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we will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously. >> the panel has not yet revealed who that potential witness is or what they may testify to but it does signal the panel is acutely aware of what donald trump and his allies might do to try to stifle their investigation, which has shown the lengths to that donald trump went to to stay in power. yesterday we learned of a late-meeting at the white house, four days after states certified their election results, which should have been the end of the line according to attorney general bill barr's testimony. inside the oval office was a group of outside advisers. liz cheney called them the, quote, crazies, including rudy giuliani, michael flynn and sydney powell and patrick burn. they were there to pitch donald

trump on executive order to seize voting machines and appoint sydney special counsel. the group was alone for ten to 15 minutes before white house officials like pat cipollone intervenes. what followed what a six-hour screaming match that almost turned physical. >> i don't think any of them provided the president with good advice. so i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. flynn kept on standing up and turning around and screaming me. at a certain point i had it with him so i yelled back. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i'll put it another way, you're a bunch of [ bleep ]. i'm not exactly sure where the

sidney group went. i think maybe the roosevelt room. and i stayed in the cabinet room, which was kind of cool. i really liked that. all by myself. >> he was very interested in hearing particularly about the terms of 1384-a that apparently nobody else had bothered to inform him of. >> quite an ad for die dr. pepper. >> the committee said trump turned to another last-ditch effort, to come to d.c. to protest. this time was january 6th. be there and be wild. the panel called this donald trump's call to arms. in evidence that included drafts of his january 6th speech, it shows that he always planned on telling the crowd to march to the capitol. even though it wasn't in his

final prepared text, the organizers of the stop the steal rally knew he would still say it. the panel hoping to convince americans that donald trump was well aware of what would ultimately happen that day. joining me now is nbc news senior reporter ben collins, jake sherman and former u.s. attorney and michigan law professor liz mcquaid. donald trump personally called a witness. are we getting anything more on who that person might be? was there any indication they knew what trump might say if that call was answered? >> so we are hot on the trail here, katy, to find out who this witness was. we've been asking all of our sources and it appears to be a relatively small circle of people who know who this witness was. now, bennie thompson, the chair

of the january 6th committee told us last night he does not anticipate this person will be testifying. so that just leaves a whole pile of possibilities given that we know many people are helping behind the scenes and only a few people, the tip of the iceberg so to speak, are actually testifying publicly. it could be one of dozens and dozens of people and mr. thompson was asked last night whether they knew what the president was calling to say and they said they just turned this information over to the justice department, they've been in touch with the justice department about that phone call and that's really all he said. but i can tell you that we're really working this hard to try to figure out who it was. and remember, this is not the first time we've heard that, katy. we've heard that other people in the president's orbit called or texted cassidy hutchinson before she was slated to testify.

so this was not unheard of in any -- i mean, it's horrible and potentially illegal theoretically, but it is actually it seems in this investigation to be somewhat commonplace by the former president's allies. >> so, barbara, our friend chuck rosenberg sent a note out pumping brakes on calling it witness tampering. he said there's more that needs to be known to definitively call it that. from a legal standpoint, what would your assessment be? >> well, i agree with that. you'd have to show not only that trump reached out to somebody but that he had the intent to interfere with their testimony for a wrongful purpose. and the mere fact that someone placed a call alone probably isn't much. but i do think there are facts that matter here and so further investigation is the appropriate thing to do. is this a person who ever received calls from donald trump in any other context? he's never called me before but suddenly on the eve of my

testimony, the timing will matter. is it the day before the person is testifying? i think there are a number of questions you would want to ask. i think ultimately if there is a pattern of this activity that could amount to proving that sort of wrongful intent, if you have other messages like donald trump reads every transcript, you know, he'll be watching, you need to be a loyal team player, i mean, this is the way witness intimidation is done. it is not done in the heavy handed way of you better lie or else. it's a crime to intimidate a witness, not just to threaten physical harm. i think while chuck is right, there's not enough there yet, there's certainly enough for further investigation. i also think one more thing, katy, that saying it out loud the way they did yesterday is a very interesting move. often you want to keep quiet in an investigation so you don't tip off the subject that you're investigating. instead liz cheney said it loud and clear. she said i think, donald trump, we're on to you, knock it off and she was suggesting to the public, there's a consciousness of guilt here.

