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over the decades on the side of being in alliance with the united states more than against the united states. it's now just, i guess, repairing those relations. thank you so very much for being with us. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart. follow the show online at jd balart msnbc. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. ♪♪ good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington, where the january 6th committee could be delivering more bombshell hearings after former trump white house counsel pat cipallone testified last week at a closed session in response to a subpoena. now the committee is weighing opening up their public hearings to a last-minute offer from
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steve bannon to testify publicly on the eve of his federal criminal contempt trial for refusing to honor the committee's subpoenas. among those scheduled tomorrow, a former spokesman for the oath keepers which played a central role in the coordination and execution of the capitol insurrection. just moments ago, president biden was joined by gun safety advocates at a white house event celebrating bipartisan legislation signed last month. while the administration is struggling with the grim reality, on the cover of today's "new york times" about how many in the president's own party as well as independents are souring on him. and hundreds of firefighters in california are in a desperate battle to protect 3,000-year-old historic sequoia trees from the wildfires. we begin with the january 6th insurrection. joining me now ali vitali,
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jeremy peters. and tim miller, author of "why we did it." ali, take us through what we can expect this week from the hearings and how they might open up to testimony eventually from steve bannon. >> reporter: that they're open to hearing from steve bannon. it's his openness that's new, although there's a fair degree of skepticism within the committee for obvious reasons, which is that bannon has significantly changed his tune from even just a few weeks ago calling the committee irrelevant to now saying because the former president waivd executive privilege that didn't necessarily apply bannon is now open to testifying. they do have new testimony from pat cipallone that we're going to see in the hearings this
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week, more than eight hours of testimony from cipallone speaking to key points of all the things we've heard already in these hearings. the important thing here, according to congresswoman stephanie murphy, is he didn't contradict any of the testimony we've heard already from key witnesses like cassidy hutchinson. listen. >> it provides us another perspective on what was happening in the white house in those weeks running up to january 6th that were so critically important. >> did he confirm testimony that cassidy hutchinson gave? >> i think there was a lot of information that fit into this bigger puzzle we're putting together and we have different voices telling about the same meeting and more or less telling the same narrative. >> reporter: the committee is sort of selecting its word carefully here. you'll notice they're not saying he confirmed cassidy hutchinson's account of several things he said, for example, that he said they would be
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charged with every crime in the book if trump went to the hill on the 6th or they would have blood on their hands. but they are saying he didn't contradict the testimony of prior people like cassidy hutchinson. that's important. >> there's a lot of risk for the committee with steve bannon after publicly admonishing him for refusing to testify and handing down a contempt referral. this is the eve of his trial on criminal contempt, very serious charges. he's a showman. you know, he could really turn this thing, if it's just a public hearing and they don't know exactly what he's going to say, you know, he does talk radio all the time. he could turn this into a big publicity stunt. >> since january 6th, he has been one of the biggest promoters of the false notion that trump somehow was cheated out of victory in 2020. so i don't know that the
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committee is going to get as much as they think out of steve bannon. one of the interesting things about steve bannon, as i learned when i was reporting my book, is he was not always of the belief that the election was, in fact, stolen from president trump. he thought, going back to the summer and early fall of 2020, that president trump was going to lose. he told people he thought president trump, given how he mishandled the coronavirus, was going to go down in history as one of the worst presidents in the pantheon of the american presidency. if the january 6th committee were interested in getting real information out of steve bannon, they would probably want to try to pin him down on what he really said, what he really believed during the time that votes were being cast. he's completely changed his tune ever since, because he sees a
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path to political viability, a path to future republican control in congress and of the white house in perpetuating the notion that trump was cheated. now, i wouldn't get my hopes up for any type of testimony, public or not, from bannon, because this all kind of has a deja vu feeling, to me at least. i think you saw mark meadows do the same thing. he was saying he was going to cooperate. at one point he was providing documents. then he suddenly pulled out, reversed himself and refused to cooperate. we've seen this before. one thing bannon is very good at is misdirection and obfuscation. that may very well be what we're dealing with today. >> has the trial already started? i'm not sure of the exact schedule, whether it's tomorrow or today. talk to us about the justice department handling this new agreement to testify.
