good afternoon. i am chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. we start with breaking news. the stock market has been all over the place today after we got that labor department report showing inflation is even worse than experts projected. the numbers speak for themselves. the consumer price index jumping 9.1%, a new 40 year high. will have much more on that a little later on in the program. but first, as we speak, the justice department is digging through a pile of new evidence and new testimony courtesy of the january 6 committee. three hours dedicated to make its case that former president trump was the driving force behind the events of january 6.

>> the strategy is to blame people, his advisors called, the crazies, for what donald trump did. this, of course, is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year- old man. he is not an impressionable child. donald trump cannot escape responsibility by being willfully blind. nor can any argument of any kind excuse his behavior during the violent attack on january 6. >> that is the public narrative, but for the legal case, a congresswoman liz cheney dropped a bombshell. she said that trump tried to call an unnamed witness not yet seen in the hearings. whatever details the committee has on that, they have been turned over to the justice department.

the question is, how might that, or any of the new revelations on tuesday, help the doj build a criminal case? among the stunning revelations, the unhinged white house meeting in mid december was screaming, insults, and nearly, apparently, a physical altercation. details on how the infamous tweet by the former president galvanize the right, and how evidence shows that january 6 was planned. we learned that trump even amped up the rhetoric at his speech after his speechwriters try to dial it back. according to stephen ayres, one of the thousands in the crowd that day, that's beached turned a rally into a riot. >> we did actually plan to go down there. we basically went to see the stop the steal rally. >> why did you decide to march to the capitol? >> basically, the president got everybody riled up and told everybody to head on down. so we just followed what he said. >> we have lots to talk about.

i want to bring in our capitol hill correspondent. we also have congressional investigations reporter from the washington post and a congressional reporter from politico and a contributor and former u.s. attorney and senior f.b.i. official. what a great lineup we have. give us the big picture of how the hearing tuesday set the stage for what we believe will be the last hearing next thursday. >> reporter: i am so glad you say it is what we believe will be the last hearing. this committee has shown a willingness to be flexible and add things on the fly. it is because they are working on two tracks, actively investigating, as well as actively laying out with a fountain that investigation. we have seen them pop up during the hearings with emergency hearings. what we reported yesterday is that we think the primetime

hearing next thursday will focus on the juxtaposition between the violence and chaos happening for nearly 3 hours here on capitol hill with what was going on in the white house with the former president not doing nearly enough to stop the violence, despite the fact that all of his advisors say that he could have come and should have, dunmore. it is something we saw a teaser from from the top white house counsel, pat cipollone, yesterday. >> wouldn't have been possible for the president to march down to the podium in the briefing room and talk to the nation at any time between then and the time after four clock? >> it would have been possible. >> reporter: we have covered the white house.

we know the walk it would be from the oval office to that white house briefing podium. we know what cipollone says is in fact the case. it would've been very possible for the former president to walk down to that podium and given on camera response. instead, he ended up sending a tweet and video. nevertheless, that will be what the committee will dig into next. the reason why the hedge so often when it comes to these hearings, the chairman yesterday, after the hearing, told me and a group of reporters, that when they do released the final report, there could be a hearing around that presentation too. more to come from this committee, even after we hit next thursday, which we believe is the last in the summer series of hearings. >> let's talk about that tantalizing tease from liz cheney, the possibility of witness tampering. in case anybody missed it, here is what she said yesterday. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness in our investigation. a

witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. that person declined to answer or respond to his call. instead, he alerted his lawyer to the call. the lawyer alerted us. this committee has applied that information to the department of justice. >> that is everything we know. we don't know very much. for example, was a message left? but what would the doj do to investigate this right now? what would be needed, if he wanted to bring a witness tampering case? and how dangerous could this be for the former president? >> all good and important questions. let me break it down into little pieces. for us, the witness was absolutely right to contact their lawyer. the lawyer was absolutely right to let the committee know. and the committee was absolutely right to inform the

department of justice. witness tampering goes to the very heart of what we do as a rule of law nation. we expect witnesses to tell the truth. if somebody is trying to imperative that or steer their testimony in one direction or another, that is a problem. so what does the doj do with this? that is a harder question. it doesn't seem like we know a lot. we don't know what trump wanted to convey. we don't believe there is any tape-recording. whether or not it is actually witness tampering or just a really foolish thing for the president to do, all that remains to be determined. what was the intent? maybe he told somebody who was with him when he placed the call. those would be avenues for the department of justice to investigate. i not leapt from the fact that he try to reach a witness to a conviction for witness

tampering. there is a lot of distance between those. >> this was not the first time, though, that the committee had warned about potential witness tampering. you don't need a law degree, i think, to know that you don't call a witness. having said that, we did see yesterday just how detached from reality the crazies, what the committee called them, were in that nearly violent december meeting. >> at times, there were people shouting at each other, throwing insults at each other. >> cipollone encouraged and showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> we were pushing back and asking one simple question. where's the evidence?