people believe people not to testify if they believe the truth will be damaging to them. >> this is not a court of law. this is congress doing a hearing and trying to convince the american brick that donald trump is dangerous and that he tried to overturn an election and he is anti-democracy. ben, you and i watched the entire hearing alongside each other. and there was one thing that stood out to me -- a lot of things but one thing in particular yesterday and that's the stop the steal rally. who knew what when? donald trump in drafts was talking about sending his folks to march to the capitol. that was subsequently taken out of drafts. but yet at the same time, the organizer of the stop the steal rally, and mike lindell, the my pillow guy, both knew that donald trump would say it, even though it was not in the final text. i asked congressman stephanie murphy, who was one of the questioners yesterday in the january 6th panel doing this questioning how they still knew that. here's what she said.

>> how did they know this? is there a phone call between either one of them and somebody within the white house, does the phone log show that donald trump had a conversation with mike lindell about this in the days leading up to january 6th? how did they know that he was going to say it? >> well, with lindell, katrina pearson is the one who e-mailed him, i believe, and said this is what the president is going to do. as it relates to ally alexander, i don't know. what i do know is that the president knows who ally alexander is and has spoken about him in previous meetings to the january 6th. >> what do you make of that, ben? >> well, it appears in the last couple of weeks before january 6th he was much closer with his coms to the crazies, as liz cheney put them, than he was to his regular advisers. at some point you have to ask the question how could he not know that the violence was going

to happen? you know, these people are tied in closely to the oath keepers and the proud boys and they are very -- they were very up to date on what he was going to say in a way that people inside the white house weren't necessarily up to date. things that were taken out of speeches, they knew he was going to say that day. those things that wound up getting people moving towards the capitol and eventually storming the capitol, only the people with access to the oath keepers and access to the proud boys, people who used the oath keepers or proud boys as private secured or lived with them, like roger stone, they knew this was happening and the adults inside the room, in quotes, did not know this was happening. how is that even possible and how could donald trump not know at this point that violence was inevitable on that day? >> january 6th seems to have popped into donald trump's mind at the end of this wild oval office meeting, ben, where sydney powell and mike flynn are

trying to get him to seize voting machines and name her special counsel. nothing seems to come out in that immediate aftermath except donald trump gets the idea to say all of my supporters should come to the ellipse on january 6th. were they always planning to go there on that day or that was a day that donald trump pulled out? >> that's still one of those million dollar questions that's out there. but everyone seemed to get the bat signal, right? women for america first, one of the big groups that was planning stop the steal rallies and rallies like that moved their event up two weeks to january 6th. a lot of other groups that were planning some disparate protests oralies moved them all to january 6th. the bat signal went out january 6th was the day and that was the day of certification. i think the goal was to find some evidence in their minds or make up some evidence of some

voter fraud. that's how you have people like ruby freeman are getting like relentlessly harassed by people around the white house to try to get her to become a patsy so they could bring that to the table on january 6th. when that didn't work, all they had left was violence. >> less talk about the oval office meeting with mike flynn and rudy giuliani and the overstock.com ceo and then pat cipollone rushing in and saying who the heck are you to the overstock.com guy and saying these people were not giving the president good advice. you know, i don't really know what to say about it, jake. i was speechless as awatched it. what has the reaction been where you stand? >> so, it is just stunning, having covered other white houses, this one and the obama administration, that anyone would get within a mile of the

oval office without some sort of vetting process. you heard sidney powell say she was hoping to get a one-on-one meeting with the president and wasn't sure if he could do so and eventually did. the interesting thing to me, katie, is mag he is the missing link between this clutch of people, rudy giulianis, sydney powells and mike flynns and the president and pat cipollone. meadows, i would assume, knowing how the white house worked was somehow aware of their presence there. cassidy hutchins seemed to testify to that in some sort of shape or form. i'm wondering when we're going to hear more about meadows and his role here. i was talking to a source earlier who made the point that those 187 minutes that the president was silent or mostly silent during that insurrection,

