special salute to my friends in california getting up extra early to tune in. that is the show for today. be sure to tune in next saturday. stay tuned. my friend has the latest. alex, hello. >> hi. my mom is in los angeles. just so you know. there you have it. >> thank you. i love it. >> you know what, i love the fact that you are speaking like me. how cool is the james webb telescope? >> so cool. so cool. i don't even understand how these images are getting back to us. i love it. >> i know. i always talk and think, how does that happen? i am glad it is happening. i'm glad to see you. see you next week. have a good one. >> thank you. same to you. next week. have a good one. >> thank you same to you. meantime, very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. the game with new developments on the january six investigation. overnight, the house committee issued a subpoena to the secret service after homeland security

official told the panel that they raised text messages from the day of the capitol attack and the day before. we have new reaction from a congressman this morning. >> the odds of these texts being deleted that they are not the same odds that someone was audited by the irs randomly. >> the committee is gearing up for the final hearing on thursday. we have more on that in just a moment. also new today, growing frustration among democrats after senator joe manchin once again pulled up log on a climate, energy, and tax package. that is the latest here for the party. a tried for months to pass a slimmed down reconciliation bill that would require support from all 60 senate democrats. we now head overseas. joe biden -- this is his first trip to the middle east as commander-in-chief. they met with leaders in the region. they met with the saudi crowned prince, mohammed bin salman al saud. the president soul shared vail

veiled criticism of the saudi ruler. >> you always protect the rights and values and shine in the un charter. these are foundational to who we are as americans. it is in our dna. citizens can question and criticize leaders without fear of reprisal. i've gotten plenty of criticism over the years. it is not fun. the ability to speak openly and exchange ideas freely is what unlocks innovation. >> joining us now is nbc's carol lee. she is in jeddah, saudi arabia. julie adjusters joining us from the capitol. we are going to start with you, what are we hearing from the president today about his controversial meetings from the saudi crown prince? >> alex, those meetings began with this fist pump that has drawn a lot of criticism on what was already a highly criticized trip to saudi arabia. the president is coming under fire from a number of democrats

from his own party. he's under fire from human rights activists and others who think that this trip is a bad idea. most notably, it is because of saudi arabia's, and most notably mohammed bin salman al saud, according to u.s. intelligence, he is responsible for the murder of a u.s. journalist, jamal khashoggi. having his meeting with the crown prince, the president said he brought this up directly right from the start. take a listen. >> with respect to the murder of jamal khashoggi the, i raised at the top of the meeting. i made it clear when i thought of it at the time. i made it clear when i think of it now. >> or the crowned prince's responses to your comments about jamal khashoggi? >> he basically said that he was not personally responsible for it. i indicated that i thought he was. >> not part of the end where the president said he indicated he thought the crown prince was

responsible for it, that is something that the saudi officials are disputing. they said it did not go that way. they're also saying, alex, that the crowned prince pushed back on the president. hey, the u.s. has made mistakes as well. they regret the murder of jamal khashoggi. the crown prince says he is not responsible for it. again, it contradicts u.s. intelligence. he said they had a bit of a back and forth. the crown prince pushed back more. after what the president cut out of this trip, he took a lot of criticism for it, he got an extension from the saudis on this truce in yemen. he got the saudis to agree to open up airspace to flights, this includes flight from israel. that is seen as a step for normalization between saudi arabia and the israelis. there is also oil. he got something out of this. we will see what that is in several weeks. gas prices will go down as a result. there are no details on that, alex. i have to say that this is the

thing that americans were really looking for most. what is gonna happen with those gas prices? the president is on his way back to the united states. he will have to answer that question in the coming days and weeks. >> all right. we'll be answering that question. carol lee, thank you so much for that. from there to capitol hill, that is where the january six committee has issued a subpoena to the secret service. it is over missing text messages from january 5th and sixth. we are joined now live from the capitol. julie, this is the committee's first public subpoena to an executive branch agency. what exactly are they looking for? what do we expect to happen? >> that is right. alex, the secret service text messages are highly sought after. it was revealed that they were arranged for those critical days of january 5th and sixth. this week, this secret service said in a statement that those messages were erased as part of a, quote, device replacement program. it caused some data to be lost.

