msnbc.com/mavericks. you can always connect with me @arimelber.com. tell us who else we should have on "mavericks" because i love hearing your ideas. i wish you a great weekend. "the reidout" with joy reid starts right now. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i sent along with three of my fellow chairs a preservation letter to the department of homeland security that has jurisdiction over the secret service days after january 6th telling them to preserve all the records, and if they haven't, we want to know why. >> the secret service saw everything involved trump and pence on january 6th and in the days leading up to it. now potentially critical text messages could be gone forever, so what happened? also tonight, a pariah no more.

president biden's very controversial meeting with the saudi crown prince accused of ordering the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. we begin tonight with new questions for the secret service from the january 6th committee. now of the many wild revelations surrounding the january 6th attack, three of them involve the united states secret service, so, first, there was the alleged altercation in an suv after the former president's speech that day recounted by former white house aide cassidy hutchinson. >> described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect i'm the f'ing president. take me up to the capitol now. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm and said, circumstances you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. >> there's also incident

involving former vice president mike pence. shortly after he was escorted out of the capitol by secret service to a waiting armored limo and reportedly worried they wouldn't let him stay to do his job, first revealed in the book "i alone can fix it." pence was telling the agent if i get in that vehicle you guys are taking off. i'm not getting in the car. committee member jamie raskin called those remarks the most chilling six words that i've seen so far. now there's a third bomb steal could be relevant to thing one and thing two. nbc news has learned that the secret service erased text messages from january 6th and the day before. the messages were erased after the department of homeland inspector general requested communications related to the insurrection. their spokesman -- the secret service denied the insinuation that the texts were maliciously deleted adding, quote, the secret service has been fully cooperating with the inspector general in every respect,

unquote. today all nine members of the january 6th committee were briefed by dhs inspector general who wrote to the house and senate homeland security committees about the wiped text messages earlier this week. committee chairman bennie thompson said the inspector general indicated that the secret service had not been fully cooperating with them. meanwhile, the question of what might be lost in those text messages is more interesting given the agents involved. the west to has reported that some of the secret service functioned as trump yemen noting that tony arnato temporarily left a secret service job to work as deputy white house chief of staff, an unprecedented political assignment. the same tony referenced by cassidy hutchinson. he and the other agent in the alleged suv incident, bobby engel, have previously spoken to the commit and while the secret service disputed some of the details of hutchinson's retelling the "new york times" reports that the committee

interviewed a washington, d.c. metro police officer who said trump's departure from the ellipse was delayed because of his anger over not being allowed to go to the capitol according to two people familiar with the testimony. now, the officer wasn't into the suv but heard communications regarding the altercation and corroborated that the incident occurred. nbc news has not independently confirmed the account. as for the deleted text messages committee member jamie raskin says the committee will get to the bottom of their disappearance. >> it's obviously an alarming thing to learn that there were secret service text messages from january 6th itself and also the day before that were deleted as part of a replacement program. we don't know what the facts are and we'll get to the facts about what happened and we'll do whatever we can to retrieve the substance of those texts. >> joining me now is olivia

troy, former head of homeland security and counterterrorism expert and hugo lowell of "the guardian." what do we know about the erasure of these text messages, just from the 5th and 6th because it sure does seem suspicious from it's just from those two days. >> i caught up with the chairman of the committee today, benny thompson, and he said they weren't quite sure whether it was just january 5 and january 6 that they don't have the texts from or whether it was other dates in january. what they do know though is that those texts were lost through a device replacement program. now what we don't know, again, is whether or not this was malicious or whether there was some sort of bad intent here to get rid of incriminating materials, but i learned today that the select committee met with the dhs inspector general, and they discussed whether there was any way to reconstruct the text messages based on the other text messages that they have using forensic tools available to the fbi and federal law enforcement. >> do we know like how the text