the attack on the capitol, the committee was going to try to prove that there was an intentional too there, doing it to foment the situation and the attack on the capitol and is thusly culpable for what happened on january 6th. i imagine we're going to see that next week, that's the topic of the hearing next week. . we should hear more about that and theoretically mark meadows -- remember, meadows turned over a lot of documents before he dropped out of cooperating. >> a lot of text messages. barbara, if you're in the d.o.j. right now, if you're merrick garland, can you give us an idea of what you think they think they might be thinking? >> always hard to speculate but after the last hearing, merrick garland said they were watching them. i would be trying to investigate

whether you can connect up the activity with the oath keepers and proud boys with the friends of warriors at the hotel. i would and we saw the video of roger stone taking his initiation with the oathkeeters. there's a phone call with bannon on january 6th in the morning. the day before he says "all hell is going to break loose." it sure does suggest that there is coordination there. at the moment it's still only a suggestion, still only circumstantial evidence. i would want to tie that up. that's what i would be looking at if i was the justice department. >> how much of this could be defended by saying i have free speech, barbara? >> i think there are two things. one, if you can make that connection that this was a planned attack, you could supersede that seditious

conspiracy indictment to add trump or anyone else in the planning. and the other thing is there a potential clause against donald trump for manslaughter. he has a duty to take care laws are faithfully executed and to call off that mob. instead he sits idly by. i'll be looking for evidence of that in the upcoming hearings. >> thank you all very much. the latest inflation report reveals what many of us already know, that prices are still rising. and twitter is suing elon musk. can they force him to follow through and buy the company? then outrage and frustration after surveillance video of the police response were

accomplished before the families were able to see them without the world seeing it first. >> they're suffering and we're suffering, too. these are our babies, our babies that were taken from us. so to the person who leaked it, screw you. [whist tng] screw you.

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tech correspondent robin kent. jo, tell me what relearned from this report. >> all of the essentials you need to live life are more expensive. eggs being up by 43%, fresh and frozen chicken up 20%, butter and margarine up 26%. flour even is up 19%. while these numbers do reflect only a sliver of the month of june, the good news is we have seen fuel prices come down some but not a super significant decline. and so maybe we've seen peak inflation, maybe we haven't, but you can bet that the federal reserve is looking very closely right now at not just this june inflation report but commodity

prices overall when you talk about wheat, flour, all of those essentials. but overall people are feeling inflation very acutely and even if it has peaked, if that is the good news here, which we don't know, even if that's the case, this doesn't mean people are hurting any less. if you look at wage growth overall, inflation is still outpacing how much people are getting when it comes to their paycheck. so this is a really difficult position to be in and wall street thought it was going to be 8.8%. it came in at 9.1% and the thing i want to underline here, katy, that is so, so important for everyone, is fuel prices were up year over year 98%. and that is almost twice how much fuel was a year ago and that drives so much of what we see in terms of these price increases. transporting the good, getting it to the grocery store, driving to work. airfares. so all of that is all mixed in

to why we see prices going up 9.1%, the worst since 1981. so, you know, we hope it's the peak. don't know. >> so the white house, robin, said that core inflation is down. what do they mean by that? >> it's hair splitting at this point. i think if you poll a man on the street, woman on the street, you take kind of a holistic misery index, no one would imagine we're still creating hundreds of thousands of jobs a month. they would say we're in an economic calamity, whether you want to call it inflation, recession, stagflation. if you strip out volatile food and energy prices, it ain't so bad. he does have a point, biden. this is kind of rear view mirror looking. we've seen a decent decline in gas prices, yes, it's not at the $3 level but if you're already hearing on trading floors this morning the once unthinkable

