behind that. the whole issue of the khashoggi killing, and he did add something on those issues and that for tonight may be enough to fill some of the blanks in with a lot more work still to be done. kelly? >> well put, kelly o'donnell, thank you for joining us and david rhodes and david ignatius, thank you, gentlemen for all of context, analysis and insight surrounding this meeting for saudi arabia. that will do it for me two full hours. "deadline: white house" is next. ♪♪ ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. we start with the series of developments in the last 24 hours that reveal the republican party's true identity, intentions and brand. it's depravity in going beyond simply celebrating in their view the overturning of a constitutional right exercised for 50 years in the united states of america upon the right's extremist mindset when it comes to denying nearly all

abortion rights for all women in america in the aftermath of roe versus wade being overturned is a warning sign to all americans right now of what they envision for all women including the most vulnerable among us. on capitol hill, republicans are willing to infringe on a person's right to travel in order to hold up their draconian bans on abortion in republican-led states. >> on thursday, senate republicans blocked a bill that would make it illegal for governments to punish residents who cross state lines to receive abortion care. one republican senator said the bill would lead to abortion tour tourism. can you imagine? it's a term how divorced republicans really are from the horrible reproductive decisions that women face all across our country each and every day. over in the house, lawmakers voted on a pair of bills today one that would codify the right to an abortion. not one single republican voted

for that bill or for that right. another piece of legislation would protect women that would travel across state lines and only three republicans joined to protect women who travel. both those bills, though, are expected to fail on the senate outside of party lines. outside of d.c., believe it or not, the picture is even bleaker. the gop's war on abortion rights is having a profound impact on the day to day lives of countless women already. yesterday we brought you the tragic story of a 10-year-old ohio girl. she a rape victim. she had to travel to neighboring indiana to receive an abortion. it's a story that democrats pointed to as an example of the peril facing women who are already traumatized in a post-roe america, but right-wing media couldn't accept that it was true. they got very busy casting doubt on the girl trying to erase her and her story and that was the plan for them. until a man was charged for

raping the little girl. then no longer able to pretend that the story wasn't real, that it didn't really happen, republicans pivoted quickly as they are apt to do. they launched a smear campaign against the physician. dr. caitlan bernard, the indiana obgyn who helped this 10-year-old rape victim. indiana's attorney general has now threatened bernard with prosecution, criminal prosecution insinuating without any evidence that the doctor failed to report the 10-year-old's abortion. it turns out, that, too, was a big, fat lie. the allegation wasn't true. "the washington post" is reporting this today. records obtained by "the washington post" showed that bernard indeed reported the abortion to the state agencies before the legally mandated deadline to do so. kathleen delaney said in a news statement that bernard is, quote, considering legal action against those who have smeared her including indiana attorney

general todd rokita. a colleague of bernard told "the new york times" that bernard may be the canary in the coal mine for what abortion providers can base across the country. political attacks on abortion providers are, of course, nothing new. that's not all that providers and their staff face. they've been targeted, harassed and in some cases murdered for providing legal health care for their patients. some types of attacks against them recently have increased. this moment, post-roe versus wade is particularly frightening and chilling for anyone who cares for patients especially those providing healthcare. our ethical responsibility as clinicians is providing safe and evidence-based health care if providing that care results in deaths to professional and personal safety, patients will suffer. doctors have sworn to do no harm. clearly many of those in power

have not. it's where we start today. joining us is kathleen delaney and the attorney for dr. caitlin bernard. thank you for being with us. >> can you tell us the latest, the status of any legal action against the attorney general who in your words has smeared the doctor? >> yes. thank you, nicole, for having me and for telling my client's story today. we appreciate that very much. unlike attorney general todd rokita who is both a politician and a lawyer, we are going to do our homework, gather the facts and research the law before we start willing accusations and filing cases. the first step in that process, we took within the hour we sent mr. rokita a cease-and-desist letter demanding that he stop smearing my client and falsely accusing her of things that she hasn't done.

>> police cease-and-desist from making sames about dr. bernard and her profession which constitute defamation. moreover, to the extent that any statement you make exceeds the general scope of your authority as indiana's attorney general, such a statement forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim. are you -- you said you're doing research. we did some, as well. if the defamation case exists there, i wonder if you are examining other people who have lied about what happened here. >> we are going to do all of the work that needs to be done before we make a decision about who to sue or on what legal theories. it's a step-by-step process. we're at the very first step now and our hope, immediate hope with that letter that we sent today is that mr. rokita will stop vilifying my client and stop trying to change the story

away from what really happened here which is that a 10-year-old child was raped and abused and had to travel across state lines to get medical care that she needed. >> i know for privacy reasons and legal and unethical reasons you cannot tell us anything about the child. can you tell us how dr. bernard is doing? is she shaken by this incident and is she more resolved to continue to help? can you tell us how she's holding up? >> sure. dr. bernard is an amazing, compassionate well-trained person who has seriously taken a lot of hits over the last few days, and it's -- it's -- she's had to have security at her home and take other steps, but at the same time, we have been overwhelmed and gratified by the outpouring of support for her that we have received from all across the country and even around the world, and in fact, a group of obgyn physicians from around the country banded

together and launched a go fund me page today in order to show support and help her deal with the costs that are being incurred as a result of this campaign by the attorney general of indiana and others who have tried to gin up this story. >> do you or she have any analysis or perspective on why this 10-year-old's rape and the medical and family decision to abort a rapist pregnancy has touched such a nerve on the right? why the facts of this could be destroyed and why this little girl couldn't exist in post-row america. >> they want to pretend that this type of problem doesn't happen, but it does happen all too often. they would like to argue that

people elect abortions for no good reason or they don't want to talk about the child who is 10 years old who isn't even old enough to baby sit somebody else's children yet they want to force her to become a mother. that is a tragedy upon a tragedy that is a consequence of the laws that are being passed now that roe versus wade has been overturned, and in indiana where we are, our governor has called a special session to begin on july 25th for the sole purpose of passing new abortion laws and we are very concerned about what they are going to do in that session, and so mr. rokita and others have tried to, as you said in your intro, pretend that this girl didn't exist. accuse the doctor of making it up all because they want to change the narrative. >> we have -- we also mentioned the reporting in "the washington post," and i've seen some of the local reporting. can you confirm for us that all

of the appropriate paperwork and documentation was filed by dr. bernard. >> yes. i can confirm that through every step of the way in dealing with this patient just like in all of her other situations dealing with patients, dr. bernard called upon her medical and ethical training. she did everything by the book according to policy, procedure and in compliance with the law, and she unequivocally reported this incident to the proper authorities within the timeframe set forth by statute, and if mr. rokita had done his homework he would have known that before he went on fox news and falsely accused her of not making a report. >> is dr. bernard -- does she have concerns -- her friends spoke out about how very dangerous it is to be targeted by the right and the extreme right politicians in this country. is she -- does she feel safe?