the secret service also says that the department of homeland security inspector general, the messages they were seeking, they were not part of what was lost in that system migration. on friday, the dhs inspector general briefed all nine committee members of the january six committee on this issue. as you mentioned, just hours later, the chairman issued a subpoena to the secret service. this is the first they have done for the executive branch agency. the subpoena said, quote, they are looking for the relevant text messages as well as any other things that have been issued in any and all divisions of the secret service that pertain or relate to the events of january 5th and sixth. here's what jeanne raskin said just hours before the subpoena was issued. >> as of right now, what we know is that there was

representation that text messages were deleted on the fifth and sixth. there seem to be some contradictory representations of that. we need to get some -- if the tests are gone, we are trying to find them. >> they think the messages were raised. they are not technically gone forever. they will fight to get access to that correspondence. in other subpoena news, the justice department ruled for the first time that, they took the position that the former advisers to the president to not have absolute testimonial immunity in the filing over nine doj. that is in the case of mark meadows. he sued the january six committee after they subpoenaed him for documents and testimony. they ruled that the committee has shown a need for his testimony. he does not have immunity to that because he was an adviser to the former president.

their committee is in a race against time to access all of this information. whether it is the secret service messages or the testimony and documents from mark meadows. it is heading into its second primetime hearing this thursday night. it is the eighth one. it could be the last one. committee members have hinted that they are not quite done yet. there are scrambling to get all of this information ahead. they want to be ahead of the final report in the fall. >> talk about primetime tv on thursday. we will be talking about that. thank you julia, you are live in the capital. joining me now is illinois congressman, this is raja krista moore the. he is also a member of the house committee on the coronavirus. thank you, it is good to have you here. let's first talk about these deleted service texts. do you believe that this is part of a system overhaul i.d.

-- how critical is it that agents be brought in to reconstruct these messages? >> i do think it is important given the testimony of cassidy hutchinson. given the testimony of what the secret service said on to the president. he had a physical interaction with the secret service that day. we absolutely need to know what is in those text messages. we need to know any other communications between secret service members. >> yeah. i should think so. absolutely. what about the next hearing? you heard us setting it up there. it is going to show that donald trump did nothing. he just wants to the attack on tv well capitol police officers were under assault. lawmakers and elected officials were really fearful. they were wondering what the heck was going to happen next. they are inside the chamber.

how damaging will this primetime hearing before donald trump? >> there is going to be a lot of explaining to do. the capitol police and the metropolitan police, in a dire an urgent phone call to the head of the national guard and the acting secretary of defense, chris miller, they specifically requested that the national guard be set to quell insurrection. they basically put down the protesters and minors that day. for 187 minutes, they did nothing. around 2:00 that day, president trump criticized mike pence. he questioned his courage and lack of will. at that point, insurrectionists actually quoted from that tweet. only two hours later he went home and told him he loved him. the damage had been done. hundreds of officers had

already been hurt. people were basically last for dead in some cases. he has a lot of explaining to do. we need to know why exactly the national guard was not set for 187 minutes. >> the committee is not ruling out it. we believe this is the last of the group. is there more to be shared more hearings? do you think americans are consuming all of these facts are being presented? >> i think that a lot of people are paying attention. the reason why is very simple. i think the committee has done an excellent job of allowing republicans and advisers to president trump to basically testify freely. this is in person or through deposition testimony. this is much watch tv. there is nothing like having people who are on the inside

telling us what is going on. these are not liberal democrats. these are former adviser to president trump. in many cases, they are -- they detailed what happened, but the timeline, who said what. they provided insight into donald trump's state of mind. that is important -- >> they were in the room where it happened. it has been fascinating to listen to their testimony. we have the former president, he has spoke with new york magazine. he has made a decision on running for the white house in 2024. the big decision is whether to announce before after the midterms. what is your reaction to that? how do you think the january 6th investigation will impact another white house bid by donald trump? >> i don't know.

i think that donald trump is always for donald trump. he may be making calculations about the timing. this is based on what he is seeing happening with the january six committee and the doj. either way, if he does decide to run, there will be a clear choice for voters in the 2022 elections. do we elect someone who is part of a party that is headed by a man in the 2020 election? he thought it was regular political discourse. he will likely spend much of the next two years basically continuing to try to impeach people, try to go after hunter biden and other frivolous manners. we have to remind him about the choice. the choice becomes very clear at that point when you are thinking about who you want to

