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january 6th committee zeroing in on what could be a key phone call. a source telling nbc news the call was made from from her president trump to a support staffer, it may be rando but the aid is in talk with the select committee. the backdrop to all of it, 2024, with a new interview out today with the former president, saying he's made up his mind about whether or not to try again for the white house and that announcement may be sooner than you think. one of the reporters behind this group is here live. the abortion law that indiana is asking them to put back on the books and who the state is investigating for performing the procedure there, even though it's legal. we've got a lot of news on this thursday afternoon. we will start here in washington with senior national political reporter, cofounder of the punch bowl news and jake sherman and former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor chuck rosen.

do we start talking about this deal on the electoral count app, is it going to bore people, but it's so important and it's so critical to preventing another january 6th from happening again. talk to us about where the steel stands that we are trying to basically prevent presidential candidates from stealing elections. >> that's right, we know the january 6th committee has the trove of information about a plot to still and alexa. the question becomes what are they going to do with the knowledge and this is where the rubber meets the road. a bipartisan group of senators is finalizing legislation as we speak to close gaps in election law in an attempt to prevent candidates in future elections from trying to steal elections the way former president trump allegedly attempted in 2020. there are several aspects that they are tackling, specifically, it looks like revising the 1887 electoral count act made clear a vice president does not have

unilateral power, there are other changes they are making as well as changes to the presidential transition act to make sure both candidates are able to access resources and finally the issue of safe harbor, this deadline, the statutory deadline for states to send electors to congress to make sure it counts. this group is making to working to make sure that is done properly to ensure that the winner has there electors sent to congress. we know the leadership of both parties have blessed this negotiation and they are hoping to release legislation as early as next week. that's according to susan collins of maine. someone to vote on this between the august recess and the midterms. >> eight republican lawmakers

rejected certifying the results on january 6th. what are the prospects of this moving forward? >> i would say pretty strong. i think, based on my reporting. the leadership has been relatively supportive of this in the senate. and i would take the latter part, i think this will slip to the lame duck although i could see it happening in september. i don't think it'll happen before the august recess as congress tries to get a deal on semi condor semiconductor manufacturing in the united states and tries to get that large-scale package to do a whole host of things but let medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices and also, fix aca subsidies. make sure that people who are on obama car don't see their

premiums spike. i think it's imperative, crucial, that this gets done, either between august and the election, because i don't republicans are going to have much of an appetite for this, although some might vote for it, this congress, i would say in addition to all of the great reporting, a lot of this is clarification. the vice presidential role is a clarification as to what his role is or his or her role is rather, in certifying the election. the threshold, raising that, that is new, as we all know, all you needed was a house member and a senator to do it in the past now they are going to use that. >> thank you for that reporting. chuck let me go to you. this is about the alleged witness contact. the former president trump made one call, the staffer did not answer it and as far as we know there was no voicemail. when you are looking at this

and thinking about this question that was raised by vice chair liz cheney of potential victim witness tampering, how should we view this. >> let's break this down into two segments, first, the witness was absolutely right to tell his or her attorney who is absolutely right to alert the committee and the committee was right to let the department of justice know it happen. here's the second part though, that i'm urging a little bit of caution. president trump left no message. we might think we know what he intended to do, he has a pattern of obstructing justice. if you look back at the mueller investigation, that report, 10 to 12 instances of president trump trying to obstruct that investigation but we don't know what actually happened, so give it to the department of justice, they are good at investigating and prosecuting and let them figure it out. for us on the receiving end without additional facts, i would urge again a little bit of caution. >> we love when you urge

caution, you are our grain of salt giver. you mentioned the doj. committee chair benny thompson has said they are engaging on the issue of fake electors, engaging with the justice department, specifically. if the doj does decide to pursue indictments, help us understand what that looks like. >> that's a concerning aspect of this whole scheme to steal an election, submitting fake electors, electors from states that biden won, where certain members of the legislature were not happy with the outcome and others concocted a plan, schemed to submit fake electors, so vice president pence, if he had thrown out the votes of certain states, there would be a substitute slate. let me boil that down to a single word for you, fraud. that would be a fraud. if you use the mail or wire to

