for president biden, it was a deputy governor, not the crown prince. they met at the palace. they fist bumped and did not smile. perhaps not surprising since biden during the campaign promised to make his country a pariah after mbs was said to be the behind of murder of jamaal kashoggi. the two leaders sat face to face and asked the question that americans would like an answer to. >> jamal kashoggi, will you apologize to his family, sir? >> president biden! president biden! >> thank you. thank you. >> as you can see, mbs did not answer. we learned that this sitdown was the end result of fierce

lobbying. nbc news reports it's took 18 months of tense negotiations to get the two men in the same room. the saudis say they required biden to meet with mbs, in their minds an effort to make biden show amends for harshly criticizing him over kashoggi's murder. saudi arabia is the third stop on the middle east tour for president biden. he flew to the country from israel, not just on a one off but what can be considered the official opening of airspace between the two countries. commercial air flights are now allowed for the first time in decades. in israel president biden met with the prime minister and the palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas. he assured them his administration will work to reinitiate the peace process,

including help for refugees, expanded health care. this was a sea change from the trump administration that ended aid for palestinians and further complicated diplomatic relations with a staunchly pro-israel agenda, moving the embassy to jerusalem, for instance. in his meeting with israeli leaders, biden pledged to act if iranians continue to develop their nuclear program and reiterated his hope that iran might be persuaded to rejoin the deal and reiterated that words will not stop them. joining me is carol lee and msnbc contributor david rode and former u.s. ambassador to saudi arabia, james smith.

carol, what have we seen so far there today? >> so far, katie, we've seen that greeting that you pointed out between the crown prince and the president, the fist bump, a lot of behind-the-scenes hand wringing, how the president should greet the crown prince, whether he should shake his hand. we've seen the fist bump now. they sat down with both of their delegations to discuss a host of issue. front and center is human rights. the family is very upset with the president for having this meeting and members of congress and democrats who are upset with the president. he asked the crown prince if he would apologize and the president apologized and he was asked if saudi arabia was still considered a pariah and the

president did not answer. the president has tried to frame this trip that it's in the u.s. interests and to at that effect it's about iran, about integrating israel into relationships with its arab neighbors. we saw that airspace steps and we expect to see other steps or least hope to and this is designed to show the american people this is not just about a bilat rahal bilateral relationship with assad, it's about more. and then there's oil. the president wants to come away with something from this meeting, if not saudi arabia, other states that pump oil. he would like to bring down the gas prices. the white house has set very low expectations for what effect that might have saying in advance of this that even if the

president got something on the oil production front that it would take potentially months for americans to actually feel that. >> we'll get to oil in a second. james, i want to ask you about the greeting on the tarmac. king salman greeted trump. donald trump made that his very first stop as president. today was the deputy governor for joe biden, for president biden. what can we deduce from that? >> i don't think i would read too much into it. if anything, both president biden and bin salman would want to avoid any issue at the tarmac that would raise issues with the media. my guess is that the agreement was that they would meet in private before the meetings got under way. it's not unusual for a governor

or the deputy governor of riyadh to meet dignitaries when they come in. we don't know the status of king salman's health either so it doesn't surprise me at all that he was not there. >> let's talk about oil, david. the negotiations to get this meetings, these tense negotiations as they've been described as president biden vowed on the campaign trail to make saudi arabia a pariah. how much with the gas prices being so high and the war in russia driving things up, how much of that was a factor driving joe biden to meet the man who they believe is the man behind the murder of a washington journalist? >> i don't think he would be meeting with the saudi leaders if it wasn't for the war in ukraine and the tremendous

pressure he faces to bring down gas prices in the united states. it's easy for me as a journalist, not a diplomat, i'm so thank full for peter alexander for bringing us his name. jamaal was a "washington post" journalist and salman was responsible for his murder. i thought it shocking and shameful that the crown prince just grinned. this is a moment on the world stage where he can at least pretend to repent for this outrageous murder. the cia found he was responsible for this murder. it easy for me as a journalist to sit here and call this out, but it's a shameful response from the saudi crown prince and i'm shocked he reacted this way. >> you're a diplomat here. i want to ask a delicate question. how do we lead on an issue of

