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>> that's all for this edition of "dateline. " i'm craig melvin. thanks for watching. welcome to the show. i'm zerlina maxwell. coming up, the work around, the loopholes, the latest creative efforts to undo what the supreme court date on june 24th. we will tell you how some pro-choice activists are thinking outside of the box to give women and people who can get pregnant in states where abortion is banned new access. as a mental health crisis in america mushrooms to epidemic proportions, there is finally a new tool in the effort to prevent suicide.
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three numbers that health experts hope everyone remembers. we begin today's show with a disturbing accusation against the very people who actually charged with protecting our cop leaders. the secret service is accused of leading text messages from january 5th and sixth after they were asked to turn them over to the government inspector general. they sent a letter to both the house and homeland security committees this week to sound the alarm. he says that after his office requested full electronic records for an evaluation of the capitol attack, the secret service permanently erased a significant number of text messages from that exact time period. nbc obtained this copy of the letter. a spokesperson for the secret service denies that any messages were maliciously a raised. in a statement he wrote in january 2021 before any's inspection was opened on the subject, the secret service began to reset its mobile
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phones to factory settings as part of a planned system migration. the process seems lead to data loss. he went on to say, in fact, the secret service has been fully cooperative with dhs investigators on all matters. this story is very much still developing. joining me right now is andrew weissmann. he is the former fbi general counsel. he is best known for his most recent probe into russian election interference. andrew, as a former prosecutor, when you hear that text messages from january 5th and sixth 2021 have been deleted somehow, it is not just perk your ears up? >> absolutely. you have to also consider that in the light that we have also heard that the white house has conveniently had a gap in its full logs. it just so happens that the cap
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is for either january 5th or january six. we are know that those dates have meanings. particularly in light of what cassidy hutchinson testified to about what she heard had been happening with the secret service. they took donald trump from the ellipse. i don't think it is worth everyone taking a deep breath. this is something where it should be possible for the department of justice, if they're interested, to get to the bottom of it. the secret service is saying that this was routine. they say that this was not down in response to anything. it was just a routine upgrade. if that is true, there should be a backup for everything. they should be able to produce everything. >> i think this is one where we do have to take a little bit of a pause and see what the facts actually play out as. if it turns out that they can
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not produce all of the text messages and emails for those two dates, i think you are right. -- we are talking about who is responsible. >> one of the things we have been talking about through the january 6th hearings is, you know, what is the doj doing? we were watching the committee and congress go methodically through their presentation. we don't really have any insights into what the department of justice is doing. other than isolated reports about certain rates and subpoenas. you have a career as a prosecutor going after these big organizations. you went into the mueller probe conspiracy case. you recently wrote that it is the wrong approach for investigating the january six insurrection. that approach to seize the attack on the capitol as a single event, and isolated riot separated from other efforts by
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donald trump and his allies in order to overturn the election. you started talking about the breaking news with this secret service. each individual report goes to the fact that the january six riot, as we understand it, it looks very different in light of each new piece of information. maybe it should be investigated that way. information. maybe it should be>> absolutely. excuse me. that is what my op-ed was about. these things can't be investigated in isolation. it is not like the department is doing nothing. it is focusing on the hundreds of people who were attacking the capitol on that day. look at that in isolation of all the other things that we have learned from the january six committee hearings. that is what was going on with the president interfering with the department of justice, interfering in georgia with fake electors. there are so many different
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aspects. those are not isolated from one another. look at it from the perspective of what donald trump was trying to accomplish. it is all part of a plan. it needs to be investigated that way. that is how things are investigated if you are looking at and ron, the mob, or what we're doing with the special counsel. i do think that this is an area where we do expect and should expect to see more action by the department of justice looking at this holistically rather than as isolated events. the other thing that you mention in your piece is the fact that in your previous investigations it was not as if you were not going to go after the top people in these organizations just because that might have been, quote unquote, more difficult or controversial. you did work bottom up. you made sure to get to the top. one of the frequent lines in
