weeks, but that could help the market, as well. >> right. >> "politico's" sam stein, thank you very much. have a good weekend, my friend. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this friday morning. this is for you, allen. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪♪ a live picture from bethlehem and the west bank, as president biden turns his attention to the palestinian people. we're awaiting a joint news conference with biden and the head of the palestinian authority, abbas. the pair is meeting now behind closed doors. before arriving in the west bank, the president announced a number of initiatives to support the palestinian people, including new funding for a hospital network in east jerusalem. we'll be monitoring this news conference, expected to begin any minute now. we're also following developments with the january 6th investigation, including a

new report this morning that accuses the secret service of deleting text messages related to the attack on the capitol after they were requested by oversight officials. and new reporting that all but confirms that donald trump will run for president again. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, july 15th. we have the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. associate editor of the "washington post," eugene robinson. good to have you both on board this morning. joe, we're going to be looking at, obviously, what is going on abroad with president biden and his meeting with abbas, but let's begin with the secret service, accused of deleting text messages that could be critical to investigating the eve events of the insurrection. how could they be deleted? the dhs inspector general

writes, after his office requested full electronic records for an evaluation of the capitol attack, the secret service deleted a significant number of text messages from january 5th and 6th of 2021. this was on tapbtained by nbc a intersected by the "intercept." they denied there was malicious attempt. >> really? oh, really? they also denied donald trump didn't lunge at secret service agents and choking them. it is interesting. you have the facts, the reality, and then you have the secret service denying that reality. this is the second time in a week it happened. you even have a d.c. cop saying, yeah, yeah, what we heard

cassidy hutchinson testify about, i was in the motorcade and heard this over the radio, that it was happening. trump criticized the secret service. i'm wondering who is willingo go to for donald trump. >> in a statement -- >> donald trump may end up go to jail. who in the secret service wants to go to jail? >> a spokesman claims some of the data that was lost during a pre-planned devicement program that began on -- >> whatever. >> -- january 2021, before the dhs probe into the insurrection even began. he also notes, the secret service has been fully cooperative with the dhs investigation. >> but hold on. let's take that down because it is nonsense. he -- >> unless -- i wonder who ordered that, if it happened. >> the inspector general ordered copies of those text messages

and said they deleted them after the inspector general ordered them. so secret service wants us to believe the inspector general's lie. somebody is lying. somebody needs to be hauled before congress to testify. >> it seems like a huge stretch at best. >> let's bring in nbc news correspondent julia ainsley. she covers the department of justice and the department of homeland security. julia, help us out here. we heard many reports that donald trump politicized the secret service agency, moving allies and friends into high positions. over the last couple weeks, we've had testimony from trump insiders inside the white house talking about this incident, about donald trump choking a secret service agent, grabbing the steering wheel. we heard other people saying, yes, that happened. now, d.c. cops are saying that that happened. but the secret service, off the record, denies it. now, we have this, an inspector

general says, "hey, give me all your text messages, your electronic communications so we can figure out what happened on january 6th." and the ig says they deleted the texts after the request. what can you tell us? >> that's right, joe. the timeline here, you're spot on, and that's critical. because anyone who has ever had their records requested or subpoenaed knows that it is when you have that request that you need to immediately preserve all of those records. the secret service is saying they were doing this program that started before the request, where they were replacing all of their devices. that was ongoing, and so that is why these messages, at least some of them, we don't know if all of them, were deleted and couldn't be handed over to the ig. the ig also said in that letter that it was lawyers at the secret service that came in between that request and the time where they ever even responded, further delaying and probably diminishing some of the

information they could have had. they said it was a delay, and they clearly are slapping the secret service hands in that. joe, you mention, of course, the secret service role in that very salacious conflict we heard about from cassidy hutchinson. but there is also another piece the secret service was critical in on january 6th, the responsibility to protect the vice president. we know it was pence himself who defied secret service agents and said, "i'm not getting in the car." if he'd complied with the secret service, he would have been taken away from the capitol and not there to certify the results, giving victory to the insurrectionists. that's another reason by the dhs ig would have wanted the text messages, to figure out why secret service acted in that way. what threat did they perceive that way, and how did it lead to the decision where they thought they needed to get the vice president away from the capitol? all of this is critical, just in the very day-to-day rigor of the

dhs overseeing this agency, an agency that had a lot of problems, especially since it was absorbed by the department of homeland security. also, it is critical in understanding the events of january 6th. and we have to point out, they also wanted the record from the day before, which begs a lot of questions about what did the secret service know? what was it plan for and expecting before this insurrection even took place, joe? >> wow. >> it is absolutely remarkable. what can you tell us about -- because we heard a little about it after cassidy hutchinson's testimony. there was talk about how donald trump had politicized the secret service. what can you tell us about that side of the story? >> well, it's definitely one that we know has been drilled down. it is something that as soon as investigators at the house select committee found out from cassidy hutchinson about that back and forth, that everyone tried to get more of a direct

account. remember, cassidy hutchinson was really relaying what she had heard. we know there were police scanners. there were people there. of course, donald trump had a policy of trying to put his own people in the place of security. we know the secret service director just announced his retirement after 25 years, someone who had served through many administrations, would see himself as apolitical. but there were a number of people working for the secret service who were security details appointed by donald trump himself. that is key in determining exactly what happened that day and who might be complying or not complying when the select committee, or now the inspector general, is trying to get answers in terms of donald trump's actions that day. also, the law enforcement response, which is such a key part. whether you're talking about capitol police, other parts of dhs. we reported here that customs protection were armed and ready to go but kept in the basement

of the reagan building during the insurrection that was happening blocks away. a lot of questions about secret service response. they were responsible for the president's security that day, would have known his every detail, every movement and request, and also, of course, protecting the vice president as a mob was chanting that they wanted to hang him, joe. i can't even believe i'm saying that. >> yeah. julia ainsley, it is extraordinary the secret service, an organization that largely remained outside of politics for so long, has been pulled into this. but carol lenig wrote an entire book about the politicization of the secret service. how much did donald trump have to do with that? it plays into what we're talking about here, that he brought in loyalists. he had people close to him that were more loyal to him perhaps than the organization. >> yeah. you know, that's part of the reporting i want to flush out over the course of this day, is to understand the timeline.

we understand that, you know, as soon as the dhs ig requested those text messages, many of them were deleted. but how much of that was the secret service of the trump administration, and how much of that was actually non-compliance under this administration, as well? unclear exactly when that would have happened. but very clear that, yes, the secret service did get politicized under donald trump. it is under new leadership now which, of course, still has some problems, some scandals under this administration, as well. it is a very large organization. when people look back at the history of the secret service, they have to remember, it started under the treasury. one of the secret service's jobs is to protect against counterfeiting money. a lot of people forget about that. when dhs was born after 9/11, they brought secret service into the fold. many would argue that since that happened, it hasn't been as well policed, as well regulated, and has been able to really grow into an agency that can have a lot of problems within its ranks and could be very easily

politicized by the man in charge. but we should point out, of course, that it was security who did eventually deny the president's request to turn the car to the capitol that day. >> julia ainsley, thank you so much for your reporting this morning. you know, joe, for any of -- for anyone who has been following the threat to our democracy and just how close things came, have been following these hearings, it really is jarring to think about all the different moments that could have gone a different way. and also to hear these accounts of how unhinged trump was at the concept of losing. he literally couldn't accept it. he could not accept the concept that we work in a democracy with an election. sometimes you lose elections. and then, now, you hear that he is having dinners with private donors. he is coming to washington in the near future. he's talking about a potential 2024 run.

>> right. well, you go back. january 6th will follow him wherever he goes. we're going to be talking about that story in a second. i know he wants to get the nation's attention turned off of january 6th. that's not going to happen. but, you know, it was disturbing in the days after the riots at the capitol, after the attempted insurrection, hearing about how there were capitol hill cops who actually were on the side of the rioters. of course, we had heard that there were going to be investigations into that. but, jonathan lemire, how disturbing, and what can you tell us about the fact that these secret service agents, who, again, the secret service, somehow off the record, calling cassidy hutchinson a liar, calling everybody else -- i mean, it is kind of, like, what are you going to do? are you going to believe me or your lying eyes? that's the message secret service is saying off the record. and now, my god, the inspector

general demands text messages from january 5th and january 6th, which would tell us what the president was planning to do, and they erase them. this is not a bureaucratic snafu. they knew. by the way, they're smart enough to know, and their lawyers are smart enough to know, when you get a request for records, that's not the time to delete them. >> since when do things get deleted? >> there have to be legal consequences to that. but what can you tell us, jonathan, about this just extraordinary story, about how it appears the secret service is trying to cover for donald trump? >> yeah, this was a dubious explanation for the maintenance of secret service phones. it happens to be the two days the inspector general was requesting, january 5th and 6th.

look, there are pro-trump friendly elements in the secret service who remain to this day. to be clear, the vast majority of agents perform their jobs with great professionalism. it is a tough job, and they do it very well. executives and officials from both parties say so. but trump, as you noted, politicized a lot of law enforcement and a lot of -- we have a lot of police officers, a lot of federal agents and, yes, secret service agents who are pro-trump during his time in office. and we know that they came under great scrutiny after cassidy hutchinson's testimony. she said that trump, after finishing his speech at the ellipse, was in the presidential suv and demanded to be driven to the capitol along with the crowds that eventually would become the rioters. and there is video emerged that had him, at minminimum, having animated conversation with agents in the front seat. you can't see him reaching for the steering wheel, which is what cassidy hutchinson said she

was told he did, made clear it was secondhand, but there was a heated exchange in the suv. since then, a number of secret service agents have said off the record that, no, she's wrong. this didn't happen. it's a lie. that also defies particularly right now. i also want to mention tony arenado, the head of the detail for president trump, who moved into the west wing as a deputy for operations, is senior adviser to the president. he is someone still in secret service now, and he's the one cassidy hutchinson has said told her that this exchange, this heated exchange in the suv, happened. his credibility has been questioned repeatedly by other -- >> repeatedly. >> repeatedly, including for his misleading recounting of what happened in lafayette square park, when the president tried to clear it on june 1st after the george floyd riots in order to have a photo-op at a church.