does she have adequate protection, in her view? >> we are doing all that we can to ensure that she has adequate protection, but another point that we made in our letter to mr. rokita this afternoon is that his words are inciting people and that is a very dangerous thing for him to be doing and it reminds me in a different way of what happened at the insurrection on january 6th. mr. rokita is out there throwing mud at my client in a very politically charged scene with this special session coming up in a couple of weeks and we're very concerned that he's being extremely irresponsible in his communication and could, in fact, prompt someone to do something illegal and to do something horrible and we are definitely concerned about that. >> yeah. i mean, the moment the climate is on my mind, too. i have examples of things that were said about ler and i'm reluctant to even play them even

though they further strengthen any defamation case, but the climate is certainly a fraught one with people feeling very afraid, and it's just very curious that lying about her paperwork that is filed and there for the eye to see was part of his -- his strategy. kathleen, i want to ask you, too, to keep us posted and if dr. bernard, you know, has anything to say she's always welcome here. thank you for spending some time with us today. >> thank you very much, nicole. my pleasure. joining our coverage msnbc medical contributor dr. kavita patel former obama health policy director, also msnbc legal analyst. talia weinstein, former federal and new york state prosecutor and congresswoman barbara lee is here. she's co-chair of the house steering and policy committee. congresswoman, i start with you. i have been covering this this. i saw it in the local press when the story broke, and i still

don't have an answer to the question that i presented to ms. delaney. why can't a 10 1/2-year-old rape victim exist in the dystopian post-roe america? why do they need to erase her? >> first of all, this is despicable what is taking place especially with this young child. they know they're wrong, first of all. they're morally wrong. they're ethsicily wrong and they know that what they're doing is -- is really un-american and so they've got to change the message and they've got to shift gears and they've got to get some more ammunition to go against the physicians and to others to try to when they're caught, they're caught, and i think they're going to get caught more and more and more. they'll try to re-make and re-shape the argument, and so we have to really be very vigilant and make sure that they don't do

that because to think of this young girl being raped and then them trying to deny this and to think of the trauma and to think of what they're doing, forget even the laws and forget the policies right now. just think of their disgusting way of viewing young girls and viewing this tragedy that happened to her. to me, it's just a moral disgrace and they're going to keep doing this because they know that they are wrong and the public is not with their policies nor are they with the plan that they want to do in terms of establishing a national ban on abortion which we're not going to allow them to do and that's why elections matter and that's why we're going to make sure everyone votes in november. >> it really is a startling new phase of, you know, the stages

of grief or shock and sadness. to see that this is what they envisioned, that a 10-year-old girl who is the victim of a violent rape should carry her rapist's child. i wonder, congresswoman, if you can tell us how you're going to stop them from -- from doing what they want to do on this policy area. it's clear that there aren't enough votes in the senate to codify what the house has passed. >> yes, but you know, today once again, we passed the health protection act. we passed the bill. the right to travel bill and in many respects we understand and we know what we're faced with in the senate, but that doesn't mean we're not going to keep fighting and also we're going to make sure that come november, we have additional democratic senators who can work to end the filibuster or at least have a carveout for the filibuster for issues like reproductive freedom

in our democracy. this is a step toward the erosion of our democracy. finally, i'll say they want to take away the right to make personal health care decisions. they're trying to take away the right to travel. they're trying to criminalize people and providers for exercising their freedoms and they're trying to make vigilantes out of people, making people spy on each other. what country is this? what has this country become? so i have problems with it and thank you, nicole, for doing what you're doing and everyone for putting the word out there and making sure the truth is told because we have got to make people understand that you have to elect not only a pro-choice house and expand our house representatives, but we have to end the filibuster so that we can protect people's freedoms and personal liberties. >> kelly, i want to ask you about this defamation exposure

that not just the attorney general has. i mentioned to ms. delaney, but let me read you what jesse waters said about dr. bernardo fox news. he said this, quote, caitlin bernard, the abortion doctor who performed the operation has a legal requirement to report the abortion to child services and the state's health department because a 10-year-old isn't able to give consent and is therefore a rape victim. from what we can find out this indiana abortion doctor has covered this up. when she was asked to respond, dr. bernard said this, i'm not going to put anyone else in fox's line of fire, but as her attorney said as has been made public, all of the appropriate paperwork has been filed. for a physician to have to care for the most vulnerable among us an out of state 10-year-old rape victim and monitor jesse waters' program, i don't even know when that's on on fox news, seems like an inordinate burden for a

physician in america. >> yeah. i don't know when that program is on either, nicole, and look, defamation cases are challenging to bring although easier if you're not a public official, but ultimately this is not only about dr. bernard. i think that we can't say enough times that this abortion was perfectly legal. there are restrictions on abortion in indiana and none of them apply here and even the technicality that they threadened her with it was really easy to see, to the naked eye did she fill out that form. and so what is the message not just to dr. bernard? the message in general is that even in an abortion-providing state, you may find yourself if you are a provider exposed to criminal liability to losing your liberty and assuming that people act with intention, and i generally do, i think that this

is a feature and not a bog of the anti-choice movement because when people are unsure about what is legal and what are they able to do and where exposure might come from, it changes their behavior, and i think the effect here and the hope for effect here is to get fewer people to seek abortions and fewer people to provide abortions even in places where they are completely legal as it was here. >> dr. patel, the whole thing is so shocking to process, and it's taken us a couple of days to really dig into this story, but i wonder your thoughts as a medical doctor, as a physician to see a physician like dr. bernard literally in the line of fire. >> nicole, honestly, i can't say how many times i thought this is -- what country are we in?

