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from msnbc will tecartus here in new york. welcome everyone to alex reports. we start with major developments in the january six investigation as two hearings are on the docket. this morning, a member of the committee gave msnbc's jeremy todd as a preview of what to expect on tuesday. >> we will lay out the body of evidence that we have that talks about how the president's tweet on the wee hours of december 19th have been a siren call to these folks. we'll talk in detail about what

that caused them to do, how that caused them to organize, as well as who else was amplifying that message. >> it comes as former white house strategist steve bannon is saying that he is willing to testify before the committee after receiving a letter from donald trump waving his executive privilege. we'll have more than just a moment. first, new reaction today from president biden on abortion rights. he's delivering this message to protesters who were outside the white house yesterday demanding more action. >> keep protesting, keep making your point. it's critically important. we can do a lot of things to accommodate the rights of women in the meantime. fundamentally, nothing's going to change this unless we have a national law that reinstates roe v. wade. that's the bottom line. >> also new today, president biden is planning not bad in the washington post titled why i'm going to saudi arabia. this is ahead of his ship there

this week. the president is facing criticism from members of his own party after bowing to make that nation a pariah. joining us now is emma sends more up erin and beach delaware and julie adjuster at the capitol. ladies, welcome to you both. julia, we're going to go to you both. bring us up to date on steve bannon and how this all came about. >> right, alex, let's rewind it to last fall when the house voted to hold steve bannon in contempt of congress. the department of justice charged him with two counts on that. steve bannon argued that he did not have to cooperate with the committee because president trump asserted executive privilege over their interactions. let's fast forward to saturday, which is about a week out from wayne bannon's trial was set to begin and that jury selection would star when president trump sent a letter to ban and saying that he would waive that executive privilege if bannon and the january six committee

came to an agreement for him to testify. bannon's attorney swiftly sent a letter to the chairman bennie thompson reading in part, president trump has decided that it would be in the best interest of the american people to waive executive privilege for stephen k. bannon to allow mr. bannon to comply with the subpoena issued by your committee. mr. bannon is willing to, and indeed prefers, to testify at your public hearing. now that language, willing to preferred to, is important because any cooperation would have to be agreed to any terms between bannon and the january six committee. the prospect of bannon perhaps testifying live on tv might not fly as the committee is intrigued its vital stages of those public hearings with the two expected this week. you heard at the top of your show what representative is stephanie murphy said about what to expect in those hearings this week, but she also kind of hinted it while we might hear from another key

trump aide. pat cipollone, whose testimony was also highly sought after, spoke with a committee for more than eight hours on friday. here's what she said about the committee's interview with him. >> are we going to see much of mr. cipollone's testimony on tuesday? for the first hearing this week? >> we are always receiving new information from a lot of different sources. we are trying to pull the information from what the american people most need to hear. i imagine you'll be hearing things from mr. cipollone, but also from others that were in the white house. the focus on this next hearing will be on the domestic violent extremists, as well as members of the congress. people that the president called and to assist them in this pressure campaign. >> at everything seemed to come to a head in a december 18th meeting that will come of quite a bit this week. the committee members are really focusing on that meeting, which occurred right before president trump tweeted on

december 19th, inviting his supporters to rally at the capitol. the committee is going to kind of lay out the case for how the messaging from the white house regarding january six converged with the actions of those violence, extremist groups such as the proud boys and the oath keepers. alex. >> julia justice from the capital, thank you for that. we go from there now to msnbc's moral baron who is traveling with the president in delaware. we have the president facing more pressure about doing more about abortion rights. how is he responded to that today? >> well alex, you remember that just on friday, not even 48 hours ago, the president is signing an executive order pushing for actions around protect abortion rights. you push for the protection around access to fda approved medication, as well as contraception. he also wants to protect interstate travel so that women

are anyone seeking abortions can travel across state lines as well as protections for patients and data privacy. we saw yesterday that protesters outside the white house, and across the country, are saying that president biden isn't doing enough. ahead of his bike ride, just a few hours ago here and we hope speech, we had a message for those protesters. >> we can do a lot of things to accommodate the rights of women in the meantime. fundamentally, the only thing that's going to change this is if we have a national wall that reinstates roe v. wade. >> one of the things that they're asking for is a public health emergency, is that something you're considering? >> that's something i've asked the folks on the medical people and administration to look at. whether that is i have the authority to do that, or what impact that will have. >> now the president has warned repeatedly if roe v. wade is not codified into law, the

