starts right now. >> donald trump summoned a mob to washington, d.c.. ultimately spurred that mob to wage a violent attack on our democracy. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. all i can say is strap in. >> donald trump won 40 2 am tweet electrified and galvanized his supporters. >> president trump tweeted that he wants the american people till march on washington d.c.. >> the president had everyone had on, down we basically just fouled what he said. >> did you think the president would be marching with you? >> yes, i thought every thought he thought he would be coming down. >> as a result, people died. >> every president is willing to whip up a civil war amongst his followers, with lies in the seat and snake oil. well i'll to see going to do if

he gets elected again? >> presidential tried to call a witness in our investigation. we will take any effort to and fluids witness testimony very seriously. >> good morning, it's saturday. july 16th, i am sam stein in from my friend ali velshi. bringing us pressure hour on another week of bombshell revelations from the january 6th elect committee. as the public hearing, the seventh so far focused on far-right extremist groups that participated in the insurrection. and also the direct and then direct correlation between those groups and several of the former presidents minions. they also give us the first look at video testimony given just days before from former white house counsel, pat cipollone. now patrick long was one of the most sought after and vital witnesses today. a person who is not only in the room but was a part of the

conversation. offering a critical firsthand account of the final days of the former presidents desperate attempts to stay in power. included and patsy pallone's testimony was a wild description of the december 18th 2020 meeting in the oval office. involving some of figures providing the former president truly ridiculous and conspiratorial ideas on how to overturn the election. we >> i opened the door and i walked in, saw the general command. i saw him sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. lawyers, i don't think they were providing, first of all -- actually the first thing that i walked in a looked at him and i said who are you? he told, me i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice.

>> not individual, the overstock person and this is critical. should not be concerned with the my pillow guy, and individuals former ceo of stock docked outcome. patrick byrne, now brad met with the select committee privately for more than seven and a half hours yesterday. and after that, he spoke with reporters about some of his testimony. including the idea of season voting machines. >> i proposed that adjoined teams of like one u.s. marshall and three national guard people, to go into each of the six counties that have taken image and the hard drive. everybody in the room -- quickly said nope, no uniforms whatsoever. trump turned to mooney and rudy and mark meadows on the speaker fox. i, sunday card with his lawyer. they turn to michael flynn. michael flynn at the hms has adequate resources for that.

he said okay, we will go with that one. >> should be noted that michael flynn, who pleaded guilty twice to lying to federal investigators about his contacts with russia, he was pardoned by the president only a few weeks before the meeting. while the reported the time in fact, the next day -- the former president asked flint about his idea to impose the quote. we run the election. the january 6th elect committee also met with the homeland security inspector general. by u.s. secret service text messages. from january 5th and january six of 2021. which have been erased and which should obviously be a value to the committee. late last night, the selected may subpoena at the agency over the race text. representative jamie raskin of the committee says it is unclear if the text or missing or gone forever. that the committee is quote very concerned. chair benny thompson also said

the committee is still discussing whether it will subpoena the former president speaking at the former president, he revealed this week that he has already made up his mind about regarding a run for president in 2024. he's only deciding when to make the announcement, whether it will come before or after the 2022 midterms. donald trump was scheduled to have a rally today in arizona, -- of his first wife and the mother history of this change in, even a trump. joining me now with congressional reporter covering the january six committee for the guardian, amiss and legal analyst barbara. she is a former u.s. attorney in michigan, professor at the university of michigan of law school. and overall, stellar voice to have on this morning. let's start with, theo the secret service situation. leads the way the tax, which may or may not be gone forever. you are hearing dhs inspector general told us like committee that there is some quote deeply

worrying things. what more can you tell us about the select committee subpoena and its plans for getting this information. did i think it's gone forever? >> he, has good questions on the met with the inspector general yesterday morning. for my understanding of that briefing, the inspector general told the committee that the text messages appeared to be gone for now. he welcomed to show why they're been erased of several different versions of the story from the secret service. -- the software upgrade, and then that story kind of got question the secret service change their story to all actually, with a device replacement program. that was a swap, with that concern in this letter. all of this accommodated late last night, they subpoenaed and this lekima neighbors to be subpoenaed two things. a text messages and communications as well as the reports and the text messages