transmit a fraudulent document, if you are trying to obtain something by fraudulent means, that's a crime. so, again, very concerning to me. it's another way that president trump tried to steal an election that he obviously lost. and using a whole bunch of people to do it, could be a very big crime. so let's see what the justice department does with that, to but potentially, a fraud. >> i'm curious as to what you and the team that you lead are specifically digging into and looking for over the next week or longer as it relates to the select committee. what is the chatter you are hearing? >> a few things to consider, number 1, obviously the phone call is at the top of the list but because of the reasons that chuck has indicated, it's more murky than other details. number 2, there's recent chatter on capitol hill that this will go beyond next week, that this investigation, these hearings, will continue later into the summer and fall -- >> so sorry to interrupt you but we know or we suspect there

will be another hearing when the final report is released. what you are hearing is more than just that one additional one in the fall? >> it seems there's increased chatter around that although at this point we don't know, the problem with the blessing that this committee has, and the problem for former president trump is they keep getting more information and they keep having to recalibrate expectations and plans, and that's difficult, when it comes to planning these things, that's number 2, and number 3, listen, i think the endgame here, i think we need to zoom out for a second, it's super important. they have a, amassed a critical amount of information from a historic perspective and contemporary times, that a lot of us will be asking ourselves in the next couple of weeks and months, now what? and this committee has talked

about legislation, not entirely sure what legislation they might come up with, that something we are going to dig into and number 2, obviously, all eyes are on doj and the political pressure that will come from this building, in the next 8 to 10 weeks, to have some charges related to just the massive amounts of information that have been uncovered, i think it'll be tremendous. the political pressure will be absolutely tremendous. >> one more question for you on steve bannon. today, he lost the second push to try to get his trial delayed which is supposed to start soon. he claims the hearings have tainted the jury pole. this argument that bannon has made, we talked about this. can you, can he get a fair trial, what do you think? >> absolutely, what you have to

do as a judge is conducting the questioning of jurors, to ensure that they are fair and they can be fair and listen to the evidence with an open mind. you are not looking for jurors who have never heard of the january 6th right, not looking for jurors who have never heard of steve bannon, you are looking for jurors who can be fair and over and over again, my experience as a federal prosecutor, we manage to see fair juries, that's all the judge has to do. there's no reason to delay this further. the united states is also entitled to a speedy trial. justice delayed is justice denied. >> thanks. still ahead, more on former president trump and when exactly he's trying to announce the 2024 come back, the reporter behind that scoop joins us in a minute. why president biden and israel's prime minister seem to be at odds today. we will tell you why, live, overseas in just a minute.

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and now, hours away from the all-important trip to saudi arabia. he met with the prime minister of israel before getting one of the highest awards there. the two leaders seeming to show distance of the on the right approach. >> i continue to believe that diplomacy is the best way to achieve this outcome. i will continue to work with israel to counter other threats from iran throughout the region. >> words will not stop, mr. president, diplomacy will not stop them. the only thing that will stop here on is knowing that if they continue to develop their nuclear program, the free world will use force. >> joining me now, senior white

house correspondent kelly o'donnell who is traveling with the president and part of the pr push around this trip from the white house has been to frame this as a way to boost relationships between the various countries in the region here. give us a status update. >> in many ways that friendship between bus and israel has been on display through the whole trip. the president has waxed nostalgic about his many visits here over the last 50 years, talked about the personal connection he feels with israel and a lot of that affection has been shown back to him. and that's notable because of course in the prior administration, president trump at the time, was also very close to then prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and we've also seen that biden and benjamin netanyahu who is part of the opposition now are on good terms. what you highlighted there, is

a view on iran where in many ways the u.s. and israel share the same objective but for israel, it is the number 1 overwhelming priority, believing that a threat of a nuclear iran puts this country in tremendous jeopardy. but the u.s. contends with, it is perhaps not, military force could be a last resort measure, a stronger tone from the prime minister today, trying to really send that signal, that free countries have to stop iran from advancing and the world in which we live with russia and ukraine, that has a different kind of resident, so there are some areas of disagreement but overwhelmingly, a sense of two

countries that can work together and how do they try to close any of those gaps and be as much on the same page as possible. it might become a little bit more obvious when the president goes to saudi arabia that there are much more stark differences there but a different kind of partnership over the last several decades for the u.s. new developments out of russia, and tomorrow a russian court set to look at written evidence in brittney griner's trial. she was in court today for the first time since she pleaded guilty to having vape catcher just at the moscow airport back in february. her legal team and reps from the u.s. embassy were by her side. a doctor on the team that she's played for was by her side. they say that she has medical issues that is helped with cannabis. joining us now is chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell.

