january six committee says they got from trump's former white house counsel, pat cipollone. what will this play into tuesday's hearing well, focused on what some of us have called the marshaling of the mob, a coordinated effort between trump, his top aides associates, and white nationalists. we're finally getting an actual look inside the white house. hearing president trump described january 6th in his own words. with the release of a highly anticipated documentary, unprecedented. plus, one florida county slapping a warning notice on lgbtq+ kids in physics classes and overnight field trips. just the latest example of schools putting their own restrictions in place in response to the so-called don't say gay bill. you are watching some out on msnbc, and we have a lot to talk about.

donald trump's role in the plot to overturn the 2020 election. including the violent and deadly attack on the capitol by a mob of insurrectionists, and ongoing threat to democracy. they will be the first opportunity for the public to see clips from the star witness, pat cipollone,'s recorded testimony last week. the former white house counsel was reportedly cooperative. the panel has requested that an added version of alex holder's newly released documentary, unprecedented. so we could see some behind the scenes footage. not included in the final cut. although, it's not clear just how much we will learn from it. what we did learn is that the trump kids had nothing to say about january 6th. >> you said before you didn't

want to talk about january 6th, the capital hearing >> let's skip the sixth. >> let's go to nbc's, julia, at the capitol where anticipation is building. she is getting new information about the committee's witness list. julia, we've heard another big player, steve bannon, could testify at some point. what are you learning. >> michael, i actually just learned about what one of the witnesses on tuesday will be. jason van tat and how the, former spokesperson for the oath keepers will be testifying on tuesday. fantastic of -- wasn't with them on january 6th. he hasn't been with them since 2017. where he can provide and his testimony behind closed doors

back in march, is the context for of the oath keepers as an extremist group and the dangers of its propaganda and rattle is a shun have post. so van tattle of is expected to speak to the personal interactions with stewart rhodes, who lived with him for a number of years. so he will be able to help boast or the committee's idea that the groups are dangerous having worked with them as the national media director for a number of years. he is going to help the committee thread together the messaging of president trump and his allies, leading up to and on january 6th. with this parallel track of these extremist groups that essentially led part of the attack on the capitol, the oath keepers and the proud boys. representative stephanie murphy

said this about the convergence and how the committee plans to address this on tuesday's hearing. >> we will lay out the body of evidence that we have that talks about how the president's tweet on the wee hours of december 19th, be there or be wild, that was a siren call to these folks. and we will talk in detail about wet that caused them to do, how it caused them to organize as well as who else was amplifying that message. >> so messaging is a key part, both in how the groups like the oath keepers who were using their own propaganda to raise money and grow in prominence, as well as president trump and his allies, using the messaging of a rigged election and how all of these converge on january 6th. now, as you mentioned, there are a lot of other factors at play ahead of these highly anticipated hearings this week. steve bannon, who wrote a

letter to the committee overnight saying that president trump waved his executive privilege and therefore bannon is willing to testify. in fact, prefers to testify publicly. it remains to be seen at the committee will agree to those terms. i know that they do want to hear what he's has to say, as a number of the members said this morning. we are waiting to hear clips from pat cipollone's testimony on friday. trump's former white house counsel met with the committee, he was there for about eight hours and he has provided a lot of highly critical information to the committee. a committee spokesman told nbc news that cipollone's testimony underscored donald trump's whole dereliction of duty, and also corroborated key elements of cassidy hutchinson's testimony. a lot to pack into these hearings this week, michael. >> i can imagine. i can imagine.