>> yeah. >> there's a lot of questions right now the secret service needs to answer. an agency whose credibility has been damaged in recent years. >> maybe he hopes his buddy will go to jail and meet him there. mika, this is beyond outrageous, what is going on with the secret service. it's outrageous, the lies that they're telling behind the scenes. it's outrageous, again, that the inspector general says, "i asked for these texts on january 5th and january 6th," and they deleted them after the request. >> well, and i just -- i'll go further, and i don't understand an organization that is involved with the highest level of security in the united states of america that would just wipe phones and not download the contents and then update them. >> especially for january 5th and january 6th. >> it doesn't make sense, you're right.

>> you know, you know that people are going to want the text messages and the text exchanges for those two days. >> yeah. >> two of the most significant days. you know, this is like, actually, if there were text messages and emails, this would be like fdr's administration going out to the guy that was running the radio tower, saying, "please, if you could, preserve all of your electronic emails and correspondence from, you know, december 6th and december 7th, 1941." >> yeah. >> "so we can see what happened." then they destroy them. that's exactly what happened here. >> gene robinson, your latest column for the post is entitled "trump and trump alone turned january 6th into a debacle for our democracy." and you write, in part, this, it was donald trump and donald trump alone who summoned and loosed the mob that sacked the capitol, threatened congress and the vice president, and

imperilled our democracy. that is the powerful message that emerged from tuesday's televised hearing of the january 6th select committee. these hearings make clear just how dangerous it would be for the former president to be elected again. there are still dots left for the committee to connect, but the emerging picture is of one man who made the horrific events of january 6th happen. his name is donald trump. this matters, and not just for the history books. trump can't be let anywhere near power again. now that we know exactly how he will use it. here we have this week, gene, the former president meeting with donors, making news of himself by saying, "i'll make my decision when" -- you know, kind of talking about his decision to run. look, i think the man seems to get away with everything.

one thing he could get away with everything is to win re-election. >> right. i think he believes running for re-election, pretending he is going to, whether or not he goes through with it, also protects him from criminal prosecution. i think that's part of the reason why you hear all this flurry of trump is going to announce, trump is going to run. i think he wants to make the -- look, the january 6th committee is a disaster for him. you know, that last hearing pointed directly at donald trump as the author of january 6th. as liz cheney said, he is a 76-year-old man, not an impressional child. he knew what he was doing. he did it, he got caught. so i think part of this is that he wants to be able to say, it's

all political. the committee is political. the justice department that's investigating, that's all political. the fulton county district attorney in georgia, who is doing a very serious investigation of donald trump's attempt to overturn the will of the voters in georgia, is, you know -- that's all political. i think he believes, and this is just my opinion, but i think it is right, i think he believes that if he is an active candidate for president, that gives him better standing to say, "this is all political persecution." >> yeah. >> that he can, you kno -- that this is outrageous and i'm just being persecuted for political reasons. i think that's what we're going to hear other the next months and maybe over the next year. >> yeah. >> as these investigations close in on donald trump.

>> i mean -- >> as the noose tightens. >> yeah, he knows he is not going to win. he knows he's not. >> exactly. he can't. >> no chance of winning. he knew he had a chance of winning in 2016. he knows he is not going to win in 2024. he knows that. he also knows that you have an attorney general who, many on the right and the left, believe he is afraid of his own shadow. if merrick garland is afraid to bring charges when donald trump is not running, it is concluded that merrick garland is too weak to bring charges against a man who very clearly broke the law on january 6th. we've been dancing around this thing about conspiracy to commit sedition. >> yeah. >> january 6th was about treason. treason against the united states. >> the people who executed it have been charged. >> against the united states of america.

he tried to overthrow the united states government and put himself through the use of fascist force, put himself in the place of the dually elected president of the united states. and so donald trump knows he is in big trouble. willie, he is hoping that if he announces he is running for president, that republicans will be too stupid and too distracted to understand the need to have justice for somebody who committed treason against the united states. i'm sure he is cynically thinking that merrick garland will be too weak to follow through on what he has a responsibility to do, and prove once again that, in america, no man is above the law. >> donald trump may be still wrong on that. we'll see what garland and the department are working on. but treason, people have been hesitant to say it. if the meeting on december 18th

in the oval office with donald trump and sidney powell and michael flynn and rudy giuliani and all the rest of them isn't treasonous by the dictionary definition, i don't know what is. they're sitting unlawfully plotting to overthrow the government, period. they're trying to stage a coup. >> thank you. >> that's exactly what we saw. >> we will see if merrick garland -- we know he is watching. we know they're watching this while conducting their own investigation, but what a place to be for donald trump. the only way to avoid prosecution is run for president. how about that. let's turn to the u.s. capitol police officer, one of many, who heroically defended the capitol that day. officer dunn, great to have you back with us. thank you. >> morning. >> we had your colleague, capitol police officer on yesterday, aquilino gonell, and he went into some detail of what he went through that day, the injuries plaguing him 18 months since, and the word he got from his doctor that he couldn't

continue his career in law enforcement because of those injuries. you've been sitting alongside sergeant gonell in the hearing rooms the last several weeks. i wonder what it's been like for you to listen to -- you know a lot about what happened that day, but perhaps didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. that the president and others were not defending you, were not giving you what you needed. in fact, were clearing a path for the people who came into the capitol and attacked you. what has it been like to sit in that room and hear that testimony? >> well, good morning, willie. thanks for having me. it's been eye-opener. i've always had my opinions about what happened that day. i've had my opinions about the president. but it didn't matter who was in office, i do my job and uphold my oath faithfully. this committee is getting to the bottom of what actually was happening, and that's all i care

about, the facts. they're laying the facts on the table for everyone to see, even people who are supporters of the president. there is nothing you can deny. or if you want to deny it or refute what is being said, what is being done, come under oath and tell your side of the story. a lot of people may be silently agreeing with what is laid out. >> we were told of the cowardice of most republicans on capitol hill in the way they treated sergeant gonell since the attack. listen to what he told us yesterday. >> year and a half since i was injured, they know my injuries, only adam kinzinger and liz cheney have approached me from the other side. i don't hold any grudges. i'll be respectful to them, but they don't want to talk to me.

i still want to do my job like i did on january 6th. for me to -- in order for me to do my job, i don't need to express my opinion. if they want more confirmation of that, they could take a look at my injuries. as proof i can do my job and protect them without any political opinion expressed of my own. >> sergeant gonell, are you saying only adam kinzinger and liz cheney among republicans have spoken to you, checked in on you, see how you are doing, apologize, maybe, for what happened that day? they're the only two republicans? >> that is correct, sir. >> officer dunn, what's been your experience? sergeant gonell saying only liz cheney and adam kinzinger among republicans have even spoken to him since january 6th. have you heard from other republicans checking on you to see how you're doing, perhaps even apologizing for what happened that day? >> one thing i want to say about sergeant gonell is he's a great

american individual. he immigrated here, so he had to actually work to be an american. whereas, some people just take it for granted. so the oath he takes, that he took, means a lot more to him than it does the most average individuals. he's very passionate, and he deserves -- he's a hero. he's a very fine patriot of this country. >> yes. >> one thing i had to tell him is stop expecting yourself from other people. you have to put yourself and understand the type of person you are and understand that everybody isn't built like you. but as far as the other individuals that have reached out to me, people recognize me. i leave politics out of doing my job. i say hello to them, and i do my job and keep them -- protect the capitol in a safe, open environment. so i keep politics out of it. i'm not looking for any acknowledgment or anything like that. i'm looking for the justice department to get to the bottom

of what happened. >> have republicans reached out to you and said they're sorry? this seems like politics 101. >> it doesn't seem like politics, actually, "are you okay?" >> if i was there and something like this happened, i'd reach out, "how you doing? what do you need?" this isn't hard. have republicans called you to their office or asked to sit and talk to you about what happened that day? the horrible things that happened. >> a lot of them are cordial. we speak in passing conversations. i haven't had anybody turn their nose up at me. everybody is cordial, speaks and says hello. i don't seek getting into conversations about that. "hey, how is it going?" "i'm fine, how you doing? are a good day." keep it cordial. i think that's what it should be, professional relationship. >> officer dunn, what do you want people to know about what

happened on january 6th? i think it is important to stop and describe it from your eyes. so many people have tried to whitewash what happened that day, downplay what happened that day. oh, it was a protest that got out of hand. we know that isn't true from the january 6th committee. from your perspective, that day, what was it like to stand there and see that mob of people approaching the capitol, then understanding that they weren't just there for a protest? >> a couple thoughts run through my head. the first thing that pops into my head, you're all seeing me and sergeant gonell. there are so many other men and women of the capitol police force who fought bravely and heroically that day, you know, with a lot of law enforcement being scrutinized for being sympathizers or whatever. people are entitled to their opinions, but the men and women did their job regardless of any political affiliation. that's what we need from law

enforcement. seeing the crowd, it was something i'd never seen before. i've been at the capitol -- i'll start my 15th year in november, and i think it is safe to say i've seen over 1,000 protests. nothing to the point of this level of violence, this level of rage. these people were possessed. i've said it before, they were like possessed zombies. there wasn't any rational discussions that could be had with these people. you hear it, there were clips of people saying, "these people want blood." they showed it, and they drew it. >> my god. >> i'm so sorry for what you went through, and we are so grateful for your service to the country. it's not an overstatement to say you helped to save the democracy that day. officer harry dunn, thank you so much for being with us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks, willie. have a good day. >> you, too. >> thank you, sir. still ahead on "morning joe," congressman jamie raskin, who co-led this week's house select committee hearing, will be our guest this morning.

