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fragile democracy takes us to wisconsin, or a conservative majority supreme court just made it harder for its own citizens to vote, in a move that just happens to align quite nicely with the agenda of a certain twice impeached former president. and the velshi banned book club is in session, with a historical fiction title for younger adults, that has gotten parent so out of that it was the subject of a viral video, of an angry mom calling for its removal. velshi starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning, i am ali velshi. it is sunday, july 11th, 18 months and five days since a group of anti-american insurrectionists attacked the united states capitol in an attempt to overthrow the government and destroy american democracy in the name of a former president. mind you, that attempt is still ongoing in other ways. more on that later in the show. but luckily for america, the january 6th select committee

continues its vital work in investigating that insurrection. and this morning, we are getting a first view of some of the potential evidence that the select committee has seen via a new, multi part documentary called unprecedented, which captures footage of the field for a president, his family and his minions before, during and after the election, and the attack. and yes, there was a film crew invited to document the attempted overthrow of the u.s. government. the footage, and by that i mean all that was shot, not just what was used for unprecedented, was subpoenaed last month by the select committee. all three parts of unprecedented were released, just hours ago, at 4 am eastern time on discovery plus. and there is a lot to unpack. here is one of the many notable moments. >> can we talk for a minute on

january 6th? >> yes. >> well, it was a sad day. but it was a day where there was great anger in our country. people went to washington, primarily because they were angry with an election that they think was rigged. a very small portion, as you know, went down to the capitol. a very small portion of them were men. but i will tell you, but they were angry from the standpoint of what happened in the election, and because they are smart, they see, they saw what happened and i believe that was a big part of what happened on january 6th. >> he said before, you did not want to talk about the capitol? >> yes, let's tape the sixth. >> when you are telling people that a presidential election is being stolen, you cannot be shocked when people believe you,

and then become violent. >> as i mentioned, the select committee obtained the unprecedented footage of via subpoena, the tool also used to attend a testimony from one of the most sought after and vital witnesses to date, someone who is not only in the room, but part of the conversation, the former white house counsel baloney. the exact details of her closed-door testimony has not been publicly released, however, a source familiar with the first part of his testimony, told msnbc news that he was a quote, cooperative witness and the people familiar with the test until the new york times that cipollone, was asked detailed questions about pardons, false election fraud claims and the former presidents pressure campaign against vice president mike pence. those people also tell the times that the select committee's questioning focused mainly on cipollone the use of the events on january 6th, and january, did not ask about his views on other witnesses

accounts, and did not press him to either cooperate or contradict some specific details from testimony from cassidy hutchison. among other things us tuesday, hutchison testify that cipollone helps all the insurrectionist former president from physically joining the people invading the u.s. capital in his name. at 10 am eastern, this coming tuesday, the january 6th select committee will gavel in the start of the second public airing, dubbed, marshaling the mob by some committee members. representative jimmy raskin says they will focus on the connections, links, conversations and even coordination between the former president, his team and the far right white national extremist militia groups that participated in the attack. with representative stephanie murphy adding, it will examine how the former presidents pressure merges with the physical violence that was carried out in his name. the hearing is expected to include detailed descriptions, and dives into some of these groups, including the proud boys, and the oath keepers,

both of which were central players in the attack, they include among their members, people who have pled guilty to conspiracy and seditious conspiracy. so far, the doj says that 855 people have been arrested for participating in the attacks. 90 of whom are charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon, or causing serious bodily injury to an officer. 280 have been charged with obstructing, influencing or impeding an official proceeding. in this case, the certifying of the results of the election. about 50 people have been charged with conspiracy, three of whom who have pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy. more than 350 unidentified people accused of participating in the attack remain at large, including more than 250 who are accused of assaulting police officers. now joining me is a justice reporter for msnbc news digital. ryan, thank you being with us this morning. what do you make on the

