good to be with you. i'm katy tur in for hailey jackson. frustration surrounding the secret service. the dhs watchdog is accusing the agency of wiping text messages from january 5 and 6th last year. it was discovered a after an internal watchdog questioned records of electronic communications tied to the insurrection. a spokesperson said the agency did not intentionally delete information after it was requested by the inspector general's office. it is explaining the data loss with a three planned agency wide system migration and phone reset and disputed claims that the agency has not cooperated with the watchdog. all nine members of the january

6th committee were breached by the dhs inspector general about the issue. those missing messages could be crush that will sheafed that could potentially back up testimony from cassidy hutchison. she claimed that the former president got physical with his protective detail after the speech on the ellipse when they would not let him go to the capitol. the back and forth over why the information vanished comes amid another day of testimony for the january 6th panel. former overstock ceo patrick byrne was in d.c. for his closed door meeting with the committee. he was in the room during the quote unhinged oval office meeting of 2020 where several outside advisers urged him to consider his plan to seize voting machines. his interactions with reporters on the hill indicate anything

today, he wants to talk. >> i'm hoping that i can diffuse this for the entire country. i know everything that happened. i was inside. i have been trying to get here for nine months. i can tell them everything. i was in the two most important meetings and i really think i can diffuse this for the whole country. >> joining me now is capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and leann caldwell and co- author of early 202 and kyle cheney, senior legal affairs reporter at politico. so, benny thompson, you spoke to him, the chairman of the committee about the deleted text messages. they believe maybe they can get a hold of them? >> maybe. what raskin said to me, these text messages may be missing or they may be missing for now. that's what the committee is trying to get to the bottom of. they were briefed by the inspector general this morning. it gives them a sense of what

the inspector general encountered, what the vibe of the secret service was in co-op per rating or not cooperating if you listen to chairman thompson and trying to get the information. of course, this is stuff that they really want to get their hands on for the reasons that you mention. key pieces of cassidy hutchison's testimony where she talks about if the former president lunged at steering wheel to turn to the capitol. whether he lunged at the secret service agent trying to get them to go to the capitol. that could be reflected in texts and that's why the glaring gap in the text messages is concerning to the committee and why they want to get to the bottom of it so badly. >> i will show you what the secret service says. it has turned over to the committee 786,176 unredacted e- mails. 7,678 team chat messages by secret service employees. the chief of comes for secret

service says that this is evidence of them cooperating. they say this is a phone migration and a phone reset, a system migration. leigh ann caldwell, what do we know about the secret service pushing back on this? >> well, that is a lot of e- mails and text messages that they did send over. what matters is the text messages and e-mails that the committee needs for its investigation. it's quality over quantity. what this shows is how big of a role the secret service is playing in the committee's investigation in the sense that how critical the secret service is in the committee piecing together the events of january 6th and the days leading up to it. and, you know, also it shows that this is a very real ongoing investigation.

we have already had seven public hearings by the committee. another one in prime time is expected next week. but the fact that they are still finding all of this information and still searching for additional information is showing that this is an ongoing investigation and they are not yet done with their work, katy. >> we just got an announcement from the committee, kyle, that there will be a prime time hearing next week at 8:00, i believe on thursday. there is some -- still talk, adam kinzinger said this, they might subpoena mike pence. they still might want to talk to him. i was talking to josh a moment ago who said that so far adam kinzinger is the only one that he has spoken to that is considering that. what can you tell me about the conversations you have heard about whether getting the vice president in is still an option? >> i think the committee is leaning against subpoenaing or calling mike pence in any

formal way. they would love to hear from him. his testimony could be valuable to him but the thing is, the fight that it would take to adjudicate that to get him before members may not be worth it with the amount of time that they have and so many of pence's top aides cooperated extensively with the committee, they feel like they know what is going on in pence world and whether they need to bring in pence may not be worth the effort. >> what about the overstock.com ceo being there today. any idea what he is telling the panel? >> he is eager to get in and tell his version of events. he was part of that crazy meeting that they had on december 18, 2020 in the white house. he was there when they were discussing seizing voting machines or appointing sydney powell special counsel to pursue voter fraud. he can shed light on these high

