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both groups have a starring role in tomorrow's january 6th hearings as federal prosecutors reveal more on trump's inner orbit. >> after oath keepers stormed the capitol their leader called someone on the phone with an urgent message for trump. this is based on what another extremist told investigators. new accusations also include an alleged oath keeper bring explosives to d.v. on january 67th along with allegations this a co-defendant kept a deck list with the name of a georgia election official. tomorrow we'll hear from a former oath keeper spokesperson who will appear as a witness. he's expected to speak about the group's propaganda efforts and radicalization over the years, including how rhodes capitalized on conspiracy theories to raise

money. joining us now are our guests and thanks for all being here. mr. john wirth, i want to start with you. you wereo an investigator on t committee. give us a senseig of what you expect them to do with the information they bring out abouy these violent groups, and do you expect themou to connect those groups directly to donald trump or to his inner circle? >> well, i think that's what people are going to be look for is how much of a connection there is between these domestic violence extremist groups and donald trump and his supporters. i don't want to raise expectations too much. i don't know that there will be evidence of a direct coordination between them but at the veryti least i do expect the will be evidence that donald trump either knew or should have known of the existence of these

groups and that these actions could inflame the situation because there were these radical supporters of his that could potentially turn violent. >> you were filming a documentary and i know you have some video that you brought along. tell useo what you saw. we'll roll some of that as you talk s about what you saw. you were near or with these groups, with some of them on the 6th. what did you see? >> this is roger stone being escorted back to the willard hotel with the oath keepers which was unusual because the proud boys have always been his security for years, and i was really y surprised to see them. theyi escorted him from the willard and then back to -- i filmed his speech at freedom plaza here. >> okay. what we're seeing here is them at the willard hotel. we knowat that was sort of a wa room of k sorts for these -- i guessso the planning of the

insurrection. did you get a chancegu to talk any of these proud boys/oath keepers? did they say anything to you? >> i kind of know enrique. this was the third rally that most people are not aware of after trump love. my documentary deals with the two months after trump lost, and he -- you know, rudy said just say we won, so on november 14th there was a rally called the million maga march and, you know, thousands and thousand of people showed up with the trump flagspe insisting that the election had been stolen because they had been feeding them this big lie for at least a year, you know. >> and did you -- >> there were two rallies. go ahead. >> did you get the sense in talking to enrique when you speak to him that they believe themselves to be essentially an army forem trump, that they are trump's army? >> yeah. there's one -- one part -- they kept going -- the second rally

was on december 12th, and as the rallies continued, they became increasingly more proud boys and violent, and the december 12th rally there wereec four stabbin involving the proud boys, so they were really ready for a fight by the 12th, but they kept going out to the washington monument, to the mall, and praying likemo they are going t war, and it -- at one point they say, you know, we're -- we're here to stand up for trump against the stolen election so we can do our work for the next four years so, yes, they were his army. >> we know they were trading messages about providing protection for texas congressman ronny jackson. we know that based on the southern poverty law center numbers, their stats, white nationalist hate groups grew 55% in the four yearsis that trump e president, according to the splc. we know that since president obama, you noknow, was

inaugurated, you had at least four minimum wage or heat groups that were formed, 39%ers, the oath keepers, the proud boys and the boogaloo boys. talk about the existnence of president barack obama and these groups. >> one mistake that we've made over and over again from the inception of the white power movement in the late 1970s is to put much more emphasis on the differences between these groups as viewing this as a proud group of people. i appreciate impulse to sort of sort these out and trace trajectories, certainly the election of our first black president was a huge factor in the forming of these groups as has been covid, as has been the george floyd protests and blm. all of this instability to what some of these folks think of as their traditional way of life has been anth enormous soapbox r the group, but the headline here

is not only the ties between trump's inner circle and these groups, but their ties with one another. it is through major fact-finding efforts like the commission that we get the big picture of what's going on, and the historical archives tell us that that's likely to be a broad groundswell and possibly one that's not even command of trump even though perhaps he wished it to be but one that is a guerrilla army interested in the overthrow of america. >> let me ask you this because the thing that to me separates these groups, particularly the proud boys, in previous groups going all the way back as you said to the go1990s, to the clinton era, is their overt act and participation in politics. the proud boys have essentially taken over the miami dade republican party and enrique tarrio was the president of latinos for trump so is it

