what the trouble from ohio to indiana for an abortion came up. here is one exchange between democratic congress from eric swallow, catherine glen foster who is the president and ceo of the antiabortion group americans united for life. and sarah wore belong, the leader director for the human rights campaign. >> do you think a ten year old should choose to carry a baby? >> i believe will impact your life and therefore, it would fall under and the exception i would not be an abortion. >> wait, it would not be an abortion if a ten year old weather brand made the decision not to have a baby that was a result of a rape? >> and potential became pregnant as a result of rape, it was threatening her life than that is not an abortion. >> miss warbelow, are you familiar with this information? >> yes i am. >> did you just hear some disinformation? . >> an abortion is the procedure, a medical procedure.

it doesn't matter whether or not there is a statutory exemption, there are still a medical procedure that is understood to be an abortion >> now right when figures initially cast out on the story. and they are forced to backstop after police in ohio arrested a man who confessed to raping the child. still indiana's attorney general, todd rokita said his team will be investigating dr. caitlin bernard. the indianapolis-based physician who performed the abortion. they suggested that dr. bernard failed to report the case but abc news has obtained a copy of doctor's report that verifies her story. here's a doctor pronounced lawyer told her yesterday. >> we set mr. rokita a cease and desist letter. demanding that he stops marrying my client and falsely accusing her of things that she has not done. our hope immediate hope with that letter that we sent today is that mr. rokita will stop

vilifying my client. and stop trying to change the story away from what really happened here, which is that a ten year old child was raped and abused and at the travel across state lines to get medical care that she needed. >> this case has exposed the extreme difficulty of accessing abortion care and post america. abortion still illegal and indiana by the way, the state is poised to ban it soon. so for 20 46 dates are soaring or likely to ban abortion now that roe has been overturned. and the nine states color dark red there on this map, there are no providers offering abortion care today. additionally, a 15-week ban goes to infect today and kentucky and it's one of those six stripe states on this map that have been forced new restrictions. since roe is overturned, some of these states are expected to take further action to knock even more draconian benson. as you can, see abortion is no longer available and much of the south. now coming, weeks access will continue to shrink as more bans

take into effect across the country. joining me now is nancy northam, the president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights. nancy, thank you so much for joining us. last time you are on the show, you propose that the biden administration declare a public health emergency order abortion access. let's take a listen to what you said back then. >> this is a public health emergency, the inability to get abortion care. and the biden administration should declared a public health emergency and in doing that be able to get medication abortion into state. by telemedicine and by mail, even in states where this band. this is a public health emergency and we are urging that biden administration to take that authority to address it. >> now since that interview, the administration has a guidance for doctors and cases of emergency and case of stein

-- or they haven't done as they have not declared a public health emergency. so what do you think is or should they go further or should they declare the emergency? >> well i think that your sum up the events of this week, show how important it is for the biden administration to declare a public health emergency. i mean everything from the ten year old case of that girl having to leave her home state of ohio. to get an abortion in indiana, what is happening the attorney general of texas, suing the biden administration because of its very sound rulings about the need to have emergency medical treatment for people who are coming at the hospitals, who are having medical pregnancy emergencies and need access to abortion care show the map of the states who are becoming unavailable. clearly, this is the public health emergency. the biden administration, president biden's announcement

last week has directed by federal agencies including the department health and human services. that think about all of its power and one of the power it has is declare a public health emergency, which will allow this to override -- with respect to medication, abortion to mitigate this crisis that's unfolding, every single week. >> you know i guess i'm surprised, maybe you are too. there is so much anticipation for quick action. once a supreme court decision was handed down, in part because we know the decision was going to be. there was a late document obviously, looking now for weeks now since that decision was handed out. how do you grab the administration's response? do you see an actual sense of urgency or not? >> well i think the biden administration is exhibiting very serious, addressing this concern.