elect. quite frankly, i think it is people who -- >> let me just say that nobody in their right mind thinks this is normal political discourse. >> let's put it that way. >> absolutely. >> for most of us, this is a very personal matter. it is 200 feet from my office window. we are still don't know who made a bomb, who planted the bomb. we don't know how many people could have died if that bomb had gone off were it not for the quick action of the capitol police. they removed it and refused it. for a lot of us, this is a fight for our democracy. it is also for justice and accountability for that day. >> it is personal. i mean, i can't even imagine what that is like for you to recall that. you came close to something much worse than what you

already had to experience on that day. that is congressman raja krishnamoorthi. the word that is on everybody's mind this week, will get worse before it gets better? >> has inflation really hit that maximum level yet? >> inflation. >> inflation. >> inflation hit a 40 year high. >> inflation. >> inflation. >> we hope it is the peak. on >> we hope it is the peak. >> we hope it is the peak. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.

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not been this high in 40 years, according to the latest consumer price index. inflation increase to 9.1% in june and over last year. prices are surging on every day items like groceries. the average cost for a dozen eggs is up 95 cents, chicken is up 83 cents, and brett is up 31 cents. joining me now is the chief economist for -- welcome. i'm glad to see that smile. what we're talking about is just really tough.

what is behind the rising cost for pretty much everything? how high might they go >> you know, what's fascinating about the inflation is not only how high it is but how it has shifted overtime. at first inflation was driven by those hard-hit industries like airlines and hotels. then it shifted to the supply chain shortages, semiconductors, -- then it shifted again to energy and food prices, tied to geopolitical conflict in the ukraine, with the china lockdown, and now it's shifting again. this is this is -- medical care. that's much more of a core part of the household budget. we see this shift play out overtime. it is concerning for the white house in the federal reserves. >> a lot of those other things previously, people didn't necessarily have to buy a car, they didn't necessarily have to travel.

but you need your groceries. you need to pay your rent. you're making a really good point. despite all the skyrocketing prices, retail sales rose by more than 1%. that's a lot lower than expected. what does that tell? you >> it tells us two things. number one, consumers are still spending so that's good news. but the second thing which is more hidden is that they're not spending as much as you think. a lot of that spending is nominal, it is not adjusted for inflation. so they're paying more for the same stuff. we're not seeing a big increase in their spending for goods and services, they're just paying more for them. that's a direct line of fire from the inflation to the consumer pocketbook. that's with the industry is seeing right now when it goes to the stores and biggest stations. >> let's talk about the president, who he talked, about the june economic report, saying the data doesn't actually reflect the full impact of 30 days of decreases and gas prices. do you agree with that? >> we have seen gas prices come

down considerably over the last few weeks. that ties back to my earlier comment, that inflation is shifting. it is shifting around all the different sectors of the economy. we will likely see less of an energy impact in the next read. it is gonna take longer for food prices to come down. they were up by the highest year over year percentage since 1979. there should be some relief this fall. but those core things, rents, medical, care are persistent, and their longer term. so this is a moving component story with inflation. it is not going to be, it's a month to month change that we have to keep track of. >> what about wages? things have steadily gone up over the last year, they are slowing down, now political that's importing that could help to bring down prices and less strain for the average worker. you wrote a report on u.s. wage

growth -- is this how you see it also? >> i think that's the conundrum of a tight labor market in the midst of inflation. real wages for the average worker are actually down 3.6% from a year ago. so main street is not keeping, up it's not even treading water when it comes to inflation. despite all the news about wage increases and the hot market, people leaving their jobs and finding better jobs, it is not turning out to improving the buying power of the general family. >> do you see indicators that the u.s. could be on the verge of a recession? >> we are seeing some weakening in the economy. i think inflation is a big driver that has back eventuallyn the midst of inflation. consumer savings have gone down, but families are still bending

on a mountain of savings because of all the federal relief that came over the past two years. it is a tense time for the economy. there is nothing completely scripted right now. there is not a short thing towards recession. if we can get inflation down, over the next 6 to 9 months, there are some fundamentals that suggests the economy can skip through into a better position. >> buckle up everyone. very good to talk to you. thanks for the chat. come see me again. a new turn in the big dispute over the text messages of the secret and services, plus the expectations building over the next. . building over the building over the next and what better way of spending time than traveling, continuing to educate ourselves and broaden our minds?