republicans will pass the federal ban on abortion. that's something that he's really trying to avoid. in terms of that public health emergency declaration, that something that we did know the white house is considering. they have reminded that it does not released a ton of legal authority on that fronts. that's why we see this conservative push towards voting in november, alex. >> laura barrett there in delaware, thank you for that. you know, actually, quickly, the saudi arabian issue. i didn't ask you about that. i know it didn't last hour, but again, we are hearing from him in that washington post op-ed, has he made the case, clearly, about the purpose of this trap? >> well the president is facing a lot of criticism about this trap, right, alex? then candidate -- is saying that he wanted to make saudi arabia pariah for the murder of u.s. journalist jamal khashoggi back in 2018. he's facing a lot of criticism

about welcoming to visit with saudi arabia saying that it sends the wrong message. i want to read directly from his op-ed about the goals on the strip. he said that from the start, my aim was to reorient, but not rupture, relations with a country that's been a strategic partner for 80 years. today, saudi arabia has helped to restore unity among the six countries of sculpt cooperation council, has fully supported the truce in yemen and is now working with my experts to help stabilize oil markets with other other opec producers. remember, opec as the organization internationally that regulates oil markets and oil supplies, saudi arabia as the chair of that organization. there's a lot of pressure, obviously, on president biden around the issue of gas prices. it also is writing in that op-ed that relationships with this region in the middle east would help with russian as well as the u.s.'s ability to outcompete china. these are all really important items that the administration has been focusing on.

and terms about weighing the cost benefits, biden says that his stance on human rights remains the same. he'll make that clear on his trip. he does see this trip is something that will help the u.s. going forward, alex. >> i'm glad we asked that question. another time for you, appreciate. that perfect setup i might add because joining us right now is washington congress person, primala jayapal. the member of the judiciary committee. she is also chair of the -- were always welcomed to join you here, by the way, hard at, look at, i like. out it's a girl thing, gonna notice. anyway, laura just a really good job of looking at the bullet points of the presidents op-ed. clearly, the oil prices are a major factor. that's got to be a significant driving factor into why he's going to saudi arabia. what are your thoughts on how he is explained the at the shop at the upcoming trip to saudi arabia? are you comfortable with him going there? comfortable with him meeting the layer leaders to include

crown prince? >> alex, i'm not. excuse me, i'm not. i've said that publicly as well. i don't think that this is a good idea. i think that we are essentially supply maintain human rights at this point with the president going to this business. i don't think that the united states shouldn't have engagement with countries that we disagree with. that's why i think we need to up the presidents involvement in the white house's involvement in getting to a truce in the russia and ukraine war. that, i, think is a very important thing. to have the president go, essentially with what feels like to me a bit of a hat in hand, begging for help on the oil front when we know that the president knows, it has been clear about this during the campaign, that saudi arabia and mbs have committed incredible atrocities, war crimes, with khashoggi.

we know that there hasn't been accountability for that yet. i don't feel like this is the right approach. i think that unless the president is going to be very clear and public, and i hope he is. if he's going to make this trip, then i hope he is going to be very clear in public about what the accountability is going to be for the nation that he said we should make a pariah during the campaign. now she has chained on the khashoggi killing. in fact, we've only gotten more out of this. saudi arabia has part of that. in terms of the truce in yemen, alex, you know that we have a yemen war powers resolution that i'm leading with peter defazio and others in congress. it is a bipartisan resolution. i think that it is important for us to be clear that the saudis have not given us everything we need. there are still children who are dying in yemen. we need to make sure that that is a situation that is also resolved. you know, i'm a little, i just

don't see exactly how the president is going to walk all these lines. i think if you wanted to have diplomatic engagement, it needed to come from a lower level, not for the president himself. >> to your point, i'm looking at this op-ed and he has paragraph biker graph addressing different countries, the issues they are in. did this do anything to blunt your criticism? i mean, he is outlining what his intentions are. i'll grant you, under the guise of mbs, the things that he is talks about, the atrocities there, to your point to put jamal khashoggi, vowing to make the nation a pariah, is the president stuck between a rock and a hard place? i mean, since jamal khashoggi's murder, look at gas prices. that is something the american people want to address. they want some help. they want some relief. >> absolutely. look, i about my criticism of the president because i think on many things, he's done an excellent job. i also believe that we cannot