nbc's, julia jester, thank you very much. we are talking all things january six as our legal panel, glen kushner, he is a former prosecutor and nbc legal panelist. and kyle cheney is the senior legal affairs reporter for politico. welcome gentlemen. so, my buddy glenn, as of now, there are only two hearings left, supposedly. right. it is crunch time, baby. here we go. what do you think needs to be the final salvo to bring this investigation all the way home. >> one of the things that we are watching for, you know, the testimony from the oath keepers or about the oath keepers. testimony about the proud boys. we are all waiting to see wet lengths can be made from the keepers to the war council in the war room and directly to the oval office. i think that is something that we're gonna be watching for and it is interesting, michael, the reporting we just heard about how a former oath keepers spokesperson who also

apparently lived with stewart rhodes is prepared to come in and testify live, not video clips, that tells me that the j 6th committee has a high degree of confidence in the power and truthfulness and accuracy of what he is about to testify. i think it also helps to explain why stewart rhodes is desperate to testify. we don't know -- he's pending trial in a conspiracy case. but some of these things now seem to be falling into place. >> let's pick up on this piece that glenn has laid out. the hearings focus is gonna be on the extremist groups that were part of the insurrection. what do we know about the ties about -- with trump's associates and the groups like the oath keepers how to those ties play a role. a significant role in these hearings >> that ties that we know about are fairly tenuous, in the sense that we know people like roger stone is a

close ally of -- donald trump. january 5th and sixth. we know that there was some communication, but not necessarily get directly connected to what happened at the capitol. but, to what julia spoke about earlier, it is correct that there was a lot of signaling going on. the president said to be there, it will be wild. these groups view that as a call to arms, a call to action. there was a lot of that back and forth along the way. the committee wants to highlight how these groups via the white house and extremist groups were aware of each other and responded to each other, even if not directly. and how they're actions were in tandem, or in parallel ultimately and converging on the sixth. >> glenn, i need to to help wrap my head around this idea, this steve man, he says he would waive executive privilege. clearly trump was going to clear the way for bennett to testify before the committee. >> i have gold medals for

interpretive dance, i mean, come on, it doesn't exist. he doesn't have executive privilege. why would trump go down this road how could this affect beyond its contempt charges with congress >> it probably will not affect steve bannon's contempt of congress trial at all. this whole prosecutor, michael, this feels like a trial defense ploy. what does steve bannon try to do he's trying to set up an argument that he wants to use in court that we'll, the only reason i didn't comply with the earlier congressional subpoena was because donald trump had never waved and executive privilege as you precisely. set out he didn't have in the first place but -- bannon was not part of the administration with the government on january six 2021. and any lingering executive privilege is joe biden's to invoke or wave, not donald trump.

but this is where bannon and donald trump, i would argue, are colluding to try to give bannon a bogus defense in his upcoming condemns of congress trial by saying look, i would have testified, i'm offering to testify now because donald trump is waiving executive privilege. this is nonsense. this trial defense strategy will not work. >> kyle, quickly, we have a minute left. the committee issued a statement about former white house counsel cipollone's testimony saying, quote, in our interview with mr. cipollone, the committee received critical testimony on nearly every major topic in its investigation, reinforcing key points regarding donald trump's misconduct and providing highly relevant new information that will play a central role in this upcoming hearing. what does this mean, kyle, and how does this play out what is the gravity of cipollone's testimony what impact can be expected to have. >> if you can have one witnesses tell you what's going on at the white house, he's the

one that you would want. the other witnesses were talking about -- he was president for a significant inflection point in this postelection period, raising legal doubts about appointing alternative electors to congress. whether trump could march to the capital, whether they could replace the doj leadership or point sidney powell special counsel. he was there at every point. you they're threatening to resign or saying this is illegal. now that they have him directly on the record about this, it could be brace ignorant. >> glenn kirschner and kyle cheney, thank you so much for starting us off. coming up, former president trump says about january 6th. in the newly released documentary, we will show you the video and get into how significant it could be for the select committees investigation. but first, my colleague, richard louis, with today's other top news stories. hey richard. >> hey michael. good sunday to you. some stories from washington. maybe time to fill up your tank, aaa is saying gas dropped 30 cents a gallon to $4.68 points

per gallon on average. that still up from $3.14 a year ago. secretary of state, tony blanket, travels to tokyo today to offer condolences on the loss of former prime minister, shinzo abe. abe was assassinated at a political event friday. the wake is scheduled for tomorrow, and funeral on tuesday. this is parliamentary elections took place in japan today. results expected tomorrow. firefighters are battling a worsening blaze in yosemite national park. it drifts will largest grove of giant sequoias. the washburn fire more than doubled in size in just one day. officials saying it is location presents significant safety hazards to firefighters as well. heat has -- dry conditions, fueling the fire that is currently 0% contained. more simone right after this break. contained. contained. more break.