talk to us about what next steps are, what we can expect to hear from griner, what we can expect to see from russia? >> russia is playing hardball on this. people from the kremlin today saying that this publicity around her, all the support she's getting is only hurting her case. but the people i'm talking to say, that's rhetoric , why should we believe anything he says, this publicity is helping because the focus is on her, and it's keeping the us government focused and keeping people in russia focus. we are expecting her to apologize at the next appearance. we don't know when that will be but these character witnesses from russia, the russian teammate of seven years, she's been playing for the russian team, the team doctor, saying that she has scoliosis, and

attention deficit disorder and other conditions, so trying to explain that cannabis oil, he was asked by the prosecutor, did you prescribe this, it was in her luggage as she was arriving and he said no he had not prescribed that cannabis and medical marijuana is not allowed anyway in russia. so they found a way to go on this but they were pleading for leniency and the team eight anti-director saying that her character was outstanding, she has great energy and she's done great for russian basketball. and she's been a great teammate, mentor, a role model. so that's what they heard, the character witnesses today, and you can see the cameras were held back but our producer had her iphone and everything else was held back and she got in there, and you can see sort of a glimpse of a smile, she seemed to be a little more of, at least when she saw her pals, her teammate and others there speak on her behalf but she's been there almost 5 months now, halle, 6'9 cell, no one speaking english to her, no visitors, no supplies, as we understand it.

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in fact, he could be closer than ever to this, according to new reporting in the washington post and new york magazine with the posting the former president could announce as early as september. and if this announcement comes before november, it could have a huge effect on the midterms including how republicans do in key states. michael, good to have you on the show. take us through your reporting, the expectation hear from donald trump? >> so, trump began talking with aids last year, last august during the afghanistan withdrawal about announcing early, long before the midterm elections, and he faced a lot of initial pushback from aides who were arguing that if he went forward before the midterms, he could be blamed if republicans underperformed, he

could help drive democrats to the polls but over the course of the last year, those arguments have sort of not carried the day, trump continues to argue that he should look at an early announcement before the midterm elections, and he has put in motion a number of planning steps to make that happen including talking about who would run a new campaign, when he announces it. what the infrastructure would be. he has begun rolling out policy addresses including a speech last week in las vegas, and in a couple of weeks he will be in d.c., and we don't know what he will ultimately decide but, there is this path whereby he could announce in september, if

he chooses that path, and the other thing you have to put it all of the stories, whenever you are talking about former president trump is he's a very difficult guy to predict and he doesn't always stick to his plan, so he could upend all of these plans at any moment. >> there's one more thing. hold that thought for a second. there's a couple of things i want to ask, one of them is the financial incentive. running a campaign is expensive. it's not somebody who loves to pump a ton of his own money into these kinds of things. announcing early, tends to help politicians who need name recognition, that's not the case for trump. if you are looking at the money piece of this, wouldn't the logical thing be to announce later rather than earlier? >> allie, it's important to remember that when donald trump was president, that he actually started his reelection campaign right after his inauguration, so i think this is somebody as michael was saying, he's unpredictable. he also loves the attention. and there's one great way to always get attention when you start dangling hey, i think i'm running for president or i will be running for president, or i

have plans to be able to run. and i do think the context of the last month is really important in this conversation, in that, this has been a really rough last month for the former president, from the revelations that we ended up giving from the january 6th committee, certainly, the last two committee hearings in particular, one with cassidy hutchinson, as well as the focus on the people who ended up storming the capitol, and so, when we are kind of looking at the potential plans for the former president, and running, i do think that the clouds over him whether it's on january 6th, the potential investigation in atlanta, are all part of the equation here. >> one of the things in your reporting says that democrats -- let me just ask you this, when you are having these conversations, the knowledge that this is a subject in the former president who as mark points out, objectively, and this is, objectively likes