the presidents -- we saw the department of justice this week, announced that they are setting up a task force looking at all of the ways for the power of the law can be used. included the department of justice, and i know there is i think another three weeks or so until the house and human services get this back to the biden admin, back to the white house about what it sees his power to do. house about whatwe are looking, we arg we are arguing and i think every day we will see these stories continue to unfold. we are looking for that public health emergency and all of the other accents of the biden administration is taking. >> but aside biden administration, also of congress? right house before the few bills this week that passed, that will fill in the senate. 50 votes are not even every democratic necessarily will be on board. question for you, as other other legislative maneuvers that you would advise lawmakers of the democratic side to take? for instance, one suggestion is

start with the low hanging fruit. put together a bill that says a federal guarantee to away from abortions in case of rape and incest. put that on the floor and basically challenge republicans for not vote for it. what's on like that be a productive measure or other pieces of legislation who advised to take? >> i think it's very important as you mention the house of representatives yesterday that take a vote, again and passed the women's health protection act. which is the bill that would address the bands that we have seen across the country and set up a national standards. and also the house yesterday passed legislation to address the right to travel. again, we are seeing states threatening to stop people from going to other states. that is very important, and there are 49 votes for the women's health protection act in the senate. last sunday voted on it 49 votes, so close to the 50 that would be needed for the

exception of the filibuster. the focus on doing something about the filibuster is really, really important. and i think we have got to keep that pressure on. >> all, right nancy northam thank you so much for joining. us really appreciate it, i am joined now by mary ziegler. a professor at the uc davis law school. she's also the author of books, dollar for life, the anti-abortion movement. the fall of the republican -- and reproduction in the history of the united states. thank you so much for joining, us i want to turn to the case of this annual girl in ohio. who was, raped at the travel to indiana for an abortion. now the atlantic mastiff, ember you have quote, what's the anti-abortion movement wants now is in the past. now and in the, past the recognition a fetal person? and historically, recognizing personhood has often meant criminalizing that behavior of pregnant women. even when those women are victims of crimes themselves. most americans by the way

support exceptions for rape and incest, and so straight question. why are republican leaders willing to try and get rid of it? >> well i think often what we are, seeing republican leaders who are worried not about general elections, not really worried about what the median voter things because consistently, we know not only that most voters -- often votes republicans support rape and incest and sections. this is one republican politicians are worried about primary challenges rather than general elections. they worried about their nose rather than voters. there were in more about looking week on abortion that about actually going where the american people are on this issue. >> right, i guess so is talking about that exchange that was quite a top with congressman -- was that somebody has been working in the antiabortion field for so long did not have a fairly coherent answer to a pretty obvious question of what was happening. that's what she said will that is not an abortion.

it is an abortion right? and my question for you is yes. my question for you is are you surprised not there was not a better answer, prepared or just a situation where we have a dog that caught the car more elias. >> i think actually surprisingly it's not an abortion answer is not relevant lee widespread in the antiabortion moment. there's been a push in recent years to say, we are opposed to all exceptions. we don't even want a lifesaving exception anymore. and the way they've justified that to themselves is essentially to say, and a procedure that we actually think people would support is the abortion because it's not an intentional life taking. we will redefine abortion that way. i do the same thing i think in justifying sometimes attacks on contraceptives by saying that is not a contraceptive. it's abortion and within the antiabortion moment, that argument works great. what is happening is that argument it really had been aired in the public square before, now they're realizing it doesn't work very well. this is i think an example of sometimes how people, when they

live in an echo chamber, and they counterprotest the argument. and maybe they feel they had the road to see arguments. they then realize that these are things that are going to sound disturbing to a large number of people, especially when we are talking about a ten year old child's being re-victimized after something horrific already happened there. >> the subject of fetal personhood, a federal judge just blocked a law in arizona, from going into effect on monday. i look at this stuff and i, say is that the next frontier for where we are out on abortion rights. where essentially, women are captive to and eventual judges decrease, and on one week you may have access to abortions and then on weekend could be taken and you basically have to stay on top of you know, the legal rulings of your jurisdiction. is that where we are at and where we will be for a while? >> yeah, i think there's definitely kind of what's the law in your state is. it'll just change by the week. i think looming in the background of course with