human rights? this man was murdered, dismembered. the united states believes that mbs was behind it. how do we lead on human rights when we're still beholden to this country for oil? how can you do both at the same time? >> well, in my time there we had identified nine different national interests at play. and the same i think is true today. so human rights is one of the key national interests, but then you have to deal with the rest of them as well. and that includes the free throw of energy from the region, containing iran, trying to keep the region from going nuclear because if iran does develop a weapon, they're not likely to be the only country in the region that does. we want to advance the security of our key ally in the region and that is israel. and there's this window of opportunity right now to take advantage of abraham accords,

maybe solve the one shortfall in the accords and that is a settlement with the palestinians and move forward. but human right, women's right, religious freedom, they're all part of the equation as well and you've got to juggle priorities on all of them. i knew jamaal well. i met with him every time i'd go over to jetta. he was a lovely man. it broke my heart that he was murdered. the issue is do i let my frustration with that undermine all the other u.s. interests in the region? the answer is no. we will creed that to the russian and chinese who are looking to take over that area as it is. >> let talk about the opening of

the airspace between israel and saudi arabia. there was that one-time flight for president trump. it would be a big deal to have biden take that flight. now the airspace is reopen and you can do commercial flights. what does that signal for the relationship and the status quo in the middle east, especially with israel for so many years being kind of for so many years enemy number one for many of those states? >> it's a step forward and a positive thing that's happened. i agree with ambassador smith, that there are long-term strategic interests in the region. this trip makes sense for president biden. i think this meeting makes sense with president biden, meeting with mbs. what's strange about the situation, he will likely lead saudi arabia for 40 years.

and president biden may raise kashoggi and i'm concerned on his reaction today and the smirk. he's got to realize he's leading an incredibly important country, i want to be respectful of saudi arabia and the people of saudi arabia and the dissidents that he has dealed also. the issue is not joe biden, it mbs and his judgment. he's got to change the way he's behaving on the world stage for the sake of saudi arabia i think. >> david rhodes, thank you for joining us and carol lee, thank you for all your reporting. appreciate it. still ahead, gone for good. how the secret service is explaining erased text messages sent and received by agents around the time of the january 6th attack. where did they go and why? >> and donald trump says he's made up his mind on 2024.

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critical information related to the january 6 riot could be gone forever. the department of home homeland security's internal watch dog said the secret service erased records. it was after the records requested. all were briefed by the inspector general today about the issue. the secret service says any

insinuation that this was on purpose is false. in a statement a spokesperson say a preplanned three-month system migration and that during that some data was lost and it disputes any claims that the agency has not cooperated with the watch dog's probe. joining me is ali vitali. ali, give me the nuts and bolts about this. >> i just finished talking with chairman bennie thompson about that. they are trying to figure out if those text messages can be resurrected. there's a question about whether or not they're given for now or forever. that's the rabbit hole they are trying to work from. they were briefed by the inspector general this morning about those texts. i asked if the view was that the

secret service have been cooperative on this, chairman thompson told me look no further than the letter that the inspector general sent to the homeland security committee to see that their view is no, the secret service hasn't been cooperative in finding these text messages. that's just one of the key considerations for the january 6th committee right now because the other thing they're talking about is the potential for subpoenaing former vice president mike pence or even the former president himself when i was talking with chairman thompson just now, he referenced one of the conversations they are actively having right now is whether or not they need the former vp or even the president to come and talk to them. what chairman thompson said they would really lend to the investigation but it's not clear they're willing to go that step to get them there. >> i want to focus on these texts for a second longer, ali. what might the committee find out and dhs find out from these text messages?

