signed an executive order friday it will attempt to safeguard access to abortion medication, as well as emergency contraception. in a speech, the president slamming the supreme court's decision and urging americans to vote in november. >> what we are witnessing wasn't a constitutional adjustment, it was an exercise of raw political power. i don't think the court, over that matter the republican to for decades have pushed their extreme agenda, have a clue about the power of american women. but they are about to find out, in my view. >> there's some protesters are out there saying that is not enough. >> i believe in biden's white house, i want to support them completely. i just, i agree that there is just more than a maiden. he can rally his people, he can rally his party a little bit better. >> also new today, at the white
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house announcing it will send another $360 million in humanitarian assistance to ukraine, as well as 400 million more in military equipment to help slow the russian onslaught in the eastern donbas region. and, to support the people affected by russia's war. while on capitol hill, the january six committee is gearing up for another hearing this tuesday. after securing testimony from a key witness. yesterday, former trump white house counsel pat cipollone, sat down for a marathon seven and a half hour interview before that panel. so joining us right now, nbc's laura barrick in delaware, liz mclaughlin and highland park illinois, and janice mackie flare from tokyo. welcome to you all, more we're gonna start with you here. talk about the abortion protests, but first, what do we know about the january 6th committee's hours long interview with former white house counsel pat cipollone? >> well, this is something very generous its committee has been
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waiting months for, to hear that testimony from pat cipollone. he is the white house counsel for former president trump, and remember, he represented him in his first impeachment trial. and so, as we are learning about more of what he said behind closed doors, many historians are wondering if there are similarities between him and the key witness we saw back during the watergate hearings. >> nearly eight hours, that's how long from a white house trump white house counsel pat cipollone spent testifying on capitol hill friday. while he did not answer reporters questions outside opposition, room inside, he entered in questions from the house january six committee. behind closed doors, but recorded on video for future hearings. >> i think he was candid with the committee, he was careful in his answers, and i believe that he was answer honest in his answers. >> a source familiar cipollone 's testimony tells nbc news he
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has been a cooperative witness within the parameters of his desire to protect executive privilege for the office of general counsel. the panel subpoenaed cipollone after catchy cassidy hutchinson's bombshell testimony late last month, detailing how he urged white house staff to keep trump away from the capitol on january 6th. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we are going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> mark, something needs to be done, or people are gonna die and blood's gonna be on your effing hands. even with this testimony done in private, there is anticipation in washington that cipollone's interview will be played in public as soon as this week. at the watergate hearings in 1973, president nixon sins white house counsel, john dean, was the star witness. i began by telling the president, that there was a cancer growing on the presidency. and if the cancer was not removed, the president himself
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would be killed by it. >> now we may see history repeat itself as soon as tuesday when the next public hearing is scheduled, and that is when we might see some of that videotaped testimony from cipollone yesterday. we don't have a list of the witnesses that the committee intends to bring forward, but we do know that this hearing on tuesday morning will focus on the extremism, and the efforts to coordinate between groups like the oath keepers, and the proud boys, and how they ended up at the capitol on january 6th, alex. >> yeah, thank you for that. let me get to the situation about the abortion protest, because as you well know, friday the president signed that executive order on reproductive rights. so, what protections does it offer, in lieu of roe v. wade, and do we expect an actual sit in the white house? >> that's the plan, alex. and actually, we are expecting to see many marches, women's marches across the country today. a lot of criticism, actually coming towards president biden, and this executive order saying
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that it actually doesn't really do that much. now, president biden yesterday signing this action basically working to protect the right for medication abortion. ag garland has made sure that states cannot ban medication abortion, because that has been approved for the past 20 years or so. the executive order also looking to protect emergency contraception and long term, easily reversible contraception like iuds. for example,, but this is something that the president has made clear that he cannot do alone. that constitutional right to abortion was protected by roe v. wade, and now across the nation, it is not. and so it we have seen some pushback from the progressive lawmakers and leaders across the country asking the president to permit abortions on federal lands. they said they're not going to do that. as well, they don't plan on staffing the supreme court in democrats favor. so right now, when you see president biden taking some of these actions, and wanting to support women, and people who have, who might be getting abortions across the country,