personhood is not the endgame for people on the anti-abortion movement another supreme court ruling. sort of taking the other federal courts off the, field taking congress off the field essentially saying, abortion is unconstitutional everywhere because a fetal personhood or a supreme court decision especially, essentially allowing conservative states to apply their criminal laws outside of their borders. sort of eliminating the right to travel. so until that happens, that's not completely unthinkable governors on the supreme court but until that happens we will live and a tremendous uncertainty. where people are going to probably not seek abortion as much as they could. not perform abortions as much as they, could not offer other kinds of pregnancy related care as much as they could. they just don't understand what the law is and their states, not kind of uncertainty has a chilling effect. finally on thursday, jim bob, the general counsel for the antiabortion group national right to life, he was commenting on this case of the

ohio ten year old. he told politico i will read the quote here. she would have had, she would've had the baby and as many women who have had babies as a result of, rape we would hope that she would understand the reason and optimally the benefit of having the child. the bill does propose exceptions for rape and incest in my model because that is the pro-life position. but it's not our ideal position. we don't think as heart-wrenching as the circumstances are, we don't think we should devalue the life of the baby because of the sense of the father. help us unravel this for one, thing seems to avoid referring the ten year old as a girl or a child. i think more largely, what do you make of his comments? are they the mainstream comments or is this still sort of a minority of republicans and conservatives? >> yes bob is i would say the starter of my book. one thing to know about, him he is not a huge player at all.

he long had been viewed a sort of like the crusty pragmatic establishment in the anti-abortion movement. you often hear people who are absolutely saying he is too cautious, too slow, he is too establishment. he is too mainstream, so this position that in an ideal world, children would have to carry pregnancies to term after sexual assault has been a major position since the 1960s. the reason for that essentially is at the moment's entire goal is to protect fetal rights. you cannot protect fetal rights if you have a rape and incest exception. it contradicts -- the fetus is indistinguishable from a child or an adult, in terms of the rights that it holds. so this is a very mentioned position than the fact that it's coming from jim bach tells you a lot in part because he has often been a part of the movement that is the most cautious. the most strategic. this is this actually a movement unveiling its position for all of us to see. >> i'm old enough to remember

richard murdoch senate campaign, tanking after the phrase legitimate rape rubble and that was the phrase. anyway mary, where thank you so much for joining us. for a difficult topic but i appreciate you walking through the intricacies of it. still ahead on velshi, a major move by the january six select committee. issued subpoenas to members of the u.s. secret service. the first time is publicly done so for an agency of an executive branch. we have all of the details ahead plus, the austin american-statesman newspaper released surveillance video from inside robb elementary school on the day of the horrific eovaldi shooting. some say the videos for some -- coming up we will speak with a journalist from the paper about how that tough decision was made. all right after the break, details on president biden's four-day trip to the middle east. earlier this morning, the president participated in the summit with the gulf cooperation council. as well as leaders from iraq jordan and egypt. it was the meeting and this

greeting that the saudi crown prince that grabbed the world to tension. that the saudi crow prince that grabbed the worl to tension

there was only last february that the biden administration and u.s. intelligence decided that saudi arabian crown prince mohammed bin salman al saud had ordered the murder of u.s. journalist jamal khashoggi. president biden is in saudi arabia. he quieted the crown prince. he is the person that biden called a pariah. instead of condemnation, he offered this bump. the goal of the meeting was to reset the diplomatic relationship, improve regional security. the other goal was to increase the global flow of oil. after an hour-long meeting with mohammed bin salman al saud, joe biden told reporters that he raised the issue of the murder of jamal khashoggi.