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this does not in any way expunge his prior contempt. >> absolutely right. this is a last-ditch gimmick to use as a defense at his trial. as recently as a week ago, he was moving to dismiss the case based on executive privilege. he doesn't want to testify. if he wanted to comply with the committee's subpoena, he also would have offered to produce documents. this is an opportunity to give to the jury something to confuse them by saying, look, it wasn't until july that president trump waived the privilege. there is no privilege to waive. even if there is privilege, bannon is not subject to it. he violated the law nine months ago, not now. if i were the justice department, i would convict him at trial and then i would subpoena him before the grand jury to talk about the bigger sedition trial. when he refuses there, i would grant him immunity and compel him to tell the truth. >> if he really did testify
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fully, which many people are skeptical about, you've recently pointed out how much of a player he was in the days leading up to the insurrection. he was part of that war room group at the willard. >> on the evening of january 5th, the president's close advisor, steve bannon, said this on his podcast. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. >> so, tim, pick up on that. >> yeah. this is the conflict here of the committee. they want him to testify. i think there's certainly things he knows based on his private meetings at the willard with him and rudy and others who were part of this january 6th plot. on the other hand, so much of this was out in the open. you just played a quote from him on his podcast on january 5th
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that continued on his podcast on the day of january 6th and in the days that followed. as jeremy pointed out, in the last few months, here a year later, he is still the largest perpetuator of the lie that led to the insurrection on january 6th. the committee needs to be careful here. you called him a showman, which i think is generous. he's a bs artist. we already kind of know about bannon's complicity in pushing this coup because he talked about it on his podcast. there is some additional information that is still trying to be figured out about what exactly was happening in that willard war room, who were they communicating with, the proud boys, the people that stormed the capitol, was it a separate media arm? i think that would be the information that would be the most valuable coming from bannon. >> and let's talk about cipallone for a moment because he still apparently was not,
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according to stephaniemurphy, he's not willing to talk about conversations with former president trump even though the privilege has now been waived by the current president, who is the only person who can still affect privilege, as i understand it. in any case,he did generally confirm or at least didn't contradict key testimony from cassidy hutchinson. is that the way you understand it? >> yes. they were careful, as you pointed out, in the parsing of the words. they didn't said that he repeated what she said or confirmed what she said, but said it was consistent with what she said. what i think he is reserving is the attorney/client privilege that belongs to donald trump. i think if the committee wanted to get more from him, they could push it. but i think in the interest of
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timing and avoiding delay, they were willing to negotiate. i imagine tomorrow we will hear some of those snippets, but again if the justice department thought there was more there they were entitled to, they could put him in a grand jury and get that testimony from him. i think what he says for now may not be the last that we hear from him. >> you would think they would really want to know more about the january 3rd meeting that involved the attempts to put jeffrey clark in as the acting attorney general. you had so many other people in the room for that meeting in the oval office that the attorney/client privilege would not -- >> not only that meeting but also meetings with john eastman, meetings with members of congress, the attorney/client privilege would be waived with regard to those folks. there is potentially some
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untapped material that could be left to cover. >> things that he said to mark meadows and things he said to the hearing with cassidy hutchinson about don't let him go up to the hill. >> i think what we said to cassidy hutchinson would not be covered by executive privilege. executive privilege has been waived by joe biden and the d.c. court of appeals said it is outweighs by the investigation into objection. i think we're about to hear a lot of that tomorrow. >> what about the "new york times" reporting on cassidy hutchinson and the circumstances for her testimony? >> it certainly appeared rushed from the outset. i think that was inherently problematic for the committee. basically as i heard one ardent trump supporter say, her testimony and the obvious
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problems with the idea that trump lunged for the steering wheel has not only allowed trump's allies to poke holes, but it's made trump seem like a more sympathetic figure to some of his supporters, because it sounded like he wanted to be at the capitol but the secret service stopped him from doing so. there was always a big question mark why he said during that speech on january 6th, come join us at the capitol, and then he didn't bother to show up. in a strange way, the committee gave some ammunition to president trump and his supporters here. >> and ali, comment on all this. >> reporter: as you guys have been talking and making all of these great points, we've also
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been working our sources on the phone. while we started this segment expecting two hearings for this week, we now know the january 6th committee is postponing and rescheduling the hearing that was supposed to be for thursday. this could be for a myriad number of reasons and we'll keep working our sources as to why. you have to wonder whether or not all of the information they have coming in now in realtime is forcing them to rally their forces and figure out what new information they have and the best way they could possibly present it. for example, that nearly eight hours of testimony from pat cipallone, these new overtures from bannon, the allegations made by cassidy hutchinson that were so salacious and notable that the american public probably wants to hear more about it. this committee's goal has always been to get as close to the former president and those in his top circle as possible. it seems in recent weeks since cassidy's testimony, they've had more people coming forward.