supplement human rights. on oil prices, i've seen just in the last week that oil prices are starting to come down. here's the thing, we have been clear that the oil companies are continuing to profit. that is what's driving in oil prices along with supply chain issues. i'll grant you that. the reality is, going to a nation who has, who we have serious concerns around human rights, and sort of, i read the article two. i think he laid out whatever case he could lay out. i just don't think it's sufficient to convince us that this trip was necessary. >> julie noted as we turn now to abortion rights with the president signing that executive order friday aiming to protect access to abortion medication. also emergency contraception. as yesterday, as i'm sure you saw, the activists were really president outside of the white house. they were demanding more action with the federal government. how much power does the president's executive order have after the supreme court

decision to overturn roe v. wade? is the biden administration effectively meeting the moment? >> alex, i don't think that president biden is wrong when he says that he is going to do everything he can at the white house, but ultimately, we have to have two more, and i want to be clear on the path here, we now have the president and the at least 48 senators who have said that they are willing to overturn the filibuster or at least in specific cases. for voting rights, and now for codify and roe v. wade. that is the path that we need to have at the end of the day. the presidents executive orders can only go so far. we've been encouraging him to go as far as he can i was glad to see is executive orders yesterday. we do have to recognize that the filibuster, once again, the filibuster has created a vacuum where the supreme court is now jumping in and over re-chain.

this is why we need to do hearings on the supreme court. itself and its overreach. we must consider solutions, including expanding the court. the president is not wrong that we need, ultimately, the real answer here is to codify roe v. wade. that doesn't mean that we're not outraged. it doesn't mean that we try to do everything in our power and that's why we're happy that the white house did sign this executive order yesterday. it is working with the states, but also with the public, to keep up the information on what's happening. to keep up the outrage around this and what it means for women and pregnant people across this country. listen. you have been very open and discussing your own experience, having an abortion for health reasons. but that option is no longer available to some women in the states with those trigger laws. the restrictions have been put in place there. i mean, what is your biggest concern for women that are in the situations? >> that they are going to die, alex. they are going to die.

we are going to see people die across this country because our rights have been taken away to make decisions about our own bodies. and yes, you're right, i'm one in the one in four women across this country who has had an abortion. i know what that meant, how difficult it was, how personal these decisions are, how different all of the situations are. so it is not just about the pregnancy this is a forced birth, alex this is women and pregnant people being forced to carry -- to deliver a child when they economics may not be right, the time may not be right, the medical conditions may not be right, they may be devastating a deadly for both the mother and the child. and so, i think this is not something that can be dictated by the supreme court majority, a radical extremist republican controlled supreme court majority who, by the way, we're

all appointed to the supreme court by a president who did not even win the popular vote. >> yeah. there you have it it's a good point. let me ask you about the committee. it's gearing up for the next hearing on tuesday. it's gonna be focusing on the role that those far-right groups, like, the oath keepers, the proud boys, and the role they played on the attack on the capitol. how direct does the line between these groups and donald trump need to be to show criminal intent by the former president? i'm curious what your expectations are for tuesday? >> i think it is going to be another stunning hearing. i've watched all of them you know i was trapped in the capital until race sixth. they did an incredible job, alex, of really laying out all the pieces for the american people. and tying the threads between all of these different pieces. it is clear, from the last hearing in cassidy hutchison's stunning testimony, and her remarkable courage, which by the way, she testified when

people above her, her bosses, her seniors, they wouldn't come out and say anything public. it's a stunning testimony. donald trump incited the mob. he fueled the mob, with the big lie. he incited them to come to d.c., he knew they were armed. and he knew, there was a coordination at the war room, at the willard hotel, that involves these radical extremist groups like the proud boys and the oath keepers and the white house chief of staff, mark meadows. all of that testimony came out and i think at this hearing on tuesday, i know they're going to focus a lot on the role that these radical extremist groups and of the fact that donald trump wanted them to be there, he was in contact with them and he knew they were armed. in fact, he wanted them to be armed. he wanted them -- he believed mike pence, his vice president, deserve to be hanged. i think this is going to be another set of blocks in a puzzle that increasingly

doesn't have any missing pieces. >> interesting. i know a lot of people will be tuning in, you and me both and many more. washington congresswoman, miss jayapal, thank you so much. good to see you. >> new documentary following donald trump, even on january 6th. and one of the most revealing moments could be what was not said by three of his children. we will show that you. and we will tell you what we've learned from this film hays brown joins me next. we'v learned from this film hay brown joins me next. brown joins me next.