we heard testimony about what happened that day within the secret service. >> of course. that's what the committee wants to drill down on, what was happening within the secret service on january 5th and 6th. that could shed light on what the plans were for the form president. we saw in the hearing some veiled reference to the fact that it was a secret but the former president was going to go after the ellipse speech to the capitol. you and i both know from covering the white house, presidential movements don't happen out of thin air. if that was discussed, it could be in the secret service text messages as they started to plan what that would look like. we were also told me could not go to the capitol. the committee established that trump was being told from his advisers, legal advisers and cam pan advisers not to go to the

hill that day. it would be interesting if the secret service were telling him that the day of and before. >> donald trump is in this car we're seeing right now, it's an suv, it's not the limo, the thing typically known as the beast. he would have more access to the drivers, it seems, if he were in that vehicle as opposed to the long limo we're used to on say inaugural day. is it convenient to have a system wide migration that just happens to erase the data on what is perhaps one of most consequential days in our history, a systemwide migration that erases january 5th and january 6th. i'm wondering would somebody not expect that maybe those records, maybe that information might want to be saved? >> yeah, i don't think we know enough for now if there was

anything nefarious here that happened or not. we do know that the secret service in the past has had a history under both presidents of obfuscating certain records when they did not view them as convenient or not wanting certain things to come out. but i think here my colleagues reported last night that they claim that this was done and it was not just part of a january 16th -- it was normal maintenance. but i think what's going to happen is you're going to see a lot of folks now be asked to testify to that under oath, be asked to give depositions on what they knew about these programs digitally. you'll see more of an investigation whether it's true or not. i don't want to jump to any conclusions but i think there will be a lot of questions the folks have to answer. >> i'm not jumping to a conclusion but i am raising an eyebrow and asking a skeptical

question. ali talked about whether the committee wants to get mike pence in to speak with him, will they subpoena the former vice president and what will they do about donald trump? what can you tell us? >> mike pence's team has been pretty consistent they're not interested in him coming to the hearing live and they're not planning for him to go. it's possible the committee to go to a court fight on former vice president mike pence. the same if they tried to bring former president trump in. i think what the committee has done skillfully heretofore in the hearings, at least according to people i've talked to is bring witnesses that are essentially friendly, that they're going to know what the witnesses are going to say. i'm not sure about the benefit to them for bringing former president trump in for several hours. it would be a risky proposition. if you talk to folks on the committee, it would be a risky

proposition. i'm not sure based on his track record they would think they were getting the truth from president trump anyway, that they knew the easier way to get the truth and they need the better way to get the truth, talk to people around him to see records and emails and i don't think they believe he would be the most forthcoming anyway. i saw representative kinsinger said that last night. i've not heard that from many others. there hasn't been a wide push. you have three months or so before the mid-term elections where the committee will have to file their report and have some other hearings. i guess i would be skeptical momentum to brung in former vice president pence or former president trump. >> time is not on their side unless democrats manage to keep control of the house. ali, the big news today senator

joe manchin dashed the hopes and dreams of democrats or anybody scared about climate change in this country saying, no, he won't sign on for any climate change bill or for any tax cuts for the rich or corporations. what's going on there in. >> the last bill of build back better has gotten progressively smaller and progressives i talked to are now furious this morning because in the dormant days where manchin and schumer were just connected on build back better themselves, which is since the winter when this fell apart, there was some hope they could come to a deal on something that still included not just reducing the price of pharmaceutical drugs but also things like climate change and manchin today coming out and dashing those hopes. it leaves democrats feeling like they went through an entire year of trying to leverage the fact that they had control of both

chambers and they're not ending up with most priorities reflected in this bill. >> and senator manchin who became a millionaire blew off a meeting to fight climate change. >> and it's the case that's become a flash point over eye abortion. and the house just passed two bills to protect abortion rights after the overturning of roe v. wade. congresswoman ayanna pressley joins me to talk about what happens next. congresswoman ayanna pressley joins me to talk about what

