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privacy, simplified. across the country today on what is being called a national day of protest. we are gonna bring you a live report on the protest itself in just a moment. but it comes just one day after the president signed an executive order attempting to protect access to abortion medication and emergency contraception. meanwhile, the january six committee is gearing up for its next public hearing on tuesday it comes after the panel heard after eight hours of testimony

from formal white house counsel pat cipollone on friday. earlier today, on msnbc, mary trump discuss just how damaging this could be for the former president. >> to say that donald is terrified is accurate, and also an understatement. i think that this might be the first time in his entire life that, even he can't deny the walls may indeed be closing. and the witness is not coming forward, are increasingly important in terms of access, and in terms of their positions and his administration. and they are an impeachable. >> and while major boston a shuns now top multiple fronts, dollars of his back on the campaign trail. today the former president heads to alaska to serve for 11 republicans including former governor sarah palin. it becomes a day that trump lashed out a democratic candidate for supporting the republican candidates in. >> biden has to republicans ant

seems as though the justice department, and even local and state prosecutors, have become weaponized. they are after politicians, not the people that are murdering people on the streets. >> now let's check in with nbc 's mauro baron who is with the -- impeach delaware and also gary graham brockville joins us from capitol hill. morrow, we are starting with you here. we have president biden's executive order to protect reproductive rights. that is certainly now upright in place. however, the question now is how much of an impact is going to have? >> well, alex, even the white house admits that this is just a start. there is only so much that the president can do by executive action. to help what they say is with the supreme court overturned. president of over 50 years, the right to an abortion no matter what. so right now, the president signing this executive action protecting the fact that people across all states should still be able to have access to medication abortion, should

still be would have access to contraception. they also want to be able to protect the right for anybody seeking an abortion to travel across state lines. but this is, and i should note to you, protect patient data privacy online as well. and so this is something that they are directing to hhs to work on, and also trying to provide any resources that they can do the federal trade commission to cover that data, privacy point as well. but, unfortunately, the president says that he is doing all he can but ultimately is gonna come down to caught buying roe v. wade, which they don't have the votes for right now. and so even though you are seeing this anger that you see on your screen, screen that's frustration in protest that i should note are planned across the country today for president biden to take more action now. he is pushing ahead towards the midterms, he spoke a little bit yesterday before signing the executive order about how he has faith in the power of women and democratic voters to help take action in the fall. >> i don't think the court, or for that matter republicans who for decades have pushed their

extreme agenda, have a clue about the power of american women. but they are about to find out, in my view. it is my hope, and stronger leaf, that women will in fact turn out in record numbers and reclaim the rights that have been taken from them by the court. >> the president grew very passionate in his remarks yesterday, calling a gun that supreme court decision terrible, and extreme. again, the white house saying that this is the first step of the more actions that they plan to take recline at the white house is gender policy council yesterday, saying that they're considering working on a public health emergency declaration. but they have not reached that yet. but again, they say that they will be doing all that they can ahead of election, to make sure that women are anybody seeking abortion can have that right. >> so, you know mara, there was some criticism the last hour and it came from michael starr hopkins. and as we look at this very vociferous and passionate crowd here outside the white house, i

mean, this is not lost in the president. but what he said was that there was about six weeks when the leak of the draft opinion was put out there. and he feels like the biden administration was caught somewhat flat-footed. they are reacting now when they could have actually had something in place the day of that announcement, when that was made official on this land by the supreme court. at long abortion federally speaking across the country. so is there any sentiments about that that is percolating within the white house, is there any look back thinking she we should've done something sooner to avoid exactly what we are seeing here on the screen? >> yeah, alex, i spent many days outside the supreme court after that decision was overturned, and many people made that same point to me. and as someone who had spent days leading up to that supreme court decision sitting in that press briefing room, grumpier,

the white house press secretary had been asked about this many times since the draft was leaked. we knew it was going to be coming from the supreme court. they said that they were considering executive action. they said they were considering that action, but again like you said this executive order could have been put into place the same day, or the day after even the decision was overturned. and so, that has been something that has been brought up in the press briefing room just yesterday. they are pushback from the white house is saying that basically, they needed to take that time and they wanted to support the fda and the ftc in doing this scientific work to make sure that the rights are protected from state to state. but again, like you said, that frustration is not lost on this as white house reporters or the white house as well. because that is definitely something that the people, and their electorate, is frustrated by and i don't know if they are considering how much this lack of immediate action could impact them down the road in november as much as the president is pushing people to get invigorated to vote.