>> if it had been me sitting in his chair, i have fired all of them that night and escorted them out of the building. >> she said, the judges are corrupt. every single case you have done the loss? everyone is corrupt? even the ones we appointed? i am being nice. i was much more harsh to her. >> getting some sense of who was around the president in the closing days of the administration, one a lot of people may not know is if there is anyone he is still in regular contact right now. what do we know about president trump now? who is in his inner circle?

>> there is still a lot of unknowns here, despite that extraordinary seven minute package the committee put together of those who were closest to the former president in those final days, the post december 14 period after the electoral college had certified the results. and moving forward from when trump pivoted and try to seek out extra judicial avenues in order to desperately hang on to power. we know, through some of our reporting, that trump has been in contact with several of these fringe characters. he has been in in frequent contact with people like steve bannon. but more so, through his associates, the people around him. we're not quite sure whether or not he has been in touch with people like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, michael flynn, some of those figures you saw in that video. but this is a president, at the end of the day, who will, for the most part, take lunch with whoever comes down to mar-a- lago in order to kiss the ring.

he held a premier just last month where there was a litany of former figures in his orbit who worked with him in the white house, along with gop lawmakers, some of whom have been pointed out as people who sought pardons in the wake of activities involving january 6. they were there for this premier around the former president. who exactly he called, a person we have yet to see, is a really big question. we know from the last hearing with cassidy hutchinson, liz cheney put forth two transcribed messages she received from associates of mark meadows, it is reported. but again, not clear who that person is. it was witness tampering to a certain extent, though not from the former president, which is a pretty extraordinary outrage that will become fodder for the department of justice. >> one of the things we had known, and that is become more broadly field out with this

series of hearings, is how many people were willing to try to find something to tell the president, so they can tell him what he wanted to hear, whether they believed it or not. he wrote a great article about, ultimately, whoever was around him in the closing days and might be around him now, he is making his own decisions. donald trump has a history of doing what donald trump wants to do. >> right. what we're seeing now is the preemption of the argument that trump has been duped and deluded into doing all this. the through line of the last hearing was that, at the end of the day, it was still the former president trying to band the bureaucracy to his will. he issued a call to the mob, who even now appears to be reaching out to this unnamed witness.

and so, we're seeing the outlines of a case against the president. if anyone decides to take it. >> in that case, we talked before about the possible link, before this last hearing. would there be a link between the extremists and people very close to donald trump? did we get any closer to a real link? >> that is another question that came from the committee hearing yesterday. you saw people like allie alexander, michael flynn, roger stone, people who were in communication with some of these extremists, some of whom have already been sentence for seditious conspiracy by the department of justice. there is no direct link, yet, from the former president to those people.

as lawyers have pointed out, like any good mob boss, he has used liaisons to be the intermediaries. also, at the end of the day, if you listen to the whistleblower we heard from twitter, the former president doesn't necessarily need to be directly in touch with those people. he communicated with them on the biggest platform possible, his twitter account. his tweets served as a clarion call for the activation and galvanizing of these fringe figures from different parts of the country and different allegiances, such as the proud boys and oath keepers, joining forces. this was correlated and organized around january 6. the committee put up a graphic of a map of washington d.c., pointing where police were stationed. there was coordination. there was also an indication of

premeditation. a text message from kylie kramer to mike lindell and a text message from allie alexander showed that they knew ahead of time people would march from the ellipse after the speech to the capitol, and that the former president was potentially considering marching with them. we're not quite sure where they were getting the information from. >> help us wrap up the importance of the hearing yesterday. nobody can deny the fact that this committee weaves an impressive story, someone say, a scary story. it is something that really tells the tale and makes you worry about the democracy. but circumstantial evidence is different from proof. how much proof do we have? how much do you see that the justice department might be able to fill in? >> good questions.

first, i agree, the committee is telling a compelling story. it has been well presented. but they are short of the amount of proof you would need to convict somebody in federal court. that is where your evidence is challenged by the other side through cross-examination. the defense gets to put on a case. you have to prove this beyond a reasonable date to a unanimous jury. that is a hard thing to do. the department of justice has a bunch of tools and resources that the committee doesn't have. i would be very surprised if they weren't ahead of the committee in their own investigation. we're just not seeing it. so we're left to imagine what they might have and what they might do with it. that's okay. it takes a while. urged people to be patient with respect to the department of justice investigation. one last point, circumstantial evidence is fine.

