live shot of los angeles this morning. welcome back to "morning joe." it is 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. we've got a lot to get to this hour. president biden is on day two of his trip to the middle east. meeting with israeli leader this is morning. in an attempt to calm fears of a possible nuclear deal with iran. it comes in advance of his controversial stop in saudi arabia. we'll bring you the very latest. also ahead, the latest on the war in ukraine. our weapons supplied from the west helping. we'll be joined by james stavridis to break down the latest developments.

plus inflation surged to a new four-decade high last month as rising prices continue to squeeze household budgets for every day americans. we're going to get a live report from the white house on the administration's reaction and what they plan to do. and outrage in uvalde, as families condemn the release of surveillance video from robb elementary school where their children were massacred. we'll get the latest from texas. willie. a busy hour ahead. but we begin with the latest on the january 6 investigation. and the revelation from the committee that former president trump tried to make contact with a witness. a source telling nbc news that the person is a member of the white house support staff. liz cheney said trump called the witness sometime after the bombshell june 28th testimony of former white house aide cassidy hutchinson. cheney said the person declined the call and then reported it to

his or her attorney. the lawyer then alerted committee which in turn alerted the justice department. that person was concerned because he or she is not someone who routinely communicated with the former president. when asked to respond, trump spokesperson pointed to a tweet criticizing congresswoman cheney but not answering that question. so jonathan lemire, a little sleuthing here. we'll find out sunshine enough who this witness is. but white house support staff could mean a lot of things. but as you pointed out on "morning joe," there weren't that many people left around the white house at the end. >> if this witness had firsthand knowledge of the former president's behavior on january 6 that is a short list. we know that trump isolated himself in this private dining room just off the oval office. he spent hours there watching the television coverage of the insurrection. even cheering on some of the violence. and rewinding some of his favorite parts. this call that he made to

whoever this witness is came just days after liz cheney warned people to not do just that after cassidy hutchishson had received some intimidation from other members of trump world. so it is not clear that we'll hear from this witness next week. bennie thompson did not think it would be this potential hearing, which is the last one on the schedule from now, one week from today in prime time. but the committee has suggested there could be more if need arises and there is some talk of even having a couple of last hearings at end of august. so that all remains to be seen. but certainly this is another thread to pull here for the committee and potentially the department of justice. >> all right, lawyers for senator lindsey graham are asking a federal judge to throw out a subpoena issued by the district attorney in fulton county, georgia. this comes after a judge on monday ordered graham to testify before a special grand jury

examining former president trump's efforts to overturn georgia's 2020 election results. here is what his lawyers are trying to do. they're arguing that lindsey graham is not required to appear before the grand jury because his contact with georgia officials after the 2020 election falls within the legislative sphere. they claim he was gathering information relevant to his oversight responsibilities as senate judiciary chairman and he's protected on the constitution speech and debate clause. >> steve bannon is again asking for a delay in his trial set to start next week. he was indicted last year for ignoring a subpoena from the january 6 committee. on monday, a trump appointed judge rejected bannon's first attempt at pushing back the trial. and now bannon's attorney claims comments played during tuesday's hearing from the january 6

committee as well as an upcoming documentary on bannon airing sunday night will create the voe serious risk of prejudice among jurors. bannon has said he's willing to testify before the select committee. and offered the justice department called a last-ditch attempt to avoid accountability. committee chair bennie thompson gave an update on where things stand with bannon. >> since steve bannon indicated he's willing to cooperate, has he had any contact with the committee about providing documents or coming in? >> no. you know, we have a subpoena that listed a number of documents that he needed to produce for us. so i would say before we engage with mr. bannon at all he would have to comply with that subpoena. >> and that hasn't happened yet. >> that has not happened. >> nbc news has learned the bipartisan group of senators

working on reforms to the electoral count act in the wake of the 2020 election, expect to release its bill early next week. republican senators susan collins of maine said the group is trying to decide whether it is better to introduce one bill, or multiple bills. she said she anticipates broad support for whatever they introduce next week saying they've received input from members of the administrations under both former's obama and trump. the electoral count act governs the process of how they select the president and vice president and how congress tallies elector votes. the january 6 committee public hearings have sought to highlight how the laws procedures were exploited by former president trump and others to try to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. culminating in the violent