>> yep, 100 percent. good point you make there. thank you mora, for that. we are gonna go from there now to capitol hill everyone, general six committee finally hearing on the record testimony from one of its most sought after witnesses, so we are going to air in bc's gary graham bought from capitol hill. question to you gary, why does the committee so keen on hearing from former white house counsel pat cipollone. there's a lot of presumptions to that, but what do you know? >> they had to subpoena him, but this was a big get for the january six committee, alex. and in person, under oath, deposition that was videotaped of somebody who was in the room when these conversations happened on january 6th, and in the days leading up to january 6th. specifically, related to the conversations about donald trump having interest in heading here to the capitol on that day. so here's what we know about how the deposition went. we know it was eight hours long, which makes it one of the longest oppositions this committee has held. we also know that we are told he was a cooperative witness, and that he did not invoke his fifth amendment privileges. but we are told, that we are

not sure about how the extent to which he used executive privilege as it relates to his conversations with the president. but we are told, the committee believes, this was a worthwhile day of a deposition with pat cipollone. here's what representative zoe laughlin, member of that committee, said last night. >> mr. cipollone did appear voluntarily and answer a whole variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses. and i think we did learn a few things, which we will be rolling out in the hearings to come. >> now, later in that interview, representative lofgren made clear that not contradicting is not the same as confirming. she made that point, and i think that is an interesting point to underline. but when could we see some of this deposition come out? we have seen that in the past, of how they are woven in some of the definitions in the past had some of these hearings. the next hearing is on tuesday morning, and we are told that it will focus on domestic

extremist when it comes to the oath keepers and the proud boys, and their relationship to trump world and the trump white house. alex. >> okay, thank you so much gary go back for that and we're gonna continue the conversation as we bring in hugo logo congressional reporter for the guardian. hugo, you heard right there, congressman zoloft seeing the pat cipollone did not contradict testimony from other witnesses during his meeting on friday. so does that mean that he confirmed some of their previous findings? i mean even the most explosive testimony? >> so, according to my reporting, they didn't go in and ask pat cipollone what's cassidy hutchison said, is that all true? when they basically said was we have our own questions, and we are going to get to your account of what happened on january 6th. and when they got to his account on january 6th, and largely dovetailed with what cat city hutchinson was saying. so in that sense, you might say that he confirmed or corroborated some of the testimony, but he wasn't asked explicitly was cassidy

hutchinson's testimony correct. and i think that is the distinction that the committee is trying to make your, because they have their own impressions and their own analysis and findings that they want to get from him. so that was appointed that deposition. >> okay, so is a locker and was very good about keeping mom as best she could, but how about your sources? i've you heard anything about when he made revealed during the interview? >> it is still difficult to get exactly what pat rhonita. we know that his testimony was supposed to be restricted in some sense. they were concerned about executive privilege although, is not been entirely clear with those concerns were given that the biden administration has understood to a wave of privilege. but that being said, a lot of with just one included was stuff like, what did he tell the former president with respect to couldn't go to the capitol, and was the whole plan to stop the certification unlawful? and we know, through other witnesses that pat cipollone has said that. that was unlawful. so we expect that to be one of the key elements of that