because if there's a need that a law, if they want to use that to see if they

and instead alerted their lawyer to the call. their lawyer alerted us. and this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. let me say one more time, we will take any effort to end fluent witness testimony very seriously. >> so i am not a lawyer this is, not a criminal drier but when i saw that, many other people and they said is this not witness tampering and if it is, what is the significance of this to the committee and potentially to the department of justice? >> well certainly potentially witness tampering. a phone call alone a no is not necessarily witness tampering. people call people of the time for all kinds of reasons. you don't have to look at it in a vacuum. we want to look at it in context. we don't know this person was but it is been reported, a support staff person at the

white house. it will matter the frequency with donald trump causes person. has he ever called you before? no did not know he knew my phone number. that could be important. what was the timing? they come immediately after hutchinson testified? was this person also present for any of the episodes that she discussed? that can be important context as well. i think we have to consider that we have heard other witnesses say that they have received outreach from intermediary saying that donald trump is reading all of the transcripts. we hope you are a good loyal team player. i think you look at all of that activity. which is why it's appropriate for the justice department to look into it. so that they can interview everybody who might be getting contact and see if they can put together a pattern here. if you can show that there was an intentional effort to interfere with a witness testimony or intimidate a witness, that's a very serious crime of witness tampering. punishable by up to 20 years. i think another thing here that is interesting, the fact that liz cheney announced about loud. ordinary, when you investigate

a case and you think you will prevent, you keep it quiet. you don't want to tip off people about what you're looking at a might be interviewing. the fact that she announced a loud system, me this is more shout across about donald trump, knock it off we know we are up. to stop doing it, it's also message to the american people that look how scared he is. evidence of consciousness of guilt if he thought that none of this was harming emerald this was simply innocuous testimony, he would not feel the need to tell witnesses to knock it off. it suggests something to hide and he does not want this witness to be able to testify to the public. >> or maybe fear he will do it to a different witness. hugo yesterday, you reported that the justice department announced that close presidential advisers do not have immunity from testifying to congress. once the president has left office, seems like a politically noteworthy thing an important development. specifically as it pertains to former chief of staff, mark meadows. please explain why. >> yes, the doj said in a statement of interest in this

meadows -- as civil case regarding meadows as the communications. they said look, post presidential visor's and the language that is used, is not a median to the testimony. they have to go before the committee in some form. some sort of-limited qualified immunity on what the doj said. and, so this is really interesting. of course as we all know, doj declined to prosecute mark meadows for contempt congress. and trying to show for his subpoena. he provided documents, he did not come and testify. now that doj seems to be taking positions, that actually he did need to come and testify because they are saying get that something was justified. the courts have to decide whether the subpoenas justified, this instance they say we think the subpoena was justified and they cited cassidy hutchinson. it is a look, some meetings and cassidy was president and she could talk about. there were other meetings where

she were not present but meadows was present. for those meetings, you go and talk to meadows himself. you kind of ascertain was being discussed. so we get to this point now on the one hand, doj's declined to prosecute that congress charge. on the other hand, they are saying the subpoenas are justified and there is no something is absolute immunity from the testimony. these two don't seem to reconcile. >> all right, hugo i've to be honest barr but once the backdrop game on this one. this morning but thank you both, for joining me on saturday morning. joining me now is democratic representative, jake auchincloss from massachusetts. congressman, thank you so much for being here. i want to start with these elated secret service tax. do you think it's legitimate mistake? honestly or is this a case of the secret once again finding itself in a bit of a scandal. >> good boarded, thanks for having me on. a scai think the odds of theset

being deleted that they are about the same odds that comey was audited by the irs randomly. the fact pattern laid out by the january six commission is a searing indictment. there needs to be legal consequences for any individual up to and including the president who incited insurrection. there is going to be due process for that. we have near term political action items from this commission. for us and for, morris beneath afrin urgency for passing the electoral count act reform in the senate and house. so that we can preserve the ministerial role of the vice president. prevent a mike pence incident in the future. we have got to have more urgency about these secretary of state races, and races like michigan, pennsylvania, where you have election deniers who will be in charge of state elections. and finally, and maybe most importantly, the left needs to