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back the -- the moments leading up to january 6th. the trump white house's reaction to the capitol riots using never before seen interviews with trump, his family and inner circle. >> people went to washington

primarily because they were angry with an election that they think was rigged. a very small portion, as you know, went down to the capitol and then a very small portion of them went in. but i will tell you they were angry from the standpoint of what happened in the election. they are smart, and they see, they saw what happened i believe that was a big part of what happened on january 6th. >> we said before he didn't want to talk about the capitol riots. . >> let's skip sixth. >> ivanka trump also declined to talk about january 6th. >> silence speaking volumes there. let's bring in hayes brown, editor for msnbc daily. hate you, hayes. always good to have you here. give me your reaction to this. i mean, is it telling to you that the trump kids did not want to talk about the storming of the capital? >> yes, because they would be caught between two things they

would have to tell the truth about what happened on january 6th, or they would have to promote their fathers lie about it. either way, it is a lose lose situation for them. either they make their father angry by saying that yes, these were trump supporters who went into the capitol with the intent of trying to stop the transfer of power over to joe biden, or they keep pushing the lie that donald trump, as you can see there, he is still talking at that point that he did this interview about the election as though it was actually rigged. he is refusing to give up that lie. and so, i am not surprised that given the choice between straddling that line, or just saying nothing, that they said nothing. >> we have been hearing about the moments covered in this docuseries for over a year now. but was there anything surprising that you saw, considering it is the first time that we're seeing some of these things from this particular vantage point.

>> a couple of things. one was the fact that, of the interviews that they got with donald trump, he was more upset about his being banned from places like facebook and twitter then about january 6th itself. that's what's surprised me. he would actually frame it that way still, he would say it that way. i also think it was interesting to note how certain they were that they were going to win in november at the time that they were doing these interviews for this documentary. there was no sense of doubt, there was a clear sense that, in the bubble that they were and they were just being told what the president wanted to hear. that you are going to win, there's going to be a blowout against biden, it's all going to be great. >> do you have any sense that the committee it has something rich that it did not expect from this documentary that is going to really substantively aid them in the investigation? >> yes and no if you're expecting a huge bombshell like trump saying that during the

attack on the capitol, yay, good job everyone, go out and get them. that is not what's in this documentary. but i do you think it helps them make the case that they have been putting forward that donald trump continues to lie about the election, despite the fact that everyone incredible around him was trying to tell him that no, this is not the case. he is yet to give up on this fantasy. but that the election was stolen from him? it doesn't help them make their case. does it help them with the investigation? i'm not certain. >> let's switch gears and talk about your latest article for msnbc daily. pat cipollone defended trump through impeachment by january 6th, everything changed. give me your sense, hayes, of how significant it is that he is cooperating in this january six investigation? why do you say he doesn't deserve the same hero treatment that has been deservedly, bestowed on hutchison. >> i believe that because, you know, pat cipollone, during

trump's first impeachment, he was one of the defense council during the senate impeachment trial. it was out there making the case that trump should remain in office. this was an attempt from democrats to not just affect the next election in 2020, but to undo 2016. it is amazing how much can change in a year. from everything we've been hearing, he was one of the people inside the white house who was pushing back into the giuliani's against the sydney powell's the ones who were making the case that you should be taking these extra legal actions, these unconstitutional actions to try to stay in office. but i don't believe he deserves to be revered like someone like hutchison who came forward, testified publicly, was reaping the world win for trump supporters for being brave enough to come out and say's these things. he says it behind closed doors. i understand that there are attorney-client privileges that deal with how the white house is talking to lawyers and congress et cetera. but i think that given the fact