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this particular moment the people are putting forward, well, the doj might want to avoid looking like they are being persuaded by the politics of this particular moment. speak to why it is incredibly important for them to very seriously go all the way up the line to donald trump given what the committee has laid out so far. >> i could not agree more that it is important. the normal criticism of investigating a former president is that we will look like a banana republic. we will be politicizing the department of justice. i actually think that when you have factual predication for a serious criminal case, we look political -- for not investigating that conduct. if you have a former president doing the unthinkable, which is
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trying to undermine a democratic election for the president, he offered condoned not just violence, but violence that could be up to and including people calling for hanging the vice president of the united states, the idea that that would not engender an investigation and a serious one undertaking with complete fairness, i think that turns into a banana republic. i think that that is one where it does take great fortitude. there is no question it this is a singular moment for the attorney general of the united states. sometimes the times call on you to do your job and doula can be very difficult. when you know that you are doing the right thing, that is usually the way to respond to people who will criticize you for being political. >> that is a really important
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point to end on. andrew weizmann, thank you so much for being here and starting us off. please stay safe. coming up, but latest russian strike on ukraine toiletries 23 people and left 100 people wounded. we will cover the latest on the ongoing crisis there. that is coming up next. going crisis there that is coming up next ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ timber... [ sighs heavily ] when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you've built with affordable coverage. trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,...
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is how ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy is describing the scene in his country after missiles attack that it deep into civilian territory. police say among the dead are children younger than ten years old. ukrainian officials say at least 23 people were killed when cruise missiles from a russian ship in the black sea damaged a medical clinic, offices, stores and residential buildings and essentially ukrainian city. that is about 160 miles south of kyiv and far from the wars front line in eastern ukraine. more than 100 people were reportedly hurt in the strike, even as russia continues to deny targeting civilians. and yet again and again in recent weeks, putin's military has hit residential areas and you cannot confuse a medical clinic with something else. joining me now is -- of renewed democracy initiative and help us understand the latest on the ground. there have been a lot of very important developments lately
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in this war. take us through it. >> yes first, i want to say you know seeing the clips, the images, the videos of the dead from these attacks that are so far away from the front lines, are so incredibly difficult for me to see that. it is utterly you know heartbreaking but it's also important for us to be thinking about this in the broader image. and the fact of the matter is you know that on the one hand, we have to recognize that the war effort in the east right, which is what is enabled russia to do the strikes is struggling somewhat. russia does have a roughly 10 to 1 artillery advantage. but i would kind of caution viewers that we should expect some of this tough news to continue through july. but i do think there's also good news here because we are starting to see the impact of western weapons in this region. where a high mars in the east are blowing up russian arms depots and planning h cues. high precision missiles and
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this in turn leads to a significant decrease in russia's ability to strike ukrainian towns. they have to retreat further off right? they don't have their supplies, right by the front lines because if they keep them there, all weapons allow ukraine to essentially strike them. somewhat i think we should be expecting is that come august, ukraine will be able to continue to limit russian advances and sort of most importantly of all, be able to start making counteroffensives of their own. >> what is the status of the fighting in the eastern part of the country, the donbas region that we discussed so often here on the show. what are the gains that have been made by russia there in the last month since the fighting became so bloody there? >> so you know russia has been making gains and they made gains and say -- and so forth and their strategy basically is to try to become king of the ruins. they basically shelled the cities into oblivion. killed thousands and then they tried to take control of what
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is left. basically, they use artillery to flatten whatever is there and then they send in the infantry in the tanks afterwards to take control. obviously, that leads to an incredible number of casualties but their advances given what they've invested have actually been very slow. normally, i think we would be expecting and advances that are much more quick, much more efficient. and their slowness i think speaks to ukrainian resolve and fighting back. i should also note though that i actually have not been seeing a lot of videos updating us to the status of the conflict and that battlefield. i think it's incredibly important to keep what is happening there top of mind and offer these types of regular battlefield updates. nature abhors a vacuum. the last that i will make, here i personally remember there's a 15 minute video or so from an austrian colonel. and basically his argument was not always lost right? the accordion sent almost no chance and again, i can personally say that that video