the law makes no distinction between circumstantial and direct evidence. if you walk out of your house tomorrow morning and there is no on your front lawn, that is circumstantial evidence it snowed. but it is compelling evidence. you didn't see it, but there it is. you can use circumstantial evidence. you can use direct evidence. all that counts, and i am quite confident the department of justice is working towards this , whether or not they charge anyone, we will see. >> such a great conversation. i asked this really quickly. how rampant is the conversation, the speculation, about who this unseen witness is who got a phone call, apparently, from donald trump? >> reporter: i can give you a really short answer. this is the hottest conversation on the hill right now. i am asking everyone on the committee and outside of it. that is something we are trying to track down. it behooves the committee to

keep this quiet because they like to make their own news. >> thank you all very much. it is even worse than expected by the experts. inflation rising at the fastest rate in 40 years. the hit today on wall street. and fresh anger and uvalde over the video released showing the massacre. you are watching chris jansing reports, only on msnbc. ports>

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another brutal reality check today for americans being crushed by sky high prices. they are still rising, and it is happening at a rate not seen in 40 years. inflation shut up 9.1% from last year, higher-than- expected, and overall, energy prices are up more than 41% since last year. gas up almost 60% since last year. food up more than 10%. the cost of housing nearly 6%. june saw the largest monthly increase in shelter costs since april 1986. the report drops just as president biden begins his tour of the middle east, hoping saudi arabia will pump more oil and help ease u.s. gas prices. joining me now is our correspondent and the former chair of the white house council of economic advisers. start with big picture.

they were expecting an increase of 8.8%. why was it higher? >> this mix everyone question if inflation has hit the max get. much of this uptick we're seeing this past month was from higher gas prices. specifically, gas went up 11% in june from may. six of the most inflated items of food were aches, butter, chicken, milk, coffee, snacks, and butter. ice cream went up also. a new there uptick stood out, dental services with the largest monthly rise since 1995. we saw markets react initially. there was a selloff because traders are not predicting that the central bank will remain aggressive by raising interest rates, even if that means the economy enters a recession.

we are getting into green territory right now. i would like to war that we could expect volatility tomorrow because several banks are posting will be call earnings season. we really want to see how people are spending, if low demand is staying up, businesses are spending. that will be a bellwether for what is to come. >> that leads me to the obvious question, a lot of folks out there are trying to make plans. they are trying to budget. is this going to get worse before it gets better? >> some parts will get better. gasoline prices are down in the last month. that is not shown in the report today. this report did show that airfares were down for the month of june. but a lot of other things are going to continue to get worse. the question is, can the economy achieve a soft landing?

can we get to where we need to go without a recession? the answer could be yes. that is the more important question than what will happen over the next few months. >> let me talk about the statement the president put out. obviously, now that he is in the middle east, he is hoping they can ease some of the supply issues. the question is, what would make this trip a success? even if it is a success, what does that mean in real terms for the average person? >> it would be great if the saudis would actually start to increase their production of oil. that we show up in prices. that was show up at the pump a few weeks after that and help continue to keep prices, gasoline prices, lower. that would be a great at outcome.

>> we have worse than expected inflation. decide what the administration is doing so far is it working. >> it absolutely is a reason to do everything you possibly can. most of that is the job of the fed. they are moving really aggressively. their moves take some time to work through the economy and bring inflation down. the things they did in june, of those will be working through the system. the best thing the administration could do at this point is have congress passed deficit reduction legislation inside that into law. you can also do climate investments and other things, as long as you are reducing the deficit. >> one of the things mentioned was people still borrowing. what are you expecting? >> the fed will raise rights rates, possibly more than

before. but most of the borrowing costs for actual households have already been priced in. mortgage rates already went up because they expected the fed to raise rates. i don't think borrowing costs for households will go up that much more. obviously, they are already a lot higher than they were eight months ago. >> a tiny bit of good news. good to see you. inflation is fueled by the pandemic. today there is a dire new warning from the top official from the world health organization. here is the quote. the virus is running freely. he says it is still a public health emergency, and it is not being effectively managed. right now, in the u.s., 26 states are seeing an increase in coronavirus deaths in the last two weeks with may maxing a jump of more than 500%. and 30 w. states are seeing an increase in total cases with the highest jump in

pennsylvania. also right now, we have some wild images from around the country that illustrate just how bad the current heat wave is. it is so hot in tucson, arizona, a porta potty melted. parts of lake mead in nevada have completely evaporated. this is a world war ii era boat that used to be submerged beneath 185 feet of water, and it is now exposed. in san antonio, 105 degrees yesterday. those triple digit temperatures expected to last at least through today and part the texas, colorado, california, and arizona. coming up, new outrage. the families of victims in uvalde already felt the questions were being ignored. the new anger they have sparked by devastating new video from inside robb elementary. today some families are joining families from highland park in washington. what they want now. you are watching chris jansing