that he was so gung ho about making sure that trump stayed in office during the first impeachment, if trump was convicted and removed and barred from running again back then, if he had not been willing to put that case forward to republican senators, a republican senators had the courage to convict trump for what was clearly impeachable offenses, then we would not have had the january 6th that we did. we would not have had this attack on the capitol, the attack on democracy. that is so true. nestle, what you expect on tuesday for the 16 committee hearing? >> i'm expecting to hear cipollone's testimony woven into that. i expect some of his documentary footage we will biden. i think that, i'm glad that we're focusing on the attack itself at this point. i'm really hoping that whenever we do wrap up these hearings that they will really pull back and show the big picture and how all of these various things aren't connected threads. i get the sense that of putting

together this puzzle, that some, it might be a little hard for people to see the picture in the box until the zoom out again. we're looking forward to them doing that and really putting a pen in the saying, here is how all of these plots were connected. >> okay, has brown, we'll see if you are right. i suspect you are. thank you so much. all of you be sure to watch msnbc for all day coverage of tuesday's hearings, meaty with morning joe at 6 am, and angela jackson after the hearing. you can't watch this during the day, you can watch the recap at 8 pm with rachel maddow and her panel of msnbc host. you will get their insights. it's all there for your tuesday here on msnbc. they are among america's greatest national treasures, in fact, they are irreplaceable. today, they are under direct threat. we have a live report on that, next. they are under direct threat

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the national average is now 4:16 a gallon, that is down more than 30 cents since last week's all-time high. priscilla thompson looks at what's behind the price drop. >> it's an early summer sign of relief. more than a dozen states are seeing some gas stations with prices below $4 a gallon. >> thank you sir. >> masidlale manages a star stop station in houston, texas. >> what did it feel like to change that number from before two or three? >> it actually felt great. when i was doing it, people were hung gain. >> states in the midwest and south are seeing the biggest drop. the lower prices are a welcome surprise for those hitting the road in houston. >> he was doing to pizza delivery, i saw three 89. i'm like, i'm going. here i called my mom and i was like, you need to come over here. it's really cheap right now. >> i believe to get gas for right now, i've been rocking it for as well as they count the last little bit.

>> what is the price drop for most wallets? it's now about four bucks less to fill up your tank that it was about a month ago. >> why is this happening? >> there is an economic slowdown and the lower oil consumption is sending prices lower. >> diesel a senior declined to. >> what does this mean in the larger context of the economy? >> any of the goods you buy the store, groceries, hardware stores, anything, many these goods are shipped with diesel. if the price of diesel is also helping you to essentially pay less for those goods, or will down the road. >> many grateful for the safe gains and hoping for more. >> if they can make it $2, that be great. >> experts say prices could go down another 5 to 10 cents per gallon over the next week or so, but it is hurricane season and demand for fuel during the last shuttle disasters could drive prices higher. >> that is something to think about, thank you so much. msnbc's priscilla thompson

reported houston. update for you this breaking news from california where firefighters are racing against time as they struggle to contain a massive wildfire at yosemite, national park. hundreds have been evacuated, that fire is burning out of control and it is also threatening one of america's natural treasures. the famed giant sequoia trees. and then sends cal perry join us once again from outside yosemite. how dire of a threat is this, can you put it in perspective? >> well we've see dire threats in the past year, so in the last 2 to 3 years, 20% of the sequoia trees have been lost. to give you an idea. that's a fifth of all of the sequoia trees lost and just the last two or three years, which is really a climate story. it's getting hotter here, faster than it is anywhere else in the continental u.s.. that is why firefighters are dealing with as well. they're dealing with fires that burned hotter, and burn faster. i had a chance to talk about exactly this with a forced biologist yesterday on the fire line. take a listen to what he said about the climate and the

conditions. >> the climate is making that fire season longer, is making it harder. it's making firefighters exhausted, you know, we've been fighting fires for months already this july. we still have many months to go. no it's a 300 firefighters now on scene working with the fire that has burned to 1600 acres and 1500 people are evacuating, as you mentioned, from nearby communities. it's not clear how many of those folks are able to get back to their -- officials think that they do have a handle on it when it comes to many of the sequoia trees in the past we've had to actually grabbed the trees that hasn't happened yet though, it is something that will certainly keep an eye out. >> we thank you for doing so. i hate to see those fires. one 82 million of the new york times say that those are the