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35 past the hour. turning now to the war in ukraine. at least 23 people were killed yesterday after more missile attacks on a civilian location. cruise missiles from a russian ship in the black sea damaged a medical clinic, office, stores, residential buildings, in central ukraine, vinnytsia. among the dead are three children younger than 10 years old. more than 100 other people were reportedly injured in the strike. russia, meanwhile, continues to deny targeting civilians, despite a growing number of strikes against residential areas in recent weeks. joining us now from central

ukraine, nbc news correspondent ellison barber. what more can you tell us about the attack? >> mika, it is hard to find the words to describe what we are seeing. officials are demanding for russia to be labelled as a state sponsor of terrorism. this is an active scene, and the numbers are changing. we know 80 people are hospitalized. 117 people sought medical help. 11 are still missing. 23 people are dead. among them, three children, one who has now been identified by the regional governor as a 4-year-old named lisa. one horrific photo shows her lying in the street next to a stroller. i can't stop looking at her shoes. they look like shoes that my niece wears. they're so tiny. they are velcro straps because she is clearly far too young to possibly know how to tie her

shoes. there they are splattered with blood. shortly before the missiles hit, lisa's mom took this video of her walking along the street and posted it to instagram. there's also another video, a christmas video. ukraine's first lady recognized this little girl because she was at a christmas event with her. i can't stop thinking about the shoes, but this video, these images from the one her mom posted, the ones of her at christmas, these are the ones we should remember. a life, an entire future stolen, and for what? what crime could a 4-year-old possibly commit? we were at a hospital just yesterday talking to people who survived previous missile strike by russia. we met one man who showed us just all of the burns that he still has on his body. he has been in the hospital for weeks. he has severe burns up and down his arms. the back of his head, all along his neck. he's 24 years old. he's not a member of the military. he says he was working at an oil depot when russian missiles hit

it. i asked him if he had the chance to speak to the people who did this, what he would say. this is what we told us. >> translator: i have no words, what to say to them. these are just not human, the people who are doing this to us. i would not want their parents and their children to live through something like this. >> reporter: we see attacks like this in ukraine, and they're so much more than a headline. the trauma, the pain, physical and mental, that survivors deal with stays long after the rubble is gone, long after we know the final death toll. it is a forever thing. russia is claiming right now in

vinnytsia what they were going for. russia fired five missiles at vinnytsia. two intercepted, three hit city center. mika. >> nbc's ellison barber, thank you so much for bringing us those stories. willie, you know, the options are very limited, but the strategy to sort of run russia out and wear them down, i just don't know how much longer ukraine can take this. >> yeah. we had admiral stavridis on yesterday saying that's just plain and simple a war crime. it is war crime stacked upon war crime. they're attacking civilian targets, plain and simple. they're killing young children, little girls like the one we saw there, and it will continue. the united states continues to pledge its support one package after another of humanitarian and military support. we'll see how long we can keep that up. meanwhile, proceedings resumd this morning at the center of all this in russia for american basketball star

brittney griner who pleaded guilty last week to drug charges. members of the press were attacked inside the courthouse, the first time since the trial began. griner's attorney submitted 20 character references from charities and sports organizations, as well as medical records showing a history of injuries that resulted in severe chronic pain. the defense also submitted a document granting permission for the use of cannabis for medical purposes to treat severe chronic pain. it was issued by arizona's department of health and the player's doping test results, all of which were negative. griner appeared in court yesterday for testimony for character witnesses, including the head of the russian club she plays for in the offseason and a teammate from the squad, as her defense appeals for leniency in a case that carries a sentence of up to ten years in prison. griner has been held in russia since her arrest at a moscow airport in february, where officials say they found vape

cartridges containing cannabis oil in her luggage. last week, griner acknowledged to the court the cartridges were, in fact, hers but she packed them by mistake. the u.s. considers her wrongly detained by russia. the trial resumes july 26th. mika. coming up, a 10-year-old rape victim from ohio has become a flashpoint in the debate over abortion. first, some republicans called her story a hoax. now, indiana's attorney general is investigating the doctor who helped the girl. and in texas, attorney general ken paxton is suing the federal government after the biden administration said hospitals must provide abortions to save a mother's life. paxton's democratic challenger joins us next to weigh in on that. "morning joe" is coming right back. that

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46 past the hour. a case in ohio is highlighting the deep divide in the country over abortion. following the reversal of roe v. wade, police arrested a man for raping a 10-year-old girl. the girl then having to travel to another state to get an abortion. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez has the very latest. >> reporter: at an arrangement in columbus, ohio, a judge ordered 27-year-old rape suspect, fuentez, to be held on bail. >> she just turned 10 years old. >> reporter: he confessed to raping and impregnating a

10-year-old girl. the girl traveled to ohio, which banned most abortions, to neighboring indiana to end the pregnancy. it's become the flashpoint in the abortion debate following the reversal of roe v. wade. it was first reported earlier this month by the "indianapolis star" news, citing an ob-gyn in indianapolis. the story went viral. last week, president biden brought it up. >> imagine being that little girl. i'm serious, just imagine being that little girl, 10 years old. >> reporter: but over the next several days, republicans, including ohio's attorney general, cast doubt on the story. >> we have regular contact with prosecutors and local police and sheriffs. not a whisper anywhere. >> reporter: then after the suspect's arrest, he issued a written statement. my heart aches for the pain suffered by this young child. i am grateful for the diligent work of the columbus police department in securing a confession and getting the

rapist off the street. now, a new editorial corrected the record, writing, it appears president biden was accurate. still, indiana's republican attorney general says he'll investigate the ob-gyn who performed the procedure for failing to report it. that ob-gyn says, in part, doctors must be able to give people the medical care they need, when and where they need it. the case highlighting divisions in the country as states scramble to get their own laws. >> it is a horrible truth, realizing these horrible things are going to happen to children and other people in your state because of the really severe restrictions that are placed. >> reporter: to those who oppose abortion. >> with so many questions about what really happened, it's a real shame that the biden administration rushed to exploit this poor little girl's situation. >> wow, the whole thing is crazy. gabe gutierrez with that report. meanwhile, the state of texas is challenging the biden

administration's new federal requirement that abortions be provided in medical emergencies to save the life of the mother or a 10-year-old girl. texas attorney general paxton filed a lawsuit, arguing the administration's requirement forces hospitals and doctors to commit crimes and risk their license under texas law. in a statement, paxton wrote, in part, quote, the biden administration seeks to transform every emergency room in the country into a walk-in abortion clinic. joining us now, democratic nominee, garza, hoping to unseat paxton in november. good to have you on the show. explain to us why you feel your opponent needs to be replaced. >> thank you for having me on. my name is rochelle garza, i'm running for attorney general here in the state of texas. i'm a civil rights attorney, a new mom to a 3-month-old daughter.

and i'm angry. i'm running against ken paxton because i want to stop what he is doing. this is state-sanctioned killing of women. we need to vote him out before he turns texas into a morgue and takes that nationwide. >> so i'm trying to, you know, comprehend all the different extremes in this case, which really highlights exactly what you're talking about. what would you say, i mean, what is your argument about who and what your republican counterparts stand for? >> this is absolute extremism. taking away rights from women, like they did with the fall of roe, wasn't enough for them. now, they're going after all women. you know, this is just another example of the extreme agenda that we are seeing from people

like ken paxton. ken paxton should be worrying about his own criminal matters. he has been under criminal indictment for over seven years. he's under fbi investigation and has ties to the january 6th insurrection. they should be worrying about those issues instead of attacking women, and texans aren't going to put up with it. this is not who we are, and we're going to vote him out come november. >> it took a while for paxton admit this case happened, but he also says he's not trying to take away protections of women in the case of the mother's life being threatened. what do you say to that? >> well, that's absolutely not true. that's exactly what he is litigating. he is requesting that emergency services not be provided to women that need to have an emergency abortion. that is the heart of this litigation. so it is cruel, what he is

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don't think there's anybody better. >> reporter: she would later become a fixture in the tabloids during the couple's public divorce in 1992. even making a cameo in the movie "the first wives club." >> get everything. >> reporter: she said recently she was on good terms with mr. trump, saying they spoke once a week. in a statement, her family writing, our mother was an incredible woman, a force in business, a world-class athlete, a radiant beauty, and a caring mother and friend. she will be dearly missed by her mother, her three children, and ten grandchildren. >> ivana trump was 73 years old. she has an amazing story as an immigrant coming to america, and she was, when the trump enterprises began, a big part of that. part of sort of helping design everything and also that sort of branding technique that trump uses to this day.

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president biden is wrapping up his visit to the holy land with a joint appearance, just moments ago, with the leader of the palestinian authority. next up, saudi arabia and a face-to-face meeting with crown prince bin salmon, ahestraing t an american journalist, jamal khashoggi. judging by the poll numbers, the midterms are the gop's to lose, and they might do just that, with fringe candidates taking center stage. we'll talk about republican fears of a general election debacle. willie. let's begin this hour with the president's trip to saudi arabia. let's begin in jetta with international correspondent keir simmons. what do we expect to see from the president today?