level interactions with president trump. we will see how much detail he is willing to get into and closing the loop on missing figure from that meeting. >> lee ann another committee hearing next week. is that going to be the last of it or more hearings later on in the summer or potentially early fall? do they have enough time to do the hearings and write a report before the midterms? >> they have a lot do and they keep finding more information. the committee members say it's a real possibility that there will be more hearings. that the hearing on thursday is not the book end of this but just perhaps the end of another chapter of their hearings. we have to see how the investigation progresses. they have not shut the door to more hearings. a very expansive report. they are trying to do this all before the midterm elections. so, we will see how much they can get done. we have seen how they changed

their plans mid course multiple times. all of this depends on the investigation and who they get to cooperate. >> ali you have been focused on this or the testimony of cassidy hutchison and whether or not it's corroborated. you asked jamie raskin when it came to pat cipollone and his testimony. does the committee feel like they need to get somebody on the record saying that what she said was true? they heard the same things she heard? >> i think they would love to get somebody else that they can put there that bolsters that story. at the same time, after that initial wave of people in trump world trying to cast doubt on her story, the committee stuck by her continuing to tell us that they felt she was a credible witness and was simply telling the american public and the committee what she had been told. it's an important way she told the story, right? when we think about this, prosecutors said in the

aftermath of cassidy hutchison's testimony, that might not be admissible in court. this is not court. they have someone under oath telling the public what she was told. whether or not -- they want more people that can say that. we see the way they have attacked trying to be in these rooms where critical meetings were happening. cipollone, for example, was someone that corroborated pieces of what she said. when it comes to cipollone, when i asked the committee members the role that he plays here, they are quick to point out that they don't think what he says is in conflict with anything that the american public has heard from the witnesses so far. that is important. what it says without saying it is that they still believe that cassidy hutchison's testimony is credible under oath and anyone casting doubt on her isn't casting doubt in the same way, in the public and under oath. >> thank you very much. ali vitali, don't go anywhere.

there is a group that remembers january 6th, the lawmakers trapped in the house gallery as the rioters attacked the capitol. the gallery group that they call themselves sits at the back of the january 6th committee hearings everyone. ali, you spoke with them, you are still with us, what did they tell you about why they are there every day and why they decided to relive that very scary moment? >> katy when i go into every january 6th hearing these are the people i look to first. they are often at the back of the room. they come to as many of these as they can. they are not lawmakers that took an oath to defend democracy but they themselves on a personal level are at the center of what happened on january 6th. >> the haunting, pounding that just made my own heart race. >> reporter: at the back of every january 6th hearing, a group of people who uniquely know the sounds and scenes of the insurrection because they

barely survived it. >> my thought, we could have all died that day. >> reporter: the dozens of lawmakers trapped in the gallery of the house chamber refer to themselves as the gallery group. their colleagues on the house floor escaping when rioters breached the building. these lawmakers and reporters among them were forced to shelter and wait as long as an extra 20 minutes. >> i am compelled. >> reporter: silent witnesses. >> some of us are witnesses. but the victim was the country, our democracy, our republic. being there as a way to seek justice. >> reporter: not that it's easy. >> it's traumatic, triggering. >> reporter: when a colleague isn't within arms reach a year long text is a critical support structure. that day they imagined the worse. >> i thought i would be gunned down. >> veronica had on a beautiful

white jacket. i pictured the possibility of an assault rifle spraying across like we were a peanut gallery. i remember hollering, veronica get down. >> reporter: on thursday, these members will likely be viewers and part of the story. >> what we think will be shown to the american people is that we ducked into the elevator and 30 seconds until these rioters are in the hallway. >> reporter: the committee final hearing with the minute to minute accounting of the 6th. it is likely the last hearing but they certain with the investigation active. for those that experienced the fix, it centers on the violence of that day and the loss. on a personal level, yes. but for the country. >> reporter: and its ability to trust the democratic foundational principles like peaceful transfer of power. >> we are getting something