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it's been tough being a pediatrician in a community where children do not want to return to school and parents don't want to send them there with the fear of a future attack. i spend half my days convincing kids no one is coming for them and they are safe. how do i say that knowing the weapons used in the attack are
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still freely available. let this be the start toward the movement of the banning of assault weapons. >> at the white house today, moments ago president biden bringing together people from previous mass shootings to celebrate the bipartisan compromise gun safety law that compromise agreement that left many democrats unhappy because it does not deal with the assault weapons used in most mass shootings. in fact, the father of a parkland shooting victim, manuel oliver, interrupted the president's remarks, protesting that the event was being called a celebration and that more needs to be done, a sign of dissatisfaction of many people. just 13% of voters saying the u.s. is on the right track. even more troubling for the president, 64% of democrats in the poll say they want a new standard bearer to run for the white house in 2024. when asked why, they cited biden's age. he's 79. the number one reason, and job
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performance was number two. joining me mike memoli, kim atkins store and clinton's school of public service dean victoria defrancesca soto. you don't often see invited guests in the rose garden yelling out to the president. >> you're right, andrea. i think in one event this morning you have a real encapsulation of all the cross currents facing this white house at this very important political moment. on the one hand, for president wanting to clearly celebrate what the administration believes is a genuine accomplishment worth celebrating. yes, the president had to sign this gun safety bill into law two weeks ago, just before he left for the nato summit. you want to have the kind of event for a piece of legislation of this nature with the lawmakers involved and with, as the president noted, so many advocates for gun safety measures who are among those
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family members of people who were killed by gun violence. they are such an important part of the advocacy that got to this point. then of course you have in manuel oliver somebody who speaks to the fact that there is great frustration that more needs to be done. now, it should be said the president himself used most of his remarks following that moment to speak exactly to that fact. he said he would not rest until an assault weapons ban was passed into law like the one he was able to pass as senator joe biden in 1994. he talked about expanded background checks and the like. also interesting to note as there is this new "new york times" poll speaking to concerns within the democratic party about joe biden as the standard bearer in 2024. just a few moments ago i was with the governor of illinois,
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there's consideration of the fact that there are some who may well challenge the president. now the fact of the president's age, he will turn 80 this november. he would be 86 should he complete a second term. as one white house official put it to me just a few weeks ago, there's nothing short of a time machine that the white house can do to change the fact that the president is as old as he is. one of the things they do plan to do in the months ahead, as they said this is something you can only show, you can't tell. the president will get out on the road quite a bit more once he returns from his mideast trip next week ahead of the midterm elections. it's that kind of public demonstration of his stamina and his skills as a retail politician that will ultimately be better and the only thing they can do to quiet that discontent rather than anything
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they can say publicly at this point. >> they've had some unintentional mistakes in messaging. you've got people that are not happy about the way he responded to the abortion decision. arguably the supreme court is the supreme court and there's nothing he can do about it, but they think the white house should have been more proactive. they still want this national public health crisis to be announced, which they are considering. i want to read something kate beddingfield said from the white house which upset some of the abortion rights protesters who were all here on saturday. she said that joe biden's goal in responding to dobbs, which was the mississippi case, is not just to satisfy some activists who have been consistently out of step with the mainstream of the democratic party. well, that precipitated a question to the president when he was starting a bike ride in
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rehoboth at his beach how is this weekend. >> yes, keep protesting, because keep making the point. it's critically important. we can do a lot of things to accommodate the rights of women in the meantime, but fundamentally the only thing that's going to change this is if we have a national law. my ultimate goal is to reinstate roe v wade as a national law bypassing it in the united states congress. i'll sign it as soon as it happens. >> the question was did he have a message for all those protesters marching and in some cases trying to handcuff themselves to the fence outside the white house. how risky is it to tell protesters to tell democrats that their only option is to vote? >> i think this shows one of the main issues that biden has, which is a failure to really see
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the urgency and act with the urgency that the american people need. i think voters understand and those who are polled understand what the white house can and cannot do. at the same time, it took some time before biden really embraced passing the roe act and getting rid of the filibuster to do that. it took a long time before the white house proposed some other federal action that even that in itself would not solve the problem of roe v wade being overturned, but it would demonstrate that the white house understands what americans are feeling. i think it's the same thing with the gun issue. joe biden is somebody who likes to talk about the economy, who likes to talk about kitchen table issues. at this point, things like reproductive rights and gun violence is at america's kitchen table. the fact that there hasn't been that urgency, the president had an entire commission looking at ways to reform the supreme court