unique that theseno groups are h just anti-government, violent, butst also politically involved and aligned with a political party? >> that's not new because we do have precedent there in things like david duke running for president and in the statehouse race we have other white power members running for office going back to the '70s and 'will 0s. what's really new is the real possibility that they might win this way, the idea that extry. groups could rise to power within our electoral system and slowly move that system away from democratic elections and towards an authoritarian system. hered we want to be thinking about things like the buzz feed report that came out last fall that t found that 28 sitting elected officials have donated or have held memberships in the oath keepers which is just to be clear an unregulated, illegal private army. we shouldn't say militia. it is not any kind of official body. it is an unregulated illegal

private army, and it is one that has been embraced by some in our elected office. >> and mr. wood, you are running -- >> please do. >> i just wanted to say very interesting things that after januaryre 6th the proud boys, t white people sifts, the gripers, nick fuentes, patriot front which was reconstituted after charlottesville, they went into the anti-mandate movement, and they started showing up at these marges, and one thing that i heard that was so chilling pursuing to what you were saying about the political insinuating, one of them said that they were -- he said i just have a message for cnn. he said we're coming for your school boards, and the next week the proud boys started disrupting the school boards, and they had these signs saying

something about the nuremberg codes and used all of this what i call fear porn so they just morphed into whatever the next movement was but they are all the same people and they are more dangerous. the patriot front was at the march for life, andpa they were recruiting young men, asking them if they were against abortion, you know, family values, so that was -- >> wow. sobering stuff. mr. wood, you are running for office in missouri, a state not unaccustomed to white nationalist movements, klan and others. how do yout deal with this as political matter because at this point there is a portion of the republican base that is alined with this obviously. this group wasth intending in - on january 6th to try to reinstall donald trump as president by force. they had ana specific republica agenda, and republicans have been not real excited about tamping them down because they see it as at least a portion of

their base. what do you do about it? >> part of what's so sfrigtning about what's going on in our political system today is some people are accepting it as just normal that violence is being glorified in politics. you can see that in my race for the u.s. senate in missouri where the leadinge candidate f theer republican nomination eri recently came out with an advertisement in which he knocks down ah door, goes in a throws a smoke bomb and is carrying a long gun and says he's going to go rino hunting, referring to republicans in name only so he's glorifying violence against members of his own political party no less, and this is very dangerous. i'm not equating what he's doing to white nationalism. i'm notoi saying it was a racis act, but that advertisement clearly glorifies violence, and that's really wrong and dangerous. we need leaders whoea are goingo help unite us, not pit us against each other and glorify violence inag our political system. >> kathleen, this is called

fascism generally, right, when you have a movement that is both political and violent and also racist and misogynist. eric greaten, i don't know what his racial views are, but he as least dangerous to the women in his life, allegedly. he denies it, but that's the allegation. you know, howit much -- are we t alarmed enough about the factmu that we do have an active fascist movement that's taken holde in our country? >> that's for you, kathleen. >> we are not alarmed enough. there isn't a level of alarm big enough for this moment. we are at a crucible, and we really -- you know, there's only so many times we can ring the alarm. people need to take action in their communities. people need to think about how they can confront this problem. it's biggerey than the january h commission, although it matters very much how we tell this story. this is a problem that is in our schools. it's in our libraries.

it's in our communities. it's in our grocery stores, our fourth of july parades. this is everywhere and this is all of us, an the time is growing short. >> amen to that. thank you so much, john harwood ran wood, sandy bachum and kathleen balieu. if a steve bannon thought that finally agreeing to testify before the january 6th committee he could avoid a contempt trial and possible two-year prison sentence, a judge set him straight on that today. "the reidout" continues after this. m straight on that today straight on that today "the reidout mom's a1c is down with rybelsus®. (♪ ♪) in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus® this ur family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it.