back which is something that we have been clammering for for the last six years, the truth. >> it made me far more determined to fight for our democracy in a way like never before. >> reporter: when the fight gets too much to bear alone -- >> i don't know what i would do without my colleagues that lived through it. >> we are lucky. >> we are lucky because if you suffer that trauma alone, you don't know how to share it. for us to be able to share it and we are forever bonded. no matter where the group takes us, we will be bonded. >> reporter: ali vitali, nbc news, the capitol. katy, we often talk about the politics and process of what is going on with the january 6th committee. the gallery group is a reminder that this capitol hill community is still raw from what happened on january 6th

from the lawmakers to reporters, our colleagues, the capitol police officers. each of these hearings for them is a way of reliving that trauma but also away that they can hopefully heal and come to this building, a beacon of democracy and for the entire country and the world. >> ali vitali, thank you for bringing us that conversation. still ahead, president biden is about to deliver remarks in the country he once vowed to make an international outcast, saudi arabia. we will bring you those remarks once they begin. plus, the house passed two bills. democrats say it will restore and guarantee abortion access. congress will restore and guarantee abortion access. and guarantee abortion access. congress (fran) for real? (vo) for real, fran. $30 bucks. (fran) nice! (vo) yep. from america's most reliable 5g network. you can even keep your phone. (ned) easy peasy. (vo) and we'll help you cover the .

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. two abortion bills meant to protect access to abortion are headed to the senate. the house passed the bills nearly on party lines earlier

today. up next is the senate where 10 republicans are needed to get pretty much anything done. meaning the bill's chances of making it to the president's desk are slim. i'm joined by washington democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal that cosponsored the bills. they will probably die in the senate, the makeup of the senate right now. do you think that the restrictions on abortion access in so many states across this nation will be enough to motivate democratic voters that don't usually vote in the midterms or independent voters or low propensity voters to come out and cast their vote. will democrats have enough senators in place come november to make abortion access a federal right? >> well, katy, i think that is what we have to do. i do believe that is possible. we have to explain to the american people what the path

forward is. we can't say vote because we have to explain the filibuster in the senate and the fact that we don't have enough votes to overturn the filibuster. therefore we can't debate an abortion bill on the senate floor with just 51 votes. i think that is really important for us to show the vacuum in the senate in terms of its action or inaction that led to the supreme court being able to essentially step into that vacuum and exercise this crazy authority to overturn half a century of constitutional rights for women and pregnant people to make their own decisions about their own body. that will energize people, if we show them if we elect two more pro choice democrats willing to overturn the filibuster, then we can, absolutely can and must codify roe v wade in november. >> let me talk about messaging

and how your messaging on abortion -- the majority of the country believes abortion in some form should be legal but the numbers get dicier when you talk about when it should be legal. most people in the country say the first trimester. viewer people say the second and third trimester. do democrats need to be careful how they describe what sort of access should be out there? does that matter in terms of democratic messaging? >> i think once you get into those details you have lost the discussion frankly. i think the thing that people respond to that is real is these decisions are intensely personal and we need to have the freedom to make those decisions without a supreme court out there making these decisions for us. i also think it's important for us to emphasize that just because i had an abortion -- i have been public about being one of the one in four women

that had an abortion, it does not mean that i think everybody should have an abortion. that is the point of the whole thing that the circumstances are so personal and so specific that it is a private decision and it should remain a private decision. those are the things that motivate people. >> what about protecting doctors that perform abortions? there are a lot of doctors that are nervous about performing an abortion even in a life saving emergency because they don't know how they might be held responsible for it. they don't know how the legislature in their state or attorney general in their state may go after them. >> it's a real problem. even in a state like mine where abortion is legal, the reality is that we are seeing hospitals start to say they don't want to do abortions and that is unacceptable. we have a slate of executive actions that we applaud the president for taking some already but we have a slate of

additional executive actions that will help the -- force people -- allow people to have the defense that they need from the department of justice and also use whatever tools are in the administration's toolbox to force hospitals, for example, force providers to continue to provide these services. provide support and use leverage to ensure that they do continue to provide the services to people. >> i would like you to comment or ask you about joe manchin and what he has done to dash climate policies and new taxes on the very wealthy among us and corporations. this is how "the new york times" puts it. senator jo manchin of west virginia that took more campaign cash from the oil and gas industry from any other senator and became a million i