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the internal revenue services were exhaust the tax audits of two of trump's foes are now heading to an internal watchdog for review. it's up to the treasury department's inspector general to investigate whether trump's opinions of former fbi director james comey and his deputy are pleading to the irs's decision -- >> comey was very unpopular with most people. he's a show about, he's a grandstander. why didn't call me complain? why didn't mueller investigate comey? >> you accuse your adversaries of treason, who specifically are you accused in of treason? >> you look at comey, if you look at mccabe. >> donald trump denies that he

had any knowledge of the audits, in a statement the irs said, the agency has strong safeguards in place to protect the exam process and against politically motivated audits. it's ludicrous and untrue to suggest that senior high or assaulted shull somehow targeted specific individuals for national research program audits. >> joining me now is coleman, cbc analyst. welcomed, charles. as we get to the stats here, only a few thousand text players are at -- of the hundred 50 million returns. in your mind, you see this as a coincidence, or is it a cause for concern? if it's a cause for concern, will clip the legal ramifications be if politics plate into these audits? >> well good afternoon, alex, it's always a pleasure to talk with you. i think when you're talking about these type of things, they are not coincidental. we have seen inquiries into people's tax information be

used as political fodder on a number of different levels, especially at the state and local level. we've seen that relatively common practice in terms of someone who is an enemy of the people, if you will, and now all of a sudden there is this information that emerges around them and their taxes. i think-able marilyn mosby and baltimore, and how that's unfolded. unfortunately. at a federal level, when you're talking about the executive, the president of the united states of america, is potentially implementing rare who the iris is collecting audits around, that is an entirely different conversation because of the amount of power that is held by the executive branch of the united states. to the legality of it, the enters into an entirely different realm as there are actual codified federal statutes that do not allow for the president or anyone from the executive branch to essentially lean on the iris with this type of influence. from a legal standpoint, you're talking about someone who is criminally punishable by jail

time up to five years in prison. >> it is extraordinarily. we know, by the way, that former fda director jay oscar hooper huge tax audits to go against his enemies. there has to be fireable's in place for the federal government and the office of the presidency. >> absolutely. i think it's important to understand, particularly in a case like this, where you're talking about both the fbi and the attorney general and the department of justice. if you're talking about these entities, you don't want the executive branch to essentially be able to use to entities that are intended to be impartial, and work on behalf of the american people, as essentially your guard docks, your watchdogs. if they don't do what you like, you can then sort of enact this kind of pressure and punishment upon them. you want these entities to be as independent as possible. that's why for the january 6th hearings we've seen so much conversation about how much pressure trump put on the doj.

if you are trying to -- put pressure on these entities to do your will, or to work at your behest, even as they may not necessarily be doing what it is that you want, and you're going to try to influence there and pressure them by having internal audits come down on them, that is completely inappropriate and is a foul from the notion of legality. >> you mentioned the 16 hearing, let's go there. nbc news has obtained that letter that donald trump sent his former advisor steve bannon. this is when he waives his claims of executive privilege, if bannon is able to reach an agreement with the january six committee on how he testifies. this letter comes just over a week before jury selection is scheduled to begin. bannon's contempt of congress case. lofgren says they have many questions for bannon. give me an idea of why an agreement with the committee could look like, and if testimony by bannon would then

cancel outs contempt sharjah's. >> it is likely that bannon's agreement will be used to say, basically, hey, listen, you can't hold me in contempt of the investigation because i'm testifying in cooperation with the committee ultimately. that's going to be a question that a judge will ultimately decide in terms of making that decision as to whether his cooperation now during the hearings is going to negate or reveal his previous refusal to cooperate's to the point of having contents actually take place. it's hard to say how we're judge would rule over that. if it came in front of them, i think that's ultimately the play that we're playing here. i think this is the thing you have to consider, alex, it doesn't necessarily mean that when he testifies in front of the committee that his testimony is going to be helpful. he still has to -- he also has the information to say, listen, i don't remember, i don't recall. those are things that without savvy and poignant questions, the committee will have to live

with us that's the rocky decides to take. i think that it remains to be seen at this point how much of that testimony will actually be valuable in a way that would ultimately stop his previous refusal to cooperate on the january six committee joined its investigation phase. >> you make a good point, charles coleman. my friend, it's good to see. thank you so much. >> next, snapshots of history. an updated news photographer on her experience a covering january six, and how compressed other major news events that she's covered over the years. >> compresse compresse other major ♪ i've breathed the mountain air, man. ♪ ♪ of travel i've had my share, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪ she's covered overerywhere, man♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪ (woman vo) sailing a great river