combination of the reporting we are getting but pat cipollone's testimony on friday, and we are expecting to hear from the committee, both on tuesday and on thursday this coming week? what, how does this all dovetail? how much more will be no one week from now, do you think? >> yes, i mean, i think the committee has a lot of evidence over here that they will lay out. we will see a lot more about the oath keepers the overlap that they have with the white house. you know, there are a lot of connections between these extremist groups and also, they are in the same realm, there are not many degrees of separation between donald trump and the head of the oath keepers, or donald trump and the head of the proud boys. they have a lot of meat shovels in common. i think that we will hear about these communications, you might hear some more about roger stone, an important link between that world and, trump world, and the work of the individuals of the u.s. capitol. you saw that clip earlier. it was interesting for me to hear the president praise the intelligence of the individuals

who stormed the capitol. by our mission, some of these who stormed the capitol were not very smart. some thought they were in the white house when they stormed the capitol, they got the entire branch of government wrong. several said they did not know in the electoral college certification was. these are the people who admitted that they were not very intelligent and did not know they were doing, in many cases, the court cases, court case after court case, here you have the president of the united states praising their intelligence, pretending they were the smartest people in the room. >> so there's a bit of a division,? right there is that large group, the large mob which was following the basis of their emotions. and then, some people the government took very seriously, who are in that group. particularly the oath keepers, and that group, many of whom have been charged with seditious conspiracy, and what we are hearing is that on tuesday, we will hear more about the specific roles that some of them played. >> that is right. the specific rules will be really interesting.

the committee will interview a lot of people, they talked to a number of people familiar with the oath keepers. there's reporting out there that the person who will testify, is a former member of the oath keepers, who actually had stewart rhodes live with him for a while, has connections to the group, and he will present sort of an overview of the organization at large. i think that those connections and you, know remember that there are these legal efforts, this time between the election and january six who overturned the election, and we saw that crack in the group come out of that. and a lot of those individuals have a lot of connections to the oath keepers. subsequently, we had some fundraising which was done in the aftermath of january 6th, for a lot of these defendants, who stormed the capitol by those very same individuals who had been trying to legally overturn the election in those few months between the election and january 6th. so there's just a ton of overlap over here.

i am really, really interested to see what the committee turned up. there is as one call on january six, that always takes out to me. we heard testimony about the individuals in the oath keepers who said that he was in the room with stewart rhodes, in his hotel suite when he was making a desperate call, trying to get through to donald trump. we do not know that intermediary wise, exactly who he was, that connection with donald trump, but of the committee could shine some light on that, the doj could shine a light on that, that will be really interesting. >> stewart rhodes, obviously the leader of the oath keepers, the guy that you saw pictures of, who has the eye patch over his eye. ryan, thank you very much. as always, we look forward to talking to you in getting more of your analysis on this, as you have been following very, very closely. ryan reilly, a justice reporter for msnbc news digital. coming up on velshi, what to expect in the upcoming january six public hearings. plus, another major clip from the documentary unprecedented, which was released hours ago. and later this hour, buy by boris. the prime minister resigns

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documentary on -- release just hours ago on disney plus. -- including footage that was not in the documentary, but all that was shot. joining me now sean boyd. he's a former cia investigator for the january six select committee, and a former u.s. attorney from history's western district. he is also a u.s. senate candidate in that state. good to see things, for being with us this morning. >> i'm happy to be with you, thank you so much. we >> spoke a few days ago. since then, a few things have happened. pledge only has testified before the committee, or is giving an interview that was transcribed in videotapes. we've a little bit of information about it, not a ton. what we've heard is that he didn't contradict prior testimony, particularly by cassidy hutchison. we also heard that he wasn't necessarily pressed to contradict or come from that's has to money. they got some more information out of him. now we know we've got more

testimony on tuesday, and more information about the connection between trump world and the oath keepers, the proud boys. where do you think we are compared to where we were a week ago? >> i think the committee continues to make progress. every hearing that they've had so far has been revealing new information. i expect that to be the same with the committee hearing coming up on tuesday. i think we'll hear some new information. i would not be surprised at all if we see some clips from the supplementary deposition. i'm sure you get some new information he was able to share. i think it's good news for the committee that he did not contradicts his powerful testimony. >> tell me what you think happens on tuesday. we've had some management of expectations by members of the committee, including jamie raskin who is saying, don't expect an entirely straight line between trump and his allies, and the oath keepers. the three percenters. you're going to get some sense

