everybody and i'm yasmin vossoughian, if you're just joining us, welcome, if you're still with that stick around, thank you. steve bannon ready to testify to the january six committee, the news coming less than 48 hours before the next committee hearing, were extremists -- capitol hill riot will in fact make up centers stage. ahead of that, a new documentary giving us a new idea of donald trump's view of

those who cause chaos that day. >> but i will tell you, they were angry from the standpoint of what happened in the election, because they're smart and they see, and they saw what happened. i believe that was a big part of what happened. >> so, also this hour backlash today to a comment from a white house spokesperson aimed at abortion activists, that come even as the president himself urges those on the front lines, to keep fighting. >> keep protesting. keep making your point. it's critically important, we can do a lot of things to accommodate the rights of women, in the meantime, fundamentally the only is if we have a national law against roe v. wade. that's the bottom line. >> and as one community in illinois continues to bury those lost to a july 4th

student, is counting its blessings july for shooting there stopped at the last moment by attempt from a citizen. i'm gonna talk to richmond mayor, lavar stony, about how it all went now also talk to a teenager, who said say four people from a sinking car in mississippi. that's ahead as well. we first want to get with the nbc reporting, obtaining two letters today they can open the door for steve bannon to appear before the january six committee. the president, former president trump begged the move to waive his debunked claims of executive privilege for bannon who in that other letter indicated that he would in fact testify under certain circumstances. i want to get to nbc's jewels -- jewels, good to talk to once again this is all coming as the committee released a statement about pat cipollone's eight hour or so testimony saying what he provided was quote unquote, critical, tell us about these two tracks? >> that's right, jasmine, there are two tracks happening.

you have steve bannon who's apparently clear to speak with the january six committee under the backdrop of course of his content of congress case. this is a last effort to show that he is attempting to cooperate. now, obviously, the committee wants to hear from steve man in, allegedly he's at the willard hotel on january 5th -- before the insurrection. and at the same time, the committee just spoke with pat cipollone, who was privy to many a conversation leading up to it in the aftermath of january six. as you mentioned, the committee releasing a rare statement to nbc news, giving away a little bit of detail, the committee spokesperson said that that cipollone provided highly relevant new information, information that demonstrated donald trump's supreme dereliction of duty, notably said that the testimony did corroborate key elements of

cassidy hutchinson's testimony. several of the committee members were on a sunday morning blitz, on the show's, they said that the testimony will come out in hearings this week. on tuesday we have a focus on those domestic extremist groups, that were at the capitol on january six, and of course the primetime hearing set for thursday, possibly tying up all of this in a bubble. yasmin, we'll see how all those play out and we'll see clips from cipollone as well. >> so, we're talking of course about public testimony in the week ahead, tuesday and thursday, the focus being the testimony from pat cipollone, the concentration on some of these extremist groups that also stormed the capitol. with that we also have a release of the new documentary that you and i have been talking about for the last hour, unprecedented, how is that gonna play into these new developments that we're hearing about? >> this new documentary, it

doesn't show too much that we didn't already know, what it does is it emphasizes the thinking of not only president, trump but of -- his we appreciate -- president trump, and i was actually staying what his aides have said. at legibly in these testimony. that january six was the, angered about a rigged election, trump saying this even after the advisers were telling him there was no fraud. president trump calling the georgia secretary of state, hardheaded as a rock, as he's calling him to overturn the election. you see trump doubled down, in these interviews as we kind of knew at the time, but also his kids didn't say much about the insurrection. it's this interesting contrast between the documentary, where they held the line, we're seeing the clips triple out

from the testimony. for example ivanka said, she accepted bill barr's assertion there was no fraud. it goes to show you, the delicate mines that were being kind of balanced in the white house, leading up to and after january six. >> julia jester for us, the new documentary were just talking about containing some pretty -- outside the capital on that day showing us once again. the extreme nature of the groups who stormed the capitol. >> freedom. >> freedom. >> or sick of the lies, we're sick of the demons, this is our country. our house. [noise] >> we have the capital. >> every time i see that

footage, it takes me back. this new footage, released just days before the committee's hearing, is set to examine far-right extremist like the proud boys, and oath keepers. the connections the former presidents, we want to bring in nbc news security analyst clint watts, clint, it's great talking to about stuff like this. we're looking ahead of course a tuesday and thursday in the testimony will be hearing, especially as what committee members are -- the marshaling of the mob. of course the connections that these extremist groups like proud boys had with the former president, and what the former president knew about the actions that they intended to carry out that day. talk first to me, about how you see this documentary having significance in these hearings? >> the most interesting thing, he has been, through this entire thing is a federal crime that was filmed by everybody that was committing crimes. that's the consistent thing. there is an overwhelming amount

