msnbc.com/mavics are. that's msnbc.com/mavericks or search bridgers melber on youtube and get the whole thing and tell me what you think or who else we should have on from the music and culture space @arimelber. who else should we be talking to in the culture, let us know and keep it locked because "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. ♪♪ >> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i received his goal of all of this to keep trump in office but when he began acnoning that wasn't enough voter fraud to overturn the election, i witnessed him start to explore potential other loopholes more extensively. >> mark meadows witnessed every aspect of the plot, and a new report says that trump's lawyers

believed meadows will be the fall guy, but what, if anything, will the doj do about trump? also tonight, security footage from uvalde, texas reveals more of the inexplicable lack of action by police as children were being murdered. plus, we will share some astounding ignorance about the female anatomy from the very republican lawmakers who are using congressional hearings to cheer on the post-roe state abortion ban. one of the witnesses joins me tonight. but, first, we start with the breathtaking body of work that the select committee on the january 6th attack has presented thus far, and it is damning. what we know seven hearings in is that trump knew that he had lost. he was told so over and over again, that 81 million americans voted for joe biden but trump who spent his life bending if not break the law decided to take matters into his own hands.

surrounded by yemen and what fellow republicans called the crazies, trump pursued three avenues to try to stay in power. first, the courts, a traditional and totally legal route which bore no fruits. second, a mafia-style pressure campaign on swing state lawmakers which had mixed results and then, third, the violent route of incopyright an angry mob to attack the capitol to pressure mike pence and the so-called rinos to play balanced budget amendment on january 6th, those three strategies converged. >> three rings of interwoven attack were now operating towards january 6th. on the inside ring trump continued trying to work to overturn the election by getting mike pence to abandon his oath of office as vice president and assert the unilateral power to reject electoral votes. this would have been a fundamental and unprecedented breach of the constitution that would promise trump multiple

ways of staying in office. meanwhile in the middle ring, members of domestic violence extremist groups creed an alliance both online and in person to coordinate a massive effort to storm, invade and occupy the capitol. finally in the outer ring, on january 6th, there was a large and angry crowd, the political force that trump considered both the touchstone and the measure of his political power. >> the committee's dragnet has been so methodical that it has exposed the potential criminal liability of individuals who aided and abetted trump's coup. those individuals include his chief of staff mark meadows, middling doj official jeffrey clark and supposed constitutional lawyer john eastman. the committee's evidence is so strong that a california district court judge accused eastman of being aware that his plan violated the electoral count act. dr. eastman, the judge said, likely acted deceitfully and dishonestly each time he pushed an out come-driven plan that he

he knew was unsupported by the law enforcement yesterday we got a glimpse of meadows's own criminal exposure when we heard his assistant claiming that he knew that meadows couldn't sell the big lie so he put his full force behind a constitutional loophole even though he knew that people were armed and that, as he himself said, things could get really, really bad. unfortunately for meadows with trump, no good deed goes unpunished. according to "rolling stone" which spoke to eight sources familiar with the members, members of trump's legal team are actively planning certain strategies around meadow' downfall including possible criminal charges. the mag scene is also reporting that trump in recent weeks has casually mentioned in conversations with some of his longtime associations that he didn't always know what meadows was doing. mr. meadows might be joining john eastman on jetsoned island and the former president has begun distancing himself from eastman claiming he barely knew

him. three unnamed sources told the magazine that trump's legal team advised the former president not to discuss eastman in order to limit potential legal exposure. meadows did try to overthrow john baron as speaker in 2015 and would meadows do what he did back then getting down on bended knee begging trump for mercy? meadows is in this situation because of the committee, full stop. the committee's work has been so thorough, revelatory and explosive that it sometimes feels like they are showing the department of justice how it should be done so what's taking so long? why isn't the doj out front? according to the "new york times" the shocking testimony of cassidy hutchinson jolted top justice department officials into discussing the topic of mr. trump more directly. at times in the presence of attorney general merrick garland and deputy attorney general lisa monaco. one of the most prominent and well-respected prosecutors in

the country andrew weissmann wrote a critical piece in the "new york times" slamming the department's bottom-up approach to investigating the january 6th insurrection saying their strategy is the wrong approach for investigating the january 6th insurrection and that the public hearings of the january 6th select committee should inspire the justice department to rethink it. joining me now is katie fang, msnbc legal analyst and host of "the katie fang show" on msnbc. and joining us as well is glen sykes. i want to start with you. you have this situation where it's clear that donald trump at some point on do december -- between december 18 and the meeting with all the loony tunes and some members of his actual real governmental consultancy, the legal people around him, he -- he realizes that there is no where else to go and he somehow decides we're just going to do a wild protest on january