deposition. >> which perfectly goes with this, cassidy hutchinson's testimony during that last hearing. that really sets the stage for that highly anticipated sit down with cipollone, so let's get the viewing audience here a refresher on some of what >> she said about the former white house counsel. take a listen everyone. >> mr. cipollone and i had a brief private conversation where he said, to me we need to make sure that this doesn't happen. this would be legally terrible idea for us. mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't come to the capitol kathy. keep in touch with me. we are going to get charged with every crime imaginable. >> we are obstructing justice, were obstructing the electoral college count. >> that is a really key moment that she is talking about there. do you think pat cipollone touched on this? >> well, i imagine it is

definitely one of the committee's questions. we don't know yet whether he answered in the affirmative or whether he gave more detail to fill in the gaps in that account. but looking forward to tuesday, the other thing the casten rays was that trump ray asked mark meadows's chief of staff to get in touch with roger stone and michael flynn. he was known connections to the powered boys and the earth keepers. so i think that was another part of the context on the table for pets abalone, thinking quite nicely that hearing coming up next. >> it was interesting that point, because in the article you discussed the new documentary. so let's get to that part of it. this is called the steele. it offers an inside look, right, at all of these -- steel efforts before january 6th. so talk about what the film has revealed about, let's take roger stone's role in that. when you know about that? >> well look, the documentaries

about the stop the steal effort that was led by irie alexandra. the person who are alexandra was a protegee to was robert stone according to our reporting. and, roberts roger stone frequently had discussions with ali alexander about the way that they could strategize to help trump in his efforts to overturn the election, stop the steal, organize some of the rallies. in fact, already applied for some of the permits including one on the east side of the capitol that didn't take place on january six because the, it was overwhelmed by the events of that day. so, it kind of tracks that and looks at with they're doing. as a film about stop the steal. but it is notable i think the roger stone comes up. it is notable as well as michael flynn both of which you write about the most recent. report allred hugo, thank you so much for that. we will talk to you soon no doubt. and for all of, you can go you be sure to watch msnbc for all day coverage of tuesday's hearings. it begins with one job 6 am, and evander mitchell, katie

church, holly jackson, they'll be joining after the hearing and if you can't watch during the day, you can watch the recap at 8 pm with rachel maddow and her panel of msnbc. house for their keen insights, it is tuesday for you here on msnbc. now though to the latest on the economy, and efforts to present a recession. the labor department says that 372,000 jobs in june. the unemployment rate maybe study at 3.6% and as tom costello reports, the job reports precip in the optimists. employers have now added more private sector jobs than before the pandemic. health care, business services, leisure, hospitality, transportation, and manufacturing. >> as the federal reserve tries to avoid a recession, a top official says that this employment report is very encouraging. >> this report judge reaffirms that the economy is strong. >> unemployment is still nearly 50-year lows. more jobs and workers to fill

them. in dallas, paris branch left her job as an insurance adjuster for months to go to work on her social media presence. when she retired decided to return to the job market, she quickly had four officers. >> i was seeing anywhere from $10,000 to 20,000 dollar increase is based off of experience alone. >> and wisconsin, patrick offers good pay and benefits. he simply cannot foreign workers for his four italian restaurants. he is no longer i open for lunch. >> gas prices are down 30 cents and three weeks. consumer spending is slowing. home construction is slowing. >> is a recession last likely because of the strong report? >> it is very difficult to call this economy a recession with strong jobs numbers and low unemployment. >> he has that yesterday's numbers might give the federal reserve confidence to raise

interest rates later this month. new details on the stunning assassination of japan's former prime minister. we have questions about how unarmed man managed to get so close. why did he do it? that is still a mystery. managed to get s close. why did he do it that is still a mystery.