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he is also emphasizing that the only way to secure this nationally as bike hot-ifying roe v. wade. did you not have the votes for that right now which is why you're seeing this extra push towards november for people to go out and vote, so that is possible after the midterms. alex. >> okay, maura barrett there thank you so much from delaware. joining me now, terry women former u.s. attorney and now host of the talking heads podcast. good to see you, my friend. let's get into this discussion. what kind of power does the president's executive order have following the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade? we are doing that one first because the protesters today as you know, they are demanding even some kind of an action from the federal government. they have included calling on the president for a public health emergency. to have to make that kind of call. are there any federal directives that could run afoul of state laws, that restrict abortion, and then just put all of this back into the courts? >> yeah, so it's totally
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understandable. they're looking into pushing pressure on him but the sad tough act for him, there's just not a lot that he can do. remember, we saw the hyde amendment which says you can't spend federal funds on abortion. and executive order yesterday, you know more about the music than the. words it really does very little. it is pretty governmental. ask the h a c secretary to give him a report in 30 days in our agency task force, public education but all really. at the margins there's just not a lot of power. he's in charge of the executive branch, he is like the quarterback of a big teams we can say go here, flood zone et cetera. but he can't take the, rules you can't use the field. and this executive order, and anything else, it's really just pruning at the edges just not much he can do. >> yeah, 16 hearings now. as we get into that committee, which as you know heard from former white house counsel pat cipollone, and this was during
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nearly eight hours of testimony behind closed doors. afterwards, we had committee members say that he did not take the fifth, and he provided new formation. she was not specific beyond that, but beyond one of one direction with trump, for which he can claim executive privilege, why is cipollone's testimony crucial to explaining the details around january 6th? >> two reasons, first he is a fact witness, alex, for some really important episodes. for example, he is the guy who actually tells meadows, tell, get your dogs call your dogs off, and meadow says, i can't do anything. you heard trump thinks the right. he is the guy who said, this is a murder suicide pact about the doj letter. every effing crime imaginable. so there is 45 of those, and then second, even if he tries to back away from one-on-one discussions, and there were half a dozen times yesterday where he stepped out with his lawyer, there are many discussions that are not when i
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won, not covered by privilege. others have testified to, when you hear him telling trump, this is unlawful. you can't do that with other people in the room. so those two things are really very strong. so lofgren played it close to the best, but i think they probably did get a lot of important confirming details from him, and they say a new union nuggets as well. and i think we could see those as early as tuesday. >> so, all this was heightened after former white house aide, catch the hatches stun, told the panel how he, to your point was repeatedly fighting trump's efforts to overturn the election. warning they could be charged with every crime imaginable, all of that. but it is unclear if he addressed any of these issues. specifically, the law screen said he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses. so, we do not know if he actually supported them as well we don't know if he supports
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them as well. everything it's parts very carefully. how cute is testimony prove that donald trump sought to overturn the election? >> okay, so let me say first that she made a big distinction between confirming and not contradict xing, so you are right. and we do think that there is a couple of instances where they actually steered clear, because i think that they were worried about the ugly soundbite contradicting hutchison. but if she he confirmed what she says, you have trump being aware of the violence, remember he wants his people to come through the bags, and actually fomenting the violence wanting to be the cheerleader, completely upset that they won't let him go to the capitol. and we are there for in, seditious conspiracy lands. because that is about encouraging the violence itself. that means seditious conspiracy, that means inciting a riot. so those facts are established, and of course we are talking also down the line with doj.