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published book, guys that speak. one woman news photographers journey with history makers. joining me now is the book's author, voter journalist christie. kristie, welcome to you. i'm so sad to get into that. as you've spent three decades at the white house. just, first of all, how many photos would you take on a typical day? how many presidential voters do you estimate you've taken in your career? >> well i alex, think you for having me. i it's kind of mind-boggling how many pictures i think i've taken at the u.s. presidents over the years. on a given day, would it be an inauguration, or a, you know, that would certainly be very different than a bill signing type of thing. on an inauguration i would shoot up to 800 some pictures. so, it's -- >> too many to count.

>> 2.5 million images in my archives. >> my goodness. >> not all of them news but i substantial number of them are. >> can you give me maybe five favorite photos and explain why these are special to you? i know our producer tried to get that from you, so i hope i have them sinking up. let me tell me what's stand out. >> whoa one of president bush's second inauguration there, that was very challenging because i had two clients at the time. i was shooting news for the swearing in, but also for the harley davidson was my client also. i had to be into different places at one time right after the swearing in, i get all the way down to freedom plaza for that job. that was quite challenging. certainly, this one here of president bush. he was overlooking the olympic torch running to the white house. that's one of my favorites at

sunrise. that was shortly after september 11th. the surviving family members from the pentagon were the ones who were carrying the torch to run through the white house. there was a poignant moment there. he looked like he was in over his flock. that picture is also another favorite of mine of clinton of bush. this is when they come together with president obama to bring awareness to the earthquake in haiti. this is to raise awareness for what had happened, to raise funds for that. that was a very last minute kind of -- that we got about 11:00 the night before, that the three presidents would-be together. that was really quite wonderful to see, especially because i got to photograph all of them. that was really quite special. >> to that end, really quickly,

is there a particular president you enjoyed photographing the most? or when you fell in the best relationship with? >> yes there is. that would be president bush 43. he was wonderful to work with. very genuine. we used to kid around quite a bit. he, there were occasions, only once or twice, that i was the only woman still photographer there. handlers, you know, they would tell you they want to get you out of for the photo op. they say, thank you very much. the handler, this one day said, gentlemen thank you very much. president bush turned to him inside, and pointed to me and said, there is a lady here. >> you know, the media knows the southern gentleman indications. >> let me ask you quickly, kristie, because we're going have to go in a moment. i just want to ask about january six. i know you were there, the photos you have that fateful day, they won the distinguished 2020 photo prize. where exactly were you, and

what was that like while the instruction was underway? >> while i was there before hands because i had heard on the news that you shouldn't go downtown. most of us photojournalists say, well that's where i'm going. it was down there, it was kind of calm. i was starting out, and that the speaker phones as i have in my book, it was very surreal. everyone speakerphone is, speaker phones, i'm sorry, phones are on speaker. you can hear president trump speaking from down the road at the rally. it was like his voice was everywhere being protected from thousands of phones. then things were kind of peaceful and tell all the people from the rally started getting there. of course, once the proud boys got there, things started to change. the whole environment changed where you could just feel

things shifts. i have photographed in my career, you know, many demonstrations throughout my career. this was very different because you could kind of feel things like building up like a tornado to a totally and out of control. >> absolutely. we have seen evidence of that from your photos, and all the other snapshots that we've had. -- >> there seems to be a kind of militarist exchange. >> absolutely. well done at all of this. i wish we had more time, we don't. i'm getting a wrap in the year, but i do appreciate your time. best of luck with the book. thank you for sharing with us. >> thank you for having me. >> and these are joining me on this episode of alex report. i'll join you next week at noon eastern. i hope that she'll forgive me for being a little bit late. i hope that she'll forgive m

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