capitol insurrection. >> while this is all going on in washington, president biden is in the middle east holding a series of key meetings today on the second day of his tour there. the president just wrapped up a joint news confront with yaair lap ed. he forced about enforcing israel security and the parishued a joint declaration pledging never to allow iran to acquire a nuclear weapon. let's bring in rick stengel and commander refired four star navy admiral james stavridis from nbc news and msnbc. good morning to you both. admiral, i begin on the question of iran. you have the prime minister turning directly to president biden and saying words talk, diplomacy don't work with iran, the only thing they understand

is the threat of force. president biden assured the prime minister that he would never, the united states, allow iran to acquire a nuclear weapon. what do you make of the rhetoric that came out of the event today. >> i thought it was powerful and unique. and a very direct -- and this may surprise many americans but we don't have a formal defense treaty with the state of israel. as we do with nato and with japan and with many of our other allies. that is because the israelis want to maintain their independence, their ability to operate in their view completely alone and unafraid, if you will. but for these two nations to stand together, at a podium, two leaders and pledge to use military force to prevent iran from ever achieving any nuclear weapon, is a very significant step and i would add, i think a very good one. >> there is not much that donald trump did while in office that

the biden administration has embraced but one thing is the abraham accords, trying to get israel better integrated with the rest of the middle east and that has had some remarkable progress and where do you see this going from here and it is not imminent but perhaps saudi arabia will take steps in that direction as well. and isn't it surprising that the israeli-palestinian conflict has barely broken through for this particular president. >> hey, jonathan. i'll take that last point first. i remember when i was traveling in the middle east for the obama -- obama administration and they never brought up the palestinian situation. he went there to talk about isis and they wanted to talk about iran. to the gulf nations, the

palestinian issue is a subsidiary one and with the abraham accords which are transformational entity in the middle east, it is a tertiary issue. the israeli issue to kick the can down the road on the palestinians was relatively successful. but i was heartened today and i agree with jim what he said about the press conference, i was heartened to hear president biden talk about the two state solution. which i still think is something which is a good idea and something that you could do now because of israelis alliance with these arab nations, with the uae, with bahrain. will they do that with saudi arabia? i think eventually but not in the near future. >> admiral, he's headed to saudi arabia, this historic direct flight. what are some of the pitfalls or

potential potholes that he could bump into. it is controversial and yet there are strategic interests at play. >> let's begin with the location. he's not going to riyadh, he's going to jida, this is the los angeles, if you will, of saudi arabia to the degrees that you could make that point. it is on the red sea. and it is the connective water way that between israel, egypt and saudi arabia. so good symbolic content there. obviously there is going to be a lot of focus on will he shake hands or bump fits and so on with the crown prince. i think that is not the issue here. the questions i have coming out of the conversation will be energy, are we going to get some help from our -- our saudi friends on easing prices globally and number two, china, how will saudi arabia play in

this growing chinese influence in the middle east and thirdly technology and here i would simply wrap in the israeli visit for president biden looking at some very advanced missile defense systems including a laser system called iron beam. this could be a way to further strengthen ties between israel and saudi arabia. so i think it is going to be a historic period of time here ahead. and finally, he is also meeting with other heads of arab states including the uae, another vital partner for the united states in the region. big case ahead for the proez. >> as we bounce around the world, i want to return to ukraine where there is another russian attack on civilian targets. 12 reported dead and many more injured an the new york times is reporting that ukraine is using powerful weapons to strike deep within russian controlled areas

of ukraine hitting russian bases and ammunition warehouses. russia media reported yesterday that the ukraine military hit an anti-aircraft battery in luhansk. the times pointed the latest strategy by ukrainian forces is in the early days an not yet clear whether it is having a significant impact on the battlefield, allowing ukraine to disrupt russia's artillery attacks and offensive operations. we could talk about the new strategy and how effectively you might think it is. but this morning the news is another russian attack in ukraine and going after civilian targets. >> another war crime, on a stack of war crimes that reaches from planet earth to the moon at this point. it is going to continue. because russia is failing in ukraine. they're grinding out a little more territory. but, he, putin, is running out of soldiers to throw at this fight and running out of his

hardware. multiple reports that he's going to tehran to secure drones from the iranians. think about that for a moment. >> that russia would have to turn that to a deeply second tier military power to try and assist them. i want to close on one helpful note if we're allowed to which is that starting to see glimmers of a deal to get grain at sea out of odessa. turkey has held some talks over the last few days with the united nations and with russia and with ukraine. the four entities talking about how to get the grain out. watch that one in the day as head for something hopefully, willie. but unfortunately look for more of this war criminal behavior from russia. >> and rick stengel, just as we're on ukraine here, how would you describe the strategy in terms of how it is going? is this a success so far or remains to be seen? >> i think, mika, it remains to