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it was a bad day in court for america's "the new york post" infamous pro-trump podcaster steve bannon. a federal judge rejected his defense that he thought he was covered by executive privilege. the podcast host who was at one time an adviser to the former president but had been nowhere near the white house for years suddenly and dramatically offered to reverse course and testify to the january 6th committee on the eve his day in court. a purported claim of equip is not valid and never was. even the former president's attorney went to the mariah carey route i don't know her confirming in an interview with the fbi last month that the former president never invoked executive privilege over any particular information or materials and provided no basis

for bannon's non-compliance with the subpoena. prior to today's hearing, prosecutors pulled no punches dragging bannon's change of heart. they called his sudden wish to testify not an effort to fulfill his obligations but, quote, a last-ditch attempt to avoid accountability. with the ruling that bannon's trial can move forward trump appointed judge ruled out all sorts of defenses bannon wanted to present leaving bannon's attorney asking in court what is the point of going to trial here if there are no defenses? i mean, come on. joining me now is barb mcqueen, university of michigan law professor and an adviser to the dnc and dccc. i'll move on to what the judge said. well, actually justice department prosecutors said the defendant reported his desire to contempt does not erase his past contempt. by saying he testified, does that have anything to do with helping bannon out on this

contempt charge? >> no, joy. i think this is all a gimmick. the justice department correctly labeled it as an opportunity and a desire to just try to erase the crime he committed back in october of 2020, 2021 when he refused to testify pursuant to a subpoena. a witness doesn't get to say a week before his trial and criminal contempt oh, no i'll testify, and this letter from donald trump that says he is now waiving equip is as you said a made-up defense. he never had a privilege. if there was one, it wasn't covering steve bannon, and even if there were, it would have been outweighed by the committee's interest in investigating january 6th, so this was just a last-ditch effort to feign cooperation in an effort to confuse the jury in the trial next week and the justice department has seen through it. we hope the judge will, too. >> a gimmick, steve ban none. say it ain't so.

kurt, you know this guy. look, he -- steve bannon is either like a real good guesser or he's like the christopher rufo of archvillains, like a scooby-doo villain announcing his strategy. let me just tell you what we're doing. let me just play this. steve bannon on january 5th the day before the insurrection. here he is on his podcast. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's going to be moving. it's going to be quick. >> also, which is is it, kurt you? know this guy. is he a really good guesser, or is he the christopher rufo of scoopydo villains. >> i think it's heart, joy, and it's it up call this arrogance that he exudes this, feeling that he is above the law, that he is smarter than everybody else, that he can outplay the system and outmaneuver everybody, and now it's kind of

catching up to him here as we see the last-ditch effort to pretend like he would cooperate. not just fact that he didn't testify for the last. year and a half. didn't turn over any documents or e-mails. he's not going to cooperate. never will cooperate. i think eric swalwell put this best last night when he was talking about this. he said interviewing steve bannon is like interviewing the joker. that's what you're going to get from someone like steve bannon. this is someone who will never act in good faith and any time he does anything we should be screaming as loud as we can. it's a trap because it usually is. >> like the joker except less interesting. this -- this guy is so, as you say, kurt, arrogant. barbara, i want to put this to you because between saying all hell is going to break loose. it's going to be quick and move this way. this thing is going to happen. not going to go as you think it's going to go. said that on his podcast and two

nights before he reeled back trying to bail enrique theriault on the 4th of january out of jail where he had been placed because he had stolen that black lives matter sign. why would this guy want to bail this particular person, the leader of the proud boys out of jail? it kind of makes no sense, and why would he then turn around and say it will all break loose? to may not be the brightest bubble in the fixture but it sounds like he's a material witness of some kind, right, barbara? >> it does. >> what happened at that willard hotel war room is really crucial now to the january 6th committee and to a justice department investigation. one option that the justice department has is to convict him at this trial and then use a grand jury subpoena to make him tell his story to a grand jury there. they can compel him to testify by either serving him with a subpoena and if he were to invoke his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, they