hearing people talk about him and talk about the speculation on the will he or won't he, how do you manage that as a reporter when you are testing us get to go i on this? >> i think trump is more like that than most politicians but it's true that all politicians are like that. i think the answer to the question is, you know, we don't do stories every week on what trump has said behind the scenes about what he might do in the future and we felt there was a critical mass of information here that suggested specific things that had not been reported before. that both he was doing, and people around here are planning for, and that was the barrier

in which we decided to write this story. on the campaign-finance piece, i would just point out, that he's in an awkward position, he has about $100 million in his leadership packet, save america, that he will not be able to access directly for his presidential campaign. he will be leaving a lot of money on the sidelines and there may be a reason for him to start building up a new pot of money if he's going to go forward with this. >> one of the things i heard from a member of congress this weekend when i was talking about president biden, i had a member say to me the single best thing that could happen for joe biden politically is if donald trump announces soon, that he is running for office again in 2024. this person thinking that would help coalesce democrats around biden at a time when his approval ratings are lower. and democrats are hoping that republicans will be forced to say whether they support trump in the 24 primaries, a choice that could alienate former president trump supporters, pull on that thread a little more for us.

>> to the extent that there is a national democratic message for the midterms right now, it is, we are doing stuff on inflation, too, and people we are running against our mega republicans. , that's from the senate, from the house, to make the case that the republican party is something more extreme than it used to be and you should look at all of their candidates down ballot skeptically. if he gets in the race before the midterms, those candidates will be more directly tied to him or forced to distance themselves from him. that's what i think democrats are optimistic that this would help. on the biden front, that analysis is probably right, biden's rationale increasingly for a second term has been that he beat donald trump once, that was really the message you know, of the last campaign, restore the soul of america was a two trump.

at a time when there's growing skepticism in the democratic party that biden is the right guy to carry the party forward. >> final thought to you? >> usually the party that's out of power will end up losing the white house, we have fresh ideas, we have a fresh message, and by donald trump, even if he does run for president again in 2024 and certainly if he does it around the midterms season, that'll damage that, then all of a sudden republicans just say, we are running with the side of things that end up losing the white house in 2020, that lost control of the senate, and not being able to have that fresh, turn the page type of narrative, it could end up being a anchor for republican candidates in the midterms. >> thank you for being on the show, i appreciate it. the doctor who treated a 10- year-oldvictim is now under investigation. a live report, after the break. y e b 'n

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the state of indiana is asking the supreme court to let it enforce the state law that requires minors to get consent from parents in order to get an abortion. the law was passed back in 2017 but it's been blocked by lower courts. pete williams is here, walk us through what indiana is looking for here, and when and if we might hear from the supreme court. >> there's a couple of tricks to this, the law was passed in 2017 but put on hold because the lower court said this clearly violates roe versus wade and all the other abortion president so when roe versus wade was overturned, indiana said let us enforce our law. the case is currently before the seventh circuit court of appeals in chicago and that

court said we get the papers but we can't act until we get the formal word from the supreme court which is known as the judgment. normally that as income to the lower courts until 25 days after the supreme court ruling, so what indiana says is, please do this right now. it's inevitable, it'll happen anyway, and let us start the law. now the appeal was directed to amy coney barrett, who handles appeals for that part of the country but she sat on the 7th circuit at one time, so it may go instead to the newest justice, justice jackson, and it may be her first official act in the supreme court. when the court would act, i assume it'll act quickly. this happened during the texas abortion case when texas asked for immediate action on the supreme court's decision, so, you know, it's a funny little quirk of the way the law works great even though the supreme court issues its orders and opinions, they don't necessarily take legal effect immediately. it takes some time. >> pete, thank you.