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between new witnesses like former oath keepers spokesperson, we just heard about. plus, new testimony and documentary. we still have a lot to unpack about the january six committee hearing. so let's bring in our panel and get right into it. clay kane, a radio host on series xm and the democratic straddle it just. reena shaw is the senior adviser for republican women for progress and a former republican strategist. welcome to you both. let's start with the documentary that debut earlier this morning on discovery plus, unprecedented, will be used as

evidence in this hearing this week. here's what trump says in the film about january 6th. >> we talk about january 6th >> yeah. >> it was the said day. but it was the day where there was great anger in our country. people went to washington primarily because they were angry with an election that they think was rigged. a very small portion, as you know, went down to the capitol. and a very small portion of them went in. i will tell you, they were a great from the standpoint of what happened in the election. they are smart, and they see, they saw what happened. and i believe that was a big part of what happened untrain or a sixth. >> clay, i know you've watched the full documentary. how important do you think it will be to these hearings >> i think it's crucial. i think the big takeaways for

the documentary, for, me was that trump does not know the definition of democracy. to, to be honest, mike pence is a political robot. but one of the most crucial parts of the dark was when one of the commentators said that what if trump had been a more sophisticated leader would if he had better lawyers and that for me is the real issue, michael. it is that the issue isn't really trump. the issue is the enablers in the republican party. the next time they try to overturn an election, it will be quieter. it's not going to be a massive insurrection. so i think, for me, this committee is so crucial. it lays out well in the documentary. in the future, trump or not, for me i'm looking to mitch mcconnell. i'm looking to senator tim scott. i'm looking to justice clarence thomas and his wife, virginia thomas. that is the contagion that we have in the republican party. >> serena, at one of those enablers is steve bannon, if he ends up testifying at a live hearing, wouldn't there be danger in giving him that

platform, for what's certainly will be a contentious exchange with the panel. >> in many ways, michael, i think steve bannon was the architect of the authoritarian trump. we witnessed that over the course of many years. he grew more and more bold, and why. it was steve bannon whispering and easier. i'm very concerned, michael, about this rise of silent authoritarianism in the republican party. how it has been just swept under the rug, not just by the usual suspects in congress, but by it feels like everywhere we look -- all the way down, the local leaders, you say well, look, trump was a guy who we knew who he was. and now, he's probably toast, he's done. let's go for somebody like governor desantis. guess what, he may be political, but he is not quite different when you look at exactly how he wants to lay out his plan to get to his policy goal. are they even policy goals, the committee has his work cut out for it, no doubt. i think the turn and the road was cassidy hutchinson's

emotional testimony in many ways. i did think that -- the vocation of emotion she was able to bring that that table, to testify, it didn't leave the minds of many of those in congress. and maybe, just maybe, this week we might hear some different things from those in congress who have previously supported trump's -- >> i want to follow up on what you said about influence in particular. governor larry hogan was talking to the press this morning talking about trump's influence in the republican party. let me play what he said. >> president trump's influence on the party was going to diminish for time, it hasn't happened rapidly but it has diminished dramatically. there are 34% of republican primary voters who want to see the president right again. >> is he right about that, is the influence diminishing. i don't have that vibe. but you help me out. >> if you're talking to people