what has happened? and i want to start with the fact that you had a caring and compassionate doctor that did the right thing by science and the right thing by law and still, not just a technicality. notice the attorney general didn't make a comment about whether she followed medicine. whether she actually practiced according to the highest standards. it was about filling out some form or reporting something, and honestly, it's -- it's -- it reminds me of some of the gaslighting that doctors receive, myself included, around covid when we were talking about taking care of people and that this is a real virus and this is something that you need to wear a mask for and get vaccinated for and i thought that and the social media overspill of the -- i mean, there's still violence on social media against health care professionals. can you imagine? even if the attorney wasn't able to overturn with the cease-and-desist order and the legalities and the ripple effect

this will have on her and the physician who wrote that new york times op ed, and anybody who speaks out in favor, it's stunning and by the way, it's something that we should be pushing on all medical institutions and all of the guilds and societies to tackle because there is not the end, it's the beginning of this behavior. >> i want to ask you about the other consequences. i'm not even going to say unintended. it's not clear that they were intended and the subpar care that some women are concern about getting while in the hospital. when we come back we'll talk about how the abortion crisis in america is playing with voters. what parts of this they see, no surprise, taking away a constitutional right from every woman in america isn't turning out to be a politically advantageous move for republicans. plus, pennsylvania senate candidate john fetterman was

sidelined after a stroke for a few weeks has been making good use an unconventional candidate running an unconventional campaign and he's trolling his republican rival again and again. we'll show you his latest efforts at that dr. oz. later in the program, the focus of the january 6th select committee, text messages from the day of and the day before have been erased by the united states secret service and we'll get into what that means and whether they can be reported or recovered some other way? "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. please stay with us. r a quick b. r a quick b. please stay with us. so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. [whistling]

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do you think a 10-year-old should choose to carry a baby? >> i believe it would probably impact her her life, and so therefore it would fall under any exception and it would not be an abortion. >> wait. it would not be an abortion if a 10-year-old with her parents made a decision not to have a baby that was the result of a rape? >> if a 10-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape, and it was threatening her life then that's not an abortion. so it would not fall under any abortion restriction in our nation. >> so the problem with the right is -- we've been talking over the last 22 minutes proves that's not true because it wasn't an abortion. she could have had it in her own state. that was democratic congressman eric swalwell questioning anti-choice activist catherine glenn foster who appeared to be trying to redefine what is up

and what is down, redefining what an abortion is when it's a 10-year-old who is a child and who is pregnant because she is a victim of rape and has decided to terminate her pregnancy and we are back with the panel. dr. patel. what do you do with this, with words not meaning what they mean and the rights obsession with redefining what this vital health care procedure -- what an abortion is and isn't. what is this? >> this is a redefinition of science as we know it. what business did that woman have, does anybody have, the attorney general and to be candid, all of the lawmakers that have decided to put in black and white this language that actually gets in between a doctor and their patient? what business does anybody have? it would be as if i said, nicole, i'm so sorry, we found this diagnosis of cancer, we don't know what kind of cancer because we have to ask a panel of ten people. there's science behind everything that all of us are

doing and these tactics just confuse the public. they also, unfortunately, nicole justify individual's actions or groups' actions to do what the congresswoman talked about with violence against these people and it creates chaos. what they've done is they've tried to make science what they want. by doing so they are able to create the terms by which you can practice haelthd care and in turn, who can seek that healthcare and receive it. we're watching it. >> telly, it seems that physicians are in need of a whole lot of almost a surge of legal support because as dr. patel is pointing out and as this anti-choice activist makes clear, not only is there disinformation around what the consequences of the supreme court decision, but there isn't clarity for people trying to care for pregnant women in america in terms of what the

lines are and what does that legal effort look like? >> well, that's exactly right, nicole. first, physicians need legal support and sometimes making these decisions. sometimes in emergency situations and lots of these abortion bans are vague and what does a fetal abnormality mean? what does the life of the mother or health of the mother really mean? and to move quickly through those questions and to protect oneself is really difficult. hot lines have been set up around the country, and i think we have to say that one of the effects of that is to slow down abortions, an intended effect and then there's the question of legal exposure if a physician is threatened with prosecution that's not usually the kind of thing that medical malpractice insurance covers, and so there's a movement for lawyers to provide pro bono defense for

physicians who might find themselves in the crosshairs and that's complicated because those lawyers themselves are being threatened in some instances about aiding and abetting abortion and having some civil liability because they've stepped in, and you know, finally, i think this is important because we're talking about a technical reporting requirement and there's another elaborate reporting requirement in indiana that if a woman has anything from a heart attack to depression and she had a prior abortion there's another form you have to fill out about that. so there is, in parallel, a movement to kind of really crush physicians into keeping up with a whole new legal web that, you know, creates more and more opportunities for them to stumble, to fail and to find themselves possibly in trouble even if they're trying to do everything right and by the

book. >> congresswoman, i've said this before. republicans are the dog trying to catch the speeding car. rape and incest have the disapproval of 83% of all americans including pluralities of their own base of supporters. what do you do with that? how do you take this case to the american people? >> nicole, let me just say, first of all, what they're trying to do with the witness and her response to eric swalwell was the beginning of the beginning of a new big lie. this is part of their tactics, right? this is part of what happens when there are forces trying to erode democracy. what she put out there was trying to create a new lie. she is denying the truth. she wants that to catch on with their base so that they begin to redefine what the truth is, and so this is another big lie that

is just beginning based on what she has just said. so what do we do? every step of the way, we have to confront these people and we have to take them on and we have to tell the public exactly what is taking place because we have to make sure of is that states move forward, to pass like we're doing in california, initiatives that enshrine and put into our constitution access to abortions. we have to make sure that we have to make sure that the public understands that it's the republicans that are trying to deny personal reproductive freedoms including, mind you, contraceptives, access to birth control and family planning. where does this stop? we have to make sure that while the public understands while they're attacking reproductive freedom and reproductive liberties today. tomorrow what will it be, and they will be back with the lgbtqi community and what's

next? they started on voting rights and what's after that? interracial marriages and they support roe versus waited. they support a woman's ability, a person's ability to make their own reproductive health care decisions and not politicians, not judges and the public supports that and what the republicans are trying to do is now trying to remake and reshape the argument and trying to deny the truth and trying to create a public that has a public that has public opinion going down so that they can move forward and exercise all of their anti-democratic managers which is very dangerous and so we have to make sure people understand we've got a vote and why we have to vote and that is to protect, yes, our reproductive health care and choices and libertes and to protect our democracy.