of the fact that what trump did, whether it was his actions or his inaction over that 187 minutes contributed to the outcome. it's sort of parallel things that were going on in the convergence between them as opposed to the connection between them. give me a little clarity on that. >> yeah, i think that's right. i don't have any reason to expect that there is going to be direct evidence shown that the oath keepers of the proud boys were directly in contact with donald trump. certainly, donald trump had to have been aware of the existence of groups like this. they were extremists to were following his orders. he nevertheless went out on january six, shortly before the joint session of congress, and was really inflammatory rhetoric that i think directly contributed to the attack on the capitol. i think you see at least that and the hearing on tuesday. >> i want to ask you about something you said last week when you are talking about it. you said that the focus has been, so far, a lot on donald trump for obvious reasons. by taking a broader view,

including the oath keepers and the proud boys, americans who are going to get a better understanding of some of the causes of what happened on january 6th. one of the things the committee has often said is that admission to the culpability, which is what's so many people who are watching this want addressed, they want to understand the causes in the ways in which it can be prevented in the future. >> yeah, i think that's absolutely right. this is not an impeachment hearing. this is not just about donald trump. obviously donald trump plays a huge role and what happened on january six, here's a lot of responsibility for what happened on january 6th. that's why you've heard a lot about his actions, and inactions, leading up to january six in on january six. the hearings are about more than that. there are about understanding how this tragedy of january six came about, and trying to make sure it didn't happen again. they will be looking at the existence of groups like the proud boys, the oath keepers, and perhaps the three percenters. these groups that were directly involved in i think what they

were planning, and then executing an attack on the capitol. people have to understand what rules they had. i think you might hear about the role that social media had, not necessarily intentionally but perhaps through their algorithms alluding to greater attention to extremist rhetoric. some of these underlying causes that donald trump was able to really exploit that contributed to the attack on january six. >> let's talk about sarah matthews, the former white house press secretary. we're going to hear from her this week. a lot of people before, who they knew cassidy hutchison was wouldn't have known that listening to her would have been as compelling as it would've been. they did know who she was as a character. that's the same thing with a lot of people serum at these. you do know who she is because you are part of the team that first investigated and heard from her. who is she and why do we want to hear from her? >> well sarah matthews was a decade terry -- >> she was very young but had

an important role within the west wing of the white house. she was very close by and was just a lot of what happened. i wouldn't expect anything as explosive as what we heard from cassidy hutchison. it would be hard to match that. i do think that sarah matthews would be a very credible witness. if you talk about what she saw, and what she heard on january 6th, and why she was so concerned about what happened. >> john, thank you so much for joining us. again, we appreciate it. john wood is the former january six senior investigator. a former united states attorney from missouri's western district. he's a candidate for the united states senate and missouri. well the gop's ongoing democratic crusade against voting got a major boost on friday with one of the states supreme courts making it harder for citizens to conduct their basic civic duty, voting. this is what has been called a slap in the face of democracy itself. n called a n called a slap in the face i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool.

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it's a long held tradition in this country, and fact, the absentee voting system has been in place since as far back as the civil war and 18 hundreds. in fact, take a look at these images. these are american soldiers learning about absentee ballots while stationed in the united states and korea and the 1940s and 50s. as long been available to the military. some states have had it in place for some time. the popularity and availability of that absentee voting exploded in 2020 because of the pandemic. people didn't want to go to public places like polling booths. more than 40%, 40%, to voters nationwide submitted mail ballots. this is an unmitigated success. there is no way to look at this except good. more people were able to vote because they were able to vote in the comfort of their own home. however, access to free and fair elections just got a lot tougher to come by in wisconsin. on friday, the wisconsin

supreme court banned the use of most ballot drop boxes and a 4 to 3 conservative majority ruling. and delivering the verdict, the court called the receptacles, quote, unlawful, because they were not specifically authorized by the states legislature. this is currently controlled by republicans who have no interest in expanding the access to voting. they also ruled that only the legislature has the power to enact laws and implement policy regarding these absentee ballot drop boxes, and not the bipartisan wisconsin election commission that oversees elections in the state. voting by mail has become incredibly popular across the country and in wisconsin in particular. the drop boxes were key to that success in 2020. remember, whoever wins, that's not actually the success of an election that people go out and vote is the measure of success in an election. in milwaukee, for example, officials say that more than half of the people who voted by mail in 2020 used dropbox as.