of evidence, this documentary puts it together in a way that may be the common person in the country, doesn't really understand. you've heard a lot of discussion from republicans at times about this being just tourists who are at the capitol. but the two groups, with conspiracy charges the proud boys and the oath keepers, this was definitely not a tourist event for them. they were there dressed in battle and armor gear as you see. the proud boys in fact told the group to disperse into smaller units, and they didn't dress like the proud boys like they had done in protest leading up to that. at the same time, there's a strong point about whether the other the protesters who had entered the capitol, if it weren't for these two militia groups in particular, was rallying and made a strikeforce and particular in the case of the proud boys, they were aimed at breaking the windows. being the ones that broke through the doors, making sure that the people flew into the capitol. talking about taking the capital, that specific in some of those conspiracy documents we see, chauvin turned the

charges that are by the fbi in the permit of dust. us >> let me read for you clint, reporting from politico especially pertain to the doj's kind of real focus on the testimony will be hearing on tuesday and thursday. proud boys and oath keepers on thursdays of intense interest to the justice department, it's preparing to -- against the leadership of both the proud boys and oath keepers. this other reporting we're hearing from reuters as well, talking about the or keepers actually had on them, what their plans were to carry out that type of violence. oath keepers brought explosives, these -- reporting also indicated there was possibly a kill list that they had in hand to carry out. what do you make of that in relation to the testimony will be hearing over the next few days? >> the oath keepers, in contrast to the proud boys, the proud boys are focused on the capitol, and getting to the

capital, that's where you saw many of them arrested in the small cells, breaking open windows, very clearly working to try to orchestrate and assault on the capitol. the oath keepers, look to me from the indictment i've read so far, the weapons caches that we're in a nearby hotel, the radio transmissions, the talks of actually bringing weapons into the district of columbia on that day. this is straight-up overthrow of the united states government, very different level, and when you look at it this would be an armored -- against the democratic process, this would be seen as treason in many aspects, had this happened at other times i think in our country's history. most people don't take it as seriously think that they should. when you read the indictment, it's remarkable the level of patta planning, the code words use, the tactical gear they were dressed in, the body army there are worrying. this is outright militia assaulting the u.s. capitol. i think we're very lucky that we didn't see some of those

congressman that were on a kill list, some of the individuals on a calais be taken that day. think of some of that happening we'd actual targeting of a specific, killing of an individual, kidnapping of individual, and it takes it to a whole new level. it was far more plausible than most americans realize. >> if you can entertain me for just one moment, clint, how do you expect the committee to circle back on what we hear about the intentions, and motives of the oath keepers and proud boys that day, to the former president? >> this will have to be the communications through -- in particular, roger stone, he was with the oath keepers. he acted as a bodyguard for them, he spoke at this exact scenario taking play several times. that takes into communication mark meadows, the staff in the white house, who are they communicating with, well congressman were communicating with individuals in either the oath keepers or the proud boys. that's really the linkage that

needs to be linked together to end this out. i think that's the last thing that's hanging out there ultimately. >> clint watts, as always, we appreciate. it be sure to watch msnbc for all the coverage of tuesday's hearing, beginning with morning joe at 6 am, -- after the hearing as. well then catch the two hour recap special beginning at 8 pm with rachel maddow, and her panel msnbc host what the january six committee, house investigates tuesday on msnbc. we have a lot ahead everybody. this hour, a big week for the trump family, the former president along with ivanka, don jr., set to be interviewed -- into their company. >> i saw cardinal order, and i heard them say help me. so, i took my shirt off, took my shoes off, through my phone and i jumped in the water. >> a dramatic water rescue by

mississippian after car sinks into the river. i'll talk to the 16 year old hero later in the show. but first, white house response to criticism of its executive order on abortion rights as more protests are planned from the supreme court tomorrow. that conversation coming up. are planned from the supreme court tomorrow that conversation coming up.