>> he basically said that he was not personally responsible for it. i indicated that i thought he was, he said he was not personally responsible for it. he took action against those who were responsible. >> saudi arabia was one stop on a trip to took president biden to israel and the west bank. it was one that drew plenty of criticism from several directions before it even began. these are the initial images of the casual greetings between the two leaders. the fiancée of jamal khashoggi said, quote, hey, potus, is this the accountability that you promised for my murder? the blood of the next victim is on your hands. joining me right now is -- they have held numerous administrations. they were the spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nation. there are senior middle east policy advisor for terrorism, financial intelligence, and the

treasury department. one of those classically long government titles. thank you so much for joining me. my first question to you, president biden went into this meeting with mohammed bin salman al saud hoping to secure agreement on oil, let's be honest about it. he says that they expect to further to the discussion in coming weeks. was it worth it? is it worth compromising your morals and human rights for this. >> you characterize it perfectly. with this kind of trip, you are going to have a major cost-benefit analysis. to take this trip, you have major per risks. there are major risks to undermine your own human rights values. therefore, anytime you try and fight for a change and human rights around the world, including in saudi arabia -- in order to make those risks worth you have to come out with some very strong and valuable deliveries. where the trip stands now, i did not see the deliverables were strong enough unfortunately. the promises made were very bag

when it came to oil. it was from the saudi side. yes, we promise to help the oil market. that is to the. if you are going make a trip like this, a trip that is this risky, the picture of the fist bump is gonna haunt president biden for years. we need promises that are much more concrete. we need something like, the saudi arabians have promised to increase production by a certain percent, it will decrease prices by a certain percent. but i think should've happened, at least something on human rights. perhaps a political prisoner who goes back with president biden on his plane. something like that. >> the administration would say, look, we got an extension of the abrams accord. israel and saudi arabia have a stronger relationship because of this meeting. you can actually fly through saudi arabian airspace right now even if you are israeli. you can do that before.

if you are saudi arabia, and you wrote this, that quote got everything he wanted, what does saudi arabia think of this? first of all, what did you want? secondly, do you come away from this trip feeling pretty good about the fact that you have been legitimized by the president of the united states? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that i used to argue when i was working with the u.s. government in u.s. foreign policy. you have to put yourself in the shoes of middle eastern leaders, middle eastern dictators. they don't think like we do. they don't have the same values or goals. they don't have the same desires as we do. having a photo opportunity with the u.s. president, whether it is a handshake in their host country or a meeting in the oval office, this weighs heavily to them. why? it weighs heavily with their own population. it allows them to exert more power. it allows them to seem as though they have not from the u.s. president, the leader of the free world. when you have the leader of the

free world doing a fist bump, even if it is an awkward and unfortunate situation, and that is what it was, president biden was clearly uncomfortable, he looked awkward, he was very fast. as a former pr person, that could have been avoided. that is my opinion. >> i want to stop you there. let me stop you there. i am very curious. i don't want to spend too much time on the optics. in this case, that is an indelible image that will last forever and throughout the presidency. through reporting, we know that the people planning this trip or trying to figure out ways to avoid just this type of situation. okay, he is not gonna shake hands because of covid. other parties were saying that he was not going to smile. we don't know if we can prevent him from smiling. you have planned these types of trips before. walk us through those types of preparations that aides have to make. >> sure. aides are making, analyzing, and preparing. between the policy people, the public affairs people, and the advance team, they prepare every detail.

the team is very aware that every single step is gonna be scrutinized. they are going to be inevitably -- there are elements that you did not prepare for. you did not have any control over them. they're gonna look bad and be heavily scrutinized. the problem is that this was an element that could not be prepared for. this is the thing that fluctuates me sometimes as an american. i understand the power that the united states government holds. we don't yield that leverage strongly enough when it comes to the middle east. i don't know why we don't, but we don't. if biden -- if i was the pr person, i would've threaten the saudi government. hey, you don't want an awkward situation on your hands by having the crowned prince greet the president. president biden should be greeted by his counterpart, the king. let's all avoid an awkward situation and have that happen. listen, i understand president biden would have never snub the crown prince. you could have threatened that.

you could have said that it worked out better for both of us is if this happens. we don't wield that power enough sometimes. it is frustrating because that can seep into other issues in the saudi government. >> yes. fascinating conversation. thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. coming up, what was donald trump doing for 187 minutes swell a dangerous mob breached the capitol? the select committee is about to find out. this is velshi. ttee is abou to find out. this is velshi progressive gets you right back to living the dream. now, where were we? [ cheering ] kids, one year they want back to school on amazon. now, where were we? you sure that's not a camel? yeah. the house select committee