if you're out there wondering, who could possibly gain from making it harder to vote and wisconsin? look no further than the former presidents take on this particular ruling. in a post on his fledgling, not that robust, social media site, truth social, trump out this yesterday. others lights are looking at, sorry, other states are looking at and studying the amazing wisconsin supreme court decision declaring ballot boxes illegal. that decision includes the 2020 presidential elections beaker robin boss, he has a decision to make. does he reclaim the electors, turn over the election to the actual winner, and parentheses, by a lot? or sit back and do nothing as our country continues to go to hell. brave american patriots already have a resolution on the floor.

exclamation mark, because of donald trump post. to be clear, donald trump is still asking for the course to somehow overturn the results of the 2020 election, which he lost. the former president spent weeks in the run up to the election spenny lies about absentee and mail-in voting, lies that he continued to spread after he lost the election and continues to spread today despite never having produced a shred of evidence. despite having lost at least six the one legal challenges to the presidential election results, including at the supreme court. for more on this, i'm joined by ben vic glare, the chair of the wisconsin's democratic party. i typically wouldn't think of getting the chair of the wisconsin democratic party because you have a dog in this fight, however you and i have talked often about just fairness. your view is at the wisconsin democratic party is to get more people registered about. you understand that the consequences are getting more people to vote is that maybe a

win some, maybe a loose some. you agree with the premise that the more people that register and vote the greater. >> absolutely. it is a fundamental conviction, that anyone eligible to vote should be able to successfully cast a ballot. and we defend everyone's right to vote. the thing that is so profoundly shocking and infuriating about this decision is that wisconsin has had drop boxes for decades. mostly, historically in rural areas where clerks might only work a few hours a week. there's a drop box people can drop off bills or their absentee ballots. it is only when democrats started to use them -- dropbox in significant numbers, know that milwaukee is our biggest city, the only city where the majority of people of color, suddenly it was wisconsin's gop, the trump campaign and other republican majority and the supreme court took dead aim, trying to knock out this safe and secure option for people to vote. they could not get enough votes. they decided the problem was

who could vote. now we are in a battle for democracy itself. >> yes, now look, the ruling in of the supreme court says it was unlawful because it had not been determined by the legislature. tell me about the legality of that. is this true? does the bipartisan election commission have the ability under the law to figure out ways to make people vote? or is this a perverse ruling by the court? >> but the bipartisan elections commission oversees the rules, what is called rulemaking authority. what happens is the legislator set the broad parameters, the wisconsin election commission, within the parameters set by the legislator authorizes voting procedures, and the republican party was absolutely fine with drop boxes until they lost. robin vos, our extremely radical right-wing republican assembly speaker, he sent out a big mouth, talking about how safe and secure drop boxes, when he was appointing something else that local

clerks could authorize, which was to send staff out with secure bags to be able to collect ballots. all of that is totally legal, done under the guidelines of again, our bipartisan wisconsin elections commission, and republicans changed the goalposts every time they find that they could not win under the old rules. they try to wreck to actually do it, a civil war in the republican party now in wisconsin, is to see whether they can go back in time and decertify the 2020 election, or focus on suppressing and stealing, overturning their way to winning in the 2024 election. and by the way, none of that has to do with anything that voters care about in their own lives, like bringing down costs, protecting public safety by ending gun violence. i've >> never met a voter who does not want it to be easier to vote, right? there are a lot of places in america where it is not hard to vote at all, but if you could make it easier, i would definitely sign up for that. >> yes. voters like to be able to vote, it is pretty simple. it is an attack on our freedom, it's what we see from the u.s.