>> it's interesting. congresswoman, you and miss delaney, representing dr. bernard made the same point to the echoes of the big lie. it's an unbelievable, unbelievable moment. i am grateful to all of you for helping us with this story. it is very important. dr. kavita patel, and congresswoman. up next, key senate races that were winnable for republicans not too long ago are on very shaky ground. the tables have turned thanks to candidates who are extremely fringy even for today's gop which is saying a lot. competing against untraditional democratic candidates. we'll take a look at the midterms when we come back. a le midterms when we come back

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candidates and alleged abusers typically don't make great candidates and they're also swimming in a sea of muck with abortion rights. do you think democrats can make that case effectively between now and november? >> well, there's no question they can. the only issue is whether they will. when you look at the fact that we're facing very critical issues in this country, people are concerned about inflation. people are concerned with what's going on with women's right to choose and the whole question of women's right to choose becoming a right for jim crow and you're going to give me snooki or a senator in georgia that says they're putting good over china when i'm worried about the price of gas. i think the democrats must not

just talk about how bizarre the candidates are, but show how grown up they are and what they want to do and can do. there must be some real policy and real clear, grown-up kind of politics as well as show who these people are not fit to serve particularly during these critical times. >> i want to put up some of the numbers for you, david. fetterman's up six over dr. oz. warnock is ahead of herschel walker. incredibly bizarre campaign being run by mr. walker. in ohio, tim walker is ahead of the author of "hillbilly ellergy." these were supposed to be pretty winnable races for the republicans. what do you see? >> well, nicole, you've been through this in races through the years. when you have a tough economic

environment as a party, it takes a lot to overcome that and so you're starting to see some stars align at least in the senate that maybe the democrats can overcome pretty terrible economic numbers of the wrong direction and being almost historically negative, yet republicans have nominated candidates that are not electable, out of the mainstream and you've obviously got the abortion issue that really, if not fundamentally changing simply altering the calculous of voters. you put that together and the threats of democracy hanging over this. if you just looked at the economic numbers and the approval numbers for the democrat president. you say the republicans should basically win every competitive race and right now, we've got a long way to go, and i would say what's important about those numbers particularly in pennsylvania and particularly in georgia is those incumbents are in 50. when someone leads 42-40, that

doesn't tell us much because you still have a lot of the vote to be allocated and you're seeing in those states they're not undecided and yeah, the stars have aligned here, too. mcconnell has been through this before. they should have won the senate way back in '10. they nominated crazy people back in '12, and you're seeing that again this time, and i think democrats need to capitalize. so, yes, i think you need to keep those vulnerable republican incumbents -- i'm sorry, candidates in the spotlight. i think fetterman is doing a great job of that. that ad you showed was a piece of brilliant political messaging and with these candidates, if the republicans if they gained power they're not going to do anything about inflation or jobs or healthcare. they're going to basically go in there and try to outlaw abortion federally, try to do donald trump and his family's fitting and not do anything to help you with your family. this has aligned in a very

interesting way. >> rev, how much is the conversation among democrats turning to something that looks more like '02 where a president's party balked history because of an extraordinary environment in terms of security? it was post-9/11 all of the stars that usually align for the other party did not. is the conversation shifting between the decision from the supreme court and this radical opinion that ensued after they overturned roe v. wade or is there still some defeatism? >> i heard a lot of defeatism, but after the supreme court decision and when we see the question of roe versus wade being overturned and the january 6th select committee coming with some very serious evidence around the attempt to overturn

the election as i travel to the network and go into the churches and people are saying wait, we need to do something about this. i think beginning to energize in a 2002 way that the democrats couldn't have planneded and they must be able to manage and ride on that. the experts were predicting this would be a republican way and we were not dealing with what the price of gas would be. we were not dealing with ukraine. all of this has been in the last several months and by drip, drip, drip, people are saying we're in a serious time that believe what we believe in charge of government and i think there for the cracks to take the helm and they would do it

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congressman ryan, you've been a jobs creator. you've been tough on china. >> you were on the stop and you talked bread and butter issues, kitchen table issues. >> tim ryan, someone who is pitching some of the more moderate ideas. watch, for example, what

happened when congressman tim ryan tried to remind his fellow democrats that most americans don't actually support open borders. >> you're very moderate. you're hanging out in the middle like most of us are. we're back with the rev and david. so it turns out those things ar forever and i wonder, david plouffe, what you think of this strategy. is it good enough to help him win ohio? >> it's a smart strategy. i think, you know, ohio, ohio's changed a lot, nicole, as you know, a lot over the last decade. so, the question is, tim ryan, i think, is going to get as many votes as you can get. the question is, what is the ceiling for a democrat not named sherrod brown in ohio? he got, like, 53.5% of the vote. barack obama won the state twice not too long ago. that's the question, what's the ceiling? and to win a state like ohio that's trending red, you're going to have to drive democratic turnout to astronomical levels but just the

sheer reality, whether some activists like it or not, is you've got to win a lot of swing voters, including swing voters that align with the republican party, so i think tim ryan is trying to present himself as somebody that if you're a centrist voter, you should be comfortable with and to disqualify jd vance. i'm confident tim ryan's going to get all the votes he can get. the question is, ohio 2022, is the ceiling for a democrat, you know, 50, 51, or a little bit lower? he's running a brilliant race. >> i mean, rev, to the point that politics are always changing, always dynamic, ohio is ground zero. it's the state where this 10-year-old rape victim had to flee from to receive healthcare. what do you think about the fluidity of this cycle? >> i think that it is clear that there is real fluidity, and i think that we've always had those that were moderate and those that were considered progressive. i mean, go back to the '80s with the democratic leadership

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did you see a ufo in that cloud? nope. run! ♪ ♪ [ droning sound ] ♪♪ it's obviously an alarming thing to learn that there were secret service text messages from january 6th itself and also the day before that were deleted as part of a device replacement

program. we don't know what the facts are, and we're going to get to the facts about why that happened, and we're going to do whatever we can to retrieve the substance of those texts. >> hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in the east. so far, in the january 6th select committee's investigation, we've been able to learn what the people close to the ex-president were actually saying to each other at the time of the insurrection in large part thanks to the committee obtaining thousands and thousands of text messages. these little pieces of evidence provide unfiltered windows into exactly what people were worried about and reacting to in the moment, which is why this new announcement by the department of homeland security's inspector general that the secret service erased text messages from january 5th and 6th is, as committee member jamie raskin describes there, alarming. in a letter to the senate and house homeland security committees, the dhs internal watchdog writes this, "the

department notified us that many u.s. secret service text messages from january 5th and 6, 2021, were erased as art positive a device replacement program. the u.s. secret service erased those messages after oig requested records of electronic communications from the secret service as part of our evaluation of the events at the capitol on january 6th. a spokesman for the secret service disputes that. "the insinuation that the secret service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false. in fact, the secret service has been fully cooperating with the oig in every respect, whether it be interviews, documents, emails or texts." this afternoon, we learned that the dhs inspector general briefed all members of the select committee on what he found. all of this comes as the secret service was front and center in the testimony of former chief of staff mark meadows aide cassidy hutchinson. >> i just want to confirm that