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ukraine. we have new video from russian officials. it shows an attack on the southern ukrainian city of -- nbc news is not able to verify when or where this video was taken. russia claims that it hit a

weapons manufacturing facility. ukraine officials say that the plant built space rockets and satellites. we also got this new video from ukrainian emergency services. they say it shows a russian strike on a warehouse in odessa. nbc news is getting a firsthand look at damage from the russian attack. that is where at least 23 people, including a four-year-old little girl were killed in a russian attack on thursday. ali is joining me now live from ukraine. ali, welcome to you. what are you seeing there? it looks like a bunch of destruction to you. >> yes. that's right. three missiles hit this active center here. each one of those missiles weighed about 170 times. you can see the otter carnage that it has caused here. the damage that was done here was not by a direct hit. the missile that did this damage landed 50 or 60 feet in front of me on the road. this was from the blast force.

about 24 people have been killed, dozens more have been injured. very serious injuries. that burns, limbs blown off, pieces of shrapnel in them. this is what remains of a medical center where people were bringing their children, their families. they were coming here for a checkup. we had an opportunity to talk to the owner of this medical center. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> you can watch the people who died. the rest are women and children, two or three men. i want to go on. we have 24 killed. i want to go home, but this amount might be even bigger. a lot of people are in crucial situations in the hospital. more than 140 people. they needed medical help. i am a doctor myself. i was an intensive care doctor. we are getting all of these

people to different hospitals. we are trying to find, to recognize, to help. we are unfortunately having to bury our colleagues. >> alex, the blast was so big that a car was blown into this medical center. part of the tragedy, alex, this place was really far from the front lines. people had escaped those front lines to seek safety here in vinnytsia. they did not find any safety whatsoever. amongst the dead with that little girl whose video we have seen. her family had escaped from kyiv to come here for safety. there was another little boy who was an eight year old boy. he was in a car outside. he got burned to death in the car. they had escaped the war torn kherson region. somebody here told me, i asked them, well, why would the russians do this? they said they wanted to send a message to ukrainian civilians. no path of their country is safe. they want them to capitulate to the russians by doing this. he told me that this will only

strengthen their resolve. >> yeah. more on the russian campaign of terror. it is absolutely heartbreaking to see those photos and the description of that eight year old boy. ali, thank you for bringing it to us. i don't know how you do it sundays. we will see you again. >> let's go now to the latest developments in the january 6th investigation, the committee has subpoenaed the secret service over there missing text messages related to the capitol riot. this comes after a newly-released letter to congressional committee is revealed that the secret service erased text messages from both january 5th and sixth, 2021. the department of securities internal watchdog requested the weather records. the agency says that the text messages went missing after a systemwide tech migration. joining me now is a congressional reporter for the guardian. hugo, good to see you. let's take a look at the new article. you pointed out that this is the first subpoenas issued to an executive branch agency.

what prompted the committee to make this move? how could these missing tax messages effect the investigation? >> it came hours after that dhs inspector general briefed members on friday morning. it was quite an interesting briefing. from what i understand, recording amount importing, the inspector general said that the story an explanation, the secret service gave him a reason as to why these text messages were lost or raised. it kept changing. it was not because there was a software update. no, it wasn't a software update. it was replacement devices that got lost in the transfer. that kind of procured the committee. they told us light panel that the secret service did not want to do the review. they jeopardized him to do it.

when he started -- they started to stonewall the investigation by stonewalling the evidence. they saw all of this together. they decided that they really had to get the materials into their files. that was late last night. >> i want to talk about the father missing. it is messages between a secret service agents, that is what they're looking at, right? is that normal protocol for secret service agents? is that how they usually communicate when at work? >> we are just not sure. i think that there are elements of conversation between secret service agents. as i understand it, there are also communications between officials atop and the secret service. i think the committee is still trying to establish what

y s been lost and for how many days in january. either way, these text messages and communications could be very key. january five, the day before the capitol attack, the secret service was still trying to finalize their plans for trump and pence. there was some confusion as to whether or not trump was gonna go to the capitol or not. they did not know what pence was going to do. on january six itself, there was even more confusion. trump was going to the capitol. we have this cassidy hutchinson testimony about him desperately wanting to go. meanwhile, mike pence, is he going to get into the vehicle and leave the capitol? there is so much confusion. i think that the select committee wants these text messages as a baseline to establish what was the secret service intention that day. >> you can see why they want him. >> let's move to tuesday's hearing. it featured that new sit-down hearing with pat cipollone. what was most significant about his testimony? are we going to hear more from him on thursday? >> look, passive lonely was