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ones are buried following the july 4th mass shooting in highland park, illinois. earlier today, dozens of people took part at a walk to the scene, where 70 people were killed and many more wounded. later today, a rally will be held in the city, demanding an end to the gun violence. this morning, edgewater became the fourth victim to be laid to rest. nbc's louis mclaughlin is joining us. how are the folks there being helped through this tragedy? and its immediate aftermath? >> alex, it is quite a process but these gatherings, like you just mentioned, the vigil, and just behind me a steady stream of people coming to pay their

respects, to lay down flowers, someone just handed me a cookie for comfort. just giving out hugs and trying to comfort each other through this sheer tragedy. it is a tight-knit community. there are a lot of mental health resources that people i spoke to are saying, are very much needed. this is something that involves a lot of trauma. especially for children who were there that day. this isn't a -- this is a family parade. it is supposed to be fun and now has burned these haunting memories, i spoke with a teacher who has taught here for 20 years who says that pop pop pop sound haunts her in her dreams. every time she hears a loud noise she is startled. her grandson, six, she's been taking him to counseling. every time he hears a police siren he startled. there's a lot of, besides grieving, losing members of community, and trying to process that, it's trauma that they are trying to get through. of those survivors. and i spoke to one couple who

has lived here for 22 years, how their community is dealing with this. here is what she had to say. >> when something like this happens, i think we all stick together even more. even when it doesn't feel good to be here, even when it is sad. even one it feels like there is nothing we can really do other than be with each other. and comfort each other. there are a lot of people still in hospitals. so we are going to find out who else will need help. the children in this community are going to need a lot of help. and so, it is an opportunity, really, for us, to help one another. good >> and she is a good friend of jackie, who was laid to rest yesterday. she went to her funeral and talked about the beautiful message from her daughter that we can all take into our lives, instead of being bitter or angry. a message of love, to laugh more, to give more love and kindness to the world. that might be the secret to get through this.

alex? let's hope that interview with and as she is spot on. thank you for bringing this to us, liz. overseas now, the latest in japan. the nation is in a state of shock and mourning after former prime minister, shinzo abe, was assassinated by a gunman carrying what police described as a homemade shotgun. raising some new questions today about how that suspect was able to get that close to abe in the first place, and why he did it. joining me now, carrie and jody, a local reporter in tokyo. thank you for joining. tell me about two things, the security and the motivation. >> well, alex, the head of the police department in charge of security for the former prime minister, shinzo abe, when he was shot on friday here, had a press conference today and said that he cannot deny the possibility that they there were lapses in security protocol during this event. he did not go into more detail,

but there are questions being asked. similar to what you are asking me as to how these two shots were fired, and after the first shot, as we see in the video that has been widely circulating on social media about this shooting, why there was no special protection or bodyguards surrounding former prime minister shinzo abe after the first shot. but, i also have to tell you that as you know, japan is one of the safest countries in the world. and when shinzo abe was speaking at the time, he was giving a speech. a routine -- he was on a campaign trail, for a candidate in elections that are going to be held on sunday. and these are scenes that take place all over japan, in front of a train station, at shopping malls, and every time you go to one of these it is very -- it's a very relaxed affair. there are no metal detectors, it -- you're not seeing a overt police presence, and i think in that sense, it was business as

normal, business as usual in japan. but i there was some details that we got from the police department. they said, his team was not made aware that shinzo abe would be there. until one day before the event. which, he seemed to suggest was a little bit too little time to prepare, possibly. now, in terms of the suspect, we know that he is in police custody. he is saying he had a grudge against an organization. a lot of local media here have been reporting that it may have been a religious organization that he mistakenly thought the prime minister shinzo abe was a part of. but i think at this point, there isn't a lot of finger pointing in japan at the moment. i think instead of that, there is a collective sense of mourning. the candidates today are wearing black ribbons and black armbands. the tokyo tower that you would normally see behind me, an icon here in tokyo has been shut down, blacked out today, to try

and show a sense of respect and the loss for the prime minister. in japan, there's not a lot of finger pointing, but i think as we get into the, on monday, when the wake will be held, and his body was moved back from the western city of nara to his home of tokyo can, his funeral service is scheduled for tuesday. perhaps we will have more clarity into what kind of security lacks, specifically, happened on this tragic day on friday. >> yes, so tragic, so shocking as well. one quick question though. the extent to which the suspects social media profile, statements, that kind of thing, do you know anything about the investigation on that front? that might give us some clarity on what was behind this? >> well, as i say, he says the police investigating him have said that he seems to have had a grudge against an