message sort of storage capacity works? if you lose or, you know, you update the software on your phone, that doesn't get rid of your text messages. your text messages are still there, in the cloud. somehow saved. you can retrieve them. is there any reporting, you know, on technologically, can they just not retrieve the actual text messages? >> so when the select committee spoke to the dhs inspector general today, what they learned was that the secret service is supposed to back up their text messages and their e-mails that are contained on those devices. it sounds like the secret service agents in question didn't do that, and i believe there is a requirement interminally for them to back these messages up and they didn't do that so what happens is when you migrate to a new device, those messages may or may not be carried through and at least a third of those secret service agents in question had already migrated to the new devices when the inspector general requested all of these communications, so i think there

are some elements of this which are -- which may have just been inadvertent or kind of like incompetence but it may also have been instances where it might have been more malicious. >> olivia, this is a problem. these are -- these are presidential level records. we know that the secret service was communicating with trump about whether or not he was going to go to the capitol. they have confirmed that. that's part of the testimony we've seen on january 6th, and that there was an upset on trump's part he wasn't going to go to the capitol to do this unplanned, now we know very much planned march to the capitol with now we know the armed insurrectionists. can you take us behind the scenes a little bit about these relationships because it does seem like arnado or engel had a maga-like relationship to trump. >> it's certainly unusual to see a secret service person serving in such a political role in the white house, and i will tell you

that we're all familiar with where arnato's total loyalties are. you don't get a position like unless you're 100% loyal to donald trump. that's a reality. everybody in the white house knew that. that's a very interesting scenario here we're developing. by the way, we're still waiting for tony arnato. some of these accounts have been disputed but i've yet to see him speak publicly about this or under oath about this and tell his version of the story that he has apparently been telling people, and he also has a history apparently retracting the stories he tells people as we've seen. one thing i'll add on the technical thing just to point out. i served as a lead person for a technical migration for the u.s. government, and there's one thing i can tell you, that maybe it's different at the secret service, but at the department of defense and the intelligence community organizations which are the project that i led, we took great care not to lose

data, to maintain the data, and it was very much made clear that we would plan very far ahead for any kind of migration like that to make sure that information wasn't lost, so i just find then tire thing baffling. i hope we get to the facts of it because i don't know how you delete or somehow migrate phones with information on them when you know that january 6th and the lead up to it was part of the biggest, darkest day of our country and a monumental event knowing that there's an investigation likely to come regardless of the january 6th select committee. there would be accountability, an attempt to figure out what happened. was it a security failure? i mean, all of these things would happen, and you would want to maintain those records which is why i find is very suspect. >> it is very suspects, and this is a question, hugo, that they are reporting often the secret service is responsible for the physical movements of the president. the physical movements of the president are the subject of not

just january 6th committee hearings but also what appears to be a growing and much more active department of justice investigation. what he was physically doing actually matters potentially to legal cases so is there any reporting on who could have authorized and allowed secret service to operate in a way that they were not backing up? is there any -- were they being held responsible for making sure that they had their communications, because, boy, is it convenient that we now cannot find out who might have been communicating in the secret service world when might pence was saying i'm not getting in the car with you guys and when donald trump was saying take me to the capitol. >> and that's precisely what the select committee has been saying all day behind closed doors and amongst themselves. i mean, they have really pinpointed the fact that why is it that of all of the days that you could lose messages, why is it january 5 and january 6, two of the most perhaps key dates in the entire timeline leading up to that that you managed to

lose. if you think for a minute kinds of messages and things that were going on in the white house during those two days, january 5, the secret service would like to have been finalizing plans and the security movements of the president and the vice president ahead of january 6th, and then if you actually fast forward to january 6th itself. >> i mean, we both have the -- the -- the communications between the agents on trump's security details, you know, trying to prevent him from going to the capitol and then the communications of the vice president's security detail. will they take him away from the capitol complex and was there any communication of the vice president's detail. these are key questions and really strike at heart of what january 6 is all about and the fact that these messages no longer seem to exist is very troubling. >> that's precisely the point. dig into this a little bit more. tony arnato is working now in a