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codify roe v. wade over the past five decades? >> i do believe that we know should have rightly believed, we certainly believe, some issues are just settled, certain issues are just settled. >> clearly we're not? >> that's right, that's why i do believe we're living, sadly, in real unsettled times. we're looking at elections coming up, the hundred and 20 something days, they're gonna be about who serves in congress, we need a pro-choice congress. >> the administration responding today, after facing harsh criticism over what some described as a slow footed response on the end of roe. it's coming as a new washington post looks into the administration's 14-day, two long struggle to respond. -- kate bedingfield, that's facing some backlash. joe biden's goal and responding to dobbs's not to satisfy some

activists who have been consistently out of step with the mainstream of the democratic party. it's to deliver help to women who are in danger and assemble a broad based coalition to defend a woman's right to choose now. just as he assembled such a coalition to win during the 2020 campaign. joining me now is president of next-gen america cristina tzintzún ramirez, christina thank you for joining us, given first reaction to the quote that i just read from kate bedingfield. >> we know that voting is important, young people are outrage across the country, we sped just the last several days texting a quarter million young people, they're angry, they want greater action by the democratic party and this leadership. they also know that republicans have an extreme agenda and the supreme court, to rule with rollback the rights on women and lgbt community. we appreciate the democrats are calling for young people to vote, yes we understand the voting is important, but it's not the only thing we can do. the organizing that people are

doing in the street, calls to action to look at all the ways we can support abortion access in this country, are critical. young people, young women especially are on the front lines of pushing the democratic party to do everything they can right now to protect women's right to choose. >> what do you make of this particular portion of her quote in which she says, who have been consistently activists, consistently out of step with the mainstream of the democratic party. >> i mean, we've come a long way as a democratic party, it used to be a time when a lot of time democrats didn't support abortion. we're much much closer to where we need to be. we still have outliers that are unwilling to take a stand on abortion. or want to suppose that we can count on the supreme court when it's so clear that we can't. that's why these actions, the organizing industry, organizing other community members, and voting are critical.

but we do have outliers on the democratic party, extreme minority rule in the supreme court that is trying to impose an agenda that is completely out of step with the vast majority of americans. >> the president's been outspoken about his reaction when it comes to the overturning of roe. we saw his signing of the executive order to try and protect abortion rights in certain parts of the country for some women. the president was asked about the protests that are happening outside the white house today, his reaction to what they're doing and what needs to continue to happen, let's take a listen to that and then we'll talk. >> do you have a president -- ? >> keep protesting, keep making a point it's critically important. we're doing a lot of things too --

>> so, keep protesting, keep fighting as the president says there is also talking about the possibility of declaring a health emergency to free federal resources for abortion access. what do you make about the president saying there, christina, and your efforts you organizations efforts outside the supreme court tomorrow? >> tomorrow, we're gonna be with dozens of young folks outside the supreme court. we're calling a movement in morning, we're all dressing in black, taking flowers and from the supreme court that symbolize the number of women that are likely to die in the next couple of years because of abortion outlaw. there's a 20% increase in maternal mortality, that will happen because of this abortion ban in this country. we've pushed the abaya biden administration, activists have pushed the biden administration, to take this action on taking executive orders to look at declaring aisles emergency. we need all proposals to be looked at, from expanding the

supreme court, to declaring this health emergency, to going on organizing and voting to make sure that extremist republicans don't take control of congress in the senate. because they are looking at outlying abortion at a federal level, we need to stop them from doing that. the young people that are organizing, marching, demanding both democrats be held accountable, use every tool they have to protect our access and freedom to decide what happens with our own bodies is critical. this is a movement, i've been involved in organizing run peoples for decades, this is a rare, rare moment that we're seeing. it's the next movement across the country. >> cristina tzintzún ramirez, thank you, good luck tomorrow by the way. coming, up turning tragedy into action in illinois, residents of highland park rallying in holding vigils, to support the grieving community but to call for an end to gun violence. plus, the mayor of richmond,