organization, which local media say perhaps was religious. and that involved his family members as well. we don't know anything beyond that. the brother of the slain former prime minister said he used to work, and used to be in the military. in the marines. so, according to the defense ministry, if you were in such a unit, you may have had some limited training with firearms. but as you pointed out, these are homemade guns made of metal and wood, and they found these key in his home as well. so, we don't really have a specific profile of the suspect. at this point, there is not a whole lot of detail beyond that. >> okay, but we do thank you for sharing what you do know. from tokyo, thank you so much. coming, next on a margin sea landing that might make your jaw drop. might make your might make your jaw a.

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we are giving you a look at the manifestation of abortion rights activists. it is a national day of protest. they are protesting, they are loud and proud. they're right outside of the white house. you can see them to the right of your screen. that is lafayette square. they had promised to make their voices heard. again, in this taking place in cities across the country. there is no letup. in fact, since we began covering this earlier this hour, it seems that the group has only grown in size. i am sure that president biden, who is at home in delaware, he is taking note of all of this. again, this is one of many activist protests that is happening outside specific places in big cities across this country. again, there's a look at it right there. that is the abortion protest in d.c., lafayette square, this is across from the white house. it is a huge protest. we are looking at this on msnbc. we get some reaction. we are seeing counter

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some new footage from a documentary -- this gives you a look at president trump and his family. they testified before the january six committee. they turned over 11 hours of footage for his docuseries, it all the trump family ahead of and in the aftermath of the 2020 election. there is a new trailer for the documentary that debuts tomorrow. >> he is an unconventional person. >> he believed everything he is doing is right. >> he is a top republican. they have to fight back. >> what do you know about -- >> yeah. >> joining me now is a political reporter for the rolling stone. nikki, big welcome to you. tell me what you know about alex and what exactly does docuseries attends to show. >> thank you.

alex holder was a very unknown local documentarian. he was operating out of great britain. i think that was initially what appeal to him about the trump family. we know that this documentary was coordinated directly with the trump family. reports were indicated that close advisers along the campaign did not know that this project was in the works. i think what alex was trying to show was what this family was really about from their own perspective. it is about how they have gotten to this place, how the dynamics of these three children who were vying for the attention of a father who really wanted to build a dynastic family, it shows what those dynamics were like. one of the reasons that the trump family is so willing to work with them, he was not from the united states, he did not come from an established political background here in the country. i think that the trump family honestly believe that he would be documenting their victory lap, the repeat of 2016.

>> that is interesting. do you have any intel on how it all came together? were there any challenges in putting this together? >> in my conversations with holder, he has indicated to me that the biggest challenge was filming through covid. they needed to get back to the united states. it was a pretty long delay before they were able to start filming. by the time they did start, the trump family is in the middle of this reelection campaign. they are dealing with covid, dealing with the presidents diagnosis of covid. alex was with them throughout the election. she filmed with them after january six as well. she followed them in the months leading up to the election and in the aftermath. >> interesting. to that and, there is a recent article that i read. you are the author. you say that alex holder revealed he has two more guards for protection. what more can you tell us about

the security detail? what does it mean? >> yeah, absolutely. the bigger issue to remember here is that we do have reports. it is not just from hold, or plot from other witnesses to the committee. lawmakers sitting on the committee say that they are receiving threats. people are concerned about their safety, there are concerns about loyalists and former presidents pressuring witnesses to not testify. that might exclude things from testimony. i think, originally, the security detail was a preemptive measure to ensure that once it was announced that holder had been subpoenaed by the committee, he was protected. now we do know that he has received threats. >> what is the likelihood of him taking pardon of the public hearings? >> that is on the table. we know that alex and his team are fairly committed to cooperating anyway they can.

we -- there is a lot on the production like this takes place. we don't know what holder gave to the committee that did not make it into the documentary. there is also the idea that holder and his clue crew were present around the campaign. they were standing around when conversations were happening. there were things that were not necessarily caught on film that holder and his team could testify to. we don't yet know if he is testifying publicly. it is definitely not off the table. >> okay. nikki, it is a great article. great perspective that you offer there. for all of you, you mentioned that it is three parts. all three parts, i'm told, they drop simultaneously. there are dropping at 4 am at discovery plus. a lot of people are gonna be tuning in to record that. thank you so much for your time. meanwhile, the protests and questions that remain after akron police shot a man 90 times. they killed him. a man 90 times. they killed him. they killed him.