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in washington right now, families from highland park, uvalde, and other communities forever changed by gun violence have been marching behind a common cause, a ban on assault weapons. in the last 30 minutes, we spoke to a boy who survived the uvalde shooting about why he is marching. >> so no one has to go through what i have gone through at school. >> how did you feel when that happened? >> i felt sad. most of my friends passed away. >> oh boy. in uvalde this hour, new video has escalated the anger. families frustrated at an especially heated city council meeting tuesday after 77 minutes of video was published. families were supposed to see most of it until sunday. the mayor attacked the media,

and some in the crowd thought that plane was misplaced. >> it is pretty [ bleep ], in my opinion. my opinion >> we warn you the video, which nbc has not independently obtained, is disturbing to watch. it shows scenes outside the school from a hallway inside, body cam video, cellphone video, and 911 audio. captions are added and audio removed, including the sound of children screaming. another chilling moment, a clear view of the gunman walking with his rifle, flipping his hair, all before unloading 2 1/2 minutes worth of bullets into classrooms. in a terrifying moment, cameras captured a child actually spotting the shooter before

running for his life. i want to bring in antonia helton from uvalde. this was something. you are watching it unfold in real time. tell us about what happened and how intense it was. >> reporter: it was really painful to watch. so much anger right there on the surface right after the release of this new surveillance video. as he pointed out, it was interesting to see that the mayor of uvalde seem to be angrier at the reporters for releasing the video earlier than expected that he was with the officers who are seen in the video. as you heard in that clip, residence shot back at the mayor. stop attacking the media. they wanted to see more accountability from law enforcement who serve this

community. there is also some anger at the reporters he did publish this. families were expected to see it at a meeting scheduled for sunday morning. even though it has been seven weeks, it is not easy to process this. they were calling family members and telling them not to go online. this is hard to stomach. you see the gunman enter completely unobstructed. it doesn't look like he is nervous about law enforcement pursuing him. you see police officers reaching for hand sanitizer. stuff that is so understand when you know that children are being murdered at the same time. take a listen to one mother. >> they didn't do nothing. i can't get her back. why didn't they go in there? i don't know why.

>> reporter: nbc news has reached out to law enforcement. over the last several weeks, they have consistently defended themselves. the police chief said he fought hard to get into the classroom. people have described officers as putting themselves in the line of fire. i think we can all expect they will face serious anger and calls for accountability right now. when you look at this video, that is not exactly the sense you get. offices retreating and more than in our passing by. we have known since calamine, in these moments, it is critical for law enforcement to immediately approach the shooter. that is certainly not what is seen in this video. we will be right back. right back. right backyeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator.

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today we consider a series of warnings emerging from three

hours of january 6 testimony yesterday. there are people who may be trying to intimidate witnesses. far right followers of trump don't just believe the big lie, but have shown they will respond to a call to arms. and us, from a former oath keepers spokesperson. >> i do fear for this next election cycle. who knows what that might bring? if a president is willing to try to instill and encourage, to whip up, a civil war among his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, what else is he going to do if he gets elected again? all bets are off at that point. >> he also warned the january 6 was just a glimpse of what the vision of that group is for america. ben collins joins us, who covers extremism on the internet.

social media, we saw this laid out, was instrumental in spreading the messages. what are we seeing online now? >> those same forms that helped organize these things, the one that came up in the hearing yesterday, 4chan, are still around. they don't talk about the hearings. you jesse culture war issues about hunter biden and pronouns and transgender rights. they are fully moved on from donald from. what they will do, if they feel there is a new main character they can plug in there, like cassidy hutchinson, someone they believe to be a soft target to attack on the internet, they will attack them and try to make the whole thing

look like a sham. but in terms of actually listening to what is going on here, that is not something that is happening in these forums. >> do they still feel that democracy was stolen from them? we think of the internet as this murky place where extremists can hide and talk to each other. but over the july 4 weekend, we saw a group called the patriot front marching in boston. do they see the biden presidency as a setback? help us put what is being heard, maybe not by them, in these hearings, in the context of where their mindset is in the danger they might pose. >> the extremist train has left the station. whether it needs donald trump remains to be seen. they have formed into groups. they still feel like they are fighting for either their race, in terms of groups like patriot front, or for what they believe,