that is what you heard the president say, the people with weapons weren't there to hurt him and that he wanted the secret service to remove the magnetometers. >> that's correct. >> you also told us about reports of violence and weapons that the secret service were receiving on the night of january 5th and throughout the day on january 6th. is that correct? >> that's correct. the president said something to the effect of, i'm the f'ing president, take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol. >> that was some of the most revelatory testimony that we have heard about the trump presidency ever, not to mention the day of the insurrection. so, any detail that could build on or corroborate hutchinson's

accounts there would obviously be extremely valuable to the committee and extremely detrimental to donald trump. nbc reports this. "secret service sources have reportedly disputed some of hutchinson's testimony but none have testified to that under oath. that account sparked discussion about additional evidence of interest to the committee. the text messages might have been able to clear up questions related to hutchinson's testimony." committee chairman bennie thompson tells axios, "if there's a way we can reconstruct the texts or what have you, we will." it's where we start the hour. pete strzok is here, former fbi counterintelligence agent. also joining us, maya wiley and claudia is here, npr congressional reporter. claudia, it's a pleasure to have you. take us inside where this leaves the committee, and i have to say the secret service statement is completely misaligned with the

ig account. no one says "maliciously deleted. "they simply say they were not present because of a device replacement policy. >> right. it's really hard to follow the semantics in this one, and great to be with you, by the way, nicole. in terms of the statements, these competing statements, it is hard to parse out what is the correct story here, because we are hearing from this inspector general, who oversees the department of homeland security, which includes the secret service, of course, that these messages were deleted after a request, but then we hear from the secret service, no, no, no, that's not the case. we had been in this migration program for months, and when i followed up with the spokesman today, as to what does that exactly mean, he was telling me that it started out with a request, 20 individuals at the

secret service, they had not gone through the migration, their messages were available, and then the request grew. so by the time they got the request for other individuals, the spokesman argues, by then, those other individuals had gone through the migration. messages were lost. and so, that's their argument. we've cooperated all along, and also the spokesman argued that they do not text a lot. agents do not text a lot, and in some cases, they're prohibited, and so the next steps are going to be, if bennie thompson, the chairman of the january 6th panel, was telling us today, is to talk to the secret service and find out what really is going on here and get to the bottom of it. >> yeah, i mean, pete strzok, what sort of, of your spiedy senses goes up in this? to me, as someone who wrote statements for government agencies and politicians, the statement is so hyperdefensive, so specifically misdirected in terms of what's alleged by the ig that it raises flags totally

separate from the missing text messages. >> yeah, absolutely, nicole. i mean, i think when you look at some of the words, like the use of the word "maliciously," when you have all these qualifiers in terms of what was or wasn't done, and certainly when you take that sort of squishy sort of wording and put it in the context of the immediate rebuttals to what cassidy hutchinson testified to, only later to have d.c. metropolitan police officers say, well, no, in fact, we did hear what cassidy testified to. there is a sort of -- automatically a little bit of doubt when it comes to things that are being said by the secret service. but look, i mean, i think there's a way we have now, clearly conflicting statements, and there's an easy way for congress to get to the bottom of it. it is something congress has done time and time again. i know personally i have testified multiple times to congress, as have people, agents, well below my level so it is not unprecedented for congress to bring people in, put them under oath, they don't need

to be in a public testifying setting, but get people under oath, ask what happened. at the end of the day, it is or may be egregious whether or not texts were deleted, but at the end of the day, what's really important to know, and what the secret service can tell us is, what was the -- were the circumstances surrounding moving pence or not moving pence out of the capitol during the attack? what did or did not president trump know about armed members in the crowd on january 6th? what did or didn't happen in terms of his intention to move to the capitol? how far in advance was that known? and all these questions can very easily be obtained if the committee then goes and does what i believe they need to do and to get to the bottom of this. >> maya, this isn't really about the texts, at the end of the day. i mean, if there were testimony that could exonerate trump from his burning desire to join his armed supporters at the united states capitol and apply just a little bit more pressure on mike pence while they were chanting, "hang mike pence," we

would have seen it by now. what do you think this is about? >> well, i think it is about the credibility of the secret service. i think as peter points out, the fact that cassidy hutchinson's testimony was so explosive put donald trump directly in the action, knowing and being told there were people with weapons, including an ar-15 and glocks, that the president was demanding -- we already know he told people to go to the capitol. we've seen from the committee that there were text messages where organizers like ali alexander, like kiley kramer, were saying, president is going to direct us to the capitol. and then, the president doing it but having cassidy hutchinson say he was demanding to go there himself after all his legal advisors said, don't do that, that will be criming, to have secret service agents actually dispute any of her testimony may

be making the defensive because it makes them look like they're not fully forthcoming, but i also agree with peter. the point here is, you can get that information through testimony. it should be under oath. but the reams of evidence, the reams of evidence already implicating donald trump, and i haven't heard or seen any secret service agents claiming that she was not being consistent with what she was seeing or hearing from their view when she was saying he was demanding to go there. that puts him directly into some form of possible conspiracy, solicitation, or other crimes related to not just, you know, interfering with the authority of the united states government, which is its own felony, but possibly sedition. >> you know, claudia, no one understands exactly how the secret service functions or where they are or how much they know than the daughter of a president or vice president. i mean, liz cheney knows exactly

what the secret service knows, and there's already some reporting, maggie haberman had reported back in june that the day before a mob of trump supporters stormed the capitol, vice president pence's chief of staff called pence's lead secret service agent to his west wing office. the chief of staff, marc short, had a message for the agent, tim giebls. the president was going to turn publicly against the vice president and there could be a security risk to pence because of it. we don't know that they knew of the gallows or that trump would be happy about the chant to hang mike pence, but we know that the chief of staff knew there would be a threat, and he informed pence's agent. it seems that the committee is already in a lot of -- in the possession of a lot of knowledge of what the secret service did and knew. why are they holding back? why not go, you know, why not go -- why not get to the right of the committee and say, we'll tell you everything, we have nothing to hide. our top goal was to protect the vice president that day.

>> right, yes, as you said, this agency, in terms of transparency, there is a history there in terms of trying to get to the bottom of questionable perspectives on what may have happened, for example, in this case, january 6th, and leading up to it. and so, this has been a process ongoing for the january 6th panel, trying to confirm these kind of details and now obviously with the hutchinson testimony, they're trying to confirm some very explosive details that she shared, such as the, quote, unquote, physical altercation that we heard about in terms of involvingagents, and so that is what they're looking at, but step by step, it was clear today, talking to the chairman, chairman thompson, about the next steps, that the secret service is in their eyes, that's the next step, and they want to hear their side of the story and find out what is really going on here.