be seen. i think in retrospect, we would probably decide we should have been more vigorous and aggressive in giving iran sophisticated weapons, mid range missiles, all of the kind of heavy artillery we're giving them now. the ukrainians have been just stalwart and heroic in what they're doing. they are a model to the rest of the world. but i think doing more earlier would probably have been a better strategy. and yet we're pretty much doing as much as we can. this circles back to where we started. i mean, the war in ukraine is shaping biden's trip to the middle east. biden despises what mbs did to khashoggi, but he needs more energy supplies around the world and try to keep the per barrel price of oil down. that is what he's actually doing

in saudi arabia. and it is all about ukraine. >> all right, former secretary of state for public diplomacy rick stengel and james stavridis, thank you for being on this morning. >> and stilt ahead, families in uvalde texas are expressing outrage over the leak of surveillance video from inside of robb elementary school on the day of the massacre. we'll have a live report from texas. plus, new concern that the u.s. could be headed towards a recession after another dismal report on inflation. does this put more pressure on the fed to consider yet another interest rate hike? morning joe is coming right back. r interest rate hike

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it is 20 past the hour. we have the latest now on soaring inflation as prices are rising at the fastest pace in 41 years. nbc news correspondent tom costello has the details. >> it is happening coast to coast. consumers are feeling the pain in their wallets with annual inflation hitting the highest point in nearly 41 years. among the everyday staples over the past year, higher costs for chicken and beef. a gallon of milk up nearly 60 cents. and the price for a dozen eggs increasing by more than a dollar. but it is not just what we eat. prices are going up for clothing and housing an utilities. at this food pantry in san diego county, families are stocking up on the essentials. some of them first time visitors. >> i'm out of work and so is my wife and so we need this. >> before the pandemic, the san

diego food bank served about 350,000 families now adding in inflation they're up to half a million every month. it is a struggle for them as well. >> when donations are down, the food bank has to buy food and that food is a lot more expensive today than it was two years ago. >> reporter: and at across america, one of the biggest pain points has been gas prices but there may be some good news. they seem to be easing slightly, down 41 cents on average from a month ago. but still many are feeling the pinch this summer as some families are now modifying their vacation plans. >> the cost doubled. it was going to cost us over $2,000 just to get there and back with fuel prices. >> instead of going to the grand canyon, amber and her family are going to stay in michigan. >> i like to think that we postponed it and that maybe it will happen again soon. maybe next summer. but who knows at this point. >> reporter: all of it as economists are hyper focused on the federal reserve. now expected to raise interest

rates even higher to bring inflation under control. >> the fed really has only one tool, they just have one screwdriver they could tighten, and they could loosen. if what you need is a saw or a hammer, they don't really have that tool. >> nbc's tom costello reporting for us there. joining us now for the "wall street journal," ama'amar omeokwe and eugene daniels. amara, i want to begin with you. we're hearing reports of a three quarters of a percentage point hike at least at the next meeting at the end of july. maybe going up to a full percentage point. is that about the extent of the tools that are in that tool box we just heard about? >> yeah, i mean that is the fed's biggest tool. raising interest rates. they've been doing that this year. and the question is how aggressive are they going be as we see this inflation data

coming in. the expectation was for a three quarter of a percentage point but they could get more aggressive because we're seeing the high inflation numbers and the fed has been very clear they want to bring down inflation and they're going to do what they need to do in order to do that. >> and eugene, these prices have gone up in just about every category of goods. in energy and but in food and represent and other places as well. the white house said one silver lining is gas prices have ticked down over the last month and this doesn't include that. but that is cold comfort to people going out and know that even with that, prices for gas are up 60% over last year and that small businesses are having to pay twice what they paid, to get the raw products or the food for thur restaurant that they need. so what more is the white house prepared to do, what more can it do at this point? >> that is the thing, is this white house could do a ton when it comes to inflation, this is a

global phenomenon, and this happening in countries and nations around the world. and i think the thing that you're continuing to hear from the administration is talking about those gas prices coming down when these numbers came out yesterday. the president and the vice president talk the about them being back-ward looking. but they always are. they are backwards looking. and their hope is that as gas prices continue to come down, that will be reflected in the next report. but as you said, this is hitting every sector. clothes and food. so even if it was just gas prices, that woe be great. they're coming down and inflation would probably be really impacted by that. but that is not what we're seeing right now. and so we're going to see the white house doing what they've been doing, continue to talk about the other economic indicators that they have that are -- that have been a success. looking at unemployment numbers and the amount of jobs that this administration has seen added to the economy since they've been in office. and also passing the buck to congress talking about the