6th. you see all the violence. let's play a little bit of this. when he does that tweet, this is what immediately happened on social media. take a look. >> now donald trump is calling on his supporters to descend on washington, d.c. january 6th. >> he is now calling on we, the people, to take action and show our numbers. >> we're going to only be saved by millions of americans moving to washington, occupying the entire area, if necessary storm right into the capitol. >> you better understand something, sop. you better understand something. that red wave. it's going to be a red wedding going down january 6th. [ bleep ] you better look outside. you better look out for january 6th. keep that [ bleep ] door open. look down the street. there's going to be a million-plus geeked up armed americans. >> more on the frightening

responses. why don't we kill them. every last democrat. the average democrat is a traitor. they do not care about election fraud. the punishment for treason is death. day of the row. white revolution is the only solution, and they literally brought a rope which we now know through ben collins' great journalism that's what day -- that was sort of an indication of day of the rope. donald trump did all of that. donald trump caused those people to say those things and post those things, not mark meadows so how could it be that mark meadows becomes the fall guy because everything he did was done for the president, donald trump? how could mark meadows be the fall guy when all that i just showed you was trump's doing? >> mark meadows can only become the fall guy if the department of justice lets him become the fall guy. should he be charged for his crimes, absolutely, but does that mean the department of justice should stop at mark meadows? absolutely not. donald trump is the hub, of the

hub and spoke conspiracy that i've been talking about, including on your show for a very long time. donald trump is the hub for which all of these criminal spokes raidated. you know, we heard about this battle royal in the oval office with team normal. the folks that passed for adult in the trump administration and the crazies, the kwannion people, the powles and giulianis and you got the sense from listening to the evidence that everyone in the room knew that there was absolutely no evidence supporting these absurd claims of election fraud. none of it mattered to donald trump because at the end of the day it was by any means necessary. he was going to retain power, so in the early morning hours at the conclusion of that meeting, he sent the tweet setting the date for the capitol attack, and all that was left was to try to

violently stop the certification of joe biden's win. meadows can't take the fall for any of that. he bears criminal responsibility but, you know, the criminal buck has to stop with donald trump. >> right. katie, if you were mark meadows' attorney, at one point per pat cipollone's testimony, meadows agrees with him that the election is over, agrees with him that there needs to be a peaceful transfer of power, that trump needs to concede. meadows physically walks rudy giuliani out to keep him from going back into the mansion. meadows understands, according to cassidy hutchinson, understands reality. he is not rudy giuliani. he's not the kraken lady. he understands reality. at some point he makes the turn for looking for constitutional loopholes. he's not doing that for himself. he's doing for donald trump. donald trump has a conversation on the eve of the attack on the

5th of january, one at 2:00 in the morning after which bannon says all hell is going to break loose. who is talking to meadows who is talking to donald trump, and so if you're meadows' attorney, at what point do you stop defying the 1/6 committee and start cooperating and maybe even take a walk over to the department of justice and say, look, if they are going to throw me under the burks i'm going to throw trump under the bus? >> well, the real question that needs to be answered is that conversation already happening with the doj which we don't know and anybody who is a polluters that know a lot behind the scenes that we don't know about. the name of the game is leverage. who holds the cards with the most leverage, and at this point in time it is mark meadows. he has his own independent exposure for voter fraud allegations from north carolina that has nothing to do with what's going on. >> correct. >> but the point you made in the intro to this segment that makes

the most sense. there was a culmination on 1/6 of several threads. pulling on each one of them will bear fruit. some of them are stronger than others. i've yet to hear direct evidence linking donald trump to what happened, and what i mean by that, we have -- >> that is why that fulton county investigation has more teeth at this point in time which is also why all of those qanon crazies still give