around the country, you know, they don't talk about trump as much as they used to. i think that is fair. i think it is this thing we do inside the beltway, we almost get inside of our heads thinking, well, this is the dominant topic around here. it's gotta be on the minds of americans that same way. in my native west virginia, i can tell, you people have moved on. they say they like donald trump because they remember what he said. but are they willing to make a change because they want something different the answer is yes. so, look, it's not a simple answer. it's not the one people want to hear. but i firmly believe that trump can be defeated in my lifetime. it might not happen tomorrow, it might not happen next month, but it can be because we have to appeal to the hearts and minds of the reasonable faction of the republican party. they are out there, if they've just been silent for too long. >> okay. i buy a little bit of that. i'm just gonna put a pin in that. i want to revisit that with you a little bit later. i want to go back to clay, and

switch up the gears. reporters are concerned, obviously, about president biden -- they cornered him on a bike ride. they asked him about what is still one of the most contentious issues in our country, roe v. wade. this is what he had to say. >> as president, i don't have the authority to say that we're going to state roe v. wade as the law of land. the only way we do that is through the collection of the congress. the states can make those judgments. my ultimate goal is to reinstate roe v. wade as a national law by passing it in the united states congress. and i'll sign it the moment it happens. >> let's be clear, there is no way that they're gonna be able to reinstate roe v. wade as national law. now, unless the democrats gained seats in the midterms, this is not happening. so, what is your prediction on that happening, and what is the strategy to make it happen >> the strategy is always

messaging. you know, one of the things i think people should keep on protesting peacefully. i've heard calls for biden to expand the supreme court. he can't do that. it has to go through congress. i've heard calls for biden to end the filibuster, it has to go through congress. so we want to make these changes, we have to show up all the way, just like republicans do. republicans play the long game. they push back a little bit on your guest -- at this point, i don't see a reasonable side of the republican party. but when i can say is their strategy is incredible. they had a 50-year-long game to overturn roe v. wade, and they made it happen. sadly, on the democratic side, if we don't get what we want in four, maybe six years, or even two years sometimes, we stop voting. i think it's hammering in on the messaging and on civics, and realizing that there are certain things the president cannot do. it must go through congress. >> long game versus no game. always a challenge. always a challenge. clay cain and rita shaw, thank you both very much. next, we need to talk,

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[whistling] with technology that can scale across all your clouds... it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling] we may be a little bit worn out, stressed out, or just plain done with anything pandemic related. i get that. i really do. that very well may be the case for so many of us, but today you need to listen very carefully, because we are talking about the global spread of monkeypox. the opinion piece in the washington post puts it like this. . [inaudible] [inaudible]

i [inaudible] doctor tell joins us. doctor could tell, you are one of my favorites. you are my go-to. that piece was a little bit nerve-racking. monkeypox is now down 70 countries. or more than what, nine cases worldwide as of friday? a study suggests mutating at an alarming fast rate, but the world health organization has not even declared monkeypox a public health emergency. what's going on? why not? >> yeah. michael, good to be with you as well. i wish you were on something not as sobering as yet again another virus that threatens our globe, really. here is what's going on. number one, this is definitely a virus that we have seen before in the united states and in fact we are fortunate enough to have the genetic sequencing for previous cases. we just haven't seen this level

of growth this quickly, and especially across the continent. i think what's troubling on a credit clinical level is number one the clinical picture is very. the incubation time, the rash, depending on how it presents itself. it's not something that all of us in the united states have gotten used to seeing. there are many clinicians, myself included. i've only seen one case of monkeypox before this current outbreak that we are dealing with in this country. however, i think the point of calling something a pandemic, there is a policy nuance to this. the world health organization first house to declare a public health emergency of international concern. they decided not to do it, which i think was a mistake, but they're going to be revisiting this issue. that helps to mobilize a number of global kind of entities, coordination and funding, because the last thing we need is we actually have a very effective vaccine for monkeypox. there's not enough for everyone. we have to use a targeted strategy to get it out. that is where i could see