>> pete, i want to ask you about another witness who is before the committee today. he will forever, i think, be known in political culture by pat cipollone's term for him, the overstock person. let me show you how pat cipollone describes the overstock person. his name is patrick byrne. >> i opened the door and i walked in. i saw general flynn. i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people who were in the oval office. >> explain why. >> well, again, i don't think they were providing -- well, first of all, the overstock person, i've never met -- never knew who this guy was. actually, the first thing i did, i walked in, and i looked at him, and i said, who are you? and he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice.

and so i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> this, pete, i'll never get over. i didn't understand how he got in. there's a wave system. that's how anyone gets on to the 18-acre complex. the fact that the white house counsel didn't know how the overstock person got in is still one of these, like, mysteries that i could watch hours of television on trying to understand. but this person that the white house counsel didn't know how he got in, the overstock person, mr. byrne, is before investigators today. what would you want to know? >> well, i think a couple of things, nicole. one, byrne not only was involved back during the last days of the trump administration, but he has been going around the country up to this day putting forth all these ideas that the 2020 vote was stolen, that there's still efforts to, you know, taint the elections coming up in the midterms and in the 2024 presidential election. so, if he doesn't perjure

himself today, i think he will provide the committee very clear evidence that there is an ongoing threat to our electoral infrastructure and system. i mean, he has put forth a wide variety of extraordinarily, just, outlandish claims about what happened with the vote, very consistent with the sort of things that we have heard were going on in that december meeting, but i think it will be very interesting. if i were the committee, not only to get a handle on what happened in that meeting and around that meeting in the white house in december, but also to start asking questions about what's going on today, what are going -- what is going on with all these folks surrounding trumpworld contesting the votes right now and going into future elections? >> right. right. it is ongoing. maya, here's a little bit more about the overstock person. in addition to his intense belief that biden did not legitimately win the presidency, byrne has regularly expressed support for other conspiracy theories. he accused a competitor he named after a "star wars" villain of trying to take down overstock.

he toured the country in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, giving anti-vaccine speeches, and he has spread misinformation about covid on websites and via social media. sounds like the kind of candidates trump has been endorsing in the midterms, but clearly, as pete said, an ongoing threat to democracy in terms of sowing distrust and disinformation. >> yeah, look, everything we have learned about and know about january 6th is that it's not about january 6th. i mean, the big lie started in 2010, 2008, really, but 2010 in earnest when states were using it to make it harder for folks to vote even in the absence of voter fraud. there's nothing new in this except the extremes to which donald trump and his supporters were willing to go to protect his power, his seat in the oval office. and i think it's critical and important to know both how that is an ongoing and continuing

threat, but also, how exactly -- how much was donald trump engaged in the conversation with his unhinged advisors who have that december 18th meeting, referred to as unhinged, and it was after that meeting, remember, that donald trump tweeted out, you know, come to the january 6th rally. will be wild. what did he know about the discussions around that and the discussions that happened before and after that december 18th meeting with the president and the president's own state of mind? because it goes directly to the question of this multispoked conspiracy, that for all we know right now, there's tons of evidence putting trump right as the hub of this conspiratorial wheel. but i think he has more information to share, exactly what conversations trump was having, with whom, and what his

state of mind and his intent was. >> maya, he's not someone who could claim executive privilege. he's the overstock person. is he someone that you would expect to take the fifth the way eastman did? >> you know, it's hard to say. certainly taking the fifth is separate from claiming that you can't speak based on executive privilege. but we already know that there is no executive privilege that applies here. there's something else that doesn't apply here, and that's attorney-client privilege either. right? you can't have your lawyers in a room, telling you something, giving you advice and counsel, with folks who are not and folks who are not working for you, like mike lindell, the pillow guy, for any meetings he was in, or like, you know, the overstock guy. and then claim somehow that you have any confidential communications. it simply doesn't apply. >> it's not a thing. pete strzok, maya wiley, claudia grisales, thank you very much. when we come back, why president joe biden found

himself compelled to meet with the crown prince of saudi arabia, a country he promised on the campaign trial to turn into a pariah. we'll explain next. plus, as if running for governor in a big battleground state after taking part in the capitol insurrection wasn't bad enough, new revelations show the campaign of pennsylvania's republican candidate for governor paid consulting fees to a white supremacist social media platform. we'll talk to his opponent about what this says. and the absolute heartbreaking trauma facing the children of ukraine. we'll be joined by a friend of our program who's getting ready to help what is becoming an even more dire situation by the hour. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. r. r. "deadline white house" continues ♪ i'm way ahead of schedule with my trusty team ♪ ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ after a quick break. after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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we discussed human rights and the need for political reform. as always, as i always do, i made clear that the topic is vitally important to me and to the united states. with respect to the murder of khashoggi, i raised it at the top of the meeting, making it clear what i thought of it at the time and what i think of it now. i made my view crystal clear. i said, very straightforwardly, for an american president to be silent on an issue of human rights is inconsistent with who we are and who i am. i'll always stand up for our values. >> that was president biden. it was a little over one hour ago after his hours-long and controversial meeting with crown prince mohammed bin salman, commonly referred to as mbs, of saudi arabia. it's part of president biden's trip to the middle east.

the president finally coming face-to-face with the crown prince shortly after arriving earlier today with a quick fist bump seen around the world by this point. you may remember that president biden promised during his campaign to make saudi arabia a pariah in the wake of the vicious murder of "washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi, a murder which the cia concluded was ordered by the crown prince. according to reporting from nbc news, biden was resis about the tant to making this trip at all but was lobbied by advisors to convince him it was necessary. he said the conversation was productive on many fronts from oil production amid high gas prices to confronting china's growing power in the world economy. joining us now, rick stengel, msnbc political analyst. i want your analysis first of the decision to meet with mbs and the president's remarks and then -- and then i, you know, i

think this was something that the president handled pretty artfully by saying he didn't want to leave a vacuum in the region. but i want your thoughts on all of it. >> it's a hard choice. and no politician likes to go back on a campaign promise, but nations have interests, and he's now representing the interests of the united states, and he made a choice that having a -- saudi arabia producing more oil in the wake of russia's invasion of ukraine was a higher priority than the human rights priority of kind of tackling them for the murder of jamal khashoggi. it's just -- it's just the kind of hard decisions that presidents have to make. i thought -- i agree with you. i thought his remarks there were candid. they were honest. i absolutely believe him. i've been in many meetings where a president of the united states or a secretary of state brings

up human rights issues and makes his interlocutor uncomfortable. i'm sure that happened. but of course, you know, mbs got something out of it too. he got the fist bump. i saw that saudi media was broadcasting this far and wide immediately, but again, you know, i'm sympathetic. it's a very, very hard choice that he had to make, and i think it was the right choice. >> the family of jamal khashoggi does not agree. what do you say to them today? >> i say, i'm sorry. i read -- i read his fiance's op-ed, which i thought was very powerful. but she made another point, which was, yes, i'm not happy about you going back on your campaign promise, but there are other people who are behind bars in saudi arabia who are being repressed for their -- voicing their opinions, including feminists, and you need to do something about that too. and i agree.