taboo of a full point rate hike is not off the table. that's something businesses and markets will have to contend with. >> if the fed does raise rates a full point, what's that going to mean, robin? >> i don't know of the precedent of it raising a full point. last week we were talking about how shocking it was to go up 3/4 of a point. we haven't had that spirit since 1994. it was a brutal time for wall street but it was short lived and greenspan brought back the roaring 90s after that. there are risks for credit shock and emerging places that have dollar denominated fed exposure. i don't think the fed would come out and blindside people a full point. you'd hear more about inflationary measures, the market with start pricing that

in with the bond market and stock market and credit. we're worried about layoffs, look and preemptively think a reception or a spike in interest rates is ahead of us. that can force a lot of behaviors. >> you know there are companies considering it right now and wondering what they might do once a recession comes, if it is inevitable. next time you want to quote "hotel california," i hope you'll do it in song. >> of course i will for you any time. >> jo kent, thank you. >> and in d.c., thousands are gathered for a rally to end gun violence. we'll also go live to uvalde after surveillance system from inside the school was leaked. anm inside the school was leaked

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kvue is hard to watch it's emotional and maddening as well. it begins with a panicked call from a teacher. the video then goes back to the shooter walking inside the school carrying a weapon, a child emerges into the hallway behind him and runs away. just as the gunman opens fire into a classroom. gees. within minutes members of law enforcement run into the school toward the classroom. they're fired on, they fall back. more officers arrived armed with weapons and ballistic shields. they fill the hallway but instead of acting and engaging the gunman and going into that classroom, they wait. at one point somebody gets hand sanitizer and cleans his hands.

the video you saw was supposed to be shown to the families of the victims on sunday, shown to them first. instead the families are reeling from the content of that video and also because they saw it in public much sooner than they expected. >> i don't know why they just didn't go in there. i just don't know why. >> it was the worst thing i could possibly see. joining me from uvalde is correspondent antonia hylton. >> there is so much hurt and anger here last night. people were grappling with the release of this new surveillance footage. it's kind of a push and pull here. some people, their rage is focused on law enforcement and what they see happen in this video. you mentioned an officer reaching for hand sanitizer. at another point an officer

checks his cell phone. and for some folks there's anger after reporters who published this video. they expected to see this here with state officials from texas. and many relatives started getting texts and calls saying don't look at the news, don't watch twitter. on one hand they wanted this out. on the other hand it's very hard to know video of your child's last moments of their lives is out there for the world to see and dissect. listen to a conversation i had with one local pastor who lives here in uvalde and has been meeting with the families. >> it confirmed to me personally, that these police officers, every single one of them, every single one of them

cowards. they had all their body armor, all their body armor, yet on the other side of the wall, can you hear the gunshot. there's children, two beautiful teachs are getting killed. and these guys did absolutely nothing. >> reporter: they're trying to protect themselves in. >> that's what i asked the mayor last night. what's the cover up, mr. mayor? what's the cover up? why did he say if i talk i go to jail? why are they covering up? 19 innocent children with the two teachers. >> reporter: the pastor was really struck by that moment where we saw an officer reach for hand sanitizer and wash his hands. people here in the community see that as almost metaphorical of some of the behavior of law enforcement, that they wash their hands of this, that people haven't come forward and taken full accountability for what happened in this community. nbc news is out for comment from

law enforcement officials but they've defended themselves. officials describe the police officers initially as having shown briefry and put themselves in the line of fire. now we look at this surveillance video, katie, and that is not what we see here. we do not see people putting themselves in the line of fire. over an hour goes by and it's really hard for our team that's been covering this for weeks to make sense of all of this. >> and tonia hylton, i know it's very difficult to be there. picking up with antonia left off, they patted themselves on the back and said if not for the

brave action of officers that so many more kids would have died that day, as if 20 kids, 19 kids wasn't enough as it was, wasn't already a terrible thing. seeing this video, i just -- i struggled to watch it without feeling a lot of pain. what is it like out there? what is it like for the families? >> it is pretty horrific, katy. our team at the "texas tribune" reviewed this video about a month ago when we were able to get ahold of it. >> we're having some issues with zach's connection. it's freezing up. can we reestablish with him, folks? it sound like they got ahold of that video about a month ago.