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these are the most serious crimes that the doj has charged to date, and they would be stunning and historic to charge a former president with having done them. >> do me a favor, explain if there is a difference, and if so what it is. because pat cipollone's title, he is white house counsel. he is not donald trump counsel, or the specific name of a president, so claiming executive privilege in all of that, actions of an individual that maybe doesn't reflect the office of the presidency. i could be going down rapidly here, but is there a difference? is he donald trump's attorney or is he a presidents attorney? is there a distinction? >> there is a distinction. it gets a little bit fine grained and legal but it is really important he is aware of it. a honey percent clear he is not donald trump's attorney, hunted
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percent clear he's not biden's attorney. he is the attorney for whom the president the presidency. so all of his concerns here will be the future ability for a white house counsel to counsel the presidency. that means among other things, first, biden has already waves on behalf of the presidency. we only have one president at a time and be, just as you say, if trump is acting as a candidate, not the president. if he is committing a crime which vitiated sunny privilege, no claim at all. so i think cipollone was being a little extra careful, and the committee was being letting him be. they had eight hours, they don't want to waste time. they had intermodal skirmishes, they let him sort of push a little, and he let them kind of push back a little but i never sent clear that just as you say, he is the lawyer for the presidency. so we will find him i think, saying when you get a real
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one-on-one with a man in the oval office, he may steer clear even if it is legally dubious and they will let time. they've got a lot to get from him, even without taking on the finer points of the distinction you are very properly racing. >> okay, harry lippman, always great to find your points my friend. thank you very much. and for all of, you be sure to watch msnbc, we have all day coverage of tuesday's hearings speaking with morning joe at 6 am, then k teacher, andrea mitchell, holly jackson, they've got it after the hearing. and, if you can't watch during the day you can watch the recap at 8 pm with rachel maddow and her panel of msnbc holes. for all of their keen insights, it is tuesday for you here on msnbc. let's turn now to highland park illinois families are bearing their loved ones falling the july 4th mass shooting. this morning, eduardo vallow became the fourth victim to be laid to rest. families think by to jacqui sometime, steven styles, and nicolas toledo yesterday. last hour, the emasculation section of highland park led a vigil and a walk to the scene,
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where seven people were killed and many more wounded. later today, a rally will be held in the city to demand an end to gun violence. a colleague in the msnbc of liz mclaughlin, joining us from highland park illinois. liz, welcome to you. house the community they're holding up these five days since the attack? >> less than a week, alex, and it is still such a shock so much heartbreak, members of the community, families torn apart. parents, grandparents, stolen from this world way too soon. and the community is grappling i saw that vigil, you just spoke about from immaculate conception church and i'm actually here with father hernandez cuevas who is leading that beautiful vigil. and you know, father, often we call a church a sanctuary, but in your case it really was a shelter from the chaos. talk to me a little bit about that day and how people came to your church to seek shelter. >> we were looking forward to being --
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we are so excited about. one of the things that i wanted to do was keep this beautiful memories of all of us being together this new parish communities. so i put my phone, and i started to go around to kind of record flow, and then at some point i heard the sounds of leg fireworks but they were not fireworks, because a few seconds later i saw this wave of people running from us. so then, the rest of this, you see people running everywhere. so when i saw, that i turned around and because i was kind of out front of the flow and then it was like a banner and two of the people were holding it and i was about the banner and then the truck that was pulling the float. so we saw them run, run and then people started running towards the church that we got there, we start to go in and as i got in the church people who just look at the forms, texting. i saw a lot of anxiety wanted to know also is going on in there telling us that we were supposed to be sheltering in
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her own safety. so i went to the sacristy, got my microphone, but i invited my parishioners to be inside. to pray, to trust that they're taking care of all of us at this moment and the people that were out there. and yes, so that is how we kind of came together and the part of this experience was these three kids that were also among off, running with us and our katika to get them particularly. because they saw the kids, again in this blood and the shots, and they came inside of the church and we -- . take care of everybody so we have from. >> covered in blood, sheltering? >> yes, they came into our church and and so we took everybody that we and we did the best we could with everybody on staff you know looking after each other. >> unfortunately, that is all the time we have but i'm so