reconciliation package, right. talking about the best way for this -- for numbers and prices to go down for folks to see congress pass something that attacks prescription drug prices or other issues like that, that do effect people's bottom line. it is not clear how quickly people would see a return on investment on lower prices on that for their own wallets. and i will say there is some frustration in the white house because of the fact that they can't do much. but there is a lot of blame put on them for what is happening. and some aides i've talked to have talked about it like a misunderstanding of how much power the president actually has to effect issues that doesn't change the that people are blaming him and the white house. >> as gene said, this effects, amara, every sector, housing and for anyone who wants to buy or rent an apartment, it is a very difficult situation, are we in a housing crisis and how would you

describe it and is there anything that the white house can do? >> well the white house has talked about its proposals to kind of increase housing supply, ease some of the housing supply crunch which is part of the runaway prices that we've seen. but really, one of the levers that the fed is wanting to see here is a slowdown in demand. and we're seeing that in the housing market. as the fed raises rates, we're seeing demand for house sort of slow a little bit. we're seeing the higher mortgage rates discourage some potential buyers from entering the housing market. so this is actually one of things that the fed is trying to accomplish. right, we do have mismatch between supply and demand in the economy and by raising rates and tapping the brakes on demand in certain parts of the economy, the hope is that that could help to sort of bring down the high inflation that we've been seeing. >> but wouldn't that also bring up the prices of homes, of rates and make it harder -- i feel like trying to tamp down inflation still makes housing a

big problem for people unless i'm misunderstanding how this works. >> no, you're understanding. i mean the challenge here is that what the fed is doing is not an easy thing for people to digest. higher mortgage rates and higher rates on things like credit cards and auto loans, that is also painful for people. but essentially, the fed said this is what we need to do to bring inflation under control. the concern is that perhaps the fed will -- the fed will have to get more aggressive and that could lead to a significant slowdown in the economy, that could lead to a recession in the economy. so it is a careful balance that the fed is trying to strike but no one has ever said what the fed is doing is going to be easy for people and households to necessarily digest. >> thank you both very much. and up next, approval ratings versus election outcomes. approval ratings are quite low for a number of world leaders

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♪♪ "shake your thang" by salt n pepa 32 past the hour. a live look at the white house. very pretty day in washington. a recent poll showing president biden's approval ratings sunk all the way to just 33%. that is a very low number for a party about to enter a tough midterm season. it is interesting that same poll offers a bright spot for biden despite his low approval. he still would beat former president donald trump in a head to head match-up and trump is meeting with donors and coming back to washington seriously think being running again. john della volpe at the institute of politics at harvard

university argues it the not all about the numbers. quote, elections are about differences. macron who now sits with 33% approval in france, beat far right le pen by 17 in april. since that tweet, macron has dropped an additional point. joining us now at harvard university, john della volpe, author of the book "fight" to save america and we're happy to announce john is now also a msnbc political contributor. so great to have you on board, congratulations to that. this is so interesting. what you're looking at here is that approval ratings don't necessarily mean you're going to lose. >> thanks, mika and i'm so honored to be a part of the team. you know, in to have context and

nuance, we can't just ask a question yes or no. we need to ask about yes but, or yes or and yes maybe. and explain some further context. and when we broaden the scope, we see that the opinion of joe biden and the united states is reflected upon -- among the opinion as we saw among global leaders, specifically throughout the g7. the average approval rating for leaders in the g7 is 37% approval rating as of just -- as a couple of days ago. but as you mentioned, macron is among the lows. he's now at 32%. but he received close to 60% of the vote when the choice, when the difference was them versus a far right candidate. and i think we could see the same thin reflected in data in this country as well. so just important to put everything into the context and ask further questions rather than just stop at those initial headlines, right.