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investigating january 6th as looking ahead to its eight public hearing. said that take place in primetime, this coming thursday. the panels last-ditch of presentation of evidence against former president trump, focused on the 187 minutes

during which she did nothing to stop the insurrection at the capitol. thursday's hearing comes just over a week after the last public hearing, hauling did all the role of extremist groups like the proud boys and the oath keepers ahead up and on january 6th. here is a key moment from congressman jamie raskin. >> trump's december 19th tweet motivated these two extremist groups, which have historically not work together to coordinate their activities. december 19th, 10:22 am, just hours after president trump's tweet. kellyanne makes the head of the florida worth keep workers they cleared an alliance among those keepers, that proud boys on the florida three percenters, another militia group. he wrote we have decided to work together and shut this blank down. >> it does not end there. here's what else we learned this week. secret service is messing task message from january 6th and january 6th up the department

of homeland security's and tonal watchdog, asked for records of electronic communications from around the insurrection. committee vice chair liz cheney revealed in her closing statement on tuesday, the former president tried to call a witness, we have not seen in the public hearings yet. to which she warned the general public, do not interfere with witnesses. while the culmination of the panels evidence against donald trump approaches, trump himself continues to ramp up his fundraising ahead of a possible announcement of another presidential run. joining me now is -- former acting is just an attorney general for the national security. -- then collins and a new senior reporter who has been tracking the are online activity, of extremist groups and conspiracy theorists. quite the beat for ben. mary, what does the secret service deleting taxed from that day signal from the january six committee? we'll get they be trying to hide? also, can the committee get

them back? >> well i'm, it is quite a coincidence that these two critical days happened to be the days that the tax or missing. and of course what we are hearing is that this was some sort of plan to technological rollout of new phones and had nothing to do with the leading text for any purposes. that's with the committee will get to the bottom of. there were some conflicting information nothing from dhs about whether the tax that they are seeking actually remain available. i think that's what we will be seeing now that the subpoena has been issued. it could be they are available. even if they were removed and deleted from those phones. i am not a technical expert, you need to talk to one but as we all, know seems to me that in this day in age, almost nothing is ever gone for good. it is usually retrievable, all i think it'll be a lot of efforts to get those tax. >> right in, band-aid specter general says this matches were deleted after he asked for them

which is critical. a spokesman for the secret service however says it was a preplanned three-month system migration. it began in january 2021, included resetting mobile phones factory settings. isn't a coincidence? what is your suspicion here? and you know if you of the committee, how much time you essentially spent looking for this stuff? that is at it and form for you what you don't already know? it and form forhypothetically i think it's hypothetically possible that you know many things like that could happen. and any corporation, you can delete stuff as a part of a planned thing. probably try to save things from january six you know, that when the insurrection happened and all of your people who are driving the president around. probably a thing you want to save. i think there's a much larger problem here with the secret service. they are acting in the public

eye in a very shady way. let's be real about this. they were working on back runner off the record with a bunch of news organizations to try and discredit 25-year-old woman who is under oath. a few weeks ago, now they're doing this. for some reason, a lot of people took on backgrounder off of the record source of a second hand account of the secret service. they took their word over the 25 law women under oath. there is something going on there in terms of how people deal with sources and not people deal with beltway stuff. so look i would just say that trusting them implicitly anymore, they are pretty secret service here. i think if you trust them in pleasantly, now you will want problems. you have to do the old journalistic added choke. if your mother says she loves you, check it out. i think that is what we will do in secret service from now on. >> fair enough, i just my mother but i will check it out. mary, i want to talk to about

what seems to be as pretty significant development. i want your take on it. first time the justice department has taken the position that former advisers to former presidents don't have absolute testimonial immediately. but then they can form some form of qualified immunity and i can get wait for other factors. in essence, that means mark meadows limited immunity is not enough to block the january six committee from compelling up to testify. that's how i read it. how you read it and has ignition is this doj ruling? >> well what significant, this is the change of position for the department that has persisted throughout many administrations. this idea of absolute privilege by high-level white house advisers is not just something that occurred during the trump administration. it predates that the legal counsel opinions have taken that position for many administrations. many of us outside of