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glad that you just started july 1st, so you've just been comforting this community and i'm so they're so grateful. there's still a long road of healing ahead here. alex. >> yeah, he has a lot of work ahead of him, that's for sure. liz, thank you so much. so far for this month, for all of you it is only day nine by the way. america has suffered 27 mass shootings claiming 25 lives. for the year, 325 mass shootings taking the lives of 354 people. coming up next, a suspected gunman in japan said about why he killed the former prime minister, and why it is so puzzling. and calls for a britney griner's release are going to be growing louder, but griner's wife is saying about her conversation with the president. louder, but griner' wife isas ying when you have technology that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right? yeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator. conversation with th
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please say that the suspect used a homemade shotgun. nbc's lawyer is in tokyo with the latest. janice, over to you. >> the death of former japanese prime minister has shocked japan, shocked the world. the investigation is raising questions about security. the assassination was all captured on video. warning, in some of these images are disturbing to watch. >> across japan, a nation is in mourning. growing memorials and mounting questions around the assassination of a former prime minister, since all of a. a hearse carrying his body joe seven hours, from where he died all the way to his home in tokyo. that is where his family will hold a closed funeral. the assassination was captured in realtime. shinzo abe was given a campaign speech when there was a shot fired. from another angle, you can see him turn briefly. then the second shot. he collapses as the suspected
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gunman was tackled. please describe it as a homemade a shotgun made of metal pipes and tape. it was seen lying on the street. a little is known about the 41-year-old suspect. police say that he admitted that he wanted to kill the prime minister because of a garage. what is not clear is how unarmed man got close enough to shinzo abby to kill him. >> one of japan's most recognizable figures, he was popular yet polarizing. he was focused on restoring japan's military power to counter the rising threat from china. he took president obama to hiroshima. he became the first japanese leader to visit pearl harbor. >> prime minister abe was an incredible leader, once in a generation. he was an amazing partner to the united states. i think that both of our countries have lost a great leader and friend. >> in a country where stringent gun laws make it harder to own a firearm, the brazen attack is
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deeply shocking. >> there's more nurses that it is terrifying that something like this could happen. >> the biggest question is about the security. how can an armed man get it passed the security detail and approach the former prime minister from behind? after firing a first shot, how could he then fired a second shot, the shot that killed shinzo abe, before being stopped by security? these questions are being answered by please. they are opening an internal probe to look at the flaws of their own security plan. meanwhile, funeral services will be held over monday or tuesday at a temple in tokyo. they will be limited to his family in those close to him. alex? >> utterly shocking. okay, thank you for that. thank you. let's go now to the brittney griner shot saga. there was a renewed call from her wife to release the wnba star. britney griner, who has been detained since february, she pleaded guilty to drug charges. she now faces up to ten years
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in prison. megan fitzgerald is joining us from london. welcome. what do we know about the latest effort to bring her home? one of the reasons behind her guilty plea? >> alex, good to be with you. we do not know specifics as far as what the administration is doing to secure her release. we do know that her wife had a chance to speak to the president and vice president on wednesday. she says that she feels confident that they are doing everything they can. as far as that guilty plea is concerned, griner's attorney says the hope here is that the plea will help expedite the trial. that will put brittani in a position to try and secure her release. >> it is another morning that wnba star brittney griner is waking up inside of a russian prison. the two-time olympian pleaded guilty just days ago to drug charges after being caught with cannabis oil in a moscow airport in february. >> it was brought to russia. >> the high profile case means
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that celebrities, athletes, and reverence are now speaking out. >> bring britney home. bring her home to her wife. we are going to stand with her until you do. >> she is joining griner's wife and a wnba friday at a press conference out of the also game in chicago. her wife was desperate for her release. she thinks president biden. he called her this week >>. >> i am thankful that the administration took the time to see her as a person. they saw her in the midst of what she is going through. >> the call for biden and vice president harris came after britney griner penned a letter. it said in part, as i said here without the protection of my wife, family, friends, olympic jersey, or any accomplishments, i am terrified that i might be here forever. >> the president wrote back. he said that the administration will do everything possible to secure her release. >> i believe everywhere that
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she said to him. >> meanwhile, there is speculation if the released will happen through a prisoner swap. russian state media has said that the kremlin wants the arms dealer returned. they are currently serving a 25 year sentence in the united states. the white house is not commenting. britney griner's family is hopeful that all options are on the table. >> the kremlin has said that they will not even discuss the possibility of a prisoner swap until this trial is over. alex, keep in mind that this is something that could take months. >> it absolutely could. it is a frightening time for britney griner. thank you so much. elon musk says that the deal is off. twitter says that it is not. this could get ugly. not. this could get ugly. this could get ugly. what about the body? new dove shower collection is infused with hyaluronic and peptide serums. to make your skin feel smoother and more radiant.