more breaking news, the states attorney general saying he is investigating the doctor who reportedly provided an abortion for a 10-year-old girl in indiana after she was in ohio. authority say 20 -year-old -- it is legal to get an abortion in indiana but the ag so they are looking into the doctor's license and whether she failed to report the procedure. in an interview with fox news he didn't say whether they had a problem with her license or any indication that she did not report the case. this comes as a wall street journal is backtracking after an op-ed question the legitimacy of the story after president biden referenced this 10-year-old girl when he signed an executive order. the editorial board saying it appears president biden was accurate when he related a story about a 10-year-old girl who was raped and traveled to indiana for the abortion. of course documents that reap we reported on this show showed more details about the arrest.

gabe, what else are we hearing? >> as you mentioned, this case is highlighting the deep division in this country over abortion and the reaction is really pouring in. you mentioned the investigation from the republican ag in indiana, we are also hearing, though, from the ob/gyn, at the center of this case. and she tweeted something late yesterday after mostly staying silent over the last couple of weeks. her name is dr. kaylynn bernard and she said my heart aches for all survivors of sexual assault and abuse and so set our country is failing them when they need us most. doctors must be able to give people the medical care they need when and where they need it. now hallie, she was the single source for the indianapolis star report earlier this month, that really went viral, and that's when president biden or

after that report, president biden mentioned that in his speech last week, and then over the next several days, there were many politicians, republicans, saying that, you know, questioning the validity of the story, you mentioned the wall street journal had this new editorial backtracking or correcting that's what the board says, and saying that president biden appears to be accurate in this case but certainly a lot of people weighing in today, as we hear of that suspect, 27-year-old fuentes. he's being held on two million- dollar bail. we asked the ohio attorney general to join us and we did not get an answer. the reporting, a look at democrats first post roe add.

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we've been talking about inflation at a 40 year high. it's forcing americans to make tough choices. for some of them whether to pay rent or buy groceries. >> they are making trade-offs, holding back on certain items.

if the way they are paying for shelter, utilities, or, putting food on the table that they need. >> lindsay, talk to us about what you are hearing from folks ? >> so hallie, it's a tough situation for a lot of people waiting outside of food pantries, many of them never thought they would find themselves there. they are having to choose between going on joyride's that they would enjoy but now they are having to do the essential trips because the gas tanks are so low. new consumer price index was released today and people are paying 6% more for rent, 10% more for food and nearly 60% more for gas. of course when we look at the national gas average today, we are spending about $.41 less than we were when i picked mid june but it still about $1.40 over year, so the need is there. this is the largest food bank

here in the state of new jersey. >> so the folks that are in new jersey, we have about 900,000 neighbors in need that have had to make tough decisions but, with about a 30% increase in the food crisis in the past year or so, it's getting even tougher for them to make chased choices between medication, rent and food. >> at a time when you are seeing more and more people seek out your services, you guys are impacted, too, it's not like you can pass any cost on to consumers. >> i'll give you an example. one of the things we do is we plan for our budget and we did it a few months ago. we plan for a diesel fuel cost, we planned about 18%. we thought it was high at the time. we didn't realize it was low by less than half. the diesel fuel prices have risen probably to 41% more than

we thought it would, and that has caused conflict on how we would make the ends meet. we had to do readjustments to our budget and especially how it would affect our food costs. the other part is that we have third parties that deliver to us. there gas prices have included also. it's all baked in. us all of the way around. >> there is a ripple effect that people don't think about. i saw 26-foot trucks and hundreds of dollars to fill up. what's your message to people watching at home or are political leaders. >> we are grateful for any donations that we get and we laugh food done eggs and this is why it is so important to receive monetary donations because we can put that money where we can re-do our budget where it will have a big e effect and help our neighbors. >> one woman hallie that i talked to who was outside one of these food pantries, she drives her adult son to and from work and lately he's had to walk because the gas isn't there and

this is the reality facing a lot of people, hallie. >> lindsay riser live for us. thank you. >> inflation and the economy will be key issues in the midterms and today nbc news is getting the first look at the message and some of them that the democrats will be putting out and the dnc is at stake in a post-roe america. >> republicans are celebrating ending a woman's right to choose. >> this is a moment for incredible celebration. >> what a great victory, and they're not done yet. mike pence wants to ban abortion in every state. mitch mcconnell says a national abortion ban is possible. >> joining us now, nbc white house correspondent mike memoli. a new poll shows 67% of democrats see abortion as the most important problem in the country. do you think this will be a core issue in the midterms? >> well, obviously, hallie, president biden has been taking some heat in his party because he said that this should be a voting issue, right? we see in midterm elections that typically part of the reason the