supreme court with the attack on access to abortion care, it's what we see in wisconsin. it is what we see coming down the pipe with what republicans are talking about, there are republicans running for governor here, like rebecca clay fish, tim michaels. they want a total and complete ban on abortion with no exceptions. there is a republican bill in our state legislator that would allow people to bring loaded guns onto school grounds, in their cars. because in the debate, republicans said people are sitting ducks when they pick up or drop off kids in their cars if they are not allowed to bring a loaded firearm. this is the kind of stuff that the republican party wants to push. and it is so radical and extreme, but on one hand it is dangerous and shocking. on the other hand, it means that they are beatable. that none of this is remotely popular with the general public. and for democrats like tony evers, folks running to defeat johnson, we have a lot to run on this. a common sense, pragmatic approach to actually helping people, versus a republican party which is trying to undercut democracy itself, to

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>> since the overturning of roe v. wade, rebecca police out estimates artemis and it calls for more than 50 women a day. they are often worried of the status of embryos they have already created in their home states, and the possibility of new laws. >> they are very, very stressed out as it is, just going through fertility treatments. they don't need this on top of this. >> now, boston ivf is one of several clinics helping patients move embryos. for about $500, the clinical use a courier to transfer the tissues of women in states with restrictive abortion laws to over here, in massachusetts. because ivf is expensive, and rates of success very, patients usually try to increase their chances by creating more embryos than they planned to use. and that is where antiabortion advocates take issue. >> do you think fertility doctors in the united states are fertilizing too many eggs? >> absolutely. oftentimes, people destroy those embryos. those are little human beings, just waiting for implantation. >> if lawmakers define embryos

as people, then the testing, storage and sometimes destruction of those tissues could create legal issues for the work done in ivf labs. >> what has been on your mind? >> you know, we struggled. we lost a lot of our embryos. >> couples like melissa and jennifer foley, also experienced miscarriages and abortions in the process of trying to have a healthy baby through ivf. >> we did have that happen, our first pregnancy. our second pregnancy, a ten-week miscarriage. then, i was not able to fully miscarry. >> some states new abortion restrictions in place say they are not targeting ivf, patients like similar valdes in florida worry new laws brandon embryo the rights of the person. >> this is definitely making me want to move faster and make a decision sooner rather than later. >> doctor david reilly wants to give women like samira another option. >> the government has no right, in my opinion, in boston ivf's opinion, to control how those embryos will be utilized.

they belong to the parents, and we are scared that right is being taken away. >> last year, a group of republicans in congress introduced a federal bill that would change the definition of a person. should a lot like this on the federal or state level be enacted, the ivf process i gave the full leaves their family of five could become a thing of the past. antonia hilton, nbc news, waltham, massachusetts. >> all right, coming up next, my data, my choice. president biden has signed an executive order, attempting to safeguard privacy and abortion rights. but much more needs to be done to stop tech companies from passing a law, taking william was personal reproductive health information, which some prosecutors might want to use against you. prosecutors might want

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questions, using the maps app to find an abortion clinic, or even using paypal or venmo to make abortion related purchases, that does not mean paying for an abortion, but purchases related to it, could force you to engage in a system that is tracking, selling and storing your data faster than you can even say data privacy. and that data can in certain instances be used against you in a court if in some states, new laws or new technologies are put into place immediately. president biden signed an executive order on friday aimed at protecting access to abortion medication and patient privacy, in response to the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade. this includes addressing the transfer and sales of sensitive health related data, combatting digital surveillance related to reproductive health care services and protecting people seeking reproductive health care from inaccurate information, fraudulent schemes or deceptive tracking systems. if you are still wondering why

this is important, more than 1300 women have been investigated, detained or arrested for their pregnancy outcomes since 2006, according to national advocates for pregnant women. and this is all before roe fell. join me onset my good friend and nbc news technology correspondent jacob ward. he's the author of an amazing and important book called the loop, how technology is creating a world without choices and how to fight back. and i have been dying to talk to you about this, since this happened. because some of this is inadvertent, but one thing you must remember is despite all of the ways in which your phone is secure, when you are but convicted of a crime, and the information is subpoenaed, from certain tech companies, most of the time they have that information, they handed over. >> first of all, great to see you. it's so wonderful to be here, and as much as you will be asking me questions, man, do i want to know what you think of some of this. hopefully this goes both ways.