i think that -- i think the u.s. needs to keep putting pressure on saudi arabia and on mbs about that, and i think -- and i think we will. >> the president came out, he gave a statement. he faced reporters. the last guy would stand on his driveway and literally parrot mbs's talking points about what was a vicious and heinous murder of jamal khashoggi. do you think we sort of -- our memories are too short? i mean, obviously, president biden staring down mbs and laying out what our government believes, which is that he is directly responsible for khashoggi's murder, is an ocean away from donald trump's relationship and rapport, and frankly, jared kushner's with mbs. >> well, remember, it was the first foreign trip that he took as president. i mean, that's gob smackingly crazy, right? but you know, it makes sense when you think he's visiting his

customers, right? he saw himself as buying saudi oil, of the saudis buying american military equipment. he wanted to see his customers. he's like the landlord. so, you know, he was the person who doesn't even understand the meaning of human rights, would never bring it up, and by the way, that's why the saudis liked him. the saudis liked him because he appointed his son-in-law and his daughter to high white house position. that's what happens in saudi arabia. it's a monarchy. so, yes, i mean, there's no comparison, nicole, at all. >> let me play a little bit more of president biden today. >> what was the crown prince's response to your comments about khashoggi? >> he basically said that he -- he was not personally responsible for it. i indicated i thought he was. he said he was not personally responsible for it and he took action against those who were responsible, and we -- then i went on to talk more about how

that dealing with any opposition to the -- or criticism of the saudi administration in other countries was viewed as, to me, a violation of human rights. >> is america stronger or weaker -- go ahead, go ahead. >> no, that's -- i like that question. let's hear it. >> no, i was going to just ask you, does it strengthen our hand to go to someone like mbs and face-to-face say, i think you did it? you can deny it all you want. my cia tells me you did it. or does it weaken our hand giving the fist bump? can you give me your analysis of what it does to a leader like mbs? >> i believe that standing for human rights is something -- an obligation an american president has. that is who our values are. that's why we have difficulty around the world, because we bring up human rights in countries like russia and china don't. i think it strengthens our hand

when that happens. when a president is so candid about what he does. i think that's the difference between american leaders and often other leaders. we're transparent. i met with mbs in riyadh in 2015, and like all saudi meetings, it happened hours late, at midnight, and went on for hours and hours. and the point is, is that from a position of real politique, this is the man who's going to be the head of saudi arabia for the next half century. this is the world's largest oil producer. i mean, an american president has to acknowledge that in some way, and he's a bad actor. he's a walking contradiction, because in some ways, he's progressive, and in -- of course, in many ways, he's repressive. but it's something in america -- every american president for the next five decades will have to deal with him, so i think biden made that call, made that realization, but he also felt compelled to go out there and say, look, i talked to him

directly about this. and this was his response, and we'll move on from that. >> the president also said in that press conference afterwards that within a couple weeks, he thought there would be an impact on gas prices and fuel availability. talk about how that manifests itself in a meeting like this. >> well, you know, obviously, the saudis have to get something out of this too, and the saudis got the acknowledgement of biden that they're no longer pariahs and what we will get out of it, i hope, is increased oil production from saudi arabia and opec nations and, you know, prices going down at the pump. you know, from a very hard-headed political standpoint, president biden stands to lose more votes from high prices at the gas pump than from violating a campaign promise that he wasn't going to meet with mohammed bin salman. so, you know, that's just pretty hard-headed and i think people can understand that. >> rick stengel, we understand

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far-right pennsylvania gubernatorial nominee doug mastriano couldn't sink any lower than traveling to washington, d.c., to be there on january 6th, we learned something today that you should know about. mastriano's campaign paid a far-right white supremacist social media platform for campaign consulting. the news was first reported by the "huffington post." the recipient of the payment was gab, a platform used by the pittsburgh tree of life synagogue shooter. he murdered 11 people in the very state mastriaon is looking to lead. andrew, ceo and founder of gab gloated about the web traffic his site was receiving. "we have been getting one million hits an hour all day," he wrote via gab's twitter account. even as torba denied that gab condoned the violence, its users were celebrating the 11 dead

jews in pittsburgh. more recently, after a white supremacist gunman targeted black shoppers at a grocery store in buffalo, new york, killing ten of them, torba implored his gab followers to marry and reproduce with only white people. "the new york times" reported that torba said that he endorsed mr. mastriano as part of his efforts to build, "a coalition of christian nationalists at the local and state level to pioneer a grassroots movement of christians in pennsylvania to help take it back for the glory of god." we attempted to contact both gab and doug mastriano's campaign, which has a policy and practice of not responding to or speaking with journalists. "what i will say is that doug mastriano will be a great governor for pennsylvania. he has my wholehearted personal endorsement." joining us now, his opponent, pennsylvania's attorney general, the democratic nominee for governor, josh shapiro.

i -- i noted years ago, i kept saying the bottom is calling and wants to know if we're there yet, that there is no bottom, but this association with gab is particularly abhorrent. explain. >> yeah. it is. and i think you've noted the fact that there really doesn't feel like there's a bottom right now. you have also connected the dots time and time again, nicole, between extremism and those who are leading the modern day republican party and doug mastriano is exhibit a of that. let's break down what he's doing here in his campaign for pennsylvania governor. he paid thousands of dollars for anti-semitic, racist, alt-right extremists to be a part of his campaign for governor. he is the only politician in america, state or federal, paying for followers on this website, on gab, which is obviously known as a haven for white supremacists. these are the people that doug

mastriano is making part of his campaign for governor of pennsylvania. >> i mean, it speaks to a sickness in the republican party, but the fact that he won the nomination, the fact that it is so vibrant, is a problem that you would have to deal with if you prevailed. how do you deal with that? >> well, we do have a cancer in our politics today, particularly those leading the modern day republican party. what we need to do is defeat it. and the way we do that is to defeat them at the polls. that's why i'm working as hard as i am to beat doug mastriano. but i think what's important is to note the coalition that he is trying to build here. again, paying for these people to be part of his campaign, and for those who are not familiar with gab, understand how this works. it's much like facebook or twitter. he posts something, that's mastriano, and then because he is paying gab, all of these

white supremacists are sent to his post. so he'll post something, and then these are the kind of responses that the man running for governor as the republican nominee gets. i actually jotted some of these down. i want to read them to you. these are the words of doug mastriano's supporters on his own gab post. "jews are a cancer on society." that's what one of his supporters wrote. another wrote, "good people must fight evil jew filth." that's what one of his supporters wrote in response to doug mastriano and they also wrote, "it's time for jews to face the great replacement," obviously referencing a white nationalist conspiracy theory. those are just three of hundreds of posts. importantly, doug mastriano never contradicts that. he never speaks up and says, those anti-semitic or racist or alt-right extremist posts have no place in his campaign.