>> and this yes but, or yes and, is this a trend that we're seeing. i mentioned france. >> yeah, without question, it is a trend and we could see that also i think reflected in our own politics in the united states. you know, there is a pew research study of close to 7,000 americans that was released earlier this week where they identified about a dozen key issues and we found that republicans having narrow advantage on the economy, it is a 5 or 6 point advantage, it is significant. but when you look at the context of the untamed inflation over the last year, you would expect that number to be much greater. in addition, we're seeing this change of what is driving folks to participate in elections and in the "times" poll this week there was an issue related to abortion, to gun policy and the state of democracy where they

were as important, sometimes even more important for undecided voters than inflation and the economy. i think what voters are telling us is they understand that the economy is a temporary situation, that we could certainly improve. however, there is greater concern that the roll back of individual rights may not be temporary. so the dynamic a-s changing. not just in this country but the choices overseas as well. >> hey, john, it is jonathan. first of all congratulations. secondly, president biden is very fond of this saying, he said don't compare me to the almighty, compared me to the alternative. and this poll hits at exactly that. his poll numbers are not good. by any measure. but yet he would still defeat donald trump in a potential rematch. and certainly the white house is trying to really stress the contrast that they have with republicans, barreling into the midterms. and if you're the gop and this

is why i want you to get you to weigh in, how concerned are you that the environment looks promise this fall for you and potentially in 2024 but donald trump could come up in and mess all that up? >> yeah, i think i would be extremely concerned. because unlike in previous cycles, we don't see the correlation between economic indicators and a change of party. we know what inflation has done over the last six months. and certainly gas prices until recently. but during that time period, democrats have done better than republicans in terms of their position toward november. so this is going to be, i think, a impact, i think of the combination of january 6 and the roll back of roe v. wade has a potential to expand the electorate in very significant ways that republicans may have a difficult time overcoming,

specifically if donald trump begins to kind of show, you know, his face in a more significant way. that, as we know, that was one of the really unifying elements i think of 2018 and 2020, increasing and they could see the difference between democrat and those led by trump and those driving turnout, the same thing could happen for younger people but also females and suburbs and certain members of communities that are also vulnerable. >> all right. director of polling at institute of politics at harvard university, now an msnbc political contributor. thank you so much. great to have you on board. we appreciate it. we'll see you soon. and still ahead, we're going to have a live report from uvalde. on the video leak that has outraged some in the texas community. and the response from the paper

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we are back at 44 after the hour. with new developments this morning surrounding the surveillance video on obtained and replaced by a texas newspaper and television station coming from inside of robb elementary school in uvalde, texas, during the standoff with the gunman who was still shooting his weapon at the time. joining us from uvalde is sam brock. sam, good morning. so many of the victims' families as we've seen in your work this morning are deeply outraged and upset about the leak of this video. >> reporter: that is exactly right, willie. it is one thing to learn about factually what happened according to reports. it is another thing to look at the video and see it and try to

process that component. unacceptable and inexcusable. those are some of the words that are a veteran law enforcement expert used to describe what he saw from police. because it is antithetical to everything implea. ed. now people in this community want to know why was that not done here. and i have to tell you, we need to warn you that there is disturbing images that you're about to see. a devastated community. desperately searching for answers. >> they're the ones that are supposed to be in the front line, leading the troops. >> reporter: new video released by the austin american statesman revealed a minute-by-minute time line showing authorities were within robb elementary within minutes and fleeing from the gunfire and then standing by with shields and body gear and rifles for more than 40 minutes, possibly awaiting orders before approaching the classroom again. >> as you watch the video, what

stands out. as the worst mistakes that were made. >> the first time you hear gunfire, they retreated. this goes against all training. >> law enforcement waited close to another 30 minutes before border patrol finally took out the gunman. anna rodriguez calling their action cowardice. she can't bear to bring herself to watch the video after losing her 10-year-old daughter who is remembered by actor matthew mcconaughey at the white house after the shooting. >> these are the same green converse on her feet that turned out to be the only clear evidence that could identify her after the shooting. how about that. >> they failed our community. they failed our kids. our kids and our teachers paid the price for their failure. >> we're also learning more about a uvalde cisd police officer criticized by some on social media for checking his cell phone during the standoff. according to a. it legislator, that officer is rubin ruiz, the husband of slain schoolteacher

ava morales, saying he was checking his phone because his wife had contacted him saying she had been shot and was dying. adding, he tried to save her but was held back and eventually had his gun taken away and was escorted from the school. as uvalde families demand answers, now victims as young as 10 are pushing for change. >> no one has to go through what i've gone through at school. i felt sad because most of my friends passed away. >> reporter: now the school district, willie, just announced it performed a audit for security and safety that is going to be implementing change as head of the next school year which is only in a matter of weeks. some of the things that they're going to be doing, more fencing around school districts and added cameras and upgrades on doors and door locks in light of what happened. willie. >> glad you were able to clarify officer ruiz was looking to see if he could hear from his wife who was inside of the school and tragically was killed. and on this question of