don't know nair coal business blew up the plan to fight climate change. this is not a knock on one person but the system. can you put in place a series of protections on conflict of interest so that there is not the question of whether joe manchin is voting because of his concerns about inflation, which is what he said, or whether he is voting these things down because he has a personal stake in the coal industry or voting things down because he thinks a tax hike down because he himself is a millionaire. >> i love that question so much, katy. you are right on it in terms of the institutional problem. that's why elizabeth warren and i have a bill on transparency and ethics reform that would prevent much of this behavior from sitting members of congress so we can be sure that when we are making decisions in congress, we are not being affected by campaign contributions and by our own

interest in what our stocks do or what our family's portfolio does. that's why we must institute those and it's the institutional failure of the senate that has a jim crow filibuster in place that is preventing even the discussion of these issues and giving so much power to one or two people. >> congressman pramila jayapal, thank you so much, the question burning within me today. i appreciate your answer. >> a great question. >> thank you. breaking news just out of saudi arabia. president biden will deliver remarks there in just a few minutes. this is a change in the president's official schedule. it's happening just a couple of hours after he met with crown prince mohammed bin salman. they had a fist bump instead of a handshake. not surprising given that the president vowed to make the country a pariah over the murder of jamal khashoggi who

the united states believes mbs was behind. joining me now, kelly o'donnell and hadley getta and david ignatius joins us as well. welcome. kelly, these not official on the official schedule remarks, what is going on? what do we expect the president to say? >> this is a case and it's highly unusual for the president to be in a foreign country and to do what in local time is a late night speech. it's about 10:30 at night here. he had a full day. that doesn't happen spontaneously. it suggests that the speech was written, retold up to the last minute but they wanted to have a window of time after the meeting with mbs to be able to put this visit in perspective for the president to speak on

this issue, maybe to questions. our colleague peter alexander will be in the room and fire off questions. the president is clearly aware that this visit is controversial. there are real questions about what he is saying in sort of the geopolitical statement of the u.s. president going and meeting with mbs when this president believes he was responsible for ordering the killing of jamal khashoggi in 2018, poor human rights record and there are a lot of things that don't fit with american values. there is an 80 year relationship between the united states and saudi arabia, a profound one in defense and security and, of course, oil. there are times where presidents have to deal with figures that are unsavory on the world stage in the u.s. interest. what was unusual, it was not on the schedule. they told us there was nothing planned. they added it. the real message will be after he met with mbs, what is the

president's take away. that's what we are looking for. >> so, hadley, you are an expert in this region. what reporting have you gathered today? >> in the view of saudi arabia specifically, this visit by joe biden is overdue. the question of how you get from pariah to partner in under two years is energy. it's about how much it costs, who wants it and paying for it. the idea that the united states wouldn't have a direct line to saudi arabia is baffling not in just this part of the world but other parts, china. why has the u.s. president taken so long to make this meeting. i had a chance to have a conversation with the former u.s. ambassador, saudi arabia to the united states. to put this in context, this man's father was a man who

instigated the 1973 oil embargo. he has a lot to say. human rights, he said the united states needs to get off the high horse. they are not exactly a paradigm of virtue and he told me about what the saudis would be interested to do with oil. >> president biden in my view is coming as a much diminished president than when he was first elected. as an example on energy issues, he came in with a policy to stop completely fossil fuel usage, not only in the united states but worldwide. now he is finding himself having to rely on fossil fuels as a means of meeting the energy shortage that has come about not just because of the war but the u.s. policy itself. >> you got to remember that this is a country, saudi

arabia, wondering why after multiple rocket attacks, those rockets from iran and hitting oil infrastructure, the united states would pull the patriot missiles out of the country. this is one of the largest oil producers in the world. they are the de facto leader of opec with the strong relationship with russia as a direct result of the pandemic and what it did to oil prices a couple of years ago. that production agreement comes to an end in september. i had no indication from anyone i spoke to not just saudi arabia but broader opec that they will step back from russia because they believe that is stabilizing the energy markets. i want to mention something, when you talk about talking out of both sides of the mouth, we understand which it comes to russian crude, it's being sold at a discount and saudi arabia is buying russian crude and using it in the oil refining