to this question, yes. can technology be used against you in a court of law? absolutely. and companies are regularly asked, companies like google, meta, twitter, are regularly helping law enforcement for information on specific users, people who are accused of a crime, and under subpoena power, they can get that. not only that, when you are arrested for a crime, one of the first things lot enforcement tends to do is they try to get your phone. they try to get into the content of your phone. and the supreme court has held that you do not have to say yes, you can look into my phone, if they can get that phone up in front of you for facial i.d., right? they get unlocked using your face, or get your thumb on to, it unlocked that way. at that point, is considered carte blanche, the phone is open and ready to rock. and as experts have been telling us, because this is the thing, when the first decision left, okay, we have to think about the ramifications of this, we know technologies are using other kinds of crime investigations, so it will happen over here?

the experts we talked to said, you know what? not only is this going to be the same thing, but the truth is, you ask your questions, it was private questions, inside your phone. questions he would ever ask your questions, you might not even ask you doctor. you might type in a search query on google, or look up an address that you might never say out loud. so from the very beginning of the dobbs leak, it was clear to those experts we spoke to, security experts, health experts that this was going to be a huge issue, that phones, and that things that we do will undoubtedly come into play, if and now when roe v. wade falls. >> in most cases, people who go around, not committing crimes, have not taken this seriously saying, but the fbi will never subpoena me, i'm not involved in criminal activity. except now in some states, you are for some very basic things, that you thought was actually health care, that he thought

was legal. i don't know the examples of what is going on right now, but there's been some pretty aggressive attorney general and sheriffs around this country who say, we will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law people involved in the sharing of information around abortions, or provision of abortions. >> that is right. and in our case, especially with technology, as me and my team do, it is complicated. you don't know, are we in the business here of forecasting a hypothetical threat, that the legal and technological landscape makes possible, or do we wait until something has happened, and then think about that in retrospect? in this case, we started to think, we just decided, so many people were telling us, if you look at the laws, while the technology makes possible, you can see the pathways over here. so in this case, you always hear from people, while i have done nothing wrong. so why should i worry about a company surveilling me through my phone, or whatever it is? even perhaps the authorities, searching through my phone.

but now, i don't think that they understood that in a state like texas right now, you have civilians incentivized by a monetary award from the state, to be bounty hunters and find out whether someone is intending to cross state lines for an abortion, or pursue an abortion in another state. in that case, you could look up abortion services for your niece, or your mom, who knows who it could be, suddenly your device could become part of an evidence pattern, that might not establish what or where you did something, but be in that frame of mind, that a motive of intent was there. that's what they keep telling us. the phone is a look into your soul, according to prosecutors. you mentioned this number, 1300 women have been arrested or detained since 2006. what we also know it's about two dozen prosecutions had actually resulted. and this was before roe v. wade fell. some of the most famous,

purview patel in 2015 was prosecuted, basically on a fetus side charges in the state of indiana, and a huge part of the prosecution's case rested on the idea of text messaging, texting she had done with friends talking about services she might need. in 2017, we saw this form, battiste fischer who had a stillbirth through six weeks, was pursued by an aggressive prosecutor who decides the charge her with second-degree murder. he used google search queries about her, search queries about abortion, to charge her with having somehow procured abortion pills and killed, the fetus was aborted by her. it was not, that it was just a stillbirth. we have seen these cases from aggressive prosecutors, going after people even before, even when, the when it was enshrined by federal law, and people have been doing it then. so that's worth taking a look at. >> we will continue to take a hard look at. that i want to understand who is doing things, and let our

viewers know what is safe to use. are there tips, families, friends. thank you for, that we have not met in person since your book was released, but it really, really important book. i hope people read it for the years that he spent gathering that information. >> thank you so much for having me! >> nice to see you, friend. jacob ward is a nbc technology correspondent, and author of the book the loop, how the world is -- creating a word choices and how to fight back. this number of parallels between prime minister boris johnson an ex american president donald trump, from the brush political styles, to their brash hairstyles. and now, another comparison. they'll both be remembered for leaving office in this case. republican pollster -- will join me next to talk about what trump should take away from boris johnson's exit, or what republicans to take away. om boris johnson's exit, ♪♪ where your dad waited for his dad to come home from the factory. is this where they gathered on their front steps,