instead, he's embracing them. he's bringing them into his campaign. he's making them part of what he sees as a vision for the commonwealth of pennsylvania. he is dangerous. he is extreme. and he must be defeated. >> we spoke on july 5th, right after the fourth of july holiday, when he had out and proud three percenters at his fourth of july parade. i wonder why he continues to be so brazenly in the grip of something so unpopular with the mainstream, not just in america, but in pennsylvania. >> because this is who he is. and this is the way he propelled himself to victory in a contested primary, and this is who he believes makes up the core base of his campaign. understand that he is running to a website to seek supporters for

his campaign, that the tree of life killer used. the person who went into a synagogue in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, and murdered 11 people as they worshipped, before that killer went into that, he posted on gab, the same filth that doug mastriano and his supporters are posting on gab today. he posted that filth, that anti-semitic filth, and then went in and murdered those jews who were there worshipping. these are the people that doug mastriano, the republican nominee for governor, is surrounding himself with. this is who he believes is going to propel him to victory. nicole, this is very, very dangerous. he's the only politician in america doing it, and he's doing it here in pennsylvania. >> are you sure he's going to fail? are you sure that you can beat him, that you will beat him? >> nicole, i'm working my tail off. anybody who knows me knows that.

i was in beaver county just a bit ago. i was in western pennsylvania for the last couple days. i'm in southeastern pennsylvania this weekend. i'll be all over the commonwealth again next week, and what we are seeing are huge crowds, republicans, democrats, independents, showing up to hear us and join our campaign, because they recognize the danger of what's on the other side. nicole, i was in milford in northeastern pennsylvania, in a backyard of a neighbor who opened up their backyard to us for folks to hear about our campaign. and i looked out in the crowd. you know who was out there? former homeland security secretary michael, who served under george w. bush. he came to hear me speak. and afterwards, he and his wife came over to me and offered their support. >> wow. >> we are seeing our coalition build. republicans, democrats, and independents, in part, of course, because of my vision for the commonwealth of pennsylvania, creating opportunities, defending our

freedoms, but also in part because they recognize just how dangerous doug mastriano is. i am confident we will win this race. i'm also very mindful of the fact that here in pennsylvania, races are close, and so we cannot let up. we won't let up. and we need people to join our big broad coalition here. >> pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro, thank you very much for spending time with us today. we're really grateful. >> thank you, nicole. when we come back, heartbreaking images and reality now for the youngest victims of russia's war in ukraine. what can be done to help protect the children already traumatized by war? we'll explain after the break. the children already traumatized by war we'll explain after the break.

in ukraine, the death toll from that missile attack we told you about yesterday in vinnytsia stands at 23 people with more than 100 injured. among those killed, at least three children. that includes a 4-year-old girl who was seen just minutes before the attack, happily pushing her stroller around in the streets in an instagram video captured by her mom. her brutal and horrific death illustrates the tragic consequences for children amid the war, and russia's brutal attacks now increasingly targeting children. unicef reported that more than 260 children have been killed since the start of the war in february.

tragically, that number is higher now and nearly two out of every three children in ukraine have been displaced as a result of the war. let's bring into our conversation, msnbc public health analyst dr. irwin redlener, a professor of pediatrics. he is the cofounder of ukraine's children's action project, an initiative designed to provide urgent mental health and educational support for the displaced children in ukraine and some of them aren't in ukraine anymore. dr. redlener, tell us about what you're trying to do, and i know you're about to head back there. >> right. it's -- hi, nicole. it's been -- it will be our third trip over there, and we're going to be in ukraine and in lviv and also in the capital of kyiv. and what we're doing over there is trying to understand the consequences of this brutal attack on the civilians, really, of ukraine by russia. and part of it is the awful images that we're seeing of

these children who are being killed and injured. but part two is what's going to happen to the 5,300,000 children who have been displaced, either refugees out of the country or they've fled to the safer western parts of ukraine? been displaced either refugees out of their country or they fled to the safer western parts of ukraine because most of them are not going to school regularly and they are suffering some pretty severe psychological consequences from the trauma they have experienced so we are working with officials there. we are working with other international agencies and so on. we will try to bring as many resources as possible to make sure these children get the psychological help they need and they get back into school one way or another in september. >> something our nbc news correspondent who is in kyiv described yesterday, there are

two wars. there is fighting in the east and terrorist attacks all over the country that increasingly seem to target civilians. you have kids that are either living in an actual war zone or everyone in the rest of the country with the ever present fear of a terror attack and eight missile strike on a civilian target. how do you help a nation's entire child population? >> first of all, this war has to come to an end. this is absolutely insane and it is absolutely terrorism. i think the russians deliberately want to psychologically destabilize and undermine the will and morell of the ukrainian people and this is a long-term problem and it has to be brought to an end. the russians will have to be defeated or negotiate some sort of peace. otherwise the killing and the terror will continue.

in the meantime, the morell of ukraine's leadership, you know, average citizens and teachers and parents is actually amazing. they are getting through this in ways that would try a lot of our ability to be patient and they are facing quite a lot of danger and the long-term issues. like are saying, psychological terrorism and the lack of education really poses a long- term threat to ukraine. we need these get to grow up, to be educated, to be ready to be in the recovery of ukraine. that's coming soon, hopefully. they have to be ready. >> to learn more about the ukraine children's action project, dr. irwin, thank you for joining us . lease come back when you get back from your latest trip. we will be right back. be right.

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thank you so much for letting us into your homes for another week of shows. we are so grateful. the beat with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. happy friday. welcome to the beat, everyone. i'm ari melber. we have news coming out of the january 6th committee. it previews what will happen in the last scheduled meeting, prime time next thursday, this coming week. it will focus on something we know about but like so much else with this committee, it could give us more detail and