i would have liked to have hear about the reason they had for not releasing it before the family saw it. if we get it back up, we'll go right back to zach. and washington, d.c., families from uvalde joined families from highland park, illinois, to call for more action against gun violence, calling for a national ban -- a national ban on those weapons that have killed so many americans, especially recently. joining me now from washington, d.c. is nbc's maura barrett. a national ban on assault weapons. it's very hot there today. what did you see from that march? >> reporter: katy, over the last couple of hours we saw a group of several hundred people forming a group of march 4th, 4th as in july 4th. they formed just a week and a half ago after the mass shooting in highland park, texas and they came here in washington, d.c. to

have meetings with lawmakers and march on the capitol, as we saw earlier today. like you said, a very hot day but they spoke here initially. we heard from people at the highland park shooting. i spoke with a mother who brought her two kids to the parade ready to celebrate america. as she described it to me, on a moment's notice they were running for their lives. she lost track of one of her kids and her husband. she spoke about the fear they felt that in america, this is acceptable. this is something that people are allowed to do. that's why we hear them calling for the federal ban on assault weaponons. as one other mother put it to me, this isn't about taking away second amendment rights. kitty, who organized this march, said she believes in the second amendment but this is to make sure that murderous weapons, as she puts it, are not in civilians' hands. they marched on to the capitol chanting "enough is enough" and

as we were walking back, i met a young boy, 10-year-old jaden. he was a survivor of the uvalde shooting. he watched his teacher get shot and killed and watched some of his friend die as well. i asked him why he wanted to be here today. take a listen to this conversation. >> so no one has to go through what i've gone through at school. i was in the robb school shoot-out with miss garcia and miss ellis. >> reporter: how did you feel when that happened? >> i feel sad because most of my friends passed away. >> reporter: incredibly brave to hear from this 10-year-old little boy who experienced this and who is now asking lawmakers to make a change. i asked him what he wants people in power to do. he said i want people to make us feel safe. i want people to have to stick with their families so nothing bad can happen to them. in the mind of a child, being

around grownups makes you safe. but from what we saw in that video, those grownups did not protect those kids. when we talk about something we heard earlier today, senator duckworth pointing out, good guys from guns does not protect from bad guys with guns. that's why we see the group and back with us is zach despot, politics reporter for the tribune. you guys got ahold of that video. why didn't you release it? >> i did want to underscore it is a horrible thing to watch and i caution people you don't have to watch it, you can read the stories. i've described exactly what happens in it. what i did want to underscore based on what we had seen and reported is we have done and many others have done a lot of reporting about the local police, the local police chief, peter arredondo, the mistakes he

made and what you see in the video is so many different law enforcement agencies, state, federal, that also respond to the scene and also are not decisive in ending it. a lot of the focus about reporting agencies, what about law enforcement agencies, what is their reasoning for not acting more decisively to end the shooting any sooner than the 77 minutes it took? >> is there any talk right now about accountability for these officers? any talk about an investigation leading to charges, either civil or criminal? >> there's not talk about civil or criminal charges really. certainly about how to reform going forward. the school district has placed chief arredondo on leave.

i'm not sure if he'll ever return there again. there are questions of how do we reform things to make this not happen again. this is not about one officer who didn't do the right things. >> and what about the gun talks in texas? maura was just saying it's one of ted cruz's argument. there were many guys in armor and they didn't stop one crazy kid. is anyone even broaching that conversation in texas right now? >> if you're asking like legislative solutions like gun control, not really. that's sort of been politically dead in texas for a long time. there are discussions about something like a red flag law that other states have attempted to do. there may be more support among this. the question is do republicans

here support that because they control the legislature and the statehouse. possibility there. in the past few sessions [ no audio ] it's been to expand guns and not restrict it. >> thank you, zach, in this world of face timing. we appreciate it. coming up, what the courts might force elon musk to do. and president biden threatened to treat saudi arabia like a pariah. so why is he headed there to meet with the crown prince, the man behind the infamous murder of a "washington post" journalist. infamous murder of a "washington post" of a "washington post" journalist