pretty senior position on trump tease staff at that point. when the vice president express a lack of trust, certainly what it sounds like, is that what it sounds like you to, a lack of confidence in the secret service agents who were trying to put him in that car, that is a problem national security-wise, but it also sounds like he might have understood that the secret service had potentially a political agenda. >> yes. i worked very closely with the secret service detail with mike pence. they are incredible law enforcement officers, but i will say this. one thing that i found incredibly chilling when i salt at the january 6th hearing when gray jacobs testified which was a general vise counsel to the president when they talked about that moment and they brought it up. he did say that mike pence's response to the secret service agents was, yes, but you're not the one driving the car, and i found that detail striking to me because that's saying something right there, right? that means that he's like it's

not that i don't trust you who has been with me this entire journey during this assignment, but it's more the fact that i -- i don't trust that the person driving the car is not going to drive off to wherever it is, and that goes to a story, you know, that's been told and record by "the washington post" where general kellogg actually went and supposedly spoke to tony arnato and said we're not going to move him. i know you guys. i know what you're capable of. why would he say that to tony arnat ork the secret service person? what would make him say that? i know general kellogg well. he was actually my direct boss as a nicer and i know he's very honest. he may not be honest publicly but behind the scenes he called things out and tony arnato apparently when asked about the story denied it or through his spokesperson said, you know, it was not accurate or denied it. i find it very curious that there's a certain behavior pattern that we've seen, and i

think it's incredibly important, especially for the moment we're in for our country for people to come forward and tell the truth, especially the secret service. >> absolutely. i mean, absolutely they should, and it will be interesting to see if perhaps any of them are recalled. hulingo, you've been talking behind the scenes with members of the january 6th committee. very quickly, briefly, could we be seeing perhaps tony orlando recalled because i know they have given testimony before? >> i think the committee is very keen on this and from what i understand from the secret service is getting both tony arnato and bobby engel who was trump's agent that day to come in and testify. the committee chairman didn't say exactly who, but they seem to be looking at a group of around five to ten potentially secret service agents that they want to talk to both about the devices and the loss of the communications, but as well as kind of what they saw on january 5 and january 6th and more details about cassidy

hutchinson's testimony. >> one wonders whether the department of justice might have an interest in discovering why this unusual deletion of data that essentially belongs to the american people occurred. we will see. olivia troy and hugo lowell, thanks very much. up next on "the reidout," president biden said he confront the saudi crown prince about the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. journalists did, too. how he responded when "the reidout" continues. s did, too how he responded when "the reidout" continues

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today, president biden arrived in saudi arabia and greeted crowned prince mohammed bin salman also known as mbs with a fist bump and the meeting was scrutinized to see whether the president would bring up the ordering of the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. nbc's peter alexander managed to directly shout out to the crown prince before his meeting with biden. >> jamal khashoggi, will you apologize to his family, sir? >> thank you. thank you, guys. >> there's no response to the question. president biden later said he confronted the crown prince about khashoggi's murder. >> what was the crown prince's response to your comments about khashoggi? >> he basically said that he was not personally responsible to it. i indicated that i thought that he was. he said he was not personally responsible for it and he took

action against those who were responsible. >> he also shared that he had no regrets saying the kingdom should be made a pariah because of the brutal slaying of "the washington post" journalist while in turkey. >> i don't regret anything that i said. what happened to khashoggi was outrangeous. >> joining me now is a foreign policy analyst. i want to start with this fist bump thing. we were just talking about it before we came on. there was a sense that president biden didn't want a handshake photo with mbs but instead he did this which i'm not sure conveyed the message he wanted to convey. what do you make of it? >> well, joy, last month the crown prince went to turkey and he wasn't -- his press released a photograph of him boeing.