stop tearing down joe biden. we have seen with the january six commission, with a lead of the republican party wants to do. the answer to that is not to attack the leader of the democratic party. the answers to help and be successful. >> interesting case i suppose for the left to take its gloves off with biden. do you really think that the criticisms that they should knock critique's policy? that there is no place for them to express disappointment with the president? >> there is always room and indeed the obligation in the apartheid system of government for us to disagree and debate. i disagree with the administration on mine. i have the phone number of the administration and i call them, up i have can conduct of conversations, i pushed him in the directions i want. but i did not do a show to take their legs out from under them. we need to be laser focused as a party on the midterms. and on trying to make joe biden

a successful second half president and the 22 to 24 times been. the attacks on him from his owed fellow democrats, we really need to stop. they are not conducive to help and save democracy right now. >> let's go back quickly to the committee and its actions and what is surrounding it. specifically, -- refused to comply with the committee subpoena. and as tried on contempt are just had to begin on monday. well you, know he's filed a motion to dismiss the case. their committee does have that chair out for bannon. let me play you a bit the hearing from the street about what bannon might have known about the planning on jan six. take a listen and ask you questions on the other side. >> the committee has learned from the white house for that the president spoke to steve bannon, his close advisor at

least twice on january 5th. but first conversation they had lasted for 11 minutes and listen to what mr. bannon said that day after the first call he had with the president. >> oh hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it is all converging and now we are on as i say, the point of attack. the point of attack tomorrow. i will tell you this, it is not going to happen like you think it will happen. it is going to be quite extraordinarily different. all i can say is strap in. >> all, right my question is this. on the one, that very evident that steve bannon knew something materially important. on the other hand, the likelihood that you will get steve bannon to caught to give over the stuff today knows or speak are not to be 100%. let's put it that way. what is the value of focusing on someone like bannon, and do you think that a lot of resources should be spent trying to get him to testify?

>> well a subpoena from congress is not a request, it's a demand. he needs to comply with it. his language in that episode and in all of the events surrounding january six was clearly incitement insurrection. we have a whole clause about that in the constitution on section three of the 14th amendment. ut that in the constituit's not le. we need to hold to account and the individual surrounding the president, or and civil service. or an executive branch. who tried to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, the fundamental norm of our democracy. but to your point, we could not focus olive branch is on the due process that the repercussions. that is one element. there is a political element here to. democrats have to have renewed energy about the account akron form, state elections, for governor and secretary of state. keep in the house and that it does not end up and kevin mccarthy's hands.

and in rallying behind this president to help him be successful with narrow margins in congress. >> all, right democratic representative jake oaken closs of massachusetts, the great state of massachusetts. thank you very much for joining us here, saturday morning appreciate it. coming up, we have much more on the january six investigation. throughout the special hour of velshi. straight ahead, how trump has infected the republican party. plus preview if there's upcoming primetime public hearing. you are watching velshi on msnbc. you are watching velshi on msnb nooooo... noooo... noooo... quick, the quicker picker upper. bounty picks up messes quicker and each sheet is 2x more absorbent , so you can use less. he's an eight he's a nine bounty, the quicker picker upper.

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what if i told you... you'll leave here different? are you ready?! - hell no. - no. today's republican party finds itself at a crossroads. as the grapples with the far-right takeover, that we solutions victory in 2016. thanks years later, might be too late to go back. america has now experience in attempted insurrection, attack on the capitol as a part of an effort to overturn a free and fair election.