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and they essentially shrugged and disbanded. that's what he's fighting against now. i think other challenges come with clear messages about how to address these things from the other side. >> ronald reagan faced the same problem running against walter mondale in 1984. he was an older president then at the time, not as old, in fact, as joe biden. he deflected it during a campaign debate famously by saying he was not going to make a campaign issue out of his opponent's youth and inexperience, speaking of the middle-aged walter mondale. that had a big effect. but not that easy to deflect things these days with social media and all of the opportunities to show that you're faltering or aren't on top of things or just to be slow in an answer, right? >> right. i was thinking back to the
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campaign where the issue of joe biden's age did come up, especially at the beginning. but then the framing was flipped very effectively to highlight joe biden's mature, especially vis-a-vis president trump, that was very temperamental. so this maturity that ronald reagan referred to when he was running against mondale was, in fact, a strength of joe biden. yes, there is an issue of age, but more than that i would argue it's a general anxiety in the united states at the direction of this country. look, everybody knew that president biden, if he served a second term, would be 86. this is no surprise. it's not like we all suddenly found out he's going to be 86 in seven years. it's the fact that it's a very easy scapegoat, whether there's a "there" there or there isn't,
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the age is something tangible to hang onto and point to with the frustration of the current state of affairs. >> thank you. under threat, desperate efforts to save california's famous sequoias from a wildfire burning out of control. we'll have a live report from yosemite, next. we'll have a liv set a pickup time, and jump the line! oh, here she goes! ugh, i thought she was actually gonna jump. just use this code and order on the subway app! yosemite, next
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now to theraging wildfires out west. sequoias are at risk from the wildfires. some of these trees are more than 3,000 years old. around 600 have already been forced to evacuate. cal, have crews been able to contain this fire at all? >> reporter: no, not at all, still at zero percent containment. really firefighters playing defense, trying to protect those trees. they're lighting these back blazes trying to force the fire in one direction. this is the hottest climate
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these trees have seen in their lifetime. it's something firefighters are keenly aware of as these fire seasons are burning longer and hotter than they ever have. i had a chance to talk to the superintendent of the park about these national treasures. why is it important to preserve the trees? >> they're among the oldest living things on earth. they are iconic for the national park system. they're in a very limited range here in the sierra. they're really threatened by climate change and wildfire. in the last two or three years we've lost about 20% of the whole population of giant sequoias. you can bet we're doing everything we can to protect them. >> reporter: it is that massive loss in the last two years that has officials so concerned, saying that the pressure is onto keep that fire out of that grove. >> what about the weather situation? >> reporter: so the conditions, the smoke that you see around is bad news for us because we're
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school, residential building and warehouse facilities. survivors continue to be pulled from an apartment building. the attack is part of russia's push to control the donbas region. what's the latest on recovering people from that bombed apartment building? >> reporter: rescuers are still on the ground searching for anyone who may have survived and still be trapped under the rubble or perhaps bodies that still need to be recovered. families of residents who are still unaccounted for are praying for a miracle. at least 30 people died after a five-story residential building collapsed amid heavy shelling. so far rescuers say they have been able to pull nine people out from the rubble alive. again, this is still an ongoing active situation. the initial collapse happened this weekend. russian forces are heavily bombarding northern donbas, but the u.k.'s ministry of defense
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says despite that, they have actually probably not made any major advancements. we're seeing that it is wreaking havoc on civilians. >> what about these strikes, these continuous strikes by the russians against civilian areas? are they collecting any war crimes evidence? >> reporter: constantly. when we arrive at these scenes, we have seen the first person on site was ukraine's prosecutor general going through the evidence trying to determine whether or not a war crime had been committed. i'm confident they are doing the same as it relates to these other attacks. russia's ministry of defense has not commented specifically on the attack on the apartment building, but they have acknowledged a strike took place near the area. they claim, quote, high precision ground based weapons destroyed a temporary deployment
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of ukraine's territorial defense. president zelenskyy is accusing russia of targeting ordinary citizens in residential areas, saying, everyone who carries these strikes out kills absolutely deliberately. the emergency chief of the donetsk region says four shells hit the yard. he believes they are missiles produced by russia. those missiles are capable of carrying nuclear warheads as well as conventional warheads. within those conventional warheads they can carry thinks like bunker busting munitions as well as cluster munitions. we don't know exactly what was used in this attack around this apartment building, but it is worth noting that russian forces have repeatedly been accused of using cluster munitions.