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judge's ruling yesterday. the decision came on the same day president biden ordered an executive order to protect abortion in states where it is still legal. advocates of abortion rights have filed court challenges to laws restricting the procedure. gas prices are slowly but surely going down after record high prices in june. u.s. gas prices have dropped more than 11% this week alone. aaa says the national average for a gallon of gas is worth 75. that is down from the high price of 5:16 in june. and, do you check this out. a plane touched down on a north carolina highway over the holiday weekend. police say the plane had to make an emergency landing due to edge and failure. no one was hurt, and the pilot managed to avoid mountainous terrain there, and multiple power lines. so, good job. but imagine that car coming in the opposite direction. like what? anyway. the saga over elon musk's plans to by twitter, taking another major turn. the billionaire is now saying he wants out of his 44 billion dollar takeover offer.
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nbc's cal perry is following. this so cal, this is quite the about face for mask. what is the latest? >> in just the past two months, elon musk has gone from being all in on twitter, to being all out. now trying to back out of that 44 hit daunte. twitter, for its part, saying not so fast. the deal is a deal. >> it began with a style and flair that were now somewhat accustomed to when it comes to the richest man in the world. but this might end in a courtroom. last night, elon musk announcing in a filing with the fcc, he wants out of his deal to buy twitter. saying in part to that the company made quote, balsam this leading representations, especially when it came to bots or fake accounts. musk, currently worth an estimated 219 billion dollars, initially purchased 9% of twitter with cash in april. he entertained rumors of a hostile takeover. he trash talk to twitter on twitter. and finally came to new agreement to buy the social media giant for $44 of their
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labor. that deal now very much in jeopardy. twitter chairman responded by saying, the twitter board is committed to closing the transaction of the price and terms agreed upon which must cover bust and plans to pursue legal action to force the merger agreement. that could lock musk into the 44 plane dollar purchase. another possible outcome for musk is a one billion dollar contractual fine to break the deal. twitter stock closed at 36 81 before the announcement on friday, the agreed purchase price was 50 4:20. some believe clay from up fake twitter accounts is an excuse to avoid the full purchase price. yeah >> he is just reaching out for something to blame, but he has to pay, he has to buy the company. he has agreed to it under very strict strict contract. either the eccentric musk, this has been some kind of week. business insider dropping a bombshell, revealing that musk and one of his top executives, had twins last year. musk's eighth and ninth child. the reports sign court
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documents that nbc news has not seen. you must has yet to comment officially, but following this report, he took to the very platform hunker wants to buy, saying he was quote doing his best to help the under population crisis. now must has not responded to our request for comment, either, and he has been unusually quiet on his social media obsessions since that as a cc filing. back to you. >> very interesting, thank you cal. so he is complaining and campaigning a lot, but will donald trump be announcing what? that is trump's calculations, and the so-called republican road to hell. road to hell. is trump's and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. calculations and the so-calle