he's been seeking legitimacy against a genocidal war in ukraine to grant him legitimacy and protection to his rule, but with above all he wants immunity. he wants legal immunity, wants president biden never to criticize him. he wants to continue bank rolling kushner and donald trump. he wants to continue interfering in america's election with total impunity. >> that kind of does lead, that he's investing suddenly money in the former president's son and in steve mnuchin giving them $3 billion total between mnuchin and jarred kushner. he's got this golf tournament thing that he's investing all of this money in which is sort of competing, you know, with the american-based golf league. it's as if he's trying to buy his way into being something other than viewed as the north korean dictator is, but my question is why is the west playing ball because obviously

the president went there and had these meetings because of the crisis of oil prices which they would like very much for saudi arabia to solve. after us, they are the next -- they are in the top three producers of oil. what do you make of this need to try to get saudi arabia to produce more oil versus the moral imperative of being honest about what they are? >> well, we know who saudi arabia is. the president himself multiple times was elected the president because unlike donald trump everybody in the united states wanted an america that is rule-based international order, that is more about international legality, about morality, about freedom of the press, and then, you know, we have a moment in this time where we have putin who has huge leverage and who is squeezing people left and right

because of the economy and not only that he doesn't care if he's burning fields with grain. he doesn't care if people really suffer, but president biden actually cares. he needs to get re-elected. he needs democrats to be reaffirmed in the mid--term so this is the compromise we find ourselves in interest versus democracy. we always choose interests sadly so when people like joe manchin, they want to dismiss the issue of climate change. this is where it comes all together. this is where it's all alive. once you dismiss, that you're not only dismissing the issue of climate change and alternative energy sources, you're dismissing democracy itself, and a today we've seen this clearly. we've seen this clearly. today was a sad day for journalists, was a sad day for democracy. was a sad day for democrats and above all was a sad day for all of us, joy, who believe that somehow a progressive president,

yes, can still keep and protect america's interests, but he doesn't have to sell somehow america's values. today was a divorce from that promise. >> and the challenges -- this is what president biden said about gas prize. there's been a real change. gas prices are coming down every single day. peter alexander of nbc asked when will we see the impact of the visit? maybe not for a couple of weeks but we'll see it. there was an imperative in this trip to say i'm here to bring your gas prize down and it feels like that's the politics that biden is stuck with. >> that's what mbs was telling him from day one. mbs gave multiple interviews to the american media. he said president biden needs to think about his interests. why did he give kushner and trump all of this lavishing them with money, not trying to influence the election or bank roll the next presidency he's sending a signal to everybody. this is how you deal with saudi

arabia. you shut up about humans rights, democracy and dignity. you basically deal with us in terms of transaction. this is -- we know what mbs is. >> yeah. >> when he was a teenager. he used to send bullets to judges to intimidate them. today he's using oil and gas. he's use corruption. he's using money, and above all he's using our -- this moment of crisis because of ukraine to blackmail democracy and he's succeeding so far. >> unfortunately. it appears you are correct. thank you very much, my friend. >> thanks. up nokes, i spoke with malcolm nance, another good friend and friend of the show who just returned from fighting in ukraine about the threat to democracy that's posed by domestic extremist groups here in the u.s. stay with us for that. y domestic extremist groups here i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance in the u.s stay with us for that.

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threaten and agitate for the largest armed rebellion since the civil war. then they will attempt to return to power. the urge to return to a place of normalcy, to forget about trump and his followers, though emotionally understandable, is the worst possible response that we can have to potential future dangers. joining me now is malcolm nance, author of "they want to kill americans, the militias, terrorists and deranged ideology of the trump jensy." malcolm, my friend, welcome back to the united states. i'm going to get to that in a minutech i feel like i'm burying the lead because i know you just came back from ukraine, but i want to get back to this book first. you're a little nostradamus with the things that you write, because one of the things that we've seen in these hearings is that groups like the proud boys, the 3 percenters and the oath keepers, kelly meggs actually sent out an email or facebook