exposure to donald trump. that as we know the intent of donald trump was clear. he was told time and time again there was no voter fraud, and that is exactly what will ultimately be the downfall for think. may not be, i'm sorry to say it may be an unpopular position to take, joy, but it may not be the 1/6 event itself, the insurrection itself on capitol hill on january 6th. >> well, i mean, if that's the care, i'm going to come back to glen in a minute. i want to get charlie sykes in here. here's the thing, if meadows is exposed criminally based on what we know now, if the members of congress who asked for pardons must feel like they were criminally exposed that asked for pardons because they were in on the meetings that had to do with fake electors, if lindsey graham is fighting the subpoenas in the georgia case saying he shouldn't have to go, i've got some kind of qualified immunity, he's literally saying can you find a way to mess with the number of votes that you're counting that might be helpful

to the president? he's exposed. charlie, help us understand why any of these people would be willing to take the fall and potentially go to prison and leave donald trump chilling in palm beach? >> well, that's the proposition we need to test, don't we, and that's why you have to start bring criminal charges. you know, you go back to -- i hate to keep bring up watergate, but a reminder you had 40 members of the nixon administration that were criminally charged. >> yeah. >> you had john ehrlichman, h.r. haldeman went to jail. the attorney general of the united states went to jail. the white house counsel went to jail, the vice president and president were forced to resign. in part that was because you had an aggressive independent prosecutor and you also had a federal judge that squeezed these defendants for more evidence, so that's what's going to have to happen. look, nobody is going to take mark meadows seriously as the fall grow because he was the totti in chief.

he doesn't have the clout, but he was in the room and the more people that we have in the room who will tell you what donald trump said and did not say, the stronger the case is going to be. i guess i want to disagree a little bit with katie about no evidence linking donald trump to the various incidents. we have the tapes. we have donald trump on tape down in georgia. we have people who are describing conversations that take place in the oval office, and i hope we don't get so numb by the fact that this conspiracy took place in broad daylight to think, well, we don't have anything. you know, donald trump called the mob. donald trump pushed the lie. i completely, by the way, agree with andrew weissmann's piece. anyone who hasn't read that should because the point he's making is the department of justice needs to see this as an ongoing conspiracy, hub and spoke, and i think they will have a very, very strong case if they pursue that. if they learn the lesson of the

mueller investigation which is you must be aggressive. leave nothing on the table, and -- and that's what i'm hoping is going to happen. you said something a little bit earlier. that i wanted to underline. this committee really is putting on a master class for the department of justice. they are step by step laying out the road map for these criminal charges, and they are doing an absolutely masterful job. the question is whether or not merrick garland and his team are up to this kind of challenge. >> i wish we had more time. we'll bring you guys back. we'll keep the debate going between kate and glen. i want to say one final world. the only reason richard nixon didn't go to prison is because gerald ford pardoned him. let's just remember that get out of jail free card. thanks so much. the leak of the security video from the uvalde school shooting and the troubling

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emotions are running high in uvalde, texas, following the leaked release of surveillance video from inside robb elementary as a deranged gunman took the lives of two teachers and 19 children. according to uvalde officials, the video was meant to be seen first privately by family members of the victims this weekend. it led to a heated city council meeting yesterday where the uvalde mayor attacked media outlets who published it and got some pushback on where his anger should be directed. >> the way that video is released today is one of the most chicken things i've ever seen. >> the mayor said chicken. it was chicken bleep bleep. >> we're going to handle that. >> adam i'm not going to get into an argument with you on that. >> wow, we'll show you some that

have surveillance video edited by the austin american statesman and kuv. we now know what happened inside this classroom. this video of what otherwise looked meandering is infuriating. we think it's important for to you see. not only does it show the shooter entering the school facing no obstacle but the utter failure of these law enforcement officers and officials to act as teachers and students were dying in the classroom and calling out for help. 30 minute after the gunman entered the school the first 911 call was made from inside one of the classrooms the gunman was in. you can see in the video there are multiple officers in the hallway not only with shield but also with long guns. the same young girl calls 911 again seven minutes later and says multiple people are dead. now you can see law enforcement with a second shield in the video. she calls again, three minutes later, and even more officers are in the hallway, but, still, no action.