facilities. they are essentially using their own saudi crude to be sold at the regular price on the market. this is a country that understands the energy dynamics and wondering why joe biden decided to hold them hostage in their view for politics. >> and the morality of it all. thank you so much for joining us and bringing all of that expertise. >> david ignatius, you are the best at a analysis on the subject. can you parse through what hadley was reporting about the motivation of the saudis and americans? >> so, katy, mbs, the de facto saudi leader wanted president biden to embrace him, accept him. he feels dissed since biden became president. this trip has been long in the making. it was choreographed today in an odd way. i'm not surprised the president

will give a speech because it seems so empty so far, this slow walk from the limousine and fist bump, shouted questions when they meet in the ornate throne room. the question to mbs, will you apologize to the family of jamal khashoggi, murdered by an operation ordered by mbs. so, tonight, what i would like to hear from the president, what did you say to mbs in your private meeting. what did you tell him? any promises from him that things like the killing of jamal khashoggi, other human rights violations will never happen again? and this trip has been build as a strategic exercise by the president. what did joe biden get out of the saudis in terms of what matters to the u.s. and global economy. are their promises on oil production. how soon will it affect the

market. i hope there is a chance for reporters to ask questions of the president tonight. there is a lot that he has to explain. otherwise the trip ends up being a very, very difficult one for him in which he gives up principle and not seen to be getting much in return. >> he said on the campaign trail that he would make this state a pariah for what he believes mbs did to jamal khashoggi and what the cia concluded as well. khashoggi's fiance tweeted about it. what jamal khashoggi would tweet is the accountability you promised for my murder, the blood of mbs's next victim is on your hands. is it all about oil? all about making sure or making it appear to the american public that he is trying to get oil prices down? >> katy, president biden said

in israel that this trip is about interests. in that sense, it's about oil, it's about our economy. i think the widow of jamal, what she said in her tweet, the question, what steps, what promises, if you will, what guarantees mbs will give to biden and to the west that this won't happen again. this is not just one incident in which my colleague was murdered. there are many incidents of american citizens, of others who have been held unjustly, who are not allowed to travel from the kingdom. a range of issues known well to the state department. i hope the president takes the time that essentially bargained for with mbs to get something significant in return. this has to be a two-way street. if we have a reset in the relationship, the saudis need to offer something that will

reassure people that are genuinely worried that this is more autocrat particular, authoritarian state despite reforms on social issues. >> let's bring back david rhodes who was talking to us last hour. this speech was not on the schedule, we didn't know about it. why double the president is coming out to give remarks to the american public at 10:30 at night in saudi arabia? >> i agree with david, this is sort of a pivotal moment in the trip. he is trying to explain what happened here. i agree, i hope that president biden raised human rights and the suppression of dissidents in private. the saudis have a choice here. mbs can go in a different direction. he came in as a leader talking about modernizing the economy, opening up the country, reducing saudi arabia's

dependence on oil, such a key, overwhelmingly important part of its economy. there is an opportunity here. i hope the president talks about what he said in private. i hope he received assurances. it's a critical moment in history. then the president should defend democracy and human rights. thanks to vladimir putin invasion of ukraine, western demo crazies are more united around these key ideals. president biden should raise them in private and be respectful but continue to push that agenda. you can do both on this trip. you can visit saudi arabia and push for human rights. >> what about, david, what hadley -- the interview that hadley did with the former saudi ambassador to the u.s., basically saying the united states needs to get off its high horse. there are a lot of folks that would argue this. we don't exactly have clean hands ourselves, especially

when it comes to the middle east, going into iraq on a lie, the havoc that was raised from all of that and the destruction of many countries that we are still dealing with today. what do you make of us continuing to go out and promote human rights and say that we are promoting human rights and we don't have a clean record, david. >> so, it's true we have made many mistakes in the middle east. i think something that the biden team is trying to stress is they want to signal that the united states is back in the middle east. there was a sense after the pal mall withdraw from affidavit that afghanistan that -- as many mistakes that we made i think we are on balance, a force for progress, for human rights in that part of the world.