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sarah palin tonight. we are joined live from las vegas. welcome. what is donald trump saying as all of these investigations are happening alongside his prospects for a 2024 white house bid? >> yeah, alex, he is waking up here in about of this morning before making his way to a campaign rally in alaska later today. he will be campaigning alongside the likes of sarah palin. she is running for congress. there is also a candidate, kelly chewbacca, she is running against lisa -- she is a fellow republican incumbent senator. donald trump is trying to oust her from office. this is an individual who he sees as a political opponent, one who voted to convict him after the january 6th insurrection. that is where you see these to pass 20 perpendicular to inch other. one, there is the investigations. not only are we anticipating these january 6th public hearings to continue on tuesday and thursday of this week, this
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comes after his former white house chief of counsel, pat cipollone, sat for a death position for more than eight hours yesterday, you also have that fulton county district attorney investigation. they're investigating potential interference in georgia election in 2020. the subpoena opened up in that exclusive interview. it opened up the possibility that donald trump himself could be subpoenaed in an investigation. fast forward a week from now, donald trump is slated to sit for a deposition with the new york attorney generals office as a part of the new york attorney general letitia james's probe into the trump organization. all of these investigations are clouding out once. i want you to listen into the former president at an event last night. he addressed those investigations broadly. >> just like a third world dictatorship, democrats only see the law as a weapon to persecute their political opponents while they let rapists and murderers go free. they do this instead of going
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after republicans, conservatives, and others, but they should be focused on taking down the gangs, killers, murderers. we have to get away from these political witch hunts and start focusing on making america great again. >> >> that is where you hear it. the former president is trying to turn in these investigations by suggesting that democrats are not focused, in his words, on the real crime. that is where you see him continue to go out on the campaign trail for other trump loyalists and try to build up a coalition that could take the majority in the senate and the house next year. if republicans are able to do so, alex, that would mean the end of any investigations into him or his allies. >> yes, 100%. that is why all of the effort. lisa murkowski's opponent, the last name is chewbacca? if it is the latter i think that they have a bit to work with -- it is --
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right? >> chewbacca. it will be an entertaining for months. >> i think so. thank you very much. good to see you. also new, a prediction that trump is likely to pronounce a 2024 presidential bid. this will intercept a challenge from ron desantis. joining me is the former communications director for jeb bush, a presidential candidate back in 2016. he is a political analyst. his new book is titled, why we did it. it is a travel log from the republican road to hell. tim, welcome to you. that is some title. first, do you think that trump is going to run again? i mean, why would he? does he really believe that he will win a general election in 2024? >> i am not sure that i have any special cyclist -- this is my observation from the outside. i don't see him as the type to
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move down to midland and start painting like george w. bush. he will not just let other people get the spotlight. this is a man who likes attention. you have him letting ron desantis be the headliner will he is the opening act, he could be hanging out in florida, that just doesn't seem like donald trump to me. that seems like a person who as long as he can have the spotlight, he will want it. that is honestly why i suspect he will run. there are some legal benefits to running. i think that certain prosecutors will be less likely to move forward against him as a candidate. there are multiple incentives pushing him to run. we will see. >> yeah. he would be close to the office of the presidency. that would offer a level of protection from certain things. give me a sense of how republicans are reacting to the january six testimony. is there any evidence that you are seeing that trump supporters are being swayed by the hearings? >> a tiny bit.