she calls again at 12:16 p.m. this time telling dispatchers that there are eight to nine students still alive and, again, nothing happens. a different girl in the other fourth grade classroom calls three minutes later and hangs up when another child tells her to. at 12:21 shots are heard on another 911 call and police moved down the hallway. you can see how many office remembers there with a variety of weapons and tools, but they still don't enter the room that the gunman has been in for nearly 50 minutes. there was time, however, for an officer to stop to use some hand sanitizer, clearly a priority. at 12:36, the first girl who called 911 called yet again saying that the gunman shot the door. less than ten minutes later she asked the dispatchers to send the police now not knowing that there was a whole contingent of officers, as you can see, literally right outside her room. at 126r7b8g9s 47 the girl

repeats her plea to come and save them and finally 77 minutes after the gunman entered the school gunfire from police could be heard taking out the shooter. joining me is the former chief homeland security and intelligence for washington, d.c. he was also a first responder following the shooting at sandy hook elementary. darnell, it's always good to see you. i want to walk back through this video with you since you're a professional and i'm somebody outraged by watching that video. let me play this first piece. these are overs running away from the classroom where shots are fired. walk us through what they did wrong here. what should they have done? are. >> well, they weren't familiar with the landscape and they encountered heavy fire. they had no cover and so at that point you have a choice of fight or flight. they chose flight, and they gave up that hallway.

once you give up that location to a shooter, to re-enter that requires tactics and will power that it appears they lacked for quite some time before some other individuals decided to go down there. >> let's do another one. you can see people in this video advancing on the classroom where the shots are coming, from and officers with long guns are out front followed by officers with shields. explain that and whether that is right or wrong. >> well, i mean, this is just general confusion at this point, so, you know, we -- we've talked about -- i've been our your show several times saying how the chief said he wasn't in charge. that's clearly the only truthism that we see that's being spoken. didn't seem like anyone was in charge, and so generally when you have a barricade situation like that with an armed assailant and you're waiting for

shields which the chief told us he didn't have. he also said they didn't have long guns. we see those are both not true, the individuals going down range in this particular range, in the hallway, should be stacked up behind the shield bearers. that's a typical basic formation that's taught in tactics. that's why you have the shields, not to run behind somebody in the back, and it just shows just from looking at that video that they weren't organized. you stack up behind two, three, four deep if you have only one shield behind the shield bearer and you have long guns behind them. this just speaks to the chaos that you and i speak weeks ago. we just seal that for our own eyes now. you don't have to be a trained professional to see that. >> if you did that in the military, you would lose all your men. that's strange. this is the third with you. officers who you can see in the video ducking for cover when the final fire fight begins with the

shooter. we're going watch that now so they are ducking for cover, and i guess at this point and the feds are now doing the hard work. what do you see here and what do you make of it? >> the kt it seems like everyone on camera was shocked that there was shooting. there's no command and control and no coordination that they were making entry. all of those people milling around trying to figure out what happened. should i go down, should i not? there's no leadership. this whole scene is devoid of command and control. what i think is interesting is that i'll take the police chief at his word and the accounts that we heard that he was situating for a s.w.a.t. team and some individuals, apparently federal law enforcement, decided to look at training and their instincts kicked in and not wait for all those. that wasn't coordinated it seems like with some of the other

folks down range and that's everybody is scrambling and ducking being surprised there was shooting. being that it was such a chaotic situation and no command and control that the chief acknowledged himself that the federal law enforcement aren't beholden to the local. they aren't at the chain of command of the state or local so they have the ability to take control on their own and it seems like that's what they did and what saved more lives. had it been up to the chief they would have been waiting for around who knows how long. >> and it does appear, some of the stuff he said was not true or a lie. he said they couldn't get into the doors. the video shows that ain't true and just put one back up again just to show you the officers running down the hall. what a -- maybe going -- there