inequities, like of awareness. honestly, michael, in the d.c. area, as soon as vaccine spots opened up, they were full 15 minutes later. that tells you with the pent-up demand and the need for better education, awareness and screening is of monkeypox. >> doctor patel, help us understand how monkeypox is transmitted. what are the symptoms? who, more importantly, is most at risk and why? >> this is very different. i know there's a temptation, because we are talking about pandemics and viruses and do compared to covid, just think of it very different. there is some role of respiratory spread, but the main and primary spread and what has been documented in all the cases in the united states, especially has been ongoing contact between skin lesions. that is why the highest risk populations have been persons who have sex with men. bisexuals, gays, lesbians, transsexuals who have skin to

skin contact with others who have had lesions. it has been flagged as a high risk population. i do think that unfortunately, though, it's ignoring the fact that people are just social creatures and they could have contact with others. the highest risk is when they have skin lesions, michael, but i can take 20 days to develop. in the meantime, you could have everything from fevers and aches. i would just say this. if you have been to an area where you know there have been outbreaks in parts of the country, other parts of the world, or obviously if you have a close contact that you know of that has been under suspicion of heavy monkeypox, even though they didn't get tested, get yourself to a health professional so you could get get tested. the good news is we have a vaccine that works. we have a highly effective test. we have a way to protect people if they've been in close contact. we can do what we call post exposure vaccination. michael, you don't have to have symptoms. you just have to have been in contact with someone who did,

and we can offer you a vaccine. it's two shots, four weeks apart. that has been seen as at least one of the most effective strategies to kind of stop this from causing the damage that it could. >> just a follow-up on what you were saying about the vaccines and limited supply being distributed in the u.s.. it won't be widely available for months. which should we be doing right now to slow the spread? >> we should be doing better outreach. michael, we are just not. we should be trying to promote awareness just like the discussion we are having. talking honestly about it. yes, there are high-risk populations, but this is not a sexually transmitted disease. we need to just be open about anybody having exposure to it. we've had cases around the world of children. there is no limit to how it can spread if you are in close contact with someone with skin lesions or active body secretions. i do think it's important to say that health professionals should reach out. vaccines are available.

find out where you could get tested. that is available to everyone as well. >> you are my go-to. doctor kavita patel. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. after the break, new lgbtq restrictions are in effect in florida schools, and some of them go even further than you have probably heard. the new rules in wayne county involving jim classes and overnight trips, and how local lawmakers are responding. i will ask one state senator coming up next. local lawmakers are responding lawmakers are responding i will ask coming up next it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling]

pelosi's targeting lgbtq+ people are on the rise in americas schools who have become a battleground. check out the recent developments in florida. the school board recently endorsed the so-called inclusive school guide on how to foster better learning environments for lgbtq plus youth. but one policy laid out in that guide is sparking a backlash. while emphasizing that students are allowed to use locker rooms

and restrooms that correspond to their gender identity, the guide states upon notification or determination of a student who is open about their gender identity, parents of the affected students will be notified of reasonable accommodation options available. the guide lists an example of with this notification would look like. a notification that says, in part, a student who is open about their gender identity maybe in your child's physical education class or extracurricular activities. if you are requesting accommodation for your student, please contact school administration to discuss reasonable accommodation options. opponents of the provision warn that it could lead to students being outed, and may also further ostracized lgbtq plus teens, whom the guide itself acknowledges are more at risk for depression, self harm and suicide. nbc's stephanie stanton joins us live from st. petersburg, florida. stephanie, why does school

officials say this guide is necessary? >> good afternoon to you, michael. school officials say guidance is necessary so that they could be in compliance with the new law ahead of the upcoming school year. what is interesting about it as there are so many different aspects to this. there's a lot to unpack, but republicans say this is a parental right to education act. it gives them more authority and control over their children's education, including being notified of their child is struggling, perhaps with gender identity issues, sexual orientation issues, but as you said, lgbtq -- fears it could make students targets of bullying or worse. earlier today, we spoke to and lgbtq advocate for the state of florida. he pointed out and says, listen, we are here. lgbtq, trans people. they are your friends, your neighbors, your loved ones.