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cost us about $2 million in donations. people who are going to support some of these efforts said, well what is the point right? the war will be lost and so, why bother investing money in it. that is why they're counting these conversations are so important to show people what is happening on the battlefield. and what that path to victory is. if there's any viewers are interested in being a part of that fight. out encouraged him to reach out to us at info at rgi dot org. there is a lot i think that we can do here. >> i know a lot of people i don't want to try to help in any way that they possibly can. one of the other things that is very concerning that i've been reading about, the donbas region. also russia's attempts to literally displaced ukrainians. and as you said, they have just been pounding this area with bombs. they are also taking people away. and also forcing them to flee. take us through what it means when we read that russia is
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trying to literally displaced ukrainians and get them to swear loyalty to russia in this area and annex this area. >> you know, russia's been saying that they want to de-nazify ukraine for months. what denazification actually means is to de-ukraine ukraine. what they want to do, which is just by the way complete were crime. i'll tell the illegal within the international law is to not only just kill massive amounts of civilians but then as you pointed out, one forcefully displaced him within ukraine but, to this sort of truly, kidnap hundreds of thousands of ukrainians and take them into russia. it's not just about getting these ukrainians to swear allegiance to russia within the occupied, those parts of ukraine that if occupied. it's about bringing them and take uninterrupted into the far flung regions of russia. and i have to say the most tragic part of that is that
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among these people, are a little bit over 200,000 children. young ukrainian children who are being taken away, we have no record of wet families there from, who their parents are. they are being placed with russian families, orphanages and so forth. and an effort to de-populate to ukrainian parts of these regions. and again tried to really russian eyes them. this is something rachel's done before, in fact they did it years ago in crimea. when they said crimea is super russian, while the reason there are some of the ethnic russians and crimea is because they had this place the ethnic tarps. this is just a regular russian strategy that putin has been implementing here, something that we really need to be thinking about. talking about, it emphasizing because, again i just cannot imagine if you are a young child being forced out of your home into a complete strangers land, where you don't know anybody and you are all alone and there will be really difficult after the war to try and repatriate them.
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>> so concerning to hear about the displacement that was something that i was reading a lot about this weekend. i'm glad you're able to be here with us today to help us understand it. it's a dire situation, but important not to take your eyes off of what is happening on the ground earlier. thank you so much for being here today and for helping us understand it. please stay safe. coming up, an ongoing crisis in ukraine that we just discussed is affecting britney griner. the wnba star who appeared back in a moscow court this week, faces further delays in her trial and we will update you up next. will update you u ♪♪ is this where your grandparents cut a rug, next
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guilty and the first place? >> 99% of all criminal prosecutions in russia resulted in convictions. it's not a democracy it's an autocracy. the judges report to vladimir putin, they don't uphold the russian constitution. the wise course of action here is to know that you will get convicted. and play for a reduced sentence. show that you are cooperating, i'm sure that's what her attorneys advised. that is what they're hoping to achieve. she could be convicted, but just bringing into vape cartridges, she could get ten years of hard labor in russia for this crime. >> as we've been discussing you know, this is all happening as there is an active hot war going on between russia and ukraine after the invasion. and as you said, this is not a democracy. and cannabis is illegal so the doctors note, that is not helpful right? the severe pain, using it for
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severe pain and having a prescription, that is not helpful in this particular context? >> right, they're trying to present a sympathetic case for her. character witnesses, showing that in the united states, it's illegal and arizona, this has been legal since 2010. these are just cartridges for medical use. i use cannabis vape cartridges, i have a medical marijuana card from the state of maryland. these are very useful for the relief of pain which is what she says she uses them for, totally plausible case. they are very small, very small so it's easy to see where she cahaba accidentally pack them, not intending to smuggle them into russia. it has resulted in a tragic, 150-day detention so far. >> look everybody has been at the airport, they have to tell you that throughout your water bottle, your shampoo bottle that you forgot you had packed in your luggage. we totally can understand how
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you can forget a small vape cartridges. but that defensive also brought in teammates from the russian team that she played for. do you think that could be a good strategy? that seems a little bit different and even the medical notes or letters from allies here in the united states. >> right, trying to show that she is not anti russian. she has friends in russia, she has sports colleagues and russia so that she is sympathetic to russia. and again hoping that there will be some mercy shown by the court. i'm afraid however this is highly unlikely, at this point it's not about her character or her defense. it's about vladimir putin. britney griner is a chip in putin's game at this point. he wants something much bigger than justice. >> so one of the really kind of weird things about this particular story is where it could go from here. i want you to sort of lay out the likely scenarios, as they play out from here. one of the ones that i did read