is the saying that all it takes is a good guy with a gun. if you could put up two. there's a lot of good guys with guns and they did absolutely nothing. what does it saw about needing an armed security guard in school, one skurpt guard and they didn't do. when it came to fight or flight, they chose flight. >> a lot of good guys, a lot of big guns, shielded them, armament, a lot of things others in the school didn't have. i said this before and i'll say this again. if the armed trade professionals are having difficulty meeting the needs and meeting the

challenge of an active assailant, what would you expect a second or third grade teacher to do? it's preposterous. we've seen this over and over again. there needs to be structural changes as to how schools are secured clearly and this tape really speaks to a lot of those things that you and i have been speaking of for weeks. >> in the parkland shooting the armed guard ran the other way. come on, give me a break. women's anatomy 101, no, no, no, gentleman. a woman's stomach is not involved in any way in reproduction. i cannot believe i had to just say that. we'll be right back. i had to jt

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during a senate hearing about the impact to reverse the decision of "roe v. wade," questioning from senator josh hawley clashed with a professor over inclusive language. >> you refer to people with a pregnant capacity as women. this isn't a women's right issue. >> we can say that it impacts women and other groups. those things are not mutually exclusive, senator hawley. >> so your view is the core of this rights then is about what? >> so i want to recognize that your line of questioning is

transphobic around it opens up trans people by violence. >> wow, you're saying i'm opening up people to violence by asking whether or not women are the ones that can have a pregnancy. >> this line of questioning about what defines a women, we say it a about bit, it's gerransstanding about being anti-trans all tied to reproductive justice in this post-roe america over bewilderment over what constitutes a pregnant human being. lawmakers across the u.s. learn nothing about how abortion, pregnancy or even how human bodies work. >> if a child is halfway delivered out of birth canal, is it permissible to have an abortion, would you support the right for an abortion then? >> i can't even fat yom that. >> from what i understand from doctors it's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

>> can this same procedure then be done in a pregnancy following swallowing a camera and helping the doctor determine what the situation is? >> mr. chairman and representative, it cannot be done in pregnancy simply because when you swallow a pill it would not end up in the vagina. >> fascinating. >> that certainly makes sense, doctor. >> ah, yes, that's right. these are the people, mostly men, who are legislating how women live in our own bodies, questioning medical experts and doctors, mostly women, about what pregnancy or an abortion is as congressman jody heiss did at a house hearing today >> is there any instance of a woman giving birth to something that is not a human being, a babe, like a turtle? >> more on that truly bizarre hearing next. stay with us. a turtle? >> more on that truly bizarre

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political discourse around abortion care and its importance has devolved into some petty and offensive exchanges, let be clear, led by republican men like congressman jody heiss of georgia who asked the president and ceo of the national women's law center fatima gauze graves if women could give birth to a turtle or a taco, seriously.

>> is there any instance of a woman giving birth to something that is not a human being, a baby, like, i don't know, a turtle, or as our first lady suggested a breakfast taco? i mean, is there any instance where other than a human being has been born? >> well, there are definitely instances where people have stillborn. >> it's still a baby. it's still a person. it's a question of personhood, that's what i'm getting to, and there's not an instance that i'm aware of of someone giving birth to something other than a person. >> see, that right there is just one example of republicans' line of questioning at today's health oversight committee hearing focused on the impact that roe's reversal has had in states where abortion is or may soon be illegal. one of the witnesses called to testified was mallory mcmorrow who told congress the situation

in her state is dire. as a 1931 trigger law that would ban abortion, no exception, hangs in the balance. senator mcmorrow joins me now. senator, i thank you for being here. we've had you on before because you have had the experience that many of these doctor most of them women have, trying to patiently explain to men who think that the stomach has some relationship to giving birth and, you know, that no women's anatomy, go back to seventh grade, so i wonder if you could just speak to the frustration that you had to have arguing with men who don't really understand human anatomy about abortion rights. >> i mean, all of this is just so insulting, and it's flat out gaslighting. it's like republicans never fathomed that roe would actually fall and they are not prepared for this moment and we came to testify about very real concern that women and families and anybody needing to access abortion care are having right now and they are asking if women