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those munitions are banned by the oslo commission because when they explode they cause a lot of collateral damage and more often than not civilians are the victims. russia is one of 11 states still producing cluster munitions. as the situation between the u.s. and russia are as bad as any time during the cold war, there's the case of american detainees. now famously wnba superstar britney griner on trial, a trial that resumes this week after pleading guilty last week to drug smuggling charges, griner has been held in russia since february. her family and friends are doing everything they can to keep pressure on the white house to bring her home. basketball star britney griner's imprisonment center court at the wnba all star game. >> selected as an honorary all
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former president trump was out former president trump was targeting a are republican senator in alaska. lisa mur cow see and a senator in nevada for the potential run president himself. despite investigations by congress into his conduct on january 6th. conduct on january 6th now being investigated into his efforts to overturn the election ask by the new york attorney general. >> it's like a third world dictatorship. democrats only see the law as a weapon to persecute their
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political opponents while they let rapists and murderists go free. we have got to get away from these political witch hunts and start focusing on making america great again. that's what we want to do. >> and joining me now is von hilliard and former republican congressman, the former president is also celebrating the wisconsin supreme court ban ing at the drop boxes pz that's very on brand for him. >> this is not defensive game that donald trump is playing. this was pure offense. despite a doj investigation, despite the january 6th investigation, despite the fulton county district attorney's investigation, despite him said to be deposed at the end of this week by lawyers from the new york attorney general's office as part of their investigation into the trump organization, this is an individual who is continues to look back on to 2020.
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you said it there. the ruling by the wisconsin supreme court last week in which they determined it's up to the republican legislature to determine the use of drop boxes in this state. over the course of this weekend, he's made the case that that was why the election was rigged and taken if him. he made the case in his own words, quote, that the electoral college votes should be reclaimed from joe biden and given to him, the actual winner. this is an offensive game here. you have a former president who is here in nevada and then as well as alaska continuing to try to press the case and persuade the american lek trot that the election was taken from him. but then you have him trying to yeez news investigations as a political prop to make the case that democrats are not focused on the other issues facing americans around the country.
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and the third leg of this is you see him with not only the leading candidate for governor here in nevada, but also the u.s. senate candidate here in nevada, but then he goes and makes his way up to alaska where he's alongside sarah palin, his back candidate for the congressional seat there, as well as the candidate running against murkowski. he's using these investigations as a way to prop up these candidates who he sees as being loyal to him in 2023 and beyond. >> david, let's talk about larry hogan, the republican governor in maryland. arguing that trump's influence over the republican party has diminished dra cltically. it's a mixed result so far. >> it is. with all due respect to governor hogan, there are the leaders and then there are the voters. and i think his grip on republican voters is much stronger than republican leaders in washington, d.c.
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but this goes to why donald trump is on the trial. not just to discredit the investigators of the january 6th committee and prosecutors in new york and georgia, but he's also 100 days a away from whether ron desantis is the heir aparent. donald trump cannot let november be be about mitch mcconnell becoming the majority leader, kevin mccarthy the house leader and ron desantis in florida, the next presidential nominee. donald trump cannot take anything for granted. i think that's what you're seeing. he's playing offense. >> let's talk for a moment about the january 6th hearings because now they are postponing. they maybe getting more evidence after cipollone and the possibilities of bannon possibly flirting with them it was very much in flux.
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>> the cipollone testimony transcribed testimony, if you will, was a product of the cassidy hitchen son hearing. cipollone had to answer questions whether privilege could be broken about what you call crime fraud, real attorneys would describe it differently. so there's a cipollone matter. but there's the steve bannon matter is a tricky one. if the committee thinks he has testimony to provide that as important, then why not do it in the public eye like steve ban font are going to want to happen. they have to play through that and war game that a bit because we know it would be a circus publicly. it's hard to say steve ban has important information, but that's a tough story to tell. >> that's clearly the case. he was there when it was all being organized when the so-called conspirators were talking about it. we have to see how this plays out. there's big decisions to make. thank you to both.
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that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." join me tomorrow. we'll have special coverage of the next january 6th hearing. this is expected to be a big one. you'll hear from an oath keeper, former spokesman for the oath keeper and we don't know what he's going to say. we'll be here throughout the whole hearing until 4:00. follow the show online on facebook and on twitter. chris jansing reports right after these brief messages. nsin after these brief messages
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good afternoon, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters. we start with breaking news. two sources telling nbc less than an hour ago that the january 6th committee is rescheduling thursday's prime time hearing. it's a fascinating development at a time when the committee appeared to be on the verge of wrapping up its case to the american people. instead, we're now looking at just one hearing that's actually on the calendar and it will be starting just 24 hours from now. what happens after that is unclear. we do know there's been lots of new testimony coming in along with new pictures. this is video from the new trump documentary unprecedented released on sunday. it's a stark reminder o