releasing the video, sam, the executive editor for the statesman explained the decision to publish the footage. manny garcia wrote this. we have to bear witness to history and transparency and unrelenting reporting is a way to bring change. this father has been further tragic by changing stories proven to be false and a delay or in most cases rejection of media requests for public information by law enforcement leaders public officials and elected leaders. truth always wins. maybe not on our clock, but the truth always prevails and that is the reason that we publish alongside kvue, which is the television station. so that will not offer comfort to the families that have in thvideo out in the public. but it is true that almost everything that we heard about what happened in the early days after turned out to be untrue. >> reporter: that is correct, but i would also add what is curious about the decision that is getting dissected right now

is the state was going to be releasing this video anyway. they were planning for this sunday, first to the families and then to the general public. they're outrage on the matter is they feel like something so intimate and personal was ripped away from them and shared with the world before they could see it. but of course the compelling argument being made by the paper is that we were getting road blocks everywhere we went trying to get public records requests and back channels and none of it was working. we had to do this. >> could understand the out rage and the anguish from the families of course. sam brock live in uvalde, texas, thank you so much. mika. >> now to virginia, dozens of people are missing after heavy flooding washed away homes in parts of the state. nbc news correspondent kathy park has the details. >> reporter: this morning scenes of devastation and in rural virginia. cars stacked up like toys. roofs of homes scattered on the ground. and rhodes turned to rivers. >> water kept coming up, up, and

then i thought it was receding and then it made another big surge and came back and wiped everything out. >> wednesday dumping up to six inches of rain in just a matter of hours. all of that water causing disastrous flash flooding. >> have a car, we see people in the water. their car is going under water and they can't get out of the car. >> one of our neighbor's driveways completely collapsed. it fell down the mountain, down the creek. the roads, if you walk up there, they're completely destroyed. >> reporter: this morning dozens of people still unaccounted for. >> for people that's missing, a lot of that is due to, say, family members or loved ones trying to contact a member or someone that they know is there. there's just no telephone service or no way to contact them. >> reporter: but county officials say more than 100 homes have been flooded or swept away. these images show the path of destruction left behind by the

floodwaters. hundreds of homes this morning still without power. >> i could hear the river. it was roaring. it sounded like a lion roaring. >> reporter: the devastation comes nearly a year after this same community was hit hard by hurricane ida. >> one of the things with this is the severity of the damage to the houses is not as extensive as we saw last year with some of the flooding. however, the number of houses that were effected is significant. >> reporter: on wednesday, the governor declaring a state of emergency. >> this community right here is pulling together. we're all treating each one as family. >> reporter: nbc's kathy park with that report. we'll follow that. up next, we get right back to the coverage of the january 6th hearings. and a man who went from working for far right extremists to being a key witness for the select committee. he tells us why former president trump appeals to groups like the proud boys and the oath keepers. we'll be right back. the

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loyalty to former president donald trump. they were wrong the rioters that stormed the capitol during the insurrection and their leader has been indicted on seditious conspiracy charges. a former insider has become a key witness for the select committee, warning americans they cannot discount the danger these paramilitary groups pose. earlier this morning, we spoke with a former spokesman for the oath keepers. jason van tatenhove, who told us why former president trump appealed to such groups, and if he thought they would continue to support him going forward. >> the length of the error of legitimacy, they oftentimes recorded local politicians in the pacific northwest, there were examples of that. they wanted to be seen as aligning with these politicians because it did give them a sense of legitimacy. that kind of appealed to the base and appealed to the egos of

stewart rhodes and other leaders. and, you know, i think trump really, you know, kind of gave them permission to continue doing what they're doing and it kind of was -- i see it as, you know, as much as they want to message that they're not a paramilitary group or not a militia, they really are. and i think stewart had always seen himself as being kind of this clandestine paramilitary leader and having a sitting president, whether directly or indirectly, messaging your group and other groups like yours, i think, really fed that. >> and we certainly know members were there on january 6th. and the former president has widely established or gave license to those hate crime spikes during his time in office. we know he's thinking of running again. from people you talk to in the world with the oath keepers, would they support him again

were he to run in 2024? >> i think so. that core base is going to be there. they're still drinking the kool-aid. i think, absolutely, he'll have support from those types of groups. >> part of our conversation this morning with jason van tatenhove, a former oath keeper spokesman, who testified this week before the january 6th select committee. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage in two minutes. jose diaz-balart no waaayyy! no way! [phone ringing] hm. no way! no way! priceline. every trip is a big deal. only at vanguard, you're more than just an investo picks coverage in two minutes. and vanguard retirement tools and advice can help you get there. that's the value of ownership. millions have made the switch from the big three

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