since then a conservative super majority on supreme court, as a race lying out personal rights and upended major aspects of american life. while some republican leaders like representative, liz cheney and adam kinzinger recognize the threat posed by elements within the party. and voices have been drowned out by republican leaders, who on the downplay on the pass and continue expanding the power. even if it means uprooting our democracy. senior box correspondent, zak lays it all out in his new piece titled how conservativism conquered america and corrupted itself. he writes quote, american conservatism is simultaneously ascendant and in crisis. the right has extraordinary political power. it's traditional leadership scenes less capable than ever of imposing limits on how it is wielded. the gop's future belongs to the radical forces, represented by trump and the members of the establishment most willing to cater to them. after a quick break, we take a

closer look at how republicans let power overcome principle and, worse how they let party overcome democracy. talk to zach beach, i'm also ruth, ben got to his interview tours been interviewed by the january six committee, for her expertise on protecting democracy. >> that political scientists tell us that authoritarian parties have two essential features in common. and historian around the world, they do not accept the results of democratic elections, when they lose, they embrace political violence as legitimate. violence a legitimate legitimate ♪ and the mirror from your van is halfway down the street ♪ ♪ well, you can say that -- ♪ wait, what? i said, "someone just clipped to living the dream. the side view mirror right off the delivery van." now, where were we? why, you were fixin' to peel me.

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joined by a history professor at nyu. she specializes in fascism. she is the author of strongmen, mussolini to the present. she is also the founder of a newsletter that follows the threats to democracy. she has also been interviewed 70 times by the january six committee. thank you for joining me. zak, let's start with you. there is the new piece that you write. you wrote, quote, white america faces now is a conservatism unbound it. partnered with the radical right, even shared some of its belief, and even please it. today's conservatism has jettisoned that modicum of caution. it is not conservative, but downright revolutionary. having had a taste of victory, there is no sign of the republican party is willing or capable of reimposing the limits that once made is safe for democratic politics. zak, what has changed? why do you believe the

republican party is no longer capable of policing itself? >> it is important to understand the underlying conflict here, the distinction between conservatives and the radical right. basically, across time and space and liberal democracies, there is a consistent element of the population and intellectual vanguard that believes very firmly in the idea of equality of democracy is a mistake. everyone should have an equal say in government. certain groups should not be more represented than others. that strikes them as a profound rejection of what politics should be. we have this throughout the united states. it is the ideology of slave holders, the ku klux klan, the john birch society, george wallace's presidential run. what had happened as the conservative movement emerged after world war ii, it attempted to align itself with

these radicals on the theory that it could contain them, bring them into the political coalition. they believe they could harness their incredibly strong feelings and beliefs and turn them into votes for pretty normal tax cuts and antiabortion politics. these are the kinds of things that really emanate mainstream conservatives. this was true. what happened, over time, this ultimately culminated in dom and donald trump. it was not the conservatives controlling the radicals. it with the radicals whose idea is that had their shared hatred for liberals. they gradually started to resemble each other. the mainstream wright was able to fully capitulate to the radical right if it meant gaining political power. >> i don't want to turn this into a college political science course, but we have a professor here. ruth, do you agree with the

synopsis? as a follow-up, if you do agree with it, i am wondering as someone who has studied this stuff, one of the closest oracle parallel to the moment we are in right now with our democracy? >> i do agree. in fact, my book is about all these case studies all over the world. conservatives, starting with mussolini in hitler, conservatives brought these extremists and their militias into power. they thought they could control them an ally with them. the logic of authoritarianism is increasing radicalization. we are going to have to find a new language. conservative no longer fits the party that perpetrated a coup. they would do it again tomorrow. it is very important to know that the gop is now comingling

and fusing at local and state level with extremists. one in five local and state gop officials has sympathies or affiliations with radical groups. that is why we also see the logic of the party eating its own as it becomes the far-right extremist party. the rhino phenomenon where moderates had to be pushed out. this has happened before in history. it has also happened when there are military coups. it happens whenever you have far-right authoritarians or get to power. >> let's pick up on that threat. zak, you are right. the republican establishment repeatedly flirted with middle american radicals. they're defined as middle and lower class voters who make up the radical right. how big of a threat is this group too liberal institutions? how big has it gotten compared to where it is --

what role this culture play in their longevity? >> it is very difficult to say the exact size of a group like that. it is not sort of sociological defined. it is a category that has been imposed on a wide variety of people buy sociologist from back in the 70s. it is not clear how well it applies today. back that up -- that is an adviser to patty cannon. very white ring, almost racist. they really predicted the trump movement. what i will say, america, and this feeling is galvanized as a result of two things, there is the election of barack obama to the president -- though is formed a sentiment from conservative voters. that will become the groundwork for an extreme right takeover republican party.