they are a part of this community. they are not going away no matter what legislation is put forth within the state of florida and beyond. a lot going on here. a lot to unpack. schools are basically scrambling to come up with bylaws, such as we saw in leon county to get those in place ahead of the upcoming school year. >> stephanie, as you've already noted the policy comes as -- the education law known as the don't say gay bill has taken effect. how does that change the landscape for the lgbtq plus students and staff in florida's schools? >> well, michael, this is what we are hearing now. school districts across the state are trying to figure out how do we implement this? for example, in orange county, in the orlando area, the teachers association has reported that their lgbtq teachers in grades kindergarten through three who were told not to wear anything rainbow and to essentially not put up pictures

of their family members. there are reports that in palm beach county there were a couple of books that were taken out of circulation, which had identified gender issues. there are so many different things going on right now. there is a lot in play. there is a lot of emotion. quite frankly, there's a lot of uncertainty, that there is also a lot of fear, especially among members of the lgbtq community. >> nbc's stephanie stanton. thank you very much for your reporting. here to talk about what is going on in florida state is senator johnson. welcome. it's a pleasure to have you. what steps are you and your fellow lawmakers taking to try to offset a new backlash against the lgbtq+ community right now? >> thank you so much, michael. i think what we are seeing right now is you have organizations that are working with not just ledges leaders but giving them tools that they need to show young lgbtq, to

give them the support that they need, since the school districts cannot do it. lgbtq people are more likely to commit suicide, not because of who they, are because of how they are treated. what we are seeing right now, here's the consequences of ron desantis's free state of florida, a state that is not safe for anyone that does not move and think like ron desantis and republicans in florida. with children already battling so much, it's policies like this in leon county that are out of touch and honestly, just flat out wrong. school districts should not be creating policies -- school districts have to now sidestep and deal with this new law in trying to figure out how they could make sure that teachers are not sued. >> senator, i'm an outsider,

but i have to admit, i'm not seeing or hearing about widespread outrage or protests from parents and community activists. the question begs itself. are floridians okay with this don't say gay environment that government desantis has created? >> the communities don't like it. even members of my church who are outspoken. they don't like it either. they feel as if the governor is picking on marginalized people. you've seen it not too long ago. in orange county, they had a great deal of parents, lgbtq parents who came together to speak with the school board. to make it clear that we support our children. the schools need to support their students. in the state of florida, students should be supported. we should not be dealing with parental rights and education in this manner considering the

fact that parents already have rights. the fact that republicans in florida are using this as their guides to be nasty towards the lgbtq community -- [inaudible] >> i've got a little bit less than a minute left. two points. one, how concerned are you about other school districts adopting similar guidelines? are you worried about people being so complacent that this gets inculcated and people move on from it? >> absolutely. i'm deeply concerned. i think everyone should be concerned. if you could do it to the lgbtq community, who is next? >> florida state senator shevrin jones, thank you so much for being a part of the conversation. next, it's time to head to the culture corner where we are talking about history being made in the nfl with the first

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jane mathis esquire, a television personality and mental health advocate. hello. what's up everybody? let's get into it. this is really exciting and very important. las vegas raiders hired the first black woman president in the nfl history, sandra douglas morgan. the nfl is not just male dominated, it is a major environment as american masculinity itself. so, how do you think the leadership overall is going to change that climate and conversation and culture surrounding the nfl? >> first, thank you for having me. i think that she is no amateur in this game. this is not her first rodeo. she has a very impressive record. she was the first black [inaudible] she was a former chairman for the nevada games.

she's been doing her thing practically from the get-go and a male dominated industry all around. i think she is a perfect selection. i think she's well equipped. it's refreshing to see the nfl adding such diversity. also, she did something in my opinion, very humble. in her thank you speech she actually said, i wanted to get to the point where i could lead -- [inaudible] i think that was powerful. it shows a lot of humility to say that. i'm equipped for this, but i want to give her flowers while she's here. she's competent, she's beautiful, she's trained, she's well spoken. she has leadership experience. this is going to break another barrier. she is opening the door to something great in the nfl.