>> reporter: well, we expect the president to arrive in just a few hours' time. he will then meet with king salman for a bi-lat. then meet with crown prince bin salman and other officials here in saudi arabia. a meeting that will be closely watched but behind closed doors. it is incredibly complex diplomacy on the surface because you have the issues of iran, of oil prices. you have the issues of the killing of jamal khashoggi. all of these things are going to be looked at closely and, yet, here in saudi arabia, just look at the front page of the arab news here, they are headlining on biden's visit to saudi arabia, may it reassert u.s. regional influence? a pivot away from the middle east was a mistake. the headlines tell you a lot about the feeling here, that

america has been missing in action in the middle east for some time, particularly here in the gulf. willie, when you talk to ordinary folks here, and i've spent much time talking to people on the streets, members of the royal family, to some members of the establishment, there is a real enthusiasm for seeing economic change, the kinds of change that mohammed bin salman has been trying to bring about here. i think what jamal khashoggi was talking about before his death, the question of whether or not an autocracy like saudi arabia is able to really make those changes, that is still a question, an open question for many people. remember, this country, 50% of this country are under the age of 25. they do have huge economic challenges that they have to face. you know, willie, i think one of the crunch issues here is going to be the inevitable tension

between president biden's foreign policy for the middle class, for the american middle class, and his values-based foreign policy. how can you urge saudi arabia, the uae, and other gulf countries to increase the supply of oil to bring down gas prices while, at the same time, demanding that people who have been outspoken or released from jail are allowed to travel, insisting saudi arabia face what happened with jamal khashoggi? it is a tight rope that president biden is going to have to walk here today. >> yeah, the white house has been cagey about whether or not he'll directly confront mbs about jamal khashoggi, saying, we always talk about human rights. keir simmons from jetta, saudi arabia, thank you so much. mika. former president donald trump's bid for re-election appears all but certain. in a new interview with "new

york" magazine, trump tells the reporter, quote, in my own mind, i've already made that decision. he says, the only thing left to decide is whether to announce before or after the midterms. trump told the magazine that a benefit to announcer before the midterms would be to clear the republican field. saying, quote, i think a lot of people would not even run if i did because, if you look at the polls, they don't even register. that's actually not true. recent polls show florida governor ron desantis tied or ahead of trump in some key states. however, trump claimed in the interview he doesn't even consider desantis to be a rival. when the topic of the many state and federal investigations into the former president came up, he denied that shielding himself from prosecution is a reason for running. claiming, quote, i did nothing wrong. joe, i'm not even going to give that last comment a thought.

>> of course he did. perfect phone call, did nothing wrong. i ran around saying my vice president should be lynched. >> i think the comments about ron desantis are interesting and put ron desantis in an interesting position. >> it's still donald trump's party, no doubt about it. that said, there is obviously more question of whether he can do the primary and win state after state after state as he did in 2016. probably more questions since ted cruz beat him in the first contest in iowa. in the iowa caucuses in 2016. jonathan lemire, though, obviously, donald trump has been your beat for a very long time. the white house your beat. what can you tell us? >> well, if he says he didn't do anything wrong, we should take his word and be done with it, clearly. what he said with the "new york" magazine is interesting, and he's been hinting at this for a

while. his mind is made up, and he is going to run. it's a question of timing. certainly, most republicans are -- the last thing they want is him to jump in before the midterms. they feel they've got a good environment this november to win back the house and have a good shot at the senate, as well. less of a sure thing, to be clear. they feel like trump jumping in would be a distraction, would change the conversation, what they want it to be about, which is about inflation and president biden's currently poor poll numbers. some republicans are getting nervous right now, issues are forefront, like abortion rights, which democrats have more of the public support. certainly, the public as a whole disgusted by what they saw on january 6th. these hearings in the news is the belief of people who i talk to in trump's orbit is why trump is itching to get back in. change the conversation away from january 6th. to change the conversation away from the criminal investigations. and, yes, to try to scare off

other republicans from directly challenging him. but i'm cautioned, i've been told the decision has not been made on timing. it may slip to after november if people around the former president can convince him to wait. >> you look at the issues that are forefront right now. it seems the republicans on the state or national level are taking the most extreme positions. >> unbelievable. >> in texas yesterday, texas republicans suing to not protect the life of a mother in the case of if she is having complications that could kill her. they're saying they don't want that exception. mika, so many other issues, as well. >> and the question is, you know, are americans -- and the polls show that, you know, they resoundingly support some key issues that republicans are look crazy on. whether it's abortion. whether it's guns. whether it's january 6th. the question is, will that filter down to the voting booth?

we want to look at a major shift in demographics for democrats and republicans. new polling released this week by "the new york times" and siena college shows considerable changes in support for the two parties. for the first time in this survey, democrats had a larger share of support among white college graduates than non-white voters. as recently as the 2016 congressional elections, democrats won more than 70% of non-white voters, while losing among white college graduates. meanwhile, republicans are making substantial gains among hispanic voters. democrats had a 47-point advantage with the group during the 2018 midterm elections. it shrunk to 21 points. now, it is nearly even with democrats, holding a slim 41% to 38% advantage with hispanic. another key finding from the

"times"/siena poll, less affluence, non-white, and moderate voters who say the economy or inflation is the biggest problem facing the country, preferred republican control of congress. 62% to 25%. voters who said abortion, guns, or threats to democracy are the biggest problem facing the country backed democrats by a wide margin. we have a great panel to discuss this. the host of msnbc's "politics nation," president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. the host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. and msnbc contributor kumar. columnist at the conservative website, amanda carpenter joins us. and political strategist and

pollster, frank lunz. great group. >> love seeing you all here. rev, you've been warning about this now for five years. you have been warning on this show, on your show, anywhere that anybody will listen to you, that the democratic party is too woke for a lot of people of color that you talk to, and you've said that it is going to impact democrats. we look at this poll now, and these are some pretty shocking numbers for democrats who thought that all people of color belong to their party forever. >> i think that what the democratic party must read from this poll, and what many of us have been trying to say, is that you can theorize all you want in the ivory tower, but people live on the ground. people buy groceries. people pay for gas. people live on the ground. it's like you and i are

baptists. we say in the church, pie in the sky, by and by, when you die it's good, but i need something sound on the ground while i'm around. i think that's what a lot of these progressives do not understand. you've got to deal with people's everyday problems, and if you deal with them, they will come out and vote. if you don't deal with them, you're going to end up disappointed in the end. i think the best thing that could happen to democrats is if trump would announce early. because then you could start talking about how a lot of what we're dealing with inflation and other problems started under his watch. i think that it would be the best thing in the world. they should get people to get "run, donald, run" signs out when he appears in washington. really get him to go. rally to get him to go. because i think if we had trump out there and baby trump desantis is put to the side -- >> baby trump. >> -- i think we could see them

charts start to tilt these polls a little. but other than that, they'll have to deal with the things that people deal with every day. >> maria, we have seen hispanics moving away from democrats at an extraordinarily quick pace since 2016. it seems that republicans, republican presidential candidates get somewhere between, you know, other than george w. bush, get somewhere between 27%, 28%, and 32%, 33% of hispanic voters. now, were seeing parody in this latest poll, which is actually, if you look at the trend lines over the past four years, that makes a lot of sense. what's going on? >> joe, first of all, we've had this conversation before, and what we've seen in the latino community is very much a generational divide. if you look at latino voters over the age of 45, 6 out of 10 voted for biden. if you look at latinos under the age of 45, 7 out of 10 voted for biden. when you look at the local level, we're talking about

georgia, arizona, texas, north carolina, the potential where they have to flip states, that number actually creeps up even higher. the reason it creeps up very high, because we're not talking about republican/democrat in the traditional way. the moment there is a maga republican, you see a large group of latinos who flip over to the democratic side because they understand what maga republicans mean for their own personal safety. voter latino, we did polls because we were seeing these polls showing the deflection. it turns out that when it comes to the bread and butter issues, they're absolutely right. al sharpton is absolutely right. they want people to figure out how they can make end's meet. but what is happening in the democratic party, they are not communicating with folks at the local level of the great things the democrats are doing. what i mean by that, we did a poll and found close to 59% of latino voters, while they believed in infrastructure, had no idea who is responsible for

that. at the same time, the number one reason latinos voted for president trump, you're going to believe this, because he signed the relief recovery checks from covid. they attributed that to him. one of the things democrats need to do is understand, what are the good things they're delivering to the latino community and americans in general? at the same time, when someone signs a check, does it mean it was his money? it was your own money for the tax workers. we did a poll where we found by explaining this simple concept of what the democrats have been delivering, we saw close to a 23% lift in the ads we ran. we're about to roll them out, but it is, again, very inside baseball, very local level, very much state by state, and that's a strategy the democrats need to deploy. >> out doing focus groups, running polls yourself. you look at this so closely, frank. what the recent polling shows, really, is that the democratic party is becoming more elite, if you want to put it that way, more college educated, more white, and losing ground in

almost every other category. there does seem to be a divide between sort of the activist class that you see on twitter and actual people living on the ground, as rev says. how do you capture what's going on here? >> i capture it by stepping out of the traditional democratic and republican divide. we truly, really need to do so. it is not democrats or republicans who think the country is headed in the wrong direction. it is everybody. it is not democrats and republicans who think that the institutions aren't delivering. you have the lowest level of trust in america's institutions ever measured in america. it is not a democrat or republican suffering with inflation or the fear of crime, the chaos at the border. it is everyone. i think one of the problems is that we start to divide each other into partisanship, into tribes. i've been criticized for using that phrase, "tribes," but it is that way. when you demonize, destruct, and try to destroy, it undermines

the public's faith and confidence in the future. right now, you have the latino vote which is the greatest challenge for the democrats because they've simply said, enough. all caps, exclamation point, enough with democrats ignoring them. on the republican side, you've got suburban, middle-aged, particularly white women who are hostile to the gop because of their extremism on abortion. both political parties are facing this tension internally and externally. the last point is, joe biden and donald trump are losing support among their own voters. the public is saying to them, quite clearly, please give us another choice. give us another opportunity. the greatest thing on the minds -- or i should say the fears of americans is that we have a repeat of 2020. donald trump is the nominee of the republicans. joe biden is the nominee of the democrats. they're saying not just no, hell no. >> wow. amanda carpenter, your thought on this?