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about is a present or swap for victor bout. who is nicknamed the merchant of death. and why know was loosely based on the nicholas cage character and that movie, lord of war. take us through these scenarios now this particular merchant of death character factors in. >> right, nicholas cage's movie, the lord of war was based on this character. victor boot, former soviet military officer. he became a weapon smuggler, made a fortune off of this. likely with the knowledge, perhaps even the assistance of the russian government. i wouldn't be surprised if there was some kickbacks that putin directly. from this profitable business that he was in. he was snared in a sting operation in 2008. seized in thailand, extradited to the united states and in 2011, he was convicted and got a 25 year sentence. he is not good to get out a
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federal prison until the end of this decade. it is known that russia wants him out. that is what this is probably all about. brittani greener, britney griner's attorney says he has been discussing this with the russians. they are definitely interested in a prisoner exchange for victor boot. it is the president of the united states will be highly unlikely to make that to make an exchange for unknown weapons smuggler. somebody who was convicted of smuggling arms, to terrorist groups. groups are out to kill americans. it will be extremely difficult. however, it may be that you can put a bundle together. there are other prisoners held in russia for example, paul whelan, a former marine convicted of espionage in 2018. and there might be some kind of exchange there. that is what we will be looking at, as sentencing, maybe the june or july 26 during. maybe later and, then the extended process of negotiating
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to see if there is a prisoner swap that can be done. i'm afraid that's the only way that britney griner will be coming back to the united states. >> joe thank you so much for helping us understand this really important story that i read about every day. please stay safe. coming up, we will talk to one ob/gyn about how she is getting creative to ensure patience of access to reproductive health care. even in the states where abortion is banned, we will be right back. abortion is banned, we will be
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court's decision to overturn roe v. wade, about half the states in this country have either banned abortions are or are expected to allow restrictions to take effect. with that in mind, some doctors are getting creative to make sure that they can still help patients who need reproductive health care. when audio that has been gaining steam is a floating abortion clinic.
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the idea is to place atlantic on an actual boat and have it sale in federal water outside of state jurisdictions. they have proposed placing one in the gulf of mexico. as you can see here on this map, it makes a lot of sense. all of the states bordering the golf, texas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama, georgia, and florida, they either have restrictions or are pending in court. a doctor is joining me now. you called this an idea, an option for patients who do not have any other options. help us understand how this would actually work in the face of statewide abortion bans. >> yeah, zerlina, things for having me. the idea is that this is actually a reproductive health clinic that will be in federal waters. it will offer surgical terminations and contraceptive care, sexually transmitted infection testing and
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treatment. it will hopefully offer vaccinations as well. the idea is that, you know, there are networks working on getting patients whose bodily autonomy has been taken away -- for individuals in these states, and it is incredibly difficult for them to get anywhere within a day. this is potentially a closer and quicker option for them. this is for poor people, people of color, marginalized populations. they don't have the opportunities. they can't get the health care they want when they want it. >> this it is not, you know, an idea that has not been tried before. it has been tried. a few years ago, a dutch company brought a floating abortion clinic to guatemala in the face of a ban there. did that effort inform your
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decision in any way? have you been discussing with them, you know, maybe some of the best practices or best ways to bring this to fruition in the case in the golf? >> yes. when i came up with this idea, i thought of it based on the casino boats on the mississippi river. once i began talking to people, i learned about rebecca zimmerman. she is a visionary. she has done some incredible things. she gave me some great insight. it is a little bit different. she was on international waters. she was mostly doing medical abortion. yes, she was incredibly helpful. some of the details that we 80 hat looked into were based on her recommendations. >> do you think that we need more creative solutions like this during a crisis moment where, you know, abortion
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access's was banned in more than half of america? >> yeah, i mean, absolutely. we are a country of innovators, right? there are many creative people. nobody -- the majority of this country, we know that they don't believe in this. i think that as many ideas and options that can be open for patients and individuals to pursue the care they deserve and want, we care they need, it should be out there. >> what are some of the obstacles for bringing a project like this to reality when you are talking about where to put the boat? i read that there has been debates about exactly where to place the boat. what are some of the obstacles that you are trying to work through as we try to make this happen. >> as you can imagine, you know, to top things on our mind, first of all, it is safety.