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there is a podcast called the focus group. we listen to trump voters and ask them questions about it. over the last two weeks, we have heard how trump's grip on the party is slipping in certain quarters. it has just been nonsense. the people that i talked to still of trump. they want him to run in 2024. recently, we have been seeing people say, well, i still like trump, i still think the media and leads me to him, i think you gotta roddie'll, that is obviously not true, that is what they are told and conservative media. maybe it is time to move forward. i just think that is small change of evidence. on the donor level, you see them trying to nudge towards the santos. there has been some evidence in this. maybe not the great awakening that i would like to see. that is that donald trump lied and scanned over these voters for years. he is responsible for running
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their lives. they could be nudging in the right direction. to be honest, we have seen it before. they might go back into his clutches. this is something to worth watch. >> do you think there is a silent majority or group out there that says we are going to stay quiet? the backlash isn't worth it, the attack and where the. we don't like trump, we are gonna be a quiet about it and let our voting speak for us. >> i don't think so. that is among the elite's. you just described every republican senator. they want to make donald trump disappear. they want one desantis or mike pence instead. every single one of those people would waive the one in the senate. the voters are different. it is a bottom up issue. >> after this. there's a spectrum of republicans. there are the anti trumpers, you have the qanon and maga
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crowd. where are a majority of americans right now? who are today's republicans? how did a self-described? >> look, if you look at the party, there is about half that are mega. this is pro trump more than pro republican. you have 40%, 45% that are your traditional old school conservative republicans. you have about 4% that are like me. they are actually anti trump. they are wanting to change the party. most folks like i, they left the party. you have a 50/50 split between a pure trump side and people who had just be happy to move on to pence or desantis. >> this is a look at why we did it. the realign is down there. this is a travelog new republican road to hell. thank you. >> we are still on. >> i know.
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party head of the midterms as the gop senate candidates in capital states are struggling to breakthrough. take pennsylvania. mehmet oz is trailing in the polls there. he has not been endorsed by key republicans in a nomination and has basically gone dark on the airwaves since may. bad move sure xia, usual walker's neck and neck with senator warnock as he faces paternity scandals, and reports of campaign staffers accusing him of being a pathological liar. and there's missouri, scandal plagued former governor eric gripes their most recently under fire for a campaign encouraging people to hunt rhinos. look at that, with that shotgun
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in hand. of course an elderly country watching a video saying that he is a broken man, urging him to drop out. joining me now, kurt, adela g and contributed to the daily beast. good to see you both. kurt, you first hear. what do you make of it all? if you are mitch mcconnell, are you worried? >> he should be. i mean alex, this is a repeat of what we saw on the 2014 cycle republicans nominated a bunch of whack job candidates who are outside of the mainstream, and they lost races that republicans really thought that they're going to win to make gains on. and it is the same cycle we are seeing repeated right now. these are people who are just so far outside of where most american values are, that they are alienating themselves on the republican party. there is a reason why in recent polls, republicans are under water with independence. they are flipped upside down on that congressional generic ballot. there's a reason why you have candidates that, if you are own
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staff can't trust what you are saying, how can any voter reason to stand to want to trust what you are saying to them? these are systemic issues that are not going to get any better as this campaign unfolds. >> i'm going to say though, that 2014 example you give, well and good, however prior to the trump administration which seems like it turned everything right on its head upside down about that. michael, as you think about historically you had a midterm elections but in the party in power, people are certainly expecting a red wave. but they look at these races, and there is a very real possibility democrats could and up maintaining, even gaining some seats in the senate. is that how you see it? >> look, this is a little bit about luck for democrats, but also about where the republican party is. this is indicative. these candidates who are representative of the republican party, are also indicative of republican voters. i mean, doctor oz, another reality tv character. herschel walker, someone who has and serious. eric greens, someone who had to
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be removed from office, has done horrific things, and most republican senators and members of congress don't support. i think really, democrats have to not fall into that trap of not taking these candidates seriously, but also really painting the party of indicative of the candidates. >> yeah, i've gotta say it is pretty bold to be removed from office, and then come back and run again. that is pretty striking. but kurt, what do you think it is about these candidates? i mean, could be that trump factor doesn't work for everyone, and that is ultimately what will be a deciding factor? >> i think the biggest mistake that people of politics can make is to go, well, if donald trump can get away with this, then i can't do. it is not transferable. we have seen time and again that it is a very unique environment that really only applies to donald trump to get away with doing things like, grab and by the you know what, that you can refer to drug