post saying, hey, we're coming together. that's what you predicted in your book. talk a little bit about that. >> it's not so much a prediction anymore. as you recall on november 6th, 2020, i was on "realtime" with ball mahar and when everyone was on the show preaching kumbaya and come together and understand the trump voters and i say i have some bad news and they are going into jents. jensy is not an insurrection, that's just one action that takes place during an insurgency. an insurgency is a broad campaign that may involve political actions and resistance, moving the debates from the halls of power to political violence and terrorism and destabilization. that's what an insurgency is and i labeled that is the trump insurgency in the united

states. it's well under way, and one of those s read a little earlier, the one about normalcy, that was actually written before -- before january 6th as part of the -- you know, as part of the documentation that we had in the book, that there was this urge to return to normalcy after november 2020, and we saw where that got us. 62 days after i made that prediction on bill maher, the united states government had an attempt to overthrow it, but all of those players were talking to each other, were communicating publicly in these forums, and i had -- what the january 6th committee has just recently released, i had written in this book a year ago, but this insurgency has very long legs. we've only seen the start of it. >> you know, what's interesting is you've seen the far right pivot from mainly anti-black sentiment and naziist sentiment and the kinds of things we saw

in charlottesville to a real figure as on trans people in particular and lbgtq people so i stopped calling it conservative or far right. it's sort of anti-modernistic extremism. it's everything about the modern world that they hate whether, you know, it's racial progress or progress for, you know, queer folks. how does this all fit together in one ideological movement? what is it that they ultimately want the country to look like whether it's a white ethnostate or whatever it is they want? >> it's to return america to an alternate variant of what they think america, is and i'm paraphrasing toms ricks who said there's an entire class of older and middle class white people like him who would rather see america destroyed than to have it redefined through equality or diversity, for sharing, which is

absolutely ludicrous. >> i could talk to you about this all day, but i could have to talk to you about your experience in ukraine. you went there to support the fighting forces in the most direct way, my friend. what did you learn about the capabilities of the ukranians and the possibility that they can ultimately defeat putin's illegal war and occupation? >> well, interestingly enough i will be going back in about ten days, you know, to fill my duty working as part of the legion battalion, but what i learned on the ground is exactly what i had predict on air on this very channel, that -- that i know z plus three. that's 72 hours after the beginning of the invasion. i was on with chris jansing, and she said, well, what do you think is going to happen in the city of kyiv? i said nothing is going to happen to the city of kyiv. they will never take that city. they don't even have the resources to take that part of

the country. the ukranian army had let major forces run out extremely long fuel supplies and logistics trades and they slaughtered them, slaughtered them, and then when the tanks were running out of fuel they have what they call a javelin fest where they bring out a javelin missile and destroy every tank. what i learned is what i learned before the war is that these people, if invaded, and they were insaided, were just going to go full cossack on the russians. the russians are afraid of the ukranian soldier. that's one thing that i've learned. some of them units don't have as much discipline as the main force army, but the main force army is a nato-level lethal force which is why russians shifted to these tactics away from the maneuvers where they get out wiped out quickly to marching artillery through and

destroying utterly every town, village field and thin incrementally bring up tanks. >> yeah. >> and they are trying to trip the ukranian forces. they are not going to win. the ukranians are going to win. i'm going back to help them one and i'll see you on victory over russia day. >> please be sure to stay in touch. thanks for being here and best of luck with the book. >> my pleasure. >> malcolm nance, everybody. up next, republican congressman jim jordan is not sorry he doubted reports of a 10-year-old girl's, 10-year-old rape girl's struggle toned her pregnancy, and joe manchin throws up yet another roadblock to the biden agenda because that is what he does. more coming up. stay with us. e that is what he does. more coming up