have ever birthed a turtle. it's flat out insulting to half of the population of the country, and it's just absolutely disgusting. >> and it politically makes no sense, right, because they are essentially arguing -- they are arguing the unimportance, that women don't really matter enough for you to even know what -- what women are, like how our bodies work, but can you make these laws. talk about the law in your state. this is a 1931 law when women barely had any rights of property. couldn't open bank accounts on their own, no right to birth control. women were essentially barely better than property, and that's the law that's going to come in. can you describe this law a little bit? >> exactly, and it's even worse than that. this law was originally written in 1847 and was substituted in 1931 to make it a felony. providing an abortion in michigan is a felony without any exceptions inclusion rape or

incest. doctors, medical provide, that's women, girls and the only thing standing in the way of that going into effect right now is a temporary injunction which our republican colleagues are currently spending taxpayer dollars to override to force the 1931 law into effect. >> you were asked today by representative jackie speier about a procedure that you had when your iud punctured your uterus similar to that of an abortion. talk, if you don't mind, and i hate to bring the situation up and you were asked about it today in the hearing today. talk about that because they are coming for birth control, too, correct? >> yeah. and -- and it is important to talk about, so after i had my daughter, i had an iud placed, and that iud punctured through my uterus. it's a very rare occurrence, but i had to have it surgically removed and i had a laparscope and d & c system in my hospital. that hospital system which was

not religiously affiliated said they would operate under the 1931 law as soon as dobbs came down which means that a d & c is an abortion procedure. they don't know if in a post-roe world they might not even teach that procedure. if you need emergency medical care you won't be able to get it even in a situation like-mile-per-hour. the ramifications are so broad, d & cs and ectopic pregnancies, ivf. him packets everybody. >> yeah. let me just go through here. a michigan petition that now has 750,000 signatures for a november ballot initiative to ensideline reproductive rights in the state constitution. that's good news that people are fighting back but we live in a world where an ohio 10-year-old child had to travel into indiana to get an abortion because she was raped, and the response on the right on fox news and in their newspapers like "the new york post" was to essentially

call that story a lie. there's now been an arrest in that case. the story was not a lie. when people won't believe that a 10-year-old child has been raped and essentially said that 10-year-old must give birth to the rapist's child, i don't know how you compromise with people who think that. how do you deal with people who think like that in your state? >> we -- we have to call it out. this is the frustration of just straight-up gaslighting for everybody who came out of the woodwork and said this story is made up, fabricated and a lie. in the same way throughout our hearing today, every time somebody brought up an ectopic pregnancy republicans said that's not going to be affected, that it's not an abortion. they are telling us the impact of dobbs and what it is and they won't listen because we don't matter. we need to make that explicitly clear to everybody circulating the ballot initiative and everybody going to the polls that if you are in half of the population that give birth you don't matter to these people.

>> they have made that very clear. they have made that very clear. michigan state senator, mallory mcmorrow thank you for all that you do. hope you'll come back. thank you very much. coming up next, president biden kicks off a trip to the middle east which has brought some memorable and sometimes bizarre moments for his predecessors. stay with us. e moments for his predecessors stay with us

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middle east are often fraught with political leaders trying to navigate geopolitics. that's how we got those photo ops of donald trump touching a glowing orb with saudi royalty. and even participating in their mail only sword dance. while donald trump took his relationship at the saudis to the extreme, even defending them after the murder of this journalist, he is far from the only president who has had to maintain a relationship with them. it is a challenge that president biden is embracing as he breaks -- he arrived in israel, getting a briefing on their missile

defense systems, and visiting the holocaust remembrance center. tomorrow, he will meet with israel's leaders. on friday, you will meet with the palestinian president, and then fly from israel to saudi arabia, where things will get even more complex. biden took a strong stance on saudi arabia during his campaign, saying he wanted to make them a pariah. with growing problems at home, and with russia's war in ukraine affecting the oil supply, he's been put in a tough position. by an op-ed, he released a report on the murder of -- and issued new sanctions. but he stressed that, quote, from the start my aim was to reorient but not rupture relations with the country that has been a strategic partner for 18 years. as president, it is my job to keep my country strong and secure. we have to counter russia's aggression, put ourselves in the best possible position to outcompete shine a, and work for greater stability in a consequential region of the world. to do these things, we have to engage directly with a country that could impact those outcomes.