i think one of the interesting things that we've just noted here is the republicans gaining strength among hispanics. >> yeah. in particular, we saw that happen in florida with the republican outreach to the latino community there. you know, i just -- the democrats do have some things to work through. inflation is a problem. joe biden's approval numbers are a problem. but if anyone thinks that donald trump announcing his bid for the presidency early is somehow the answer doesn't have faith in the democratic party, okay. the democrats have opportunities here for the reasons that frank pointed out. you don't need donald trump on the ballot to point to the extremism and the magnification of the republican party. you have candidates who should be able to easily win their races in places like georgia and pennsylvania, but because the republican primary voters nominated people so far outside the mainstream, democrats have an opportunity for a pickup. it's just amazing to me that

even though the economy is doing poorly, that doesn't necessarily translate into someone saying, "oh, okay, i'm going to vote for dr. oz and herschel walker to solve my problems." the democrats have so much to work with. somehow relying on this, i think, really abominable strategy of boosting terrible republicans because they think they'll be weaker candidates to beat in a general election is misguided. it's like no one remembers what happened in 2016. >> yeah, it is playing with fire. i mean, you know, we're seeing it time and time again. democrats are trying to get the most dangerous, the most extreme republicans to win primaries, thinking they're going to win. again, this doesn't work all the time. it doesn't even work half the time. if somebody is a threat to american democracy, they're a threat to american democracy. you want them to get beaten as soon as possible in the process.

so, donny deutsch, i wanted to pick up on what frank said. i think he's right, and it sounds a lot like what you've said before. you know, there's so many democrats who are just -- and this pre-dated joe biden, but democrats who really feel disconnected from their own party. there are republicans, obviously, now, a growing number, who feel disconnected from donald trump. if you look at the david brooks column this morning in the "times," i mean, more independents, i think, non-affiliated voters, than republicans or democrats. it really does say, you look at the polls, that there's a real political realignment going on out there. >> yeah. at the end of the day, this election is going to come down to two things. which are people more afraid of? are they more afraid of

continuing inflation and an economy going in the wrong direction, or are they more afraid of crazy? abortion craziness. we talked about this story earlier on, a 10-year-old who couldn't get an abortion. about insurrectionists, as we watch january 6th every day. guns, our kids not being able to go to school and being safe. which wins out? the democrats, i believe, it's not their only play but the right play is to just make people terrified of crazy. the election was the economy, stupid. make it, it's the crazy, stupid. that's the play. if you picture someone going into a booth, say there is a replay of the election, trump versus biden, and neither party is happy with their choices. is somebody walking in going, i'm concerned about my bread and my gas. am i really concerned about that we are just going off the rails? which one begrudgingly gets the vote? off the rail strategy for the democrats is the playbook, i

think. >> i'll say for the thousandnth time, the macron and le pen election, many didn't like macron, thought he was an elitist. they thought le pen understand their lives better but said she is too crazy to run the government. seems to be the democrat strategy right now. frank luntz, look at dr. oz in pennsylvania. fetterman is ahead of him. jd vance who is shape-shifting before our eyes. tim ryan up by nine in that poll. you have herschel walker in georgia, much to the chagrin of most georgia republicans. how does this shake out? yes, it's the economy, stupid. it's usually it's the economy, stupid. but i met you in 1994. republicans swept into power. they won big. nobody stopped to say, hey, wait

a second, the economy was really, really good. when people like me got elected, we got elected by saying, washington going in the wrong direction. where are we now in '22? >> well, i think it's the reason why republicans are very likely to win the house, and democrats are likely to win the senate. republicans in the house are running on an agenda. it's got a commitment to america. we'll be seeing some of the items they're going to include. the senators, because of donald trump's involvement, he was choosing people, endorsing -- well, make no mistake, donald trump is the most popular republican in america today, but he is also the most hated republican. he can absolutely influence the primary, but he can destroy you in the general election. and his flirting with potentially running for office again has got republicans scared crazy. the only thing that could prevent house republicans, and i want to be clear here, the only thing that can prevent house

republicans from achieving the majority is if it becomes an election about donald trump, and if he announces before the election, before the midterm elections, that will change everything. he's already shown by his support for candidates that are much less likely to win the senate, and he's not had -- donald trump wants to be the center of attention. congratulations, mr. trump, you are. congratulations, you are single-handedly undermining the gop's prospects for 2022. you know what? he doesn't care. and the truth is, one last point about what donny deutsch said. his strategy is correct, but think of the consequences. if you're trying to demonize people, if the whole campaign -- and you control the house, control the senate. you control the white house. the democrats have every level of power. if their only answer to 2022 is to say, "hey, but the republicans are worse," what does that say about the democrats? what does that say about

america? what does that say about us as people? if you continue to demonize, at some point, you lose trust and confidence in everything. we can't keep doing that, joe. >> we can't. >> yeah, no question about it. you look at issue by issue, that is what's happening. maria, on the question of immigration, i'm curious what you make of that as a core issue, as we look at the latino voters who have shifted by all this polling toward the republican party in the last two, four years. you had that special election down along the border where a republican, flores, won a district that a republican hadn't won in a long time. she was campaigning on the issue of immigration. how does that play into these shifts we're seeing? >> you know, i'm glad you brought up that race. what folks don't realize is that there was little investment in that race because she's only going to be in congress for less than three months. her district is going to be consolidated in a strongly democratic district.

so that was one of the reasons folks weren't paying attention to it. that said, the issue of the border patrol specifically, because that is really what she was running on. she's the wife of a border patrol agent. when democrats are saying they're going to demolish i.c.e. on the border, you can imagine that not playing well. it is one of the biggest employers that a strong middle-class family can count on. the democrats need a frank conversation of what they mean by law enforcement and what they mean by making reforms in the police and at the border. but i also want to make sure that we are all clear. i think we're all saying the same thing. when there is a maga republican on the ballot and you're a latino, you know exactly what that means. you know that it terrorizes your family. you know the moment you walk out there, doesn't matter if you are an american citizen, it creates a chilling effect among latinos and their rights. so what we're finding at voter latino, we are the largest voter outfit and we're effective.

registered 600,000 folks. mobilized 3.7 million. our job is to understand the latino voter. it is not a defection. folks are saying, democrats, you're not doing enough so im oo going to sit it out. the job of the democrats is to communicate why they're doing it. not just that maga is on the agenda, because it is, but what are you doing to deliver? one of the things we know to do that would actually also be pass not just the infrastructure bill, the american recovery act, but also consider, how do you think about actually forgiving student loans? not just for the latino community but young people. for young people, for americans, 45 and younger, the likelihood they voted for joe biden was huge compared to americans who were over 45 who disproportionately voted for trump. >> maria, we need to go to break, but i do need a follow-up quickly here. there are a lot of people on the border, a lot of latinos on the border that voted against the

chaos, that voted against the crime, that voted against the madness that's been going on at the southern border. it is anarchy down there in the eyes of a lot of people who live there. >> but it's not. joe, i've been -- >> hold on. let me keep talking. >> yeah. >> let me finish. there are also a lot of latinos who told "the new york times," told other outlets that went down there that they voted for a republican for business reasons. they were pro-oil industry. they thought that the socialist message had an impact. so do you really think the message is go left, go left, go left? >> no. joe, no. >> bring them back into the fold. >> not at all. that's what i'm saying. i'm glad you brought up the oil industry. there are two employers in the southern border that are very important. one is the gas and oil. the other is, for a good paying job, the border patrol. one of the challenges for the democratic party in 2020, you saw trump being an effective campaigner. he was there all the time.

what we didn't see was president nominee border, not once. you have to do retail politics at the end of the day. what we are seeing is a new investment by the democratic party in the south. there are organizations that are coming down and investing real money. but they have to be consistent. it can't be this fly by night. i'll share with you, i spent some time in uvalde after the tragedy. i'm in contact with one of the state senators there. one of the things that he tells me straight forwardly is that it is an area of neglect by both parties. there needs to be investments. people are basically opting out of participation. when we're talking about people turning out in the board e, we're not talking about hundreds of thousands. we're talking about the elections being won by less than 1,000, 2,000 votes. they're leaving voters on the table, joe. >> maria and frank, thank you both very much. great conversation. everyone else stay with us. ahead, we're going to talk more