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republicans are grappling with how to respond after a story several gop lawmakers cast doubt on about a 10-year-old ohio girl who became pregnant after being raped. it turned out to be true. in interviews with nbc news, a few republican lawmakers expressed shock that a 10-year-old could even become

pregnant. i don't know why that's shocking. rob gib who republicans ohio said i'm amazed a 10-year-old got pregnant. another said i don't think i was able to get pregnant when i was 10 years old. if you are menstruating youcan. a world health report found pregnancy complications were the leading cause of death from 15 to 19-year-old girls globally. that says nothing of 10-year-old girls. gabe gutierrez has more on the case out of ohio. >> reporter: a judge ordered 27-year-old rape suspect held on $2 million bail. >> it's my understanding she just turned 10 years old. >> reporter: he confessed to raping and impregnating a 10-year-old girl.

she then traveled from ohio to indiana to end the pregnancy. the case has become the latest flash point in the national abortion debate following the supreme court's reversal of roe v. wade. it was first reported earlier this month citing a single source in indianapolis. the story went viral. last week president biden brought it up. >> imagine being that little girl? i'm serious, just imagine being that little girl, 10 years old! >> republicans, including ohio's attorney general, cast doubt on the story. >> we have regular contact with prosecutors and local police and sheriffs. not a whisper anywhere. >> reporter: then after the suspect's arrest, he issued a written statement. my heart aches for the pain suffered by this girl. >> "the wall street journal" editorial board also previously

published the story and now correcting the record writing it appears president biden was accurate. still indiana's republican attorney general said he'll investigate the obgyn performing procedure for failing to reporter. that obgyn says doctors must be able to give people the medical care they need when and where they need it. states scramble to clarify their own law. >> it's a hard truth to realize these horrible things are going to happen to children and or people in your state because of the really severe restrictions that are placed. >> reporter: to those who oppose abortion. >> with so many questions about what really happened, it's a real shame that the biden administration rushed to exploit this poor little girl's situation. >> just in the last hour the house passed two bills to protect access to abortion. the house first passed the women's health protection act, which would codify abortion

rights protections into federal law. all republicans and one democrat, henry cuellar of texas, voted no. the house passed the ensuring access to abortion act, which would protect a person's act to travel across state lines for abortion. all democrats and three republicans did vote in support of that. both bills are still unlikely to make it out of the senate where democrats need the support the ten republicans. i'm joined by massachusetts democratic congresswoman ayanna pressley, a lead co-sponsor of one of the bills. thank you very much for being here. what happens now when it goes to the senate and it doesn't make it out of that chamber? >> well, i think the important thing to underscore here today, though, is that abortion carries health care and for the second time the house of representatives, the people's house, has yet again passed necessary legislation, which i'm proud to co-lead and as the chair of the abortion rights and

access task force that we are enshrining the right for abortion care for everyone who calls america home. so the people's house, we have done our job for the second time. and now we are calling on the senate to do theirs. daily folks are facing insurmountable barriers to abortion care. i'm not surprised very often that republicans think that injustice, cruelty is fiction. if you have an ek ecolocuo -- e topic pregnancy, the on option is abortion. if you have been diagnosed with

cancer and are pregnant, the only way to save your live is abortion. abortion care is health care. and in the midst of a black maternal morbidity crisis and, again, this is fact, not fiction, where black women are three times more likely to die in birth, to be dealing with forced birth, the prospect of forced birth, it is predicted the black mortality crisis will increase and the maternal mortality crisis writ large will increase. and they have overturned the will of the people, sought to roll back the hand of time and to roll over our bodily autonomy and reproductive freedom. failure is not an option. this is a matter of life and death and the senate must pass