government, i was in the apartment for a long time but i had been out for five years. many legal analysts and lawyers such as myself and my team i've never really believe there is such an absolute privilege. almost all privileges are qualified and can be outweighed by significant government interest. i think hero we see is that the pardon has reconsidered that position. i would note as well on this was a key feature of it it is not a request to speak to mark meadows while he is still in the white house. while he is still a government employee working for the president. he is now a former high-level government official. that also changes the calculus. >> right and then this week we saw testimony from former employees of the oath keepers, and he pleaded guilty to breaching the capitol. i make the case more than any other reporter nationality, you are steeped into these communities.

what was the reaction to that testimony? do they disavow the sky or are they turning on him? >> oh yes, they don't pay attention to these hearings. they dispose of people the second that they see the light and you know turning to regular people again instead of militiamen. they did not even reference this person. what they do is try to find little myths and the system where they can discredit the whole hearing by finding little sentences are stuff they don't like. that is what they did with cast of the actions. if nothing, if everything is on the up enough they did not mention the hearings. the proud boys this week were fully focused on trans events throughout the country still. a lot of people thought that was their pride month thing where they're trying to attack lgbtq rights are at the country by going to like drag queens story hours trying to get school board shut down. not the case. that is what they are still focused on within the proud boys right now. they are focused on donald

trump, i would say purely transactional at this point. if he is their guy in 2024, it's because he's the guy playing to them the most. they don't really pay attention to us unless they have to. >> all right mary mccord thank you so, much ben collins great to see you still emotionally there while you are on this beat. thank you for joining us, i appreciate it. all right still ahead, numerous reports of civilian deaths in ukraine. a recent must -- killed nearly two dozen ukrainians. including three children under the age of ten. we will take you to the scene next. e age of ten e age of ten we next

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joining me now is nbc -- 's in the city of tennis here where the actual blast took place. ali, a lot of the destruction in the city where you are. what is going on and what more are you learning about the lives that were lost? >> hi sam, three missiles at the town center here. one of those missiles created this crater here, the missile weighed 1.7 tons. the force of the blast was so big sam, a completely destroyed this building behind me. and as you mentioned, it killed 23 people, dozens more were injured. some of them were in critical condition. and the vast majority of people who were killed were women and children going about their daily lives. and as you mentioned, one of those children was elissa, a four-year-old girl with down syndrome. on her way to speech therapy class with their mother. we spoke to a lady who owns a

house opposite this building, she came running out of her house after the rocket hit this town center. she was confronted with lisa's lifeless body. let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> when i went out, i saw a terrible picture. there was this child with a baby carriage. i cannot express what i saw with words. >> sam, we spoke to a family friend of lisa's mother, she is in hospital right now and critical condition. she has just gained and apparently, she keeps asking the doctors what has happened to her little girl. the doctors have not told her that she has died because they are scared the shocker just might lead to much for her. i also spoke to the owner of a medical center back, here as that you know what i think the russians that this?

he said they wanted to send a message to ordinary ukrainians that no patch of this country is safe. that they want to break them around but he told me, it will just stiffened their resolve. >> just about the worst possible story. and d.c. ali ruzycki in ukraine, thank you. thank you so much. after that, break i will talk to ukrainian political leader who is trying to make sure americans don't forget the war raging on in her country. ountry that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right? [whistling] (vo) right now america deserves the network more people rely on. introducing welcome unlimited from verizon.