joining me now, a professor at the city college of new york and editor at large. one of my favorite people to be on television with. peter, it's so great to see you. you know i'm a super fan with, you i will not stop fan drilling for the whole time. talk to me about this. the thing about the middle east is that it come towns every president. you have the israel piece where you had -- who was murdered. and you had -- likely at the hands of the crown prince. these two countries had us in a box. they had both of our presidents in a box. biden has now inherited it. what do you make of the challenges that he has to do in both countries where they're talking about these american journalist that were killed. >> i think the problem with his middle east problem is a little bit like the problems with his domestic policy. he talks in both cases about democracy and believes in democracy but i think he has gone into a set of outdated assumptions that prevent him

from really fighting for democracy and end up strengthening authoritarian forces. he is going to israel. israel is a vibrant democracy environment for jews like me -- palestinians in the west bank cannot become citizens, even though they are totally subject to his military. they can't vote for the military that controls the live. they need permission to travel around. there is a place called -- where thousands of palestinians, where their homes are going to be demolished. israel can do that because they are not citizens, they don't need to pay attention to the needs. biden can say that we give israel three billion dollars we don't want our money being used for this. this is not human rights, this is that democracy. he's facing similar issues in saudi arabia. he does not need to talk about sending offensive weapons to saudi arabia, after they have just wrecked yemen, and created one of the worst humanitarian disasters in the world. we have to have a relationship in saudi arabia, and with

israel, but we don't need to have unconditional hear no evil, see no evil relationships with them. if we do, that then we strengthen authoritarians. >> the thing, is what is more challenging for biden is that all of this is happening while he is saying all the right things on ukraine. that is being suggested for territorial ambitions, something he does not talk about when it comes to israel and the palestinians. and like you said, it is being subjected to a vicious war, which is the situation in yemen. both of the countries that he is visiting, now they could align with his rhetoric in ukraine. but because of the geopolitics, and especially the economics when it comes to the saudis, just to be clear, he's likely not going to do it. >> and it hurts us vis-à-vis russia, it hurts us vis-à-vis china. the test of whether you believe in democracy and human rights is where you stand up to russia's illegal, brutal aggression in ukraine. and they say, oh, that is funny. we would like an exemption on

this one because you seem to have an exemption when it comes to israel and saudi arabia. the same human rights organizations that you sites to talk about what russia is doing in ukraine, they have also called israel an apartheid state, and then give you unconditional military aid. that really undermines our efforts to promote human rights, even in places like ukraine. >> it is interesting. i want to play a clip for you. biden is in line with this guy, but it is interesting to see the way that the other party talks about the world. john bolton says something so wild that we wanted you to respond to. this is john bolton about coup d'états. >> it is not an attack on our democracy it is donald trump looking at for donald trump. it is a once in a lifetime a course -- >> i don't think i agree with, you with all due respect. when does not have to be brilliant to attempt a coup. >> i disagree with that, as

somebody that has helped plan do coup d'état. not, here but other places. it takes a lot of work. >> this is literally a -- i'm going off script here. you know everything. but quds has this guy done? >> probably, he's referring to venezuela. we think. this is actually -- the united states have been responsible for a lot of coups in our history, it's something that oftentimes american politicians do not like to talk about. but especially in latin america, we have overthrown a whole series of democratic election governments, because we felt that they were not pro american enough. what is appalling about what he did, is that he is so sure that he has totally impunity from this. nobody is going to haul him in front of congress and say, wait a second, what are you talking about? you can still go on the media and have these friendly conversations. the international criminal court should be looking into this, except that the united states has tried to destroy the

international criminal court. now we have to revive it just to work on russia. the impunity that is really bothersome here. >> it really is, just as a global matter, all of these kinds of things do not have credibility around the world. thank you very much, we appreciate. that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight, on all in. >> i saw sydney powell, the overstock person, i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> team normals top lawyer finally come to terms with reality. >> can you give a direct answer, will you accept the election? >> i have to see. i have to see. >> tonight, committee member jimmy raskin on pat cipollone's revolution, and trump's culpability for all of it. >> president trump is a 76-year-old man, he is not an impressionable child. >> then, why trump's lawyers think