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suggest that police officers and akron, ohio may not have pursued or shot jayland walker if they had followed state guidelines that prohibited or discouraged car chases when the suspect is easily identifiable. he was killed 12 days ago after a police chase. officials say that eight officers fired more than 90 rounds. walker's body was riddled with

more than 60 bullet holes. joining me now is bobby cielo, the attorney for the family of jalen walker. we want to show you some body cam footage. we must warn you that some of the images are graphic and disturbing. on the heels of that, bobby, welcome. before we get to the police chase, tell me where the investigation stands right now. what have you learned in the past few days? >> our investigation can't be disclosed. i will give you a general idea. we're working with our investigative team to work with the bottom of what was known by community, what was known by -- we want to know the family knew. we are eager to find out not only what witnesses knew, but we continue to drill down on some questions. we have our own medical examiner. we continue to press forward in the search to justice.

>> walker's sister says that she cannot watch the police body cam video. let's see what she had to say about that. >> that is just not matching the person that i know. he is not into that. that is not him. >> that is not jayland. i can't accept that all. i shouldn't say i don't want to, but i just can't fathom to see any sort of video of him being gunned down that amount of times. he was like target practice. >> wow. bobby, have police and city officials gone on or off the record to try and explain or justify eight officers, 90 shots fired, 60 bullets hitting walker? >> they have. you know, this is precisely what the family needs. the city of akron, we are

calling on you for an apology. we are calling on you to stop trying to justify your actions. you are trying to change the narrative. get away from blaming jail and. this is not going to work. the family is anxious, the community is tense. last night, you saw a four-year-old shot because of the violence that started to erupt in the city. this is the very kind of thing the family has spoken out against. we don't want any more violence or justification for this madness. this was not a proper shooting. the conversation needs to shift away from why jalen was the bad guy. that is the oldest playbook in the game. they are blaming the victim. it is creating the very strife that we want to see and. please, issue the apology. let's get to the next stage of working together to change things with the city of akron. >> got it well to that and. which meant to lead and they're, walker's car had been chased

the night before his. killed but at the active police had followed the state guidelines, could his that have been prevented or they claim, the police claim that a shot was fired during the chase. without the nullify the states guidelines against police chases? >> look, the governor just that, they are guidelines. every police officer i know we'll tell you that we don't follow guidelines, we go into -- matters in an eye towards what we think is the proper arrest procedures. but your precisely correct. the state of ohio needs to be made consistent with respect to chases. there are many cities in the state of ohio that actually do not use chases, and have no choice policy. we are looking forward to you that kind of change in akron. there is no reason to chase. him there who's easily identifiable. and if they had done the right thing, everyone in the city will be much safer for.

it >> walker was unarmed when he got of the car, and started running away. the body cam video was showing it right here and it is very uneasy to watch. it shows police to point ages that him. do you have, bobby, a better understanding of the sequence of events in those seconds right before police opened fire? >> we won't have a kind a minute to minute stopwatch type analysis of those of us until after the. it is the bureau of a criminal investigation for me to the attorney general to earthy ministration. and we are very concerned about the, that the kind of relationships that are there, we will know that the superintendent for bc i was at the chief of police press conference that happened about a week ago last sunday. we are not casting a sturgeon's we just have concerns. we want transparency and we want an independent and thorough investigation. we won't have our hands on that report until it is published. >> yeah, real quick, how she