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remembered for his reverent style, brash populism and even if the tories sleet disheveled hairdo. but boris johnson is currently best known for resigning from his post in disgrace. for the string of scandals that preceded his resignation announcement this week, for being an isolationist idealogue, and for a less than stellar leadership during the pandemic which put his own life in danger. that is kind of like someone else we know. but boris johnson's political and finally came at the hands of his own party. last thursday, he announced he would be stepping down once a successor was chosen, following more than 50 members of his government resigning in an effort to push him out. they were reacting to just the latest scandal involving johnson, an official story about how he handled sexual misconduct allegations against a senior member of his government. my next guest says what happened to johnson should be a wake up call to former president donald trump. because sometimes, even your supporters say enough is enough. joining me now is franklin's,

our famous political strategist, upholstery was focused much of his work on republican voters. he is also the author of the book, words that work. is not what you say, but what people here. frank, good to see you again. thank you for joining. us i want to start with a tweet that you sent out on july 7th. you said what just happened to boris should be a wake up call to trump. the most popular politician in two decades, completely destroyed in less than 18 months. eventually, even your own supporters say enough. running again is not the answer. so i am curious over here. two things happened. boris johnson supporters have said not enough, it was mainly his supporters in parliament. the equivalent would be members of congress, senior members of the republican party, but has not really happened yet in america? >> no, because the systems are very different. in britain, the only way you can take someone down is through your own party, through mps voting against. you this is what happened with

boris johnson. the key here is that at some point, the senators, at some point the congressman look at their situation and they ask you a question, is this helping or hurting me? is it helping the country, or hurting the country? and i keep hearing rumblings from inside trump's camp, he is considering announcing for president over the lead next few weeks or months. and what i am asking them to consider is what is happening now in the uk. it was utter chaos, politically. it is unclear who will be the next leader. it is unclear whether any of the policies that the conservatives support will be pushed forward. right now, they are involved in such horrific personality conflicts over who will leave the party. now, let's take that to america. donald trump is still the most popular republican. when he gives an endorsement, it still matters. and he is still leading,

nationwide. i look at polling in new hampshire. i recognize the governor of florida, ron desantis is now actually defeating the former president. if you look at the polling in iowa, south carolina, the states that matter. as trump insists on dominating the public perspective, that means that republicans can't talk about inflation, crime, cannot talk about chaos at the border. they can't talk about anything except donald trump. and eventually, some of them will say that this is harmful to us, harmful to the country. enough. and ali, that word is so powerful. enough, exclamation point. we will not talk about the past. we will focus on the future, or the american people want. this is a wake up call for donald trump. even he can be toppled by republicans in the house. >> but he said people need to think about what will help or hurt them, or help or hurt the country? right now those are two

different things for senior republicans. what helps them might be having donald trump on their side. one of the country would not be? >> well, what helps them in a primary is having donald trump on their side. what hurts them in the general election is having trump involved. republicans have had enough of higher prices. republicans have had enough of chaos on the streets. the public wants to return to normalcy and they can't get that if all they are talking about, debating about is donald trump, and what has happened, it is now two years ago, and the public, even republicans are saying, stop looking backwards. you need to look ahead. >> frank, good to see you as always. frank luntz, a political strategist and pollster of the author of words that work. do not go anywhere, there's plenty of murray need to know this sunday morning, straight ahead, latest on the january six investigation, with two days to go into the next select committee public hearing. we will have more to hear from that documentary which was just released hours ago, which is already in the hands of the

january 6th committee. another hour of those she begins right now. of those sh begins right >> good morning to, you combining sunday, to you it's july 10th. 9 am, 90 am in the east i'm we're >> -- getting some more insight into donald trump's mindset in the days leading up to and following the capitol insurrection on january 6th just hours ago the new three-part documentary series, unprecedented, premiered on discovery plus featuring interviews with the former president and his eldest children. >> can we talk for minute about january 6th? >> yeah. he was a sad day but it was a day with great anger in our country.