could use immunity to force him to testify, so that's the way they treat mobsters. that's the way they should treat steve bannon. >> seems logical. let's play representative zoe lofgren ruling out this ridiculous request for bannon to go live with the committee. >> i expect that we will be hearing from him, and there are many questions that we have for him. >> would it be a public hearing or would it be behind closed doors? >> ordinarily we do depositions, you know. this goes on for hour after hour after hour. we want to get all our questions answered, and you can't do that in a live format. >> what might have bannon wanted to do with a live hearing moment? >> oh, we have no question. if bannon would get the forum of a live hearing he would use it to make had a mockery of the process. use it to attack the committee and undermine the credibility of the committee. he would lie and do everything

he can. basically he would turn his committee hearing no one of his podcasts i suspect which is why congresswoman off green is so right that's not going to happen. that's not the way this works. everyone knows who works in investigations, you are not going to throw a person out without knowing what they are going to say. he's a criminal. if not for the pardon that his benefactor gave him, they won't put him out there. >> built trump supporters by the build the wall stand. let's do a quick turn here, barb. lindsey graham has been ordered to testify in front of the fulton county grand jury in this election probe. he must testify on august 2nd. what does that mean? what do you think? >> like all the rest us he is

compelled to propel testimony. he has no special prif hedges or treatment just because he is a senator. he's a material fact witness because of the calls he made to secretary of state brad raffensperger. i think he's tried to use political bluster to get out of it. >> senators. thank you both very much. still ahead, the biden administration offers a tine, tiny glimmer of hope and reproductive care as many we'll look at more separation between church and state. we'll take a look at that look .

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purchases on your discover card. the church is supposed to direct the government. the government is not supposed to direct the church. that is not how our founding fathers intended it, and i'm tired of this separation of church and state junk that's not in the constitution. it was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does. >> you're tired of it, are you now? >> lauren boebert may sound hike she's preaching from outer space but comments like those are no longer fringe in the republican party. as the "new york times" points out the religious right has long supported religious causes but this seeks more, a nation that prioritizes its own set of christian beliefs and far right views and more openly embraces christianity as a bedrock identity, and while it may seem new, it is an effort that's been

underweight for decades. a former leader of an evangelical group has said that he recute and coached volunteers to wine, dine and entertain supreme court justices while pushing conservative positions on abortion, homosexuality and other issues. that group became part of the liberty council who says he knows nothing of like in the past the group is facing scrutiny after their vice president was recorded by a live streamer self-described as an independent journalists saying she has prayed with the justices. >> it's not really a church. >> wow. what does that mean? play with the justices? >> the woman speak diagnosis not know she was being recorded at the time. she originally denied to "rolling stone" magazine she had made the comments but after the

story was published she acknowledged her remarks and admitted she has prayed with supreme court justices and then later she responded by saying it did not rover to past comments. and it was denied that the in-personed a ming string to justices exists. but influence the group has over the court is undeniable. in the justice's decision "roe v. wade" most kroitd an amicus brief that made the lewd cross argument that they have been motivated to depress the size of the african american population. joining me now is the author of "white too long the legacy of white supremacy in christianity." robert. i'm familiar with the liberty council and go back a long way

to a lot of fights including gay marriage and same-sex marriage and abortion and even the monuments in front of federal buildings. how influential are they, and does it surprise you that they may be directly ministering to supreme court justices? >> well, it doesn't surprise me, know. i think we've seen efforts like this and very deliberate efforts, program stood up to go into this kind of influence is the use of prayer clearly follow political influence. there's the old adage the family that praise to go the stays together and that's because prayer invites the divine into a human relationship and basically says we're on god's side together, and it's only a half step from that to say god is on our side. that's why i find troubling about this and connected to an organization that's also filing

amicus briefs with the supreme court and one as you say that cited making this kind of outlandish accusation about eugenics being involved and motivating. there's a clear rink here, and i think this is deeply trouble and mis and disconnection and it does make you recoil a bit saying the use of public prayer in the highest court of the lands in an elected position that's a lifetime appointment. >> not all religious. lots of different religions pray, but this supreme court has sided very specifically with one religion, right wing commission religion, and they have ruled for them almost all the time. i think their success rate, pro religion out comes under john roberts is will about%.