>> let's hope so. richie, the reality of it is, i don't know if the nfl is really ready for this, because it stands so much in stark contrast with what is going on with the washington commanders. with they're going through. sexual harassment allegations. should some other teams be taking a page from the raiders playbook at this point? to jade's point, kind of low in the right direction before they are forced to? >> yes. okay? let's focus on the historical context. black women have been leading and corral-ing teams of black individuals for years. this is nothing new, so it's not surprising to see her in this space. considering her extensive resume and activities that the team president is going to be accomplishing, seeking advertisers, marketing the teams, brent selling ticket

prices, coordinating teams, traveler just x and more. i feel like she has the resume to do that, but it is also in her nature. i think, as black women, to be the planners, be the organizers, be the leaders of a community. to me, this is not shocking. honestly, i can't wait until we can stop saying the first this, the first that. this can be the norm. as you stated, why not add a woman's touch to a role like this? i think it's phenomenal. >> i agree with both of you wholeheartedly. i'm ready to get past that first thing. before we do, kardashian alert here. kim kardashian and kanye west, their nine year old daughter went viral after holding up a sign telling paparazzi, stop taking photos of her in a recent fashion show. folks, what is your take? we know the parents signed up for this. that's part of their life, their culture, their experience. but should the kids also be a

part of this or be left alone? >> so, this made me admire north. in my family, we have a new reality show that the kardashians started. family matters. i'm new to this hollywood life. i don't even know how to handle cameras and paparazzi. every time i see north, she does it's in such a savvy and mature way for a nine year old. she's age appropriate. she's not nasty. this was funny to me. her parents signed up for it. i actually thought, this was a class act. i can take something away from this. i hope that she has training classes, because i would love to sign up for it myself. hollywood training class. this is epic. i could use this in the future. kudos to her. i loved it. >> jade, just ignore the cameras. come on. just ignore the cameras. that's what you do, right? you're out there, brother.

you're sitting there, just another photo. >> you know what? i can't wait to see jade out holding a stop sign when she's out captured by the paparazzi. i could see it now. i cannot wait for it. i'm going to re-share it on my instagram, but when i will say is this. there is a part of me that just goes, like kids should be off limits. i understand she's in the public eye. i understand she's featured on kim kardashian's instagram, and kanye is taking to this, but for me, it's the focus on the kids. i understand that the kid is present when the photo is being taken, but let the focus be on the adults and let the kid be a kid. >> at least you didn't hold up a sign that said this. help. all right? at least that was not the sign. it's all good. it's all good. one last thing, a recent glitch on the delivery app doordash

allowed the users to check out adams without a form and payment. chaos ensued where people allegedly ordered everything from thousand dollar bottles of tequila to crowd legs, to contraception's? okay, jade, i mean this will come back to bite people in the wallet. what do you think? >> i've got to be so honest with you. my initial reaction is i was so amused. i was tickled. i was looking at the list of things, i love crab legs and i was like oh, that's not a bad idea. but as a former prosecutor give me -- it's not the final, but it's meter. i could see it -- it's about integrity. should you do this? and illegality. >> you heard that from the

prosecutor. you'll be careful out there with that legal thing. richie scott, jade mathis, thank you both so much. we really appreciate it. coming up at the top of the hour, more of that breaking news. former oath keepers spokesman said to testify before the january 6th committee. stay with us. said to testify before the cos on our jackets? -denied. -can you imagine? i want a new nickname. january 6th committee. can you guys start calling me snake? january 6th committee. cool! hey, if bryan's not gonna be snake, can i be snake? -all: no.

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