what the national security adviser said in explaining this part of the trip was that he wanted to make sure that the united states didn't allow a vacuum in the middle east because of noninvolvement, nonpresence. part of that clearly is going to saudi arabia, the oil giant of the region, still an economic force in the world. i have described it as in the end the triumph f issue of powers over principles. painful to watch when you see it. this is not the first time it happened for the united states or any country but i hope that biden in this time coming up in a few minutes will give us a sense of what he has gotten out of this trip of that in some way would justify what i think appears to all of us as a sacrifice of principle. >> what is the utilitarian bargain he made. david, the trip he made so far, he made two stops in israel,

three, tel aviv, jerusalem and the west bank promising the israelis that the united states and the west would stand behind them and not let iran get a nuclear weapon while also saying to the palestinians that the u.s. is behind them getting more economic power themselves, two different things that i realize. how do you think the president has done so far on this trip. a complicated region with complicated issues? >> i think the part of the trip in israel went well. very warm. images of him greeting holocaust survivors and the reception from israeli politicians was better than expected. it's unclear what will happen in the election. that could change. then i think the meeting with abbas, the palestinian leader was good, but, again, promises of economic aid aren't what the pallis continuians want. they want a push to renewed

negotiations. it went well in israel and hopefully we will here about saudi arabia. >> we will await a two minute warning from the president. we haven't gotten one. i think the reporters are assembled. someone is raising a hand. kelly o'donnell, how does the white house feel about this trip and in discussing a two- state solution which the president said he is behind when it comes to the palestinians and israel. will this administration try to get involved in negotiations, try to restart something? >> i didn't get any sense that the president wants to be a conegotiator or anything more than a friend to the process. but, again, the voice of an american president, affirming his long held belief that there should be a palestinian state and free jewish state and a way

for those two people to live peacefully side by side under self gov visual nance. that is an aspiration, there isn't an apparatus to make it go forward unless the israelis and palestinians want to take that effort. my colleague told me the two minute warning has been given for the president's remarks. i will make it brief. the overall view is that the president is trying to accomplish things about relationship, the u.s. place in the world, a buffer against china and russia, taking a greater role in the middle east. this is the most thorny part of the trip because of all of the human rights, emotions, optics, politics and concerns that have been discussed here. so, this is the high stakes moment for the president. again, it's late at night. he had a long day. i will be interested to see how long he wishes to speak and what his body language and energy level, by that his views about what he has just

accomplished or not accomplished, how that plays out. >> we probably have a minute left. david, last remarks. i was struck by the greeting that president biden got coming off air force one on the tarmac there being met by a deputy governor, not by king salmon which is what president biden was met by, not mbs. >> they are hard to get, angry, hedging their bets, not convinced that the united states is the reliable partner of choice. they are having diplomacy with russia and china. this is the chance to say we are your historic ally, stood by saudi arabia faithfully over the years but the united states wants to get something out of the relationship in return. i'm sure biden said that and hopefully we will hear what the

president is prepared to tell us about what he got. >> not a two minute warning. they have taken it back. we have a few minutes to go before the president takes the podium. if you would be so kind, everybody, we will sneak in a very short break. don't go anywhere. we will be back in a couple of minutes. l be back in a couple f l be back in a couple f minutes. we got that right? yeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator. so you can do more incredible things.

>> here is president biden. >> meeting with the king for over a half hour, working session with the crown prince and all the ministers from energy minister to sports minister all the way down the line. and i got the chance to talk to basically the entire saudi government. thanks to many months of quiet diplomacy by the staff we accomplished significant business today. first, as you saw this morning, the saudis will open their airspace to all civilian carriers. that is a big deal, a big deal. not only symbolically but substantively a big deal. that means saudi airspace is open to flights to and from israel. this is the first tangible step in the path of what i hope will be a broader normal relations. we concluded a historic deal to transform a flash point at the heart of the middle east wars in an area of peace.