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safety for the patients. there's also the legality. security and legal issues, we anticipate those to be obstacles and barriers throughout the entire process. i think that the question about the location is josh that federal waters differ depending on the state you are beside. i want to be clear that medical care on a boat is not new. surgical terminations are very safe. there is no reason to believe that this would be any more risky for patients. >> yeah. the security that you mentioned is not the safety for the patients that is at the top of the mind. it is the security situation. many of the threats that abortion clinics face going forward -- i want to thank you so much for joining us. thank you for having this
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to indiana to get an abortion, it was a real wake up call to the very real implications of state abortion bans. for the republican attorney general of indiana, it was an opportunity to malign a doctor who performed the procedure. they, quote, did not reported to the state. >> we have this abortion activist acting as a doctor with a history of failing to report. we are gathering information, we are gathering the evidence as we speak. we are going to fight this to the end. that includes looking at the license. if you fail to report, it is a crime in indiana cannot report. >> not surprisingly, he was 100% wrong. according to npr, the doctor did exactly what she was supposed to do. she reported the procedure to the state, she did so last month. this entire story has put these abortion bans into perspective. the unfortunate reality is that
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this ten year old will not be the only victim placed into this situation. joining me now for more is robin. one of the three abortion clinics laugh in alabama. it recently seized all abortions due to the trigger law. she's also the author of a book that you wrote before this point. this is the new handbook for post-roe america. this came out well before this particular moment. robin, you work inside of a clinic. you work inside of the clinic the day of the jobs are ruling. take us inside what it is like in your clinic and how you had to walk out into the waiting room to inform the patients that they no longer could get care. sure. thanks for having me on, i appreciate it. i will be clear, i was not at the clinic the day the ruling came down. i did not expect the ruling
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that day, i expected that the following week. i was working from home and was actually doing a live interview when that happened. and ended up telling a reporter, that roe v. wade was overturned. the first thing i did immediately was call my staff because we had been informed that when the decision happened, we needed to immediately seize all of our operations. our staff walked out into the lobby and there were 21 people alone who were there for what we call our first day appointment. because in the state of alabama, you are not able to get an abortion the day that you come in. instead, you come in, you see a doctor, you receive counseling and an ultrasound and then you have to weigh at least 48 hours before you can return to the clinic in order to have your procedure. so all the patients that were there had all come in with the hope of being able to get a procedure the following week. and each one of them learned that even if they had already had their first appointment,
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they would need to leave now and they had to go to a different state if they wanted to still go through with an abortion. we added that to the nearly 100 patients that had already had their first day appointments. and we're now going to be forced to leave the state in order to finish their actual appointments and get the care that is still a few moments earlier, was completely legal for them. >> hearing that puts my stomach a little bit and not because i just cannot imagine what it is like to be in that particular situation. this, week there had been headlines all across the country about this case with a ten year old rib survivor who had to cross straight lines to seek out an abortion procedure. and some, ways conservatives attacked this case as like it could not possibly be true. it seems like a huge anomaly. you actually work on the ground and the clinic, talk to us about how cruel and inhumane many of these bands are. given the fact that the story will happen again and again and again. it is not an outlier.