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jersey because it's, like, the best place ever, and we're all hot messes. but i want to say best of luck to you. i know you're away from home and you're in a new place, but jersey will not forget you. i just want to let you know. i will not forget you. don't worry because you'll be back home in jersey soon. this is only temporary. good luck. you got this. jersey love you. >> that is snooki, of course, of "jersey shore" fame, with a shoutout to dr. oz who is facing criticism that he is not native to the state. he's now running to represent in the united states senate. he lived in new jersey for many, many, many years until he decided to run for the senate in pennsylvania. john fetterman, his opponent in the state of pennsylvania, retweeting that and posting the video from snooki. a recent poll found mehmet oz down 6 points to the democrat, john fetterman, in the senate race. again, allegations that oz only moved to the state to run for

office have hounded his campaign, and he barely survived a very close republican primary that went to a recount. pennsylvania is one of four swing states where the republican party's strong chance to win races are now in question because of the candidates. in georgia, republicans were looking to win back the senate seat that cost them the upper house in 2020. a new poll of the race shows democrat incumbent raphael warnock with a 50% lead over republican nominee herschel walker, but it is virtually a tie. walker's personal issues could cost republicans that election. republicans running for other seats are doing better. governor brian kemp beating stacey abrams by 7 points. president biden's approval is only 34%. arizona's republican primary is next month, and after receiving an endorsement from former president trump, blake mathers is surging into the lead.

he is one of the only republicans to openly support a national ban on abortion and named the unabomber as an underappreciated thinker during a podcast during this campaign. one of the biggest headaches for senate republicans is in missouri, where former governor eric greitens could win the nomination. greitens was forced to resign from office in 2018 amid allegations of sexual misconduct and campaign finance violations. he denied any wrongdoing but has continued to court controversy. he saw backlash from both sides of the aisle after releasing a campaign ad showing him purporting to hunt rhinos with guns. those are republicans in name only. joining us now, staff writer at the liebervich. donny deutsch, al sharpton, jonathan lemire, is with us, as

well. amanda, i want to go back to the loony candidates republicans are running. yes, they are weak, but some are running closely despite their insane positions or accusations against them. but this idea that they should be boosted, that democrats, super pacs are giving money to their campaigns and trying to elevate them, as you said earlier, the first thing a lot of us thought was that was the running philosophy in 2016. yeah, let donald trump be the nominee, and hillary clinton will wipe him out. >> yeah, that may have been sort of an acceptable strategy in the politics of the past. but now it seems so disingenuous. when democrats talk about why donald trump poses this existential crisis to american democracy, then turn right around and spend money to boost

the name id of these maga republican candidates who are fellow election deniers, insur insurrectionist apologists, it's hard to put it aside. this is what democrats have going for them, where they should focus. there are so many senate and gubernatorial candidates who are far outside the mainstream. those kind of races, the governors and senators are the most likely to be nationalized. you don't have to dig deep in the red districts to hold up marjorie taylor greene being emblematic of the party. you have dr. oz, herschel walker, potentially lake out in arizona, spending millions of dollars promoting their wild ideas about how january 6th wasn't a big deal. you know what? donald trump is probably right, we should pardon the people who broke into the capitol. but in order for that to work, the democrats have to find a big message to put all these things under. i think it adds up to a theme of

dangerous chaos. senate right republicans take for granted, right, elections will be decided and losers will concede gracefully. women will have a right to reproductive care. pro-life women like me who might need to engage in ivf, if an emp embryo is destroyed in the process, it's not a murder. we can talk about these things. we can talk about the violence in our schools. but, you know, the republicans, at every opportunity, they just introduce more chaos into the process. you have to think about things like that to relate it to people and not just relying on, oh, donald trump was scary and, you know, maybe we should run him again because he is a weaker candidate. >> for the historical record, the snooki video, which is a cameo, an app, anyone can do that, cost the fetterman campaign $393.75. that seems to be money well spent.

we have a common theme among a lot of these fringey republican candidates who democrats are trying to boost because they think they can beat them in november. it's their loyalty to donald trump. that's what your new book is about. >> very

>> i mean, it is a very easy one. dr. cause might not be a perfect one, because he is not as cringing as some of these other people. ing as some of the other people. >> a few years ago they thought they had no shot.

>> it seems like george is the perfect test case. in the governor's race that governors do not have a french candidate. candidate. this seems to be the dilemma the republicans are in. >> i think the democrats have to show that they understand life on the ground. people's concerns from inflation to high crime. people are worried about how crime is on the uptick. they have to show that they can govern and in the face of that show how these loony candidates not only are representing something loony, but do you really want them in charge of governing while we are dealing with gun violence and women's

right to choose and other things under threat. i think it is not either/or but both/and. i think what raphael warnock is doing is saying i will put the clean glass here and the dirty glass there. people on the ground feel we are in crisis. who do you want to manage a crisis? someone who says there is good air over china? >> amanda, i'm wondering what you think the chances are that the republican party will ever be able to come back to the republican party it once was? >> the only possible remedy is more punishing losses as a consequence of their support of donald trump and his extremism and continued culture wars. we've already lost the house, the senate, the white house. i guess we have to do it again.

the third time was not a charm. losses are the only way the republican party will retaliate. >> amanda, reverend al sharpton and mark, thank you very much. marks new book out this week is entitled thank you for your servitude:donald trumps washington and the price of submission. still ahead, saudi arabia for the first time has opened its airspace to israeli airlines to fly to and from the country. the historic decision comes as president biden prepares to board air force one in tel aviv for a trip to the kingdom, and a meeting with the crown prince. we will discuss what is at stake with a member of the foreign relations committee. we will also ask about the state of the presidents domestic agenda in the upper chamber. plus, a member of the january 6th select committee, morning joe will be right back. commit commit joe will be right

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♪[ music ] ♪ >> welcome back to morning joe. it is just about the top of the third hour, 8:00 on the east coast. that is a shot of pensacola, florida, the most beautiful beaches on earth. as we begin the wall street journal reports the sun does mike select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capital meant privately last night. among the topics discussed was whether or not to seek an interview with former vice president mike pence. no decision was made. committee member adam kinzinger said lawmakers could request a

written interview or issue a subpoena. adam kinzinger tells the journal of the committee is weighing whether to ask donald trump to testify. that is likely a criminal referral of trump to be made to the justice department. we will be seen whether or not that happens. the final hearing is set for next thursday and will focus on donald trumps behavior while the capital was under attack. here is a look at some of the key evidence and testimony presented in the seven public hearings so far. >> i do not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen, and putting out this stuff, which i told the president. >> it affected my perspective. i respect the attorney general. i accepted what he said. >> there are suggestions by mayor giuliani to declare victory and say that we won outright.

>> was there anyone in that conversation who in your observation had too much to drink? >> mayor rudy giuliani. the mayor was definitely intoxicated. >> the noise from the riders became audible. at which time we recognize that maybe they had gotten in the building. president trump then tweeted mike pence did not have the courage to do what should've been done to detect our country and our constitution. >> it was clear that it was escalating and escalating. esc. when the mike pence tweet was sent out, i remember us saying that was the last thing that needed to be tweeted at the moment. the situation was already bad. it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire. >> the secret service could not

control the situation. >> it to:20 6 pm the secret service rushed vice president pence down the stairs. >> approximately 40 fee, that is all there was between the vice president and the mob. make no mistake about the fact that the vice president's life was in danger. a recent court filing by the department of justice explains that a confidential informant from the proud boys told the fbi the proud boys would have killed mike pence is given a chance. >> it is a new pattern or a pattern in our lives to worry what will happen on saturdays because we have areas groups come by. >> it had his name, you committed treason. may god have mercy on your soul with a slowly twisting gift of a noose. >> some people broke into my daughter-in-law's home. my son has passed. she is a widow. she has two kids. we are very concerned about her safety also. >> there were people at her home.

they just started pushing their way through, claiming that they were coming in to make a citizens arrest. >> you also noted mr. rosen said to mr. trump the doj can and will not snap his fingers and change the outcome of the election. how did the president respond, sir? >> he responded very quickly saying essentially that is not what i am asking. what i am asking is to say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. >> i overheard the president say something to the effect of i think they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me. let my people in. >> i opened the door and i walked in. i saw general plan, i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval. again, i don't think that they were provided -- first of all, the overstock person, i didn't

know who this guy was. the first thing i did, i walked in and looked at him and said who are you? >> was the meeting tends? >> oh yeah. it was not a casual meeting. >> explained. >> at times there were people shouting at each other, throwing insults at each other. >> at 1:40 2 am on december 19, 2020, shortly after the last participants left the unhinged meeting trumps sent out the tweet with his explosive invitation. trump repeated his lie and claimed it was statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election before calling for a big protest in dc on january 6. be there, we will be wild. trump supporters responded immediately.