like the new world order. there are people like donald trump who will be messengers for that exact talking point. he's maybe not the best messenger for them now. that is something they will decide in 2024. the larger groups remain. they are growing in the spaces because of social media. they have only doubled down since january 6. >> i was we heard at the top from the former spokesperson from the oath keepers, his question, what happens if donald trump gets elected again? this hearing was about extremists, but there are awful lot of republicans, including republic and leadership, who still have the back of donald trump. >> absolutely. we're having this conversation about extremists, but there are a lot of republican still in office and still working on campaigns and going on fox news and pushing against what we are

fighting with the committee. the. we have to be careful not to label this just an extremist issue. ust an extremist issue. >> one threat is the extremists who believe the big lie, but what about the idea about how potentially blatant, some might argue, idiotic, it would be to try to tamper with a witness in the middle of the hearings? no former president has been indicted for criminal conduct before. how much do you think doj is weighing whether it is more

dangerous to do that or not to do it? >> that is certainly part of the calculus that doj will engage in. they have to consider whether a prosecution is within the national interest. at some point, that calculus of evidence, the scale of evidence against the former president become so horribly out balanced in favor of guilt and a multiplicity of criminal conduct, that doj simply has to act. of course, if you're looking at witness tampering, we don't know what the evidence is. all we know right now is that a phone call was placed to a person. we don't know the identity of that person. but if there is clear evidence of witness tampering, even independent of all of the other misconduct by the former president, it becomes imperative for the justice department to prosecute trump, just like it would any other defendant or target in a criminal case who tries to tamper with the witness. to not do so would be to

fundamentally and balance the system of justice. >> potentially, something will see more of. may be more clues to that next thursday. one other major aspect of the story is the kind of threats we know were pouring in after donald trump called people to d.c. jamie raskin read a bunch of examples. >> some of the online rhetoric turned openly homicidal and white nationalist, such as, why don't we just kill them, every last democrat, down to the last man, woman, and child? and, it is time for the day of the rope. white revolution is the only solution. >> the committee laimbeer the threat posed by racist ideology , but the question is, is anyone surprised? we knew it was there. how does that information get used, and how do we make it

worth something? >> we make it worth something in the fact that the sitting president new these threats were happening and then poured gas on the flames to ensure this actually did happen. we don't know the worst that could have happened. i want to be clear, this is not going to change a lot of minds of republicans on how they will vote in 2024. i do hope that, in addition to potentially prosecuting president donald trump, i do hope the hearings give enough evidence to folks who want to save democracy to say, we have to put guardrails around here and show up and vote. we have to talk about the national security threat this is

. the right-wing, right the premises, ideology that has infiltrated the republican party. >> there are still other threats. but politico reports and another one apart from january 6. breaches aided by local officials. so similar question. how do we counter that? you can, for example, sending a message by prosecuting be a strong deterrent? >> it can be and i think that's d.o.j.'s intention here. of course they already have a task force that's focused on this. but one of the problems we've seen, quite honestly, has been whether our legal system is focused on these issues in a way that can protect the architecture of our election systems. we've seen issues where even poll workers have been confronted with violence simply doing their civic duty as citizens and participating in

elections. this will take a forceful campaign by the justice department to convince people it's absolutely serious about protecting both election officials and election workers if we're going to move forward. >> thank you all very much. and coming up, they've listened to every moment of the january 6th hearings. the reactions from the group of capitol police officers in the hearing room next. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. only onc with diet and exercise, and nothing worked. there was just kinda this stubborn area on my stomach. but coolsculpting worked for me! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates , discomfort and swelling. you've come this far... coolsculpting takes you further. visit coolsculpting.com

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before we go, we want to acknowledge the capitol hill police officers who were fighting against the insurrectionists on january 6th. several of them at the hearing on tuesday listening as the committee and witnesses described how armed extremists planned to attack the capitol and one said "we police officers in a pool of blood. one was beaten so badly, he suffered permanent injuries, forcing him, we learned yesterday, to leave his job as an officer. jamie raskin spoke directly to him after the hearing.

>> sergeant, we wish you and your family all the best. we are here for you. we absolute you for your valor, your eloquence and your beautiful commitment to america. i wonder what former president trump would say to someone like sergeant gannell who must now go about remaking his life. i wonder if he could even understand what motivates a patriot like sergeant gannell. >> and then there was steven ayers, the self-described family man who answered trump's call to come to d.c. and following to the capitol. he no longer believes. he went to widows to shake hands and hug some of them. 14-year harry dunn talked about it on this network last night. >> it caught me off guard. and, you know, good for him for apologizing but, you know, he

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