international peacekeepers including u.s. troops will leave the red sea where they have been 40 years since the camp david accords. five american soldiers died in 2020 and it's important to remember them today. now, thanks to the break through, this island will be open to tourism and economic development while retaining all necessary security arrangements and the freedom and navigation of all parties including israel. third, we agreed to work together to extend the yemen cease-fire and you know the carnage in yemen of late and in place more than three months resulting in the most peaceful period in yemen in seven years. we further agreed to pursue a diplomatic process for a wider set maniment in yemen. saudi leadership the delivery

of food and humanitarian goods to civilians. we discussed saudi arabia security needs to defend the kingdom given very real threats from iran and iran's proxies. fourth we concluded several new arrangements to better position our nation forthcoming decades. saudi arabia will invest in new u.s. led technology to develop and secure reliable 5g and 6 g networks here and in the future in developing countries to coordinate with a partnership for global infrastructure and investment that i put together at the g7. this new technology solution for 5g called open ran will out compete other platforms including china. saudi arabia will partner on a far reaching clean energy initiative focused on green hydrogen, solar, carbon capture, nuclear and other projects to accelerate the world's clean energy transition and to help the u.s. clean

energy industry set global standards. fifth, we had a good discussion on ensuring global energy security and adequate oil supplies to support global economic growth. that will begin shortly. and i am doing all i can to increase the supply for the united states of america which i expect to happen. the saudi shared that urgency and based on our discussions today i expect we will see further steps in the coming weeks. finally human rights and the need for reform. as always, as i always do, i made clear that the topic that was important to me and the united states. with respect to the murder of khashoggi, i raised it at the top of the meeting making it clear what i thought of it at the time and what i think of it now and i was straightforward and direct in discussing it. i made my view crystal clear.

i said very straightforwardly for an american president to be silent on an issue of human rights is inconsistent with who we are and who i am. i will always stand up for our values. that is a quick summary of the out comes. tomorrow, with nine leaders from around the multibillion-d commitment of the gcc to invest for the global infrastructure investment which i announced at the g7 last month to help address the infrastructure needs of low and middle income companies that don't have the wherewithal to borrow the funds to meet the needs of the people and after years of failed efforts we have now finalized an agreement to correct iraq's electric grid through kuwait and saudi arabia and deepening iraq's in the region and reducing its independence on iran and it was pointed out to me that i was reminded by staff at the time at the meeting that i tried to do that back when i was in the early days of my vice

presidency. finally, it's done -- being done. tomorrow, i'll also be laying out an affirmative framework for america's engagement in the middle east to build on these important steps going forward. the bottom line is this trip is about once again positioning america in this region for the future. we are not going to leave a vacuum in the middle east for russia or china to fill and we're getting results. i'll take a couple of questions now. >> what was the crown prince's response about your comments about khashoggi. >> he basically said that he was not personally responsible for it. i indicated i thought he was. he said he was not personally responsible for it and he took action against those responsible and i went on to talk more about how dealing with any opposition to the criticism of the saudi

administration in other countries was viewed as to be in violation of human rights. >> two questions, if i may. first, we just heard from jamal khashoggi's wife. after this visit the blood of the next mbs' victims is on your hands. >> i'm sorry she feels that way. i was straightforward back then and i was straightforward today. i didn't come here to meet with the crown prince. i came here to meet with the gcc and nine nations to deal with the security and the need of the free world, in particular the united states and not leave a vacuum here which was happening as it has in other parts of the world. >> on gas prices, if i may, you said that we'll see relief in the not too distant future. what was the message of americans who are looking for that relief. when should they expect to see a real change. >> there's been a real change. >> they've been coming down. >> they've been coming down

every single day to the best of my knowledge. >> when will we see the impact of this visit? >> i suspect you won't see it for a couple of weeks and we'll see more when we see gas prices lowering consistent with the oil. [ inaudible question ] >> do you feel that way, mr. president? >> i just answered your question. i don't regret it. i don't regret anything they said. what happened to khashoggi was outrageous. >> mr. president, you are coming under a lot of fire for your fist bump with the crown prince. i want to give you a chance to respond to that and how can you be sure that another incident and another murder like jamal khashoggi won't happen again? >> what a silly question. how can i possibly be sure of any of that? i just said i'll respond and much more. look, you've heard me say before

when i criticized xi jinping for slave labor and what they're doing in the western mountains of china, and he said i had no right to criticize china. i said, look, i'm president of the united states of america. for the united states president to remain silent on a clear violation of human rights is totally inconsistent with who we are, what we are and what we would do, what we believe, and so i'm not going to be silent. can i predict anything's going to happen let alone here, let alone in any other part of the world? no. i don't know why you're so surprised the way i react. no one has ever wondered that i mean what i say and -- >> joe manchin made significant news right now which s peers to be torpedoing and as it relates to energy and climate back at