the women's health protection act and enshrine abortion for everyone who calls this country home. >> you were among a number of lawmakers telling joe biden, the president, that that was what he should do with his executive powers. the white house has said it really wouldn't do much. why do you argue that it would? >> well, to be clear, this was an effort spearheaded by myself in partnership with women from the congressional black caucus, again giving the black maternal morbidity crisis even before the supreme court overturned roe, we were calling for a public health declaration. this is a public health crisis and i do believe this home requires that so that we can have a whole of government approach, do everything possible to save lives and that means having the flexibility and the resources to meet those who are the most vulnerable. and those are black, brown, disabled, low-income, indigenous

people are most marginalized. i'm encouraged by the executive orders to come out of white house. i thank the administration for heeding the calls of myself and others in protecting medication abortion and in ensuring that patients and providers would not be criminalized. that is an excellent start. but that is not where we should stop. >> congresswoman ayanna pressley, thank you very much for joining us today. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, donald trump 2024. the former president signals he's ready to do it again but is it party on board? some polling suggests now. and then the latest in ukraine, a dance studio and wedding center bombed by russian forces. g center bombed by russian forces.

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donald trump all but announced his candidacy for 2024. he told new york magazine do i go before or after? he's talking about the mid terms. some candidates he's endorsed have won, others have lost. yet the party's most influential members do remain loyal to the former president. at least publicly. joining me now is staff writer at the "atlantic" and msnbc contributor mark leiobovich entitled "thank you for your servitude." you're so biting and you cut through the b.s. and you do so in such a fun way. i enjoyed every second of this book. you started out by saying this is going to be the view not from

the white house, not from the capitol, it's going to be the view from the trump hotel. what did you learn and why did you frame the book around it? >> i wanted people to be on the periphery. when you cover washington, the first thing people ask is what's it been like? it must be like a circus. you must be having the time of your life. i haven't been having the time of my life. what i like to do is create a scene and absorb the scene. the trump hotel is not the type of place i would really hang out in. but it was really the center of washington, social center of washington. you'd have rudy, kevin mccarthy, lindsey graham, lobbyists, foreign government lobbyists and occasionally you'd have the big cinderella come into the castle. donald trump went out to eat at the steak house at the trump

hotel about 30 times. the obamas used to go to trendy bistros, they'd sneak out. trumped needed the big applauded entrance. it was a scene. people were standing on chairs, applauding. it would be like a tin pot dictator was coming in. he always paused, there was like a paparazzi thing. what'd you eat, mr. president? he said "steak." he was the most benal thing ever but he thought he was marilyn monroe in the 1950s. i wanted to be there and absorb the people around him and absorb the ecosystem around him while the country was going through this deranged and troubled period. >> a couple people come out looking decent. lindsey graham perhaps looks the worst. what did you learn in writing this book about what's happening right now? >> what surprised me about this

is the sort of root of this book, donald trump was made possible by the leaders of the party who continued to let him get away with stuff. i mean, the fact that donald trump can still, like, kissed up to by so many republicans who knew better, mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, lindsey graham. lindsey's over the top about it so maybe he got more attention. the fact that we're still talking about him as a viable candidate after january 6th, after losing badly and after his presidency is pretty remarkable. >> in reading this it makes you feel that there's almost nobody in washington -- the lawmakers that you describe at least are not there to do anything other than to be there, to be in power and everything they do is in service of getting re-elected. it's not in service of the people who elected them in the

first place and the things that they might need. >> yeah. and this is an age old washington story of self-per self-perpetuation. kevin mccarthy when i wrote my last washington back, kevin mccarthy and lindsey graham were players in that. because donald trump was there, they all knew better but they threw in with him because mccarthy wanted to be speaker of the house and lindsey graham loves the idea of golfing with the president. it like being at the dice table, as he says. >> i want to read a part of the book. you wrote about every event of the candidacy and then the big events of presidency. you're writing about the first impeachment and how romney has decided to vote to convict, having a conversation with him beforehand. you write "romney was the first

senator to depart the chamber. barely any of his republican colleagues even looked at him as he walked out. it was as if they were afraid that romney might meet their eyes and some acknowledgement might be called for, something they could not face." what could they not face? >> that's a great question. >> this is the ukraine call, by the way. the shakedown call. >> this was impeachment one, right. that morning i sat in romney's office and he said i will tell you ahead of time what my vote is going to be. >> you got a three-minute scoop. he said wait till 2:00 when my speech starts. i put that on, i had all the scoop and it was flying around the internet. so that went out. it was a very agonizing moment when he's telling me i am voting to convict on this charge. he was almost in tears.