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deep and he visited the holocaust memorial and met with holocaust survivors. and recently he took a stronger line on iran when asked about whether he would use military force to keep iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. take a look at that. you in the past say you'll do anything, that you insure -- >> that was the last resort, yes. >> reporter: the president said he's committed to keeping the revolutionary guard on the foreign terrorism organization list, even if that means he wouldn't get that iran nuclear deal that his administration has been trying to negotiate. also he said that he wouldn't be disappointed in 2024 news if it

were a rematch between he and former president trump. the president talking a little bit about 2024 but really focused here on this trip. and as you noted on the start of this, he is going to and the hot topic there will be oil. >> carol, thank you very much. and twitter is taking elon musk to court. . musk backed out of a $44 billion deal to buy twitter, claiming it withheld data about the number of bots and spam accounts on the platform. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk has more. >> hey there. this feud has been simmering for weeks. after announcing he was going to buy twitter for more than $44 billion, elon musk says he's changing his minority. twitter taking elon musk to court. the social media giant suing him

for $44 billion, in an effort to enforce their original merger agreement. the suit coming just days after musk announced he was backing out of the deal to buy the company for the same amount. twitter calling the deal he signed no no longer serves his personal interests. musk, appearing to risk on in a tweet, writing simply, oh, the irony, lol. the world richest man, no stranger to controversy. this week, escalating his long running food cute with former president trump slammed musk for backing out of the twitter deal. >> so he is a weak. >> musk tweeting, i don't hate the man but it is time for trump to hang up his hat and sailed to the sunset. the public sat between the billionaires comes at the spacex ceo faces a possible setback on his quest to put

humans on the moon and moores. one of the boosters for his starship rocket burst into flames during a test in texas on monday. potentially billing plans to launch the spacecraft by the end of the year. musk tweeting, yeah, actually not good. and just last week, business insider reported musk welcomed twins with an executive at one of his companies in november. citing court documents nbc news has not reviewed the children, allegedly born only a month before he had a baby girl via surrogate with his former partner, grimes. while musk has never confirmed he is the father of nine children, he tweeted, doing my best to help the under population crisis. a collapsing birthrate is the biggest danger civilization faces by far. a message echoing what he told the wall street journal last year. >> people don't have more children, civilization is going to crumble. mark my words. >> reporter: is this what you have some the children? >> set a good example. practice what i preach. >> reporter: nbc news reached out to musk's office at tesla

for comment about twitter's lawsuit and did not immediately receive a response. back to you. >>'s stephanie, thank you. up next, stars being born. the incredible images captured by nasa's web space telescope. .

the year is 2022. scientists around the world are poring over the stunning series of images captured by the web prame space telescope, our first real look at the far reaches of space. 1 billion years back in time. here's nbc news correspondent, jake ward. >> you're looking deeper into space than any human ever has, new images from the $10 billion

james webb space telescope reveals shows stars of being born stars dying, and galaxies dancing so intimately they will soon merge. last year, as nasa was packing it up for lunch, project manager bill oakes was still sweating the telescopes details. >> we have about 323 on a 40 single-point set of items on this satellite. a single thing that could go wrong and ruin it. >> reporter: but it worked. james webb now has its array out. >> reporter: along with scientists from the 14 partner countries that contributed, he is celebrating. >> now it is like , >> reporter: the telescope is in position right now, about 1 million miles away from us, and it is held there by the simultaneous gravity of both the sun and the earth. plus, it is capturing images many times larger and more detailed than its predecessor, hubble. if hubble established black

holes, could web establish livable planets? >> what you just said, planets that potentially could have life as we know it. >> reporter: these images are just the first. until it's fuel runs out in about 20 years, webb will shows incredible things, starlet, billion years old. the hidden surface of nearby world. distant planets were humans could conceivably walk and even breathe. nasa scientists revel in this moment. >> it isn't hard to explain what we are doing. you just show people. you say oh yeah, that is what we are doing. >> reporter: unimaginable views of the universe, delivered to human eyes for the first time. jake ward, nbc news, nasa goddard space flight center. >> it is just so, so cool. also it is great to be in the studio right now. that is going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our

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