they are very right to emphasize that this is not just a top-down thing. trump wins and everyone gets in line. that is part of it. it is very much arms up at the very local level. >> the top down in this case, let me just interject, and this is varubi, the top down would be establishment fingers saying enough is enough. we have to, liz cheney and adam kissinger. they are on this committee. they find themselves ostracized in their own party. there is a poll that came out yesterday. it shows that liz cheney is trailing her trump backed challenger by more than 20 points. the question for you, ruth, we have to recognize the traditional republican party as we once knew it, it is basically being relegated to third-party status. they can either stay within their own tent or form their own political institution.

>> yes. i agree with that. really, that is why i say that we are going to have to have a new terminology for the gop. it doesn't resemble its old self. indeed, one of the biggest metrics of that is that anybody who wants to get ahead in their party now has to be more and more radical. think about mehmet oz. he used to be for done reform. in his campaign ad, he had to be shooting and saying that the second amendment is about opposing chronicle government. there's even rhonda scientists. in november 2020, he said that florida has no fraud. they were still anchored to a democratic culture with a small d. he now has this office of election for integrity and security. that has been a republican buzzword for being able to undermine the severity of our elections. >> all of these people have

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i'm in front of your house this weekend. i know who your family is. we are going to get you. [inaudible] >> sounds like a pleasant person. joining me now is a political comedian and host of the podcast. also, my colleague at politico, this is the great meredith mcgraw. she is a political correspondent. thank you both for joining me on saturday morning. dean, usually column for msnbc. you pointed out that kissinger went public for his vile threats. one of his colleagues has condemned them. you write, quote, given that these threats appear to be coming from the gop base, that silence from the from republican leadership is, at best, the taller shush tolerance of threatened violence, at worst it is an approval. >> it seems like it is worse

than that. first of all, good morning. good to see you. >> great to see you. >> secondly, look, this is known about marginalizing of always. this is about a deluge of violent voices. it was released last week by kissing there. his family, his wife, his child. this comes from a month ago. there is a handwritten letter delivered to his house. the public was saying that they were going to execute him, his son. when republicans are concerned about threats, they speak out. when brett kavanaugh had threats, he discussed them in the florida house. he was on fox news tweeting about them. adam kissinger revealed these threats, nothing. the message is clear, they value certain lives. those who criticize our leader -- these are dangerous times.

we have a gop that is literally embracing fascist backings. they are using violence to acquire or attain political power. it is frightening. >> it is one thing to threaten. i am not condoning threats. it is one thing to threaten the congressman. meredith, you wrote about the threats that have been faced by aids. before the break, i discuss the support group of women. they have all gone up against the trump machine. you have cassidy hutchinson for example. talk about how this group developed. how have they come to support one another? >> it was just described that women have also faced very serious threat in the course of reporting this story. one woman shared the instagram direct messages from just the other day. they were quite disturbing. these women are on this political island by themselves.

they are rejected by the republican party that has continued to embrace trump. on the left, they are seen as people who enabled donald trump while he was in the white house. they are just now speaking out. they're kind of on an island unto themselves. because of that, they have faced serious threats for coming forward. cassidy hutchinson was in touch with alyssa ferret griffin. she left the white house in 2020. olivia troye did as well. when they did, they spoke out. they face some really heinous, if you will, public comments about them. they have struggled to kind of find their footing. this woman has formed to support each other. they are showing each other they are there. they are not alone as they do this. >> dean, when adam kizinger

released those disturbing voicemails, he said, quote, the darkness has reached new lows. i don't know if that is true. i honestly don't know. you point out that things could get darker if the republican party continues down this path. what is the deeply scary and point of the direction the party is going in? one of the threats for the people who speak out against trump? >> the end point is living together in canada. let's be honest, it is not -- i want you to understand these are not isolated threats. this is against anyone who speaks out against trump. it is the gop base. in my article, quote, you have almost 60% of republican who use january 6th as an act of, quote, defending freedom. january 6th, that terrorist attacked -- it was an act of, quote, patriotism.