>> why did you decide to come to washington on january 6th? >> for me personally i was pretty hard-core into the social media, facebook, twitter, instagram. i followed president trump on all of the websites. he basically put out, you know, come to the stop the steal rally. i felt like i needed to be here. >> why did you decide to march to the capital? >> basically the president got everybody riled up, told everybody to head-on down. we were basically just following what he said. >> all that and with another hearing to come next week. in just a moment we will bring in members of the january 6

select committee. the first the associate editor of the washington post. it is great to have you. you watched along with us and you been watching these hearings for several weeks. your books were frankly in many ways a preview to everything that you are hearing. your look inside of this trump white house and how it operated up until the end. what have you made of the detail of the testimony of the case made by this committee? >> it is stunning, absolutely stunning. i think the issues right now are twofold. first, legally and that is in the hands of the attorney general garland. as we have discussed before there is a battle royale going on in the justice department and in the administration about whether to charge trump. i don't think anyone knows the answer to that. the other aspects of this is political.

if i may give an antidote that really struck me, about five or six weeks ago i was in midland, texas, the oil capital of texas where everyone is a republican. i was giving a talk and after the talk there was a reception of 20-25 people from midland. they asked me questions and i said let me ask you a question. you are all republicans in midland both bushes had lived there. do you think that the election was stolen from donald trump? if so, raise your hand. not a single hand went up. i was surprised. i said, but what are you going to do vote for trump? every hand went out. this issue, you know, we have to face the reality that trump

has the largest political machine and following in american politics now, other than maybe an incumbent president. this is an issue about trump. was the election stolen? i think people do not want to discuss that. trump wants to discuss it. here we are in the political world, which is where this is going to be played out, i think. >> i want to hear more about the about a royale. when you look at intent, i am told time and time again the issue is intent, you can look in terms of what the committee has revealed of what trump did and did not do. you ask yourself how could a crime not have been committed? in terms of the justice

department and the dangers of charging a former president the same question, what are the dangers of not acting, given what this committee has laid out methodically? >> that is exactly the issue. there are strong arguments on both sides about this, but if trump in all of the reporting that is coming out, including in my paper, the washington post. we have talked about this weeks ago. trump is going to run. he says i am going to do it. the question now is when? what is the strategic calculation not so much by him, because i think he is driven by emotions, but by the advisors. what i found very interesting in reporting on this that one of the arguments that people are making to trump to say you

really have to run is the very interesting argument that look, if you run and win, then this is the greatest political comeback. the greatest second act in american political history. this idea of doing something that no one else has done is very appealing to him. i think we are in a world obviously of uncertainty, but trump has lost the argument. people i've talked to who deal with trump say look, he has two run not on 2020, but about the future. he has to run on the republican issues against joe biden and

the democrats, namely inflation. >> bob, it is jonathan. grover cleveland would like to have a word about trump. certainly your point is well taken that if he were to be elected again, after all that we have lived through, after the events of january 6th that will be a political comeback for the ages. part of this january 6th committee's goal is to prevent that from happening. they are trying to show he is a danger to the republic, a danger to the democracy. they are also trying to point the department of justice toward essential criminal charges. we have a hearing coming up in six days that will depict the dereliction of duty of thin president trump on january 6th. to what you have seen so far, do you think the doj has seen enough to potentially bring some sort of charge against the former president?

>> that is exactly the right question. i think the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. if i may say this, the january 6th committee runs the risk of arguing for something that is really already proven. this is a political decision. the justice department, the administration, and a political decision by voters. some have said, and i think this really is the summary moment, a way to summarize the moment right now. 50% of the republicans are devoted and will run off the cliff for trump . they are in. 20% want to push him off the cliff. i think that number is growing, jonathan, as you have suggested.

30% of the republicans want to win. republicans just like democrats want to win and i think the status of trump politically and of biden politically is much more wobbly than people think. they've got to find new candidates. the polling shows this. people want to look to the future, not to the past. i really feel trump has lost that argument that the election was stolen. >> bob woodward who has written extensively about the trump years, including his most recent peril about the final days of the trump white house. thanks so much.

as promised, let's bring in a member of the select committee investigating the january 6th attack, democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. congress, as again for being with us. i want to ask about the story of the secret service accused of deleting text messages that could be critical to the events surrounding the attack. there was a letter this week to both the house and senate homeland security committees, the dhs inspector general writing after his office requested full electronic records for an evaluation of the attack, the secret service deleted a significant number of text messages from january 5th and january 6th of 2021. nbc news obtained the letter after the intercept was first reported. they deny it was deleted with malicious intent. what more can you tell us about those text messages? why were they deleted and what are you looking to find in them? >> thank you for having me. look, we do not know anything more than what you just

reported at this point. it is obviously an alarming thing to learn there were secret service text messages from january 6th itself and also the day before that were deleted as part of a vice replacement program. we do not know what the facts are. we are going to get to the facts about why that happened and do whatever we can to retrieve the substance of those text. fortunately the chair of our committee is also the chair of the homeland security committee. he is very well-versed in this kind of thing. we will get to the bottom of it. >> clearly those are the contacts giving does my given cassidy hutchinson's testimony about what she reported to have heard from secret service agents. we will look for more on that. let us look ahead to next thursday's hearing, you all sort of gave a preview of what

is the calm, those 187 minutes between donald trumps speech and when he finally made the video calling on supporters to the home. what should we expect to see? what should the american public expect to hear? >> well, any other us president from george washington to john adams to thomas jefferson all the way through to barack obama would have immediately mobilized the machinery of the us government and the military to be at the ready, if not to get involved within the first five or 10 minutes of the crisis. if it were indeed people who they had called into action and order to stop the steal or have a rally against the peaceful transfer of power, is hard to imagine any of them doing that, but certainly they would've called upon their followers immediately to go home and to get out of the capital and stop

attacking police officers. instead, there was 187 minutes and we will describe of profound or election of duty. at various points the president essentially exerting his followers, egging them on further by telling the mike pence did not have the courage to do what he needed to do. praising them, lavishing compliments on them about how great they are and how much he loves them. we will get into all of that and america will be able to see what president trump did during this unprecedented and shocking assaults on the u.s. congress, on the vice president of the united states. all of it flowing from a call by this president to come to

washington for a big protest that would be wild. >> it has really been incredible, the remarkable amount of work this committee has done. by the way, there are ways to retrieve deleted text messages if for some reason the secret service has a policy of deleting texts. it seems wild that anyone in the us secret service would have a policy of deleting texts . it seems weird. there are ways to get them back. congressman, i am curious, do you believe or do you think the committee will be talking with president trump or vice president pence directly? >> i've got no idea about that. i just don't know what is going to happen with respect to any of that. i will tell you what happened during the impeachment trial. i sent a letter to president trump inviting him to come and

testify. it was rejected by his lawyers in less time than it took donald trump to respond to the insurrectionary mob violence. they rejected immediately. of course any lawyer worth his salt is not going to want donald trump to be anywhere near being sworn under oath, the cusp he obviously is a compulsive liar. i think that he was lying at the raid of something 8-10 per day before he left office. >> as we await the final hearing or potential final hearing and what raid is new evidence coming in? how about that change, whether or not there will be more hearings? >> well, i have learned to say in this process with the select committee, never say never. we have had to move hearings around, change the dates and

times because of a new witness is coming forward with startling new evidence. it is our obligation under house resolution 503 to get all of the facts out to the american people and to congress, as well as to try to define the causes of these events, who caused them? why do they cost them? and the final part of it will be to make recommendations about how to fortify american democratic institutions against a cool, and political violence, and efforts to hijack the election process in the future.'s >> member of the select committee investigating the january 6th attack, congressman jamie raskin. thank you very much for coming on the show. we appreciate it. still ahead on morning joe, we have much more on the text messages from the secret service that could be a crucial piece of the investigation into the capital attacks. plus, our conversation with capital police officer harry dunn who protected us

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service deleted a significant number of text messages from january 5th and 6th of 2021. the letter was obtained after its contents were first reported by the intercept. meanwhile, the secret service is denying the messages were deleted with malicious intent. >> oh really? yeah, they also denied what everybody inside the white house is saying about donald trump lunging at secret service agents, choking them, and grabbing the wheel. it is interesting, you have the facts, you have the reality and the secret service denying that reality. you even have a dc cop now saying what we heard cassidy hutchinson testify about happening, i was in the motorcade and heard the traffic over the radio. this was happening.

i know the trump politicized the secret service. i am just wondering who is willing to go to jail, lying through their teeth for donald trump? donald trump may and am going to jail, who in the secret service wants to go? >> a spokesman claims some of the data lost during a preplanned device replacement program that began january 2021, for the dhs probe into the insurrection even began. he also notes the secret service has been fully cooperative with dhs investigators. >> hold on, let's just take that down. it is nonsense. >> i wonder who order that, if it happened? >> the inspector general ordered copies of those text messages and said they deleted them after the inspector general ordered them.

secret service wants us to believe the inspector general is lying? somebody is lying. somebody needs to be hauled before congress to testify. >> it seems like a huge stretch at best. >> let's bring in julia ainslie, she covers the department of justice and homeland security. help us out, we have heard many reports of donald trump politicized the secret service agency, moving friends and allies into high positions. over the past couple of weeks we have had testimony from trump insiders inside of the white house, talking about this incident and donald trump choking a secret service agent, grabbing the steering wheel. now we have heard other people say that happened and now we are hearing dc cop saying that happened. the secret service off the record denies this. now we have the inspector general saying give me all of your text messages, give me all

of your electronic communications so that we can figure out what happened on january 6th. the ig says they deleted the text after the request. what can you tell us? >> so the time run -- timeline a spot on, anyone who has ever had records requested or subpoenaed knows it is when you have that request that you need to immediately preserve those records. the city services saying they were doing this program to start before where they were replacing devices. that was ongoing and that is why these messages or at least some of them, we do not know if all of them were deleted and cannot be handed over. the ig also said that it was lawyers at the secret service that came him between that request at a time where they ever even responded, further delaying and probably diminishing some of the information. they said that was a delay, and that they clearly are slapping the secret service's hands. you mentioned of course the secret service's role in that

very salacious conflict that we heard about from cassidy hutchinson, there is also another piece of the secret service which was critical. that was the responsibility to protect the vice president. we know that it was mike pence himself who defy secret service and said i am not getting in the car. if he would've actually complied he would've been taken away from the capital and would not have been in the position to certify those results. in other words, getting victory to the insurrection is. that is another reason why dhs- ig would've wanted these text messages to figure out why secret service accident in that way. what kind of threat they perceive, and how it led to a decision the thought they needed to get the vice president away from the capital. all of this is critical in the day-to-day rigor of the dhs ig being able to oversee this agency, an agency that has had

a lot of problems, especially since it was absorbed by the department of homeland security. also, critical in understanding the events of january 6th. we have to point out they also wanted the records on the day before which bank a lot of questions about what was the secret service planning for and expecting before this insurrection took place. >> it is absolutely remarkable. what can you tell us? we have heard a little bit about it after cassidy hutchinson's testimony there was talk about how donald trump had politicized the secret service. what can you tell us about that side of the story? >> it is definitely one that we know has been drilled down. it is something that as soon as investigators at this house select committee found out from cassidy hutchinson about that back-and-forth that everyone tried to get more of a direct account. as you remember, cassidy hutchinson was really relate what she heard. we know there were people there.