home. your message to those americans right now that are looking for that relief that would have a wide impact as it relates to climate and energy specifically. >> i am not going away and i'll use every power that i have as president to continue to fulfill my pledge to move toward dealing with global warming. thank you very much. >> is joe manchin negotiating in good faith? >> didn't negotiate with joe manchin. i have no idea. >> he doesn't negotiate with joe manchin. he has no idea. let's get to the meat of the words he said there in saudi arabia. davids are back with us, ignatius and rhodes. guys, he said he did bring up mbs. he brought it up and mbs said he was not responsible and he said, no, you were, and mbs said i wasn't, and i've held those who were responsible, responsible. they held trials for the men who did it according to mbs. what do you make of what the president just said?

>> so is that coming to me, katy? >> ignatius. sorry. >> yeah. so i think the president did not get some of the key deliverables that i was expecting. he talked around the question of what's going to happen on oil prices. said we'll know in a few weeks. there had been some hope that there would be a specific announcement that would have an impact on the global oil markets immediately. he described his conversation with mbs about jamal khashoggi and said he brought it up at the beginning of the meeting and i didn't hear any promise, commitment, assurance that he got from mbs that this wouldn't happen again and any indication of reform within the saudi establishment. >> yeah. >> this was about reconnecting the two countries. he did that. he described it pretty well, and he said he wanted to fill a vacuum and make sure there

wasn't distance between the two countries, but in terms of the specifics, katie, i didn't hear what i was expecting. >> no, he did not say that he had a promise that they would not do it again, and in fact when he was asked will this happen again, he said i will not predict what will happen in the country. on the subject of energy he did, david rhodes, announce a few steps that the united states will be taking with saudi arabia on clean energy, a partnership which includes solar and carbon capture and green fuel. were you expecting that? >> i was expecting more also. that's a good step forward on clean energy, but the crisis now worldwide is incredibly high energy prices. you have a food crisis also emerging which is complicated from the energy crisis in ukraine. so i agree there were further things and i think he was largely defending these meetings to an american audience.

it was good he did raise khashoggi and he talked about the exchange there and what worries me is there was no promise and part of that smirk earlier from mbs, the public smirk when the question was shadowed by peter alexander. that's chilling and who he's signaling there is the saudi people. mbs is showing that an american president can't sort of cow him from attacking a dissident. so i give biden credit for coming out and giving these remarks, but i don't think the trip is achieving as much as i'd hoped. >> kell, what stood out to you? >> well, one of the things that i think is important to add in this is that as a member of the white house press corps me and my colleagues have been pressing the white house to make the president available after the meeting so there would be an opportunity to ask the questions and to hear his basic resertation behind closed doors because there was so little

access for us here. my expectation is that he wouldn't have the grand deliverables especially on a friday in the summer to be able to answer some of the questions that have been nagging leading up to this meeting, and i think this exchange did a lot of that. it may not be fulsome and it may not be satisfying on the policy end, but we now know he raised khashoggi. he didn't get the kind of response that perhaps some had wanted from mbs, but he gave us a little bit of a window into what happened in that meeting and that is important in our american democracy and for our free press that was limited here in jeddah with the restraints put on by the saudi government and how we can cover thes events and one other way to look at this is apart from the saudi government to address the traveling press and by the extension for the american people and what was this trip about, what was done and how to respond to the issues of the optics of the fist bump and much

more importantly, what was behind that. the whole issue of the khashoggi killing, and he did add something on those issues and that for tonight may be enough to fill some of the blanks in with a lot more work still to be done. kelly? >> well put, kelly o'donnell, thank you for joining us and david rhodes and david ignatius, thank you, gentlemen for all of context, analysis and insight surrounding this meeting for saudi arabia. that will do it for me two full hours. "deadline: white house" is next. ♪♪ ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. we start with the series of developments in the last 24 hours that reveal the republican party's true identity, intentions and brand. it's depravity in going beyond simply celebrating in their view the overturning of a constitutional right exercised for 50 years in the united states of america upon the right's extremist mindset when it comes to