literally doing? >> thank you for asking. they are great people and they are struggling, they are suffering. yesterday we kicked the casket, and that was a brutal day for them. >> yeah, okay. >> bobby could, shiloh thank you so much for your time. i'm sure we will talk again this is case unfold. meantime, how lucky can you get inside the irs audits of two former fbi directors and just how rare those audits were. ♪ i want to rock and roll all night ♪ applebee's late night. because half off is just more fun. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. how rare those audits were

new questions today surrounding james comey and andrew mccabe asked the new york times is reporting that the two men were chosen for rare and intrusive irs audits. it is a notable similarity, they'll both held leadership positions at the fbi and were both frequent targets of donald trump's ire. joining me now, philip -- national post correspondent and a good friend to. it's good to see you again philip. stop first of all about what the irs says because the irs is vietnam denying that they targeted co-knee and mccabe and

there's an irs spokesperson that came out and said quote, it is ludicrous and untrue to the just that the senior irs official somehow targeted specific individuals for national research program audits. let's talk about the reporting that you have though, about the likelihood of that even happening. statistically when you look at things, what do you make of it? is it some strange coincidence, or is it something else? >> yeah i mean, i think the important thing from the statement you just read is that word specific. so what we are doing here is we are sort of after the fact going back and trying to assess how likely is it that these two particular individuals would be picked up for audits. the answer to that is it is microscopically unlikely. the odds that, if you set out to pick mccabe and kony as getting audits, the odds are really really really low. but the new york times also had a piece by their upshot group which does a lot of graph analysis, which pointed out that there are a lot of people who are targeted by donald trump. there are a lot of people who hurt you know we're disliked by

trump and weren't targeted by audits. so you think about it as a pool of 700 people out of whom to have and you've been audited, then the odds change a bit. i think that they have a valid point. it's very easy for us from the outside to assume that donald trump somehow stuck his finger in things, which isn't really how the federal government works. obviously, donald trump did a lot of things when he was president. the odds of it are very very small but they are not zero. >> if it wasn't just a coincidence, and again, big if. and the irs as it wasn't. how gorgeous would that be? >> oh, massively. you know, the irs is an agency that has the ability to make peoples lives difficult in and entirely legal way. that is the entire point. nobody wants to be audited for a variety of re-seasons, it's very painful, it can lead to serious repercussions. it is a way to, if this were a process by which a politician could influence the process, you can put pressure on people you didn't like varies ali without having to go through subpoena or anything like that. so it would be a big problem. >> yeah, huge.

let me ask you about another call me wrote this week in this one about british prime minister boris johnson, his resignation, it is titled why britain's pressure democratic collapse isn't comparable to ours. in johnson, he has always been compared to donald trump, but when you look at how donald trump dealt various scandals in which the election laws, what do you make of how differently these two head of the situations. >> so, johnson absolutely tried to stay in power beyond when people wanted him to be there. i think that is pretty clear. but there are a couple of differences. one was that his party didn't stand behind him. i think that is in part because of how the process works. it's not that he just ran for prime minister, just because of how the british system works. it's not as if he built a huge bases of support himself personally that he was unable to leverage in politics with donald trump did. i think to that the institutions of england are healthier than ours. it had been the case as it was here for years the republican party and the politician conservative media had stood behind donald trump and had his back and even when he was saying things that were lies,

constantly they're sitting behind him. that wasn't the same process that happened in britain over the course of boris johnson's tenure. so a lot of reasons that what happened there is different than here. but i think it should be seen as a warning for britain that they were relying a lot on sort of norms of behavior, the johnson didn't care as much about, and unless they affirm the data fixes norms a little bit more concretely, they could be more trouble next. i'm >> okay, he's a caretaker prime minister until october. we are going to leave. thank you so much philip bomb, and that's gonna do it for me on this edition for alex witt reports, i'll see you tomorrow at noon eastern. meantime, my friend yasmin use of being continues or. of being continues or. coverage friend of being continues or. cibinqo - now fda approved 100% steroid free not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults of being continues or. nfections,

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