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it was disgusting that prominent republicans, the attorney general in ohio, a member of congress from ohio, that they -- they mockingly said that are about that girl that was raped didn't exist. they have not apologized. they should apologize to the family and they should apologize to the public that they mocked even the existence of this 10-year-old girl who was raped, and then they should also say to the citizens of ohio that -- that we've got to protect her rights. >> that was the senior senator from ohio sherrod brown hammering his state's attorney

general and a number of his congressional colleagues for dismissing the existence of a 10-year-old ohio girl who was forced to travel to indiana for an abortion after being repeatedly raped by a 27-year-old man. before news that her abuser was arrested ohio republicans questioned the voracity of the story, and by default of the existence of the girl. the state attorney general said there was not a damn scintilla of evidencech the republican chairman of hamilton county called it a garbage lie and ohio congressman jim jordan tweeted that it was just another live. today, none of these people have offered an apology. jim jordan deleted the tweet like it never happened because here's thing about jim jordan. he's real good at ignoring abuse. jordan has been accused by at least five men of turning a blind eye to the sexual abuse of possibly more than 1,000 athletes and students when he was the assistant wrestling coach at ohio state.

when those men spoke out, he did what jim jordan always does best, which is attack them. joining me now elie mustal and david corn, washington bureau chief of "mother jones" and author of american psychosis," and given that title i'm going to go to you first, david corn. these guys went all in calling this a lyrics calling out president biden calling this a lie. jim jordan is particularly egregious and you would fact that george clooney is ep ying a movie about what happened at ohio state that he would be a little more sensitive about these ideas of rape and molestation of children, but, nope, he went in. your thoughts? >> i can tell you're very surprised by, that. and it's an honor to be here and to flash the cover of the book for the first time. i just got the copy of the

cover. >> congrats. >> and what we're seeing with the republican party is as craze as we thought it was, it's getting even crazier after january 6th, and they used to talk about abortion bans, right, but with exceptions. now they don't want exceptions, and now they even want to deny what happens as a consequence of these bans. i mean, this is about theocracy, theology. it's about controlling women. it's a war on women. it's a war on sex, and i think that this is how they see it. in a war there are casualties, and a casualty may be a 10-year-old girl who has to be forced to give birth. they are not relenting here. they are not saying, oh, we need to rethink that these incidents really happen. they want to deny these incidents because they take away part of the moral foundation for these laws that they enthusiastically support, so they can't allow them to be such cased, and they -- they do want in a soviet way photo chop them

out of the picture, and it's just a sign of how far extreme they have gone over a long journey of 70 years now or so. >> and the thing about it, it wasn't each just ohio politicians, you know. it was not just the "the new york post" that raised questions about this, it was "the wall street journal" which had to issue a correction. whoops, it's like the murdochy "wall street journal." what you have now is the party of eric greatens who is alledged to have tied a woman up in her basement and herschel walker who is alleged to have threatened two of his ex-wives and there's this indiana lawyer who represents the doctor who actually helped this young child has now issued a cease and desist letter to the attorney

general saying, please cease and desist from making false and misleading statements by dr. bernard in her profession which constitutes a defamation. moreover, any statement you make exceeds your scope of authority as indiana attorney general. elie, i'm going to you on this. it's at a point now where this doctor is now having to potentially file a defamation suit against the attorney general in her state. >> this is the dystopia that republicans want. one of the key lies in the dobbs v. jackson women's health decision was alleged attempted rapist brett kavanaugh's contention that the case would remove the supreme court from the abortion issue and debate. it will not. we will see these kinds of things, these kinds of actions, these kinds of lawsuits, this kind of suffering all across the

country because the supreme court ripped a constitutional right untimely right out from under the rest us. this will type of thing will continue to happen. you brought up turning and the ghoulish amplification of these lies, but i don't want to let other organizations like the "new york times" off the hook which says things like debate rages about 10-year-old rape. no, there is no debate. there are ghouls who are doing this to women, girls and pregnant people, and there are people who are trying to stop them, and as long as the media keeps trying to play both sides, keeps trying to normalize this distone yeah, it will be wrong. what we need to do is to understand what's happening because if you remember how we got to the point where we had a right to an abortion to the first place, it was because women and girls and pregnant people told their stories and told of the horrors, and, unfortunately, we're going to need that again so that people