even under rehnquist, who is a far right guy, it's 58 guys. that's where we are, ealy, there's not aof -- it's all from white wing christianry. >> the call is coming in from inside the house. if you go back to the dobbs decision people need to understand that the premise that life begins at conception is an overtly religious belief, a christian fundamentalist belief. it's not shared by many people of the jewish fist or people of the islamic boast or -- that make up our country. we have trying doing the twhofrmd -- you know where in a got us? to the witch trials. you know what happened? people died, but in this -- with

this fort we are not far away from that again. we're not far away from one of the engreen type of people saying i saw goody mistal speaking with the devil and helping women across the border. that is where they are going with all of this, and it's not just dobbs. it is a slew of cases that they issued last term that pokes holes in the separation of church and state and allows for the government to establish christian theocracy are over all else. >> and the thing is, you know, robe, i'm not a lawyer but even just reading as a lay person the -- the decision that alito wrote. it's rife with references to sort of old christian berristers and ideas that really strike me as very uniquely far right wing christian ideas because even some of the mild christians don't believe this stuff.

it is frightening to think that you do have a court that is making -- that is deciding what is constitutional based on their religious beliefs rather than on united states senate right now and he said this in pennsylvania. the separation of church and state was a myth he said. in november were gonna take our state back, my god will make it so. at mastriano victory party said if i'm reading articles we are attacking christians in painting us in a particular picture there is hateful and taller one of the time of day for you, law, not, law. he believes with goer and he says there is no certain separation of church and state. their church and state. >> yeah we're hearing this kind of thing out loud, being should've from the rooftops here. we see it in the data here, in

the public opinion data. for example, we asked whether people envisioned this country as a promised land for european christians who consider an example for the rest of the world. that very white nationalist christian idea was asked specifically, we have a majority of white evangelicals saying yes, that is the vision of the country that i have. when we asked about a kind of ideal era in the country, they kind of agreed with the court here, the conservative majority. they told us, 70% of republicans, two thirds of white evangelicals said that they could change for the worse since the 1950s. that's what we have here, nostalgic feel to drag the country back 70 years. it's before roe, it's before brown, that's before the civil rights act, before voting rights act. it's into the early 1950s. that vision is one that people are telling us and public opinion surveys as one that they actually endorse. you see it in normal point here,

that it wasn't just abortion, school prayer, that got attacked, it was the right to privacy, in the 14th amendment, and was the actual underlying premise of the separation of church and state and its both place in both counts. what i think is most dangerous, is that the support substituted for each of those things the idea of history and tradition that explicitly say, and they locate history and tradition in some more before the latter part of the 20th century. they explicitly say that in the decision. that's the america that's in that vision. >> i will make one suggestion, 1850s. ask about? that because elie, the thing that they are going back to is really the 1850s, not the 1950s. the time when people couldn't have abortion is because black women were bearing property, and he couldn't afford that

because it was property. black women who were midwives, we're taking midwifery work away from white midwives, so that was a later error of saying. that even a arguments are steeped and in 19th century nostalgia. i want to ask you -- coming back on that, but also on the upcoming stuff that they have. they have affirmative action coming or they're probably gonna have to tangible am, she will probably recuse because he's a good person to recuse, but you have affirmative action, voter rights, clean water act, all of that is steeped in some christians or. >> look, the colonizers came with the rod and the bible and used both as they were going around the world subjugating people. this is nothing new in terms of their sectarian ideology. the problem that you have is that when you set these christian theocratic's upon the court to do one thing.

that one thing was to eat roe v. wade, it's like a species invade species, once you set them loose, they don't stop feeding just because they got the one thing they were set to do. what we're gonna see next term is this court continue to feed on vulnerable people. minorities, are non christians. look, there is nothing in the supreme court decisions that allow a football coach to lead students in prayer. that tells me that they are going to allow a muslim school teacher to pray five times a day towards mecca. that's a point about history and tradition. it's only kind of white christian and tradition that they are again trying to impose on the rest of us against our will. >> i'm going to know the clarence thompson probably not recuse in the other case about what's coming up against whether they can legally do the insurrection. he shouldn't be able to protect the way of a supreme court will vote based on how right-wing

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