political gravity is against the party in the white house is because you tend to have some apathy, some disappointment among the party that controls the white house. that's why you tend to see the shellackings or whatever the president who is in at the time tends to call them. what we see with the democratic national committee's new adhere does believe this is an issue that can rally voters. i'll tell you what i heard from a dnc official that since this decision came down from the supreme court roe versus wade, they have seen a surge, 200% in the number of callers, grassroots activity, doorknockers and people coming to try to do the physical work to try to elect the democrats this fall. so that really suggests that there has been a response of the kind that the president has been calling for for democrats to try to get out to the polls and that's just, hallie, as you know the sentiment among democratic voters. the white house is well aware that the midterm elections for the key swing voters in this country especially independent

voters will be about bread and butter economic issues and that's why we're likely to see the president also hitting those issues when he gets back from saudi arabia in a couple of weeks and talks about the campaign trail. >> you talk about the campaign trail and there's an appetite for those in the conference to see them do it more recently with folks in congress here. we've got this ad that you had first running in states like georgia and pennsylvania states that will make a difference. what's the metric for democrats that you talked to to know if it's working. >> obviously, they're following the polling in the races very closely and it is worth noting that as president biden likes to put it these elections and issues should not be a choice against democrats versus the almighty as he puts it and democrats versus the alternative and i find it so interesting which republicans the dnc was featuring. you had potential 2024 candidates like ron desantis, the governor of florida and rick

scott who biden had talked about a lot in terms of his economic agenda in recent activity and you had the announcer naming the former vice president mike pence and of course, hallie, the ad ends with the image of the former president donald trump so much as you've been reporting on this show, as well how democrats are viewing the midterms and think, 2024 revolves around this question of what will donald trump do? will he be a candidate? will he even announce his candidacy before the mrid term elections and that can inject more momentum with the polls in rough shape for the president right now. >> matt, thank you. i'll ask you to stay with me. a bit of a turn here because we have some news breaking into our newsroom here in just the last few minutes. the trump family, that his first wife ivana trump has died. mr. trump former president calling ivana his first wife, quote, a wonderful, beautiful and amazing woman who led a great and inspirational life and

saying it is with deep sadness that we announce the passing of ivana. she's the mother of the president's children ivanka, don jr. and eric. she was a grand mrorth to their combined ten children. during her marriage to former president trump she also took on big roles in the trump organization which at the time managed the trump real estate holdings. she was 73 years old. just a moment of reflection here given this news that is developing here this hour. >> yeah. obviously, the former president's first wife and the longest-tenured wife if you want to put it that way, the father -- the mother of the first children, former first children in the white house. it's worth noting, hallie and you know this as well as anybody that the former president did have warm relations with his former wife. they were still in contact over the years and she was still involved in the family life

here, but obviously, condolences going out to the former president and his family at the loss of ivana trump now. >> mike memoli, thank you for that. appreciate it and thanks to all of you for watching this hour of msnbc and find us always on hallieonmsnbc and on the streaming platform every week night at 5:00 eastern. "deadline: white house" starts right after the quick break. e: s e: s right after the quick break. aleve. who do you take it for? finding the perfect project manager isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found him. and you can find him, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com from prom dresses to workouts talented pros, right now and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss.

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hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. there are new details in the direction of the january 6th investigation today as well as what the public may expect to see from the committee in the days and months ahead. committee chairman bennie thompson telling nbc news that that unnamed witness who received a call from ex-president trump is a white house employee. cnn, who was first to report these details about this witness reports this, quote, the support staffer was not someone who routinely communicated with the former president and was concerned about the contact according to sources, and informed their attorney. the call was made after former trump white house aide cassidy hutchinson testified publicly to the committee. the white house staffer was in a position to corroborate part of what hutchinson had said under oath according to the sources. donald trump's call to this witness underscores the threat the committee's probe clearly poses to trump and trump world