that should scare everyone. i never called the gop fascist. i thought they would jettison donald trump. he literally has an 80% favor ability rate right now. the republican base is telling you that violence is acceptable to gain and obtain political power. it could get much darker. we have to be aware. we need democrats and the media to be calling this out for what it is. it is un-american, it is dangerous. it is fascist. >> to play devils advocate for a second, i am not saying it is fascist, but there are violent threats throughout different elements of both parties. less so i would argue on the democrats. this is a man who showed up to brett kavanaugh's house with a gun on, he attempted to kill him. did the democratic party speak out sufficiently against that in your opinion? >> i think that the pence of

the person. ultimately, the legislation was passed. we are not talking about leaders. look at the base. if you pull democrats, they view january 6th as abhorrent, same as independents. they view it as an american, an attack on our capitol. nearly 60% of the republican base views it as an act of defending freedom. let's be clear that it is the base of the gop that is going in that direction. they always get more extremist, they don't get more reasonable. we are going to a dark place. it is scary to say that, but that is the reality. meredith, one threat that i think is underappreciated, but you picked up on it on your piece, we talk about gender. the woman who stood up against trump. you write, quote, at the heart of the group's formation is a belief. there are other cases points for washington d.c.. female political operatives carry different burdens than her male colleagues. i have a question for you, how

has that, how has the sense that females are burdened with responsibility, how does that impact but these women have done? how has it informs their decision to speak out against donald trump? >> one of the things that has been brought up against women was a disappointment that it took so long for someone like pat cipollone to come forward. when he did, he testified behind closed doors. it was recorded. there is this belief that they have taken on is more courageous role. it is something that liz cheney talked about through the reagan library in california. she talked about it after cassidy hutchinson's testimony. these young women, she felt they really understand the risk for democracy here. as such, she has been really proud of these so many women that she has met on capitol hill. there are former white house staffers who have decided to come forward. there is a sense of disappointment that more of their male counterparts so, the

men who worked above them, they have not come forward themselves. >> all right. dean obeidallah, meredith mcgraw, two of the finest human beings, thank you both. >> thank you. >> i don't toss that around lightly. don't go anywhere. there is plenty more that you need to know this morning. that includes the latest on the fight for women's rights in our new post roe world. the war in ukraine. we also discuss the investigation into the uvalde school shooting response. velshi starts after a quick break. velshi starts after a quic break. hi, my name is cherrie. i'm 76 and i live on the oregon coast. my husband, sam, i have two daughters and then two granddaughters.

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july 16th it is 9 am in the east 6 am in the west. i am sam stein filling in as best as one can for ali velshi. three weeks after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, the fight for abortion rights continues. at the nation's capital in the state courts, on monday the biden administration issued guidance to let the doctors know that a federal law allows them to perform abortions in case of emergency. well that the state of texas now challenging. meanwhile, the house of representatives passed two bills yesterday, for protecting abortion activist. neither of which has a chance to pass in the deadlock senate. congress also had a series of hearings this week but now the supreme court's decision will affect americans. during those hearings, the news of a ten year old rape victim

what the trouble from ohio to indiana for an abortion came up. here is one exchange between democratic congress from eric swallow, catherine glen foster who is the president and ceo of the antiabortion group americans united for life. and sarah wore belong, the leader director for the human rights campaign. >> do you think a ten year old should choose to carry a baby? >> i believe will impact your life and therefore, it would fall under and the exception i would not be an abortion. >> wait, it would not be an abortion if a ten year old weather brand made the decision not to have a baby that was a result of a rape? >> and potential became pregnant as a result of rape, it was threatening her life than that is not an abortion. >> miss warbelow, are you familiar with this information? >> yes i am. >> did you just hear some disinformation? . >> an abortion is the procedure, a medi