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the shooter climbed fire escape and opened fire. we're actually standing in a spot, if this is correct, where you guys were sitting on july 4th, and by the way thank you for sharing, i know this is hard to talk about, can you walk me through what you saw that day, what's happened and how we are processing all this? >>, we've been on this one of her court five years we've been coming to the parade for 45 years, we grew up here, we've raised our kids here. and we were sitting right here, the high school van had just marched by, and they were about four or five army or coast guard, i'm not sure what military had just passed, all of a sudden we started hearing a pop, pop, pop. it was so loud, the first thing i thought it was's was fireworks, i knew was coming from this direction, i couldn't tell what it was, where it was coming from, and then we realized this wasn't fireworks

this was so loud, i never heard such a loud bang before. somehow we just both thought to get out of our chairs and hit the ground right here. >> you just laid on the ground? >> we laid flat on the ground. >> we laid flat on the ground and somehow we turned ourselves around, saw senior toledo hit and die right here. we didn't know the carnage until we got into the store, we got into gear had, turned around and it was devastating. it was devastating to see this. it didn't have to be this way. it's not about the shooter, it really isn't, this is a disturbed guy, but you couldn't have gotten hold of the automatic weapon of mass destruction, this wouldn't happen, it's not about gun control, it's really about our sweet community that keeps

getting described in popular, we're a very -- of ethnicities we keep getting depicted as mexican and jewish, or two thirds of the people here are protestant and catholic. it could happen anywhere, it's not about highland park. >> so sorry for everything you went through. thank you so much for sharing, and now highland park like so many other communities before them, buffalo, uvalde, tulsa, will start that long painful journey of reckoning with the aftermath of this mass shooting. >> that community certainly reeling and will continue to real after this tragedy as you mentioned as so many communities continue to do, and those two individuals thank them for me personally, liz, for sharing their story with us. i know it's incredibly painful to have to relive something as tragic as that. so, thank you. we want to shift now to another fourth of july celebration, this one in richmond, virginia, that came chillingly close to

becoming a site of yet another mass shooting. an anonymous tip, called into police alerted them to two individuals that were allegedly discussing details of their planned attack on an outdoor amphitheater that was hosted over 2000 people celebrating the july 4th holiday. police then arrested the two man, who were roommates, and confiscated heavy assault weapons, over 200 rounds of ammunition. in a statement the return believe she said this, there's no telling how many lives this hero says and saved with this one phone call. joining me now is the mayor of richmond virginia, mayor levar stoney, mayor stony, thank you for joining us, can you just walk me through the events of that day, in finding out about this tip and what led police to be so concerned in which they pursued these two individuals and arrested them? >> well you know, right now, we have to take every type, every

call that comes through our 9-1-1 seriously. so, an individual overheard a couple of guys talking about, a mass shooting at a fourth of july event. and the individual, did something that we ask all of our residents to do, that's if you hear something, say something, if you see something, say something. he picks up the phone calls one of our precincts, our police department did their due diligence, visited the home, knocked on the door, they arrived at the home and they come in, they were allowed to come in and then they see weapons laid out, they really want to apprehend one of the suspects. they did heavy surveillance on the other side which is captured on july 5th. so, july one got one off the streets with weapons, july 5th with the surveillance we were following the individuals to get them off the streets as. well so, july for the process

was secure, there was people were able to still enjoy the fourth of july but as the woman said in the previous fees, this could happen to any city, any community and we take all sort of these tips seriously. >> i got a couple questions for you, how did this tipster identify these two individuals? did this tipster know them, did they identify the location of these two individuals, had the police track them down? >> the police were able, the hipster was able to get a lot of information, and some of that i can't go into detail. but information about where these individuals -- will tracked individuals down to the home. and south richmond, where they both reside, to me i have to say good police work we want our police officers to be do their diligence, due diligence on every call that comes through the fact that we had an individual that was heroic -- to see something, say something goes a long way to avert so much tragedy that could happen

in our community. >> we're talking about the assault style weapons, tuna rounds of ammunition that were seized in this arrest. where these things purchased legally by these individuals, where they registered to these two man? >> these individuals were here on a work visa that had already expired, so these were undocumented individuals, who are not allowed -- firepower and they were able to get their hands on these weapons of war. that could've been used to take lives, harm individuals in my city, and once again i take tip my hat off to the richmond police department, we appreciate the help of homeland security, and the federal bureau of investigation. >> where are they now? >> right now, they are in jail, right now they've been apprehended, that's a good thing. most importantly, the weapons of war that they had their hands on, they've been seized by the richmond police

department, i think you see those assault weapons out on the street, and they had several hundred rounds of ammunition. you think about the thousands of individuals who are at the scene on fourth of july, could cut could've cause mass chaos, mass casualties as well. >> let's talk about big picture here right, this plot was forwarded thankfully but, you think about the violence that richmond virginia that your city has seen, and it's tremendous in fact a 15 year high, 90 homicides last year alone. what needs to happen? >> well, gun violence today is an app damac for generations in the city. we obviously have to be tough on crime, they should get individuals who choose to harm others off the street but also we need to be tough on the rue causes of crime. i'm proud we've invested more in a police department to help clear out those backlogs, the investigations that need to happen, but we put more dollars into raising office or pay, being a pay leader in the