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months of gruesome bloodshed and killing in ukraine. this week, the international community doubled down on his position that moscow has committed various war crimes. the organization for security cooperation in europe, the osce issue an report outlining russia's atrocities in ukraine.

they say that the violent acts meet a qualifications of crimes against humanity. one member of ukrainian parliament does not believe this will help the country win the war. yesterday, kyra rudik tweeted, quote, we don't need only words of support from europe, give us more heavy weapons to protect our citizens! kyra rudik joins me now. she's a leader of the party in ukraine's parliament. she is in washington d.c. right now. she has been for the last few days. she is trying to sure up support for ukraine. thank you so much for joining us. you are here in the united states meet with leaders of several organization throughout washington. who have you met with? what do you hope to achieve while you are here in the united states? >> hello, thank you so much for having me. my country appreciates bipartisan support from both parties of the united states. i am meeting congressmen and women from both sides.

i am meeting with various organizations that are helping out in three major directions. the first one is to acknowledge russia as a country that sponsors terrorism. secondly, the freezing of the russian assets. they are sending the back to the ukraine. taxpayers should not be paying for putin's crimes. the united states have enough money seized and frozen to actually cover all of the expenses that you guys are spending on the weapons that you are spending to us. you are sending money to support ukraine. this is extremely important. this process will start. it will be successful. this is why i am working with my colleagues on this. the third and extremely important one is to get more weapons to ukraine. and you have seen how well we are doing with the new high precision air systems.

we are fighting russians back from our territory. you see it right now. you can see how cruel and absolutely heartless they are. they are attacking civilians and killing people. can you even imagine? these people are just working on the streets. they are sitting on the homes. they're going to their shopping malls. you are waking up in the morning and do not know what will happen at the end of the day. you cannot feel safe at any single place in the ukraine. this is terrifying. this is why we need to win this war. we need to make sure that we get back to the peaceful living. we didn't do anything wrong. we did not do anything to provoke this. we were a democratic country. we have been brutally attacked. you have seen the atrocities that russian soldiers are committing in ukraine. they are killing people just for the sake that they exist. it is for the reason that we

are there. what is that if it is not genocide? >> during a conference at the international criminal court, these issues were discussed and debated. 45 nations pledged to work together to investigate war crimes by russia. the issue, of course, the international criminal court does not have a pleasing force or the power to make arrests. it cannot bring people in. are you hopeful, do you believe that the international institutions can meet a moment that you are describing? is it as simple as saying, we need more weapons? is that that? >> we are working closely with international institutions. with the legal help to make sure that at some point russians will be prosecuted for their crimes, we are an

organization that provides humanitarian aid. let's make it clear. let's not lie to ourselves. if we do not win this war, if we do not have weapons. the war will continue. we will need more and more help. how long can we ask for this help for? the goal, the foremost goal is to win the war. for that, we need money. this is why i am here. it is to make sure that we are using russian money not u.s. money for that. we need weapons. this is why i am here. we cannot fight russians without heavy weapons that we require from our alliance. thirdly, we need sanctions. victory in this war is the first and foremost goal. the rest is the supporting process that we are grateful for. they will be absolutely useless if the war will continue. >> all right. karen rudik, thank you so much.

good luck here and in the united states. >> thank you. >> right after the break, opinions are split on whether the robb elementary school surveillance video should have been released early. for better or west, we know exactly what happened on that terrible day. the details are coming up next. on tha terrible day the details are coming up next as a business owner, your bottom line is always top of mind. so start saving by switching to the mobile service designed for small business: comcast business mobile. flexible data plans mean you can get unlimited data or pay by the gig. all on the most reliable 5g network

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obstructed look at what happened inside of robb elementary school in uvalde, texas. police responded to that mass shooting on may 24th. local news outlet, the austin american statement, i made the decision to release a surveillance video from inside of the school. it shows footage from a single hallway. this is from when the gunman entered the school up until officers confronted and killed him over 70 minutes later. the decision made by these journalists to share this video sparked backlash from local officials who wanted to unveil the video themselves just days later. texas governor greg abbott's office released the following statement. quote, governor abbott is disheartened and disappointed that this video was leaked before the victims families and the uvalde community could see it. that was most affected by this tragedy did not have the opportunity to view it first. the government has been clear since day one that they expect all informations around any tragedy at robb elementary school to be released.