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dealers as image as to immigrants as regulars and rapists, you can make fun of american soldiers were captured by the enemy. only donald trump seems to really get away with this. the rest of these people, cannot. and the one thing we have to remember, donald trump was a nationally-known figure when he came on the political scene. everybody had already heard him, they knew him, they had an impression of him. nobody had been talking about herschel walker in a really really long time since like the late 80s when he played football for the philadelphia eagles. nobody has been talking about brightens, except the candles and places in her career. and mehmet oz, i mean doctor oz on daytime tv, but as far as pennsylvania voters go, this isn't a hometown home state guy. this isn't someone that they have a reinforce open enough. so their first impression of these candidates is all universally negative and bad, and that is not going to get any better as we head towards november. >> yeah, you are right. that is a big difference. good point you made there. so there is one major issue that is gonna impact the midterms, and that is abortion. yet the president who signed the executive order friday in attempt to safeguard access to
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abortion. but, protesters in d.c. are saying that they want to see more. the washington post reporting, in the view of many distraught democrats the country is facing a phone crisis on a range of issues and biden seems unwilling around able to respond with appropriate force. democracy is under direct attack, they say, as republicans change and the supreme court rapidly re-writes american law. shootings are 18, abortion rights have ended, and democrats could suffer big losses in the next election. what is your reaction to that, michael? >> look, i wrote a column this week talking about that fact. president biden has failed to meet the moment. having already seen the draft proposal from the supreme court, six weeks ago, two months ago, the administration should've and ready on day one to roll out new proposals. they should have been ready to roll out allowing americans to have abortions on federal property. these are layups, and it seems like over and over again, the
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administration is caught on that sealed. in ways that it shouldn't be. these are simple messaging issues. but yet, they seem to fall on their face. and so, i think what you are saying now is, a lot of democrats really, cannot take it to the next level. and say, if you are not gonna do this, you're not gonna show up and be loud, and fight back, then we will find someone who will. and i think that is why you are seeing the emergence of gavin newsom in california, less than a year after facing recall. i think that is why you are hearing other candidates potentially talk about jumping into the race. this is, this has been a systemic problem with this administration. and listen, i liked about him. i think that he did a really good job in the first years of getting us through covid, kind of returning to some sense of normalcy after donald trump, but i don't think he understands that this isn't to go fast. this is a knife i, and we've got to be serious. this is about the future of our democracy. >> so, i wanna get reaction to the same thing kurt, and let everyone know watching you there as you see its live pictures on the left ear
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screen. outside the white house, lafayette park you are seeing a sudden for folks who are protesting what's happened at the supreme court denying abortion rights to all this country. so, kirk, last word to you. >> you know, this is the biggest difference that i have observed for my formal life as a republican, being democrat. or republicans are in power, you never hear them say god, i wish the president were stronger this, and dividing one another, and fighting with one another. i am so freaking sick of hearing stories of, oh democrats or so -- . stop doing that, democrats. you want to protest, you want to have your voice heard, the one thing that you can do that is important, that is meaningful, that could change everything, as to show up and vote in november. everything else is just performative. everything else will not change the outcome of things have going into this country. president biden's one had percent right when he says, if you want to difference, we need to more pro-choice senators. we need to keep a pro-choice house of representatives, and then we can get the things you want done, but that is what matters. keep your fire on republicans. the one reason why this stuff
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is happening in america, as we gather publicans are posing extreme minority views on the rest of us. we have to stop them. the only place we can do that is at the ballot box. stop complaining, stop griping, it is not going to serve your purpose. republicans, don't do that. they stay united, and they win. we need to do that too. >> okay, preach curb adela. thank you for that. you too, michael starr hopkins. good to see you both. coming up next, jobs report that surprised even the optimists, plus eight hours behind closed doors. what we have learned about pat cipollone's meeting with the january six committee. learned about pat learned about pat cipollone's meeting ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ applebee's late night. because half off is just more fun. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. january six committee.
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