understand what's at stake. >> and the other thing about it -- thank you for speaking about that clearly. david, the other thing that are also -- i think republicans, they want the win but they don't want the consequences, because then -- >> yeah. >> they don't want to admit -- they didn't want to but then they turn around and admit that they do. here is a bunch of them saying, the other ten year old should have to do it. >> the state of south dakota, going forward, for a ten year old in that very same situation to have a baby? >> in south dakota, the law today is that abortions our legal, except to save the life of the mother -- >> and you would be okay -- >> there's a lot of effort, particularly washington and other places, mainly by the democrats, to try to talk only about the really small, minor number of exceptions that may exist. >> let's say someone who was raped, you don't know you were raped for two months? >> and this is after an

anti-abortion activist literally lied to congress saying, oh, no, a ten year old having an abortion wouldn't be an abortion. yes, it is. which is it? they want to deny what they are doing is to force ten-year-olds to give birth and then they actually admit, okay, yeah, that's a lie. >> well, that's right. they are fanatical. they are fanatics about this. it's hard not to go to the cliché of this being gilead from the handmaid's tale. they want to force -- how about a nine year old? how low will they go? i mean, biologically -- >> david, this girl was nine when she was raped. she was nine! she only -- now. >> look how far they are going to go. they are politicians, most of them. and they know that, what, 60, 70, 80% of the public, depending on how you ask, it supports the roe decision, and support the [inaudible] right to an abortion. and most of them -- i think, 80% --

supported not overturning roe and not having a total ban. so, it's a tremendous minority position. you see polls turning to the ward the midterm elections probably as a result of this. so, they want to have their theology, they are theocracy imposed on the rest of us and they don't want to have to pay political price. they started, really, 50 years ago, as soon as roe happened with denies rise of the new right, they started this campaign. they never really thought they would catch the dog. >> but they got it. >> [inaudible] -- they realize that they can't do it and still -- fans of democracy. because as a democratic principle, the country does not support this. >> yeah. >> [inaudible] authoritarian. >> very quickly, elie, the house did vote to restore abortion rights in the bill they passed today. but that goes nowhere in the senate. even if they passed, it wouldn't the supreme court just overturned that?

>> yeah, the same people who just ripped out a 50 year old precedent will also, i believe, destroy any kind of codification of role, as long as we let conservatives control the supreme court, the rights and responsibilities of american citizens will be at the beck and call of the conservative christian fundamentalist movement as opposed to secular democracy. >> unfortunately, sad but true. don't go anywhere because we are going to turn to swing around. here's what we call a hard turn. after the break, elie and david are going to play my favorite game, who won the week? and that's next. it game, who won the week and that's next.

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and maybe even beyond, the weekend is finally here, which means it is time to play my favorite tv game -- yes, who won the week? back with me, elie mystal and david corn. elie mystal who won the week? >> black women testifying before the senate! we had senate hearings about roe v. wade, -- michelle goodwin. these people took it to the senators, they were out here like, -- ♪ ♪ ♪ they were just killing them softly the whole time. it was great, it was enlivening, listening to black women, they know what they are talking about. >> and they were so patient. as people, like -- can the camera go through the stomach, through the uterus?

no, senator, that's not possible. david corn, can you tell us, in your view, who won the week? >> i promise i won't saying and it's hard to get good news these days. i'm going with stephen airs, the trump fanatic who was arrested on january 6th. he believed the big lie and he testified this week, very moving testimony that he now sees that he was kind. he had no research, he took off the blinders, and saw that trump was lined him and everyone else and he regrets to having listened to donald trump. what's great about this is, it shows a maga extremist kim d. program himself and for himself from the trump cult. >> he did say he did not believe it as much. -- i'm going to give it to you, it's good to see him make a turn. but it may not have been a full turn. it could've been a three quarter turn. i will give you my, who won the week? my who won the week?, is in a galaxy far, far away. we are going to put it up, it's

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