of course donald trump had a policy of trying to put his own people in a place of security. we know the secret service director just announced his retirement after 25 years, someone who served there many administrations and with the himself as a political. there were many persons working for the secret service appointed by donald trump himself. that is key in determining exactly what happened and who might be complying or not complying when the select committee or now the inspector general is trying to get answers in terms of donald trumps actions that day. also, the law enforcement response, such a key point whether you are talking about capital police or other parts of dhs. customs and border protection's actually uniformed, armed and ready to go but kept waiting in the basement of the reagan building during the insurrection. a lot of questions about law enforcement response. secret service being pivotal in

the fact that they were responsible for the presidents security and one on his every movement and request and also protecting the vice president as a mob was chanting that they wanted to hang him. i can't even believe that i'm saying that. >> thank you very much. coming up, the democrats pushed to send senator ron johnson packing. we will go live to milwaukee for a preview of a primary that is right national attention. morning joe is coming right back. tention. morning joe is coming right morning joe is coming right back. i started noticing a little pudge. so i took action! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions. discuss coolscular... coolsculpting takes you further. visit coolsculpting.com

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jean robinson, your latest column for the washington post entitled trump and trump alone turned january 6th into a debacle for our democracy. demo.

that is the powerful message that emerged from tuesday's televised hearing of the january 6th select committee. the hearings make clear just how dangerous it would be for the former president to be elected again. there are still dots left for the committee to collect. the emerging picture is one man who made the emerging events happen. his name is donald trump. this matters, not just for the history books. trump cannot be led anywhere near power again, now that we know exactly how he will use it. here we have this week the former president meeting with donors, making news of himself by saying i'll make my decision , kind of talking about his decision to run. look, i think the man seems to get away with everything. one way he could get away with

everything is to win reelection. >> right. i think that he believes running for reelection or pretending to run or announcing he's going to run, whether or not he goes through with it protects him from criminal prosecution. i think that is part of the reason why you hear this flurry of trump is going to announce, trump is going to run. i think the january 6th is a disaster for him. the last hearing pointed directly to donald trump as the author of january 6th . as liz cheney said, he is a 70 six- year-old man and not an impressionable child. he knew what he was doing, he did it. he got caught. i think part of this is that he wants to be able to say it is

all political. the committee is all political, the justice department that is investigating, that is all political. the fulton county district attorney in georgia who is doing a very serious investigation of donald trumps attempt to overturn the will of the voters in georgia, that is all political. i think he believes, and this is just my opinion, but i think it is right. i think he believes if he is an active candidate for president that gives them better standing to say this is all political persecution that he can, you know, that this is outrageous. that i am just being persecuted for political reasons. i think that is what we will here over the next month and maybe over the next year, as

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let's turn out to the us capital police officer, one of many who are aerobically defend the capital that day. harry dunn, it's great to have you back with us this morning. thank you. >> good morning. >> we had your colleague on yesterday, he went into some detail about what he went through that day, the injuries that place him in the 18 months since, the word he got from his doctor that he could not continue his career because of those injuries.

you have been sitting alongside him in those hearing rooms for the last several weeks. i wonder what it has been like, you know a lot about what has happened that day, but perhaps did not know what was going on on the scenes. the president and the others were not defending you or giving you what you needed. in fact, were clearing a path for the people who came in the hospital and attacked you. >> good morning, thank you for having me. it has been eye-opening. i've always had my opinions about what happened that day. i've had my opinions about the president, but i've always done my job in a manner that it didn't matter who was in office that i do my job and uphold my oath faithfully. that's all i care about, the fax. laying the facts clear out on the table for everybody to see, even the people who are

supportive of the president. there is nothing that you can deny or if you want to refute what is being said or being done , come under oath until the side of the story. a lot of people are straying from that. i guess they are silently agreeing with the fact that are being laid out. >> you know, the sergeant told us yesterday about the cowardice of many republicans, most republicans and the way they have treated him since the attack. listen to what was told to us yesterday. >> in the year and a half since i was injured, they know my injuries. only adam kinzinger and this cheney approaching from the other side. i don't hold any grudges. i'm still going to be respectful to them. they don't want to talk to me. i still want to do my job like i did on january 6th . in order for me to do my job i don't

need to express my opinion. if they want any more confirmation they can take a look at my injuries. proof that i can do my job and protect them without any political opinion. >> are you saying that only adam kinzinger and liz cheney among republicans have spoken to you, have checked in on you to see how you are doing, and maybe even apologize for what happened that day? >> that is correct, sir. >> officer dunn, what has been your opinion? have you heard from other republicans checking on you, seeing how you are doing, perhaps even apologizing for what happened that day? >> one thing i want to say about the sergeant, he is a

great american-individual. he emigrated here and had to work to be an american, whereas some people just take it for granted. the oath that he took means a lot more to him than it does to the average individual. he is very passionate. he is a hero, and he's a very fine patriot of this country. h fine patriot of this country. you have to put yourself and understand the type of person that you are and everybody isn't built like you. but as far as the other individuals that haveke reached out to me, people recognize me. and i leave politics out of doing my job. i say hello to them and i do my job and keep them -- protect the capitol in a safe and open environment. so i keep politics out of it.vi i'm not looking for any acknowledgment for anything like that. i'm looking for the justice department to get to the bottom of what happened. >> have republicans, any republicans reached out to you though, and said that they're sorry? this seems like politics 101. >> it doesn't seem like

politics. are you okay. >>em when i was there, if something like this happened i would be the first to reach out and how are you doing, what do you need. au mean this isn't hard. have republicans called you to their office or asked to sit and talk to you about what happened that day? the horrible things that happened? >> a lot of them are very cordial. we speak and we talk just in passinglk conversations. i haven't had anybody turn their nose up at me or everybody is cordial and speaks and said hello. but i don't seek getting into conversations about that. they ask hey how is it going, i'm fine and have a good day and keep it cord nall and have a good day and that is what it shouldod be. a professional relationship. >> officer dunn, what do you want people to know about what happened on january 6? because i think it is important to stop and describe it from your eyes. so many people have tried to white wash what happened that day. downplay that whapped that day. it was just a protest that got

out of hand. we know none of that is true thanks to the hearings from the january 6 committee. but just from your perspective that day,ar what was it like to stand there and see the mob of peoplean approaching the capito and understanding they weren't just there for a protest. >> it is a couple of thoughts that run through my head.s one of the things that first pops inof my head that y'all ar seeing me and sergeant gonel, there are so many other men and women of thean capitol police force who fought bravely and heroically that day. andra with a lot of law enforcement have been scrutinized for being sympathizers or whatever. people are entitled to their opinions, but they did their job faithfully regardless of any political affiliation and that is what we need from law enforcement. and as far as seeing thewe crow it was something that i've never seen before. i've been at the capitol, i'll start my 15th year in november and i think it is safe to say i've seen over a thousand protests. and nothing to the point of this

level of violence, this level of rage. these people were possessed. i said this before, like possessed zombies. they were possessed and it wasn't even any rational discussions to be had with these people. there were clips of people saying these people want blood and they showed it and they drew it. so -- >> well i'm so sorry for what you went through and we're so grateful for the service to the country and it is not an over statement to say you helped save the democracy that day. harry dunn, thank you, we appreciate it. >> thank you,harr willie. haveia a good day. our next guest said nato's success depends on you. senator chris coons explains when "morning joe" comes right back. r chris coon nope.

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welcome back to "morning joe." it is a few minutes before 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. 6:00 a.m. out west. as we roll into the fourth hour of "morning joe." we have a lot to get to this hour. including the latest reporting that all but confirms donald trump will run for president again. a new report that accuses the secret service of deleting messages related to the attack on the capitol after they were requested by oversight officials. a familiar face up ends president biden's domestic agenda again and president biden wraps up his visit to israel, headed now to saudi arabia for a controversial face-to-face meeting with the saudi crown prince. willie. >> in fact, president biden is aboard air force one right now. he becomes the first president to travel directly from israel to saudi arabia. that is the air force one taxiing now. he'll meet with the saudi king

and the powerful saudi prince mohammed bin salman, whom u.s. intelligence accused of orchestrating the murder of american journalist jamal khashoggi. president biden is expected to specifically raise khashoggi's murder with leaders in private. they debated whether he should offer warm words about u.s.-saudi relations standing in front of cameras and whether the president should shake his hand and smile in photos with the crown prince and in the end officials advised biden were told not to smile. but conceding he probably will do whatever he wanted, mika. >> as usual. joining us now, chris coons of delaware. thank you for being on this morning. biden's trip is controversial. and yet there are potentially strategic reasons why he needed to make it. what are they in your mind?

>> well, mika, as you just referenced in the opening, president biden is about to travel from our close and important ally israel directly to saudi arabia. one of the things that president biden's trip is doing is to continue to make progress on bridging the continuing divide between israel and many of its arab regional neighbors an partners. president biden is there in no small part to pull together or partners in the region in the face of a number of crises. iran's ongoing threat and the attacks by iran proxies directly on countries like the emirates and the kingdom of saudi arabia. the ongoing conflict in russia and ukraine, russia's brutal and aggressive invasion of ukraine and how that has impacted energy prices for our key nato allies and our european partners an the critical issue of human rights.