he was like this is really hard, there will be a profound toll on me, there will be abuse, i know it. he casts the vote, gives a very powerful speech. mike braun, senator from indiana, walks out and sees colleagues in the hallway, in the cloak room. there was a lot of quiet atta boy. >> maybe they knew that they were making the wrong choice? >> the working title of this is "they all new better" because they did this anyway. >> donald trump might run again in 2024. it seems like he's going to. you write about his losing. you say the reason he lost is the pandemic and the obligatory key tab away was the 45th president fell into a tailspin in which he became his absolute worst self at the worst possible

time every single day. it did get bad during the pandemic and you wrote that it seemed like two years after two days that people would grow tired of it. what do you think of 2024? >> mccarthy said that. it's just too much stimulation after a while. people just got exhausted and i think that got joe biden a lot of votes. i think it's still there. i think the fact that he's sort of expecting, he thinks he'll get a big announcement, it will get a lot of news, a lot of attention. my guess is it will be a bit of an anti-climax because we all know the answer to this. i think the exhaustion factor is amazing. the substance of what he's come back from and still stands accused of is itself remarkable. you can step back and go back and do some of the scorn and ridicule that maybe you lost in the moment but really you just sort of get the sum of evidence that is the story but it's also

a fun beach read. >> i got to tell you, going through it and reading back into all those days that we all lived together in the moment, we might not necessarily want to go relive them but it's important to go back and just remember what people said in the time and the hypocrisy that later was revealed. it's a great it's a great book. it is a fun read. your writing is stupendous. i want to be you when i grow up. thank you for your servitude. there it is. here it is. thanks. >> great. coming up next, ukraine. russian forces launched deadly air strikes on civilians nowhere near the front lines. some victims were children. now now some victims were children. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild don't wait, get tested quickly.

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russian attacks in ukraine targeted civilians again. 23 people are dead including three children after russian missiles hit a shopping center, dance studio and wedding venue in central ukraine on thursday. surveillance footage shows the moment the missiles hit vinnytsia. you see people jump ming off their bikes and running away. one is a 4-year-old girl. hours before she died her mother posted instagram story of the girl pushing her stroller. here is the same empty stroller covered in blood after the attack. joining me is ali russo. this is so difficult toll see what is happening there and it's still happening after so many of these shows, my show

included have turned to other news. talk to me about what is going on? >> hey, katy. it's heart withdrawn tig and difficult to watch. the russian military and federation show little remorse. they say they were hitting ukrainian officers and meeting to discuss weapons transfers. they hit a concert hall. the only thing military about it was the name that dates back to the soviet era. they killed 23 civilians, three of them children in a town far from the front lines. and as you mentioned, that little girl called lisa, her mother posted the video. she was on her way to a speech therapy class. this is a little girl with down syndrome. she was the treasure and joy of her mother. her mother's leg was blown off in the attack. she is in the hospital fighting for her life. it's not clear whether she will

make it or if she has been told that she lost her daughter. it is incredible believe silence by the russians saying that they used precise ammunition. this couldn't be further from that. we talked to a first responder on the scene. she rushed into the building. she gave a harrowing account of what she saw and the people and the way people were -- they were in really bad shape. take a listen to what she had to say. >> the hardest moment when we came in, packages of medicine. but nobody needed help any more. >> after that interview i carried on speaking to her and she broke down in tears. she was having real problems coming to terms with this

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