we do appreciate that the uvalde community is getting answers. it is worth noting that the investigation into this tragedy has been a categorical mess. stories have changed, narratives have been proven false. the police department, local officials, it is very clear now that they provided misleading or false information. that being said, joining me now is a journalist who obtained this secret footage and shared it. i hope i pronounce your name right. this is the investigative reporter for the austin american-statesman. tony, thank you so much for joining me. look, let's be honest, some folks in the uvalde community were just not happy that this video was published early. you and your leadership at the paper have defended that decision. you pointed to the struggle to get into the truce, to get the truth about the shooting. your paper says, quote, the truth always wins, maybe not on our clock, but the truth always prevails. tell us about the decision-making process that allow you to release this video. >> certainly, i can assure you

that this is not an easy one. it is not one that we took lightly. as a journalist, i am sure that you can relate to this, we often have to weigh and balance the wishes of the families and their feelings and grief. we have to weigh that with the larger public and their right to know. it is public interest in this case. when you look at the video, we see dozens of police officers failing to act over an extended period of time. one of the major considerations that we had, if there is one thing that we could do to shed light on what happened on that day, if we could that have authorities and others use it to possibly stop something like this from happening again, we had a duty to the public and to the citizens of this country to

bring that information forward. that is what we did. >> tony, a quick follow-up on this, did you get, did the paper get any pre publication pressure from elected officers or officials to not go ahead with this? >> certainly there have been calls in the days leading up leading to our publication of the video. the governor, the night before, he said that he supported the release of the video. i have to be honest with you, after it was released, the mayor of uvalde expressed very deep resistance to what we did. at the same time, i think it is important to note that only days earlier he too had called for the release of the video. >> yeah. i mean, i guess the substance of the video is more important in the process by which it was released. it is to me.

you told the local tv station that the one thing that this video does not explain is why, why authorities addressed the tragedy this way to the families, why they didn't handle the issue differently or in realtime. the video gives us a snapshot of what was happening. will we ever really get to the answer of why? that is the big question, right? >> again, i think that the video is so vital. it absolutely underscores. we are able to see it with our own eyes. we can hear it with our own ears what was happening during that more than an hour. to your point, and this is a point that we have made here as well, we still don't really know the thought process among the officers who were in that hallway. we, you know, have not been able to walk in their shoes

sort of speak. i think that most of that will come from testimony that they have provided to bowl law enforcement investigators as well as a house committee but has been investigating the shooting. hopefully tomorrow, when the preliminary report from that house committee is released, it will in fact contain additional information about the mindset of those officers who were on the ground and in the hallway that day. >> was there anything on the video that surprised you, that you had not known before? >> sam, i actually had an opportunity to view this video about three weeks ago. once i had a chance to actually obtain the video, i was largely familiar with the content. yes, i think there are many haunting images in this video. well we have spent so much time,

and i think it is rightly so, we have been talking about the law enforcement response, one of the most haunting images is the site of a man walking down the hall of an elementary school in our country armed with an ar-15. >> yeah. you can't phrase any better than that. tony plohetski, i hope i pronounce that correctly, thank you so much for joining us. >> you got it. >> thank you for your work on this incredibly important story. that does it for me. thank you for watching. i will be back here tomorrow assuming that the producers let me back in. from 8 am to 10 am eastern, we are filling in for the singularly great ali velshi. we will be back very soon, don't worry. the cross connection with tiffany cross begins right about now. begins right about now.

all right, good morning everyone welcome to the cross connection. i'm of course tiffany cross and just when you think you have heard about everything, something new comes out about tyrannical trump and his merry band of insurrectionist. that makes you grateful that somehow democracy managed to prevail. now late friday, the january six committee subpoenaed the secret service for a tax and other records tied to the insurrection after a land that the circuit service a race tanks vestiges from january six. another day before and that the messages were erased after the department of homeland security inspector general requested communications relating to the insurrection. the secret service says the tax were more maliciously delete, it noted they had been quote fully cooperating with the inspector general in every respect. put according to january six committee, jamie raskin, the fat lady is not some yet. take a listen. >> it is an alarming thing to learn