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>> it is not an outlier at all, unfortunately, it was just the latest in what is a series of how the republican party i'm nose to promote abortion bans have really harmed minors in this state and in this country. alabama had one of the strictest parental consent flaws and one of the things that i'm not learn about until i came to alabama was the fact that when a parent brought in their child in order to have an abortion, they had to bring their pro certificate. and i don't mean they had to bring a copy of their pro certificate and they watched a person to forget in got a copy made. we took their breath certificate, their original birth certificate and we cannot take a copy of it. we kept that and they had to go out and get another one. and it just one of those marries a little ways that the government will use in order to try and have another roadblock a financial roadblock, logistical roadblock in order to stop people from being able to access their legal care.
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we had people who had been sexually assaulted, who are in the clinic. and who later had to go to georgia in order to get their abortions. we have all sorts of people from every walk of life who come in and the biggest worry that we had is the fact that many of them were from out of state. even for those who were in state, it was so difficult for them to get to us in the first place. the idea of them now needing to go at least three hours further to reschedule everything, we did not know if they're all going to make it. we were told that we could not help them, we were told that providing them any sort of support could potentially lead to us being in trouble for conspiracy. we know that we had already begun that care and that it would be medical malpractice, not to follow through and ensure that they were able to get the procedure that they needed. and so we spent the next week making sure each of those patients found a new appointment and was financially and logistically supported to get to that one. anwe only have one more minute
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here but how are you navigating this reality? we mentioned you stopped abortion procedures in your own clinic because of these new bands. are you afraid of prosecution? >> we are always afraid of prosecution but the reality is that we were always afraid of it before because as that indiana case shows, when republicans want to find something to try and tie a clinic with are trying to harm a doctor with. they make the complaints, they make the allegations and we are not allowed to respond to them, legally we are told that we should not say anything and so they get the hold one side of the conversation. and one thing that people don't know and i did not realize until it was working in the medical center is even if that complaint is dismissed, it is still trapped. it is still down there on a doctor's document. it is still there and has to be pulled up every single time that they apply for a license. in a new state, when they renewed their malpractice insurance. this isn't just a light oops i
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9-1-1 when there is an emergency. something that is really ingrained in our brains from childhood. well now, a mental health version of the hotline is being launched nationwide to help anyone who might be considering suicide and need someone to talk to. if someone dials the three digit number, 988, it will be erratic to the national suicide prevention lifeline. -- counselors will be manning the hotline and providing three and confidential support for all of the colors. according to the cdc, and about 20% of americans have a mental health illness in any given year. and reports of mental health problems have increased over the years. and it have been exacerbated by this pandemic. that is an understatement. joining us now to discuss and write this down, what to expect one calling 988 is amy moran. what can collars expect from this hotline and who can call?
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>> basically anyone can call, you don't have to necessarily be suicidal if you're experiencing a mental health crisis. if you are feeling overwhelmed, struggling with the substance abuse issue. you can call, does not have to be about perhaps you are worried about a loved one. you just don't know what to do, or who to turn to. when you call the number ideally, you will get routed to somebody within your state who can then offer you information about resources that are local. they cannot be done with whatever it is going on right now. coping strategies to get through the moments, also problems of what can you do tomorrow? who can reach out, to how to get help down the road. if something is not available locally, the hope is that will then be transferred to somebody who is available nationally. >> so important for people have to have this resource because for family members, of a loved one's having a crisis, you don't want to call 9-1-1. you don't want the police to come and every one of those situations. there is really been an increase in mental health, even conversations --
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we are out of, time i am not able to ask you an additional question. but again, reminding everybody that your loved ones can call 988. amy moran thank you so much for being here today. please stay safe. >> that does it for me i am zerlina. you can find me monday through friday, streaming on peacock through the msnbc hub. be sure to follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok and youtube. more news is coming up right here on msnbc. right here on msnbc.
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