region. and we've invested in prevention and intervention programs as well. we're doing strategies like a gun buyback program, we're gonna use the strategy of getting violence -- in neighborhoods that we can interrupt these conflicts before they happen and turn to gun violence. >> we mayor levar stoney, thank you so much. coming up, a daring water rescue by i won mississippi teen, the 16 year old being hailed as a hero after saving three girls and a police officer from a car submerged in the river. joining me next, we'll be right back. merged i the river. the river. joininenty of magic in all that chaos. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ g the minions are coming to ihop. with an all new menu you're going to love. ♪ ♪ excuse me! enjoy the minions menu at ihop.

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so we are like we're gonna go under the bridge but, there's room for parking, we just go out there and have a good time. it was getting late, we are getting ready to leave, i got into my car and i was getting ready to pull off and i saw another car pull off behind me, i saw them driving in direction towards the water, and i'm like the streets towards that way, why are they going towards the water. i'm watching them go towards the water, and it's like a wrap going to it, so i'm watching them and as i'm watching the car i see the car drive straight around, and i'm a little bit confused. i'm thinking there about to come back up, but then i saw people go over there, and so i got out of my car and when i started running over i started hearing people yelling help. that's when a sped up, i heard people say help, and i got over there and i ran, and i see them

at the water there all in the water, i see the cars under the water, and i can see them screaming. when i first saw them i was in shock, no way this is real, no way this is happening. but then i need to step out of a quick, i just took my shoes off, took my shirt off, and through my phone out of my pocket. i jumped into the water, at first i got the girl that was closest to me, i grabbed her i had to slimmer back to shore, i gave her to somebody else at shore. and then it was still two girls that was also in the water. i had to swim ashore, go back to the water, that was about 20 feet out there i had to go back into the water and get the other girls, and one of them was in the water panicking a lot. some of the car was still above water, like the front windshield and kind of the top of the roof.

i had to go out there in the water, and the girl that was panicking i had to get her but let's go back to the car, just calm down catch your breath and the other girl she didn't know how to slam, but she knows how to keep our head above water. so she will go under. so i kept telling them, let's get on top of the car, just calm down, calm down she was still panicking. that's when the officer came arrived, when he arrived he swung out there we were still sitting on top of the car, he swung out there to us, and he was telling her the girl right there, telling her i got you it will, be okay, we'll make it back. she got on his back, and when he tried to swim from her panicking, she also started taking him under, so he was going under trying to come back up, he was swallowing a lot of water, and so he was telling her i can't keep going, i can't,

he was swallowing water he couldn't breathe. he had on his gear, so that's when i had to jump on top of the car and i had to go help him. i was behind him trying to keep them both above water. and pushing them towards shore, the officer and the girl, i was trying to do both of them. on the one of the girl can't swim, she was panicking, so i started mainly focusing on the girl. i start focusing on the go try to help her get ashore faster, because i know she can swim, so i got closer to the shore i felt myself touching the ground, that's when i gave her to someone, get her. [inaudible] i turned around and see the officer he's drowning, he's going underwriter, he's gasping for air, he's trying to stay above water, he starts struggling to stay above the water, that's when i start going again, granted the

officer when when he got there he couldn't brave land on the ground he was far up the, officer was really about to drown. up the cory on, i'm glad you wheaties that morning. and you have some good good parents that raised you to do the right thing there and teach you how to swim as well. knowing how to rescue these people, and doing the right thing and jumping in the water at the right time to get them out. we are blessed to have you in this world. and those girls are blessed that you are there at the right place at the right time. thank you for taking us through that. that is incredible. thank you. >> all right, after the break everybody, will donald trump finally have to answer for his business practices we will be right back. right back. answer for his business practices we will b

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i've been a very good father. it's been important to me. >> my father was not conventionally a family man, in the fact that he didn't go to our sports games or that wasn't really his thing. and he was pretty unapologetic about it. >> you could always spend time with him, but it was on his terms. >> some different recollections of childhood from donald trump and his kids from the new documentary, unprecedented. we've been showing snippets of it over the last two hours.

one thing they are united, on the family business. and that unity is going to be put that to the test this week. the trumps are set to testify on friday, in new york states civil investigation into whether the trumps organization used fraudulent or misleading valuations of real estate assets like golf courses, skyscrapers, to get loans and tax benefits. of course, new york's probe is one of several investigations into the former president. the first is he must answer questions under oath. drumming me now is new york times reporter. david, great to talk to you as always. take us first through specifically what the new york ag office is looking into when it comes to the trump organization being a civil case, not a criminal one. >> that is right, this would've been a lawsuit, not criminal charges. it's a series of properties. these allegations started with michael cohen's testimony before congress. a series of properties where trump is accused basically of exaggerating or shrinking the value of those properties to

fit different purposes. if he was trying to talk to somebody, he might want to put a property tax on it, he would shrink the value. he would talk to a potential lender who is interested in it, he would exaggerate the value. the values was an accordion back and forth. the question is, did he do it to such a degree that it went beyond the bounds of normal puffery in business and became fraudulent -- >> let me ask you this, taking the trump name out of it, david. how often are cases like this prosecuted >> identity, are not talking about prosecution. we're talking about a civil case. it is not that common. but you have to understand what's trumpeted is not common. we talk to the folks in the world of appraisals, that's the center of this case, and we say look at what trump did. we described something as being worth 7 million in one context, and then 250 million in another context. does anybody do that? the answer was no. nobody else does that. so he went far beyond the normal bounds of real estate. this would be an unusual

lawsuit, but there is an unusual set of facts here. the ag i think justifies it. >> what can come from it >> we are talking about a lawsuit in new york state, where the trump organization is headquartered. there could be -- the ag could seek monetary penalty, she could also try to take away the charter of the trump organization, revoke its state charter. it's not a death sentence for the company, you could try to reform something somewhere else. but one parallel to this would be a way that the new york ag has gone after -- the nra also charted in new york state. if their organization would survive, it would be a massive legal headache. i don't think it would put any of the trumps in jail, but it would be a serious blow for their family business. >> the trumps did in fact lose their appeal of this subpoena for them to testify. at this point, though, with this testimony, could they plead the fifth >> they certainly could. eric trump, you remember trump has three children. eric trump was the one who was the most directly involved with a couple of the properties that

the ag focused on. he was -- with august 2020. he was 500 times. in the context of a criminal investigation, which this is not. taking the fifth doesn't hurt you. in the context of a civil investigation, if you take the fifth and you say i don't want to answer that question because it could incriminate me, that can be used against you. so it may be would be better than be jumping away bad facts or an answer that criminals you, but pleading the fifth is not a neutral position in a civil investigation. >> does the former president at this point have any tools in his tool box to halt the investigation >> no. he has tried, that he filed a civil lawsuit against the new york attorney general which was thrown out. he challenged the deposition, he challenged discovery requests. he's challenged being held in quebec contempt. he does not have a lot of power as a private citizen facing a state organization. courts have repeatedly found it has a strong basis, in fact,

it's not borne out of political animus, it's borne out of a need to investigate. he does not have any weapons to throw off this deposition. if a lawsuit comes, we'll have to fight the lawsuit like anybody else. >> david, thank you david, good to talk to you. we had some breaking news on tuesday's january six committee hearing. nbc just learned former oath keeper spokesman, jason van tottenham will appear as a witness at the next january six committee hearing on tuesday. according to a source familiar with the hearing plans. though he was not part of the white nationalist militia group during or leading up to the attack on the capitol, van tighten ho is expected to speak to the oath keepers propaganda is a shun and radicalization over the last couple of years. still ahead, an update on the middle school teen we had just last month who had upperclassman come to his aid after others refused to sign his yearbook. the marvelous gift he just got from one of the avengers. we'll be right back. >> i am aunt man.

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testimony, that's with the january six committee says they got from trump's former white house counsel, pat cipollone. what will this play into tuesday's hearing well, focused on what some of us have called the marshaling of the mob, a coordinated effort between trump, his top aides associates, and white nationalists. we're finally getting an actual look inside the white house. hearing president trump described january 6th in his own words. with the release of a highly anticipated documentary, unprecedented. plus, one florida county slapping a warning notice on lgbtq+ kids in physics classes and overnight field trips. just the latest example of schools putting their own restrictions in place in response to the so-called don't say gay bill. you are watching some out on msnbc, and we have a lot to talk about.