there in the room for that crazy 18th of december 2020 meeting. it was between trump and these external advisers, patrick burn, sydney powell, and michael flynn. he told the former president that you could make sydney powell a special counsel, but it would be a terrible idea. passive lonely was also in the room leading up to january 6th. he told the former president at his ideas about overturning the election in trying to pressure pence to throw the election to the house, all of these things would be unlawful. when you have a white house counsel -- all these efforts to overturn the election or potentially illegal. the former president does not adhere to those warnings. we start to lay the groundwork for the doj to potentially prosecute him. look, we caught you and willful denial of the fact that you had lost the election. the fact that you knew what you were doing was unlawful. that is really important for the select committee and for

the justice department. >> if what is being dangle this apostle billet-y, if further hearings in august were to happen, what more those the committee have to share after the hearing on thursday? >> the thing that committee members stressed to me is that this is still an ongoing investigation. we have this initial set of hearings. it is primarily there to introduce the public to the multi faceted elements of trump's plan to overturn the results of the election. it scratches the surface. we really have not gone into the details of a lot of these plans. we have not got into the details of the different but -- there are the far-right extremist groups that stormed the capitol. they were trying to -- their people like michael flynn, roger stone. now they have introduced these broad concept of the public, the public as general awareness of what january six was all about. in a second set of hearings, they might be able to go deeper into the evidence and really

kind of flash those connections out. both the american public, and also for the justice department. >> i was gonna say, yes, merrick garland should be listening closely. hugo, always listening to you. thank you so much, good to see you. coming up next, a sweltering summer of record breaking heat. there is the physical danger of going without air conditioning. nger o going without air conditioning going without air conditioning it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling] ever leave your clothes in the dryer and find a wrinkled mess? s so soft, wrinkles don't want to stick around. make mornings smoother with downy wrinkle guard fabric softener. now today's other top stories.

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ruled an accident by medical examiners due to blunt impact injuries to her torso. the first wife of former president trump and mother to his three eldest children was found on a staircase in herman hatton home on thursday. she was pronounced dead. she was 73 years old. -- a lawsuit claims that over 500 women in multiple states were harassed, sexually assaulted, raped and kidnapped by drivers and that uber was made aware of the incidents as early as 2014, but allow drivers to continue. uber has not comment on the loss. but has said it has been more transparent about serious incidents. and six people are dead in montana after a dust storm field by wind gust caused a massive pileup. 21 vehicles crashed -- with officials don't have an immediate count yet of the number of people injured. let's go from there to the

scorching summer heat stretching across the u.s.. southern plains, factoring in the humidity, it will feel a thought of the hundred and ten degrees. phoenix will's hit a whopping 114 degrees. high temperatures are heating triggering heat alerts across 19 states and impacting 17 million people. -- nbc's priscilla thompson is in san antonio. one of the cooler spots i'm guessing along the beautiful river walk. it's good to see you. priscilla, the state is working to avoid the overwhelming electrical grid risk that it has that could spark similar outages, similar to those in 2021. why is this still look uncertain? when lessons learned about the vulnerability of the texas paragraph? >> right alex. part of the concern in this situation is that some of the projections were off. energy officials here were not projecting to hit this very

high demand until august. they expected that was going to be peak demand for the texas energy grid. but instead, we already hit that peak demand earlier this month. in fact, this week there was record-breaking demand on the power system. so much so, that ercot had to ask people to conserve energy on monday and wednesday afternoon, telling them to turn those thermostats up a couple of degrees and not run those large appliances, because there may not have been enough energy left in the reserves in order to ensure that people did not have to deal with blackouts and power outages. ercot did say that we will not see systemwide outages and we have not seen that. to your point, it's still a concern for many people here, particularly those who lived through february 2021 winter freeze, and the other concern with that is that for people who did not lose power during that incident, many of them received astronomical electric

bills. so now we are hearing from the top doctor in houston that there is a concern for people who are on the-limited income, and maybe trying to cut down on that electricity bill, and look at that mean in terms of their health. as we go through this incredible heat. take a listen to what the city of houston's top doctor told us. >> as we get further on in the summer, i'm really worried about elder folks. with the price of electricity going up as high as it has, i'm fearful we are gonna have more people who are afraid of running the requisitioning because of the cost. i'm bracing for what may be an awful end of summer interns or heat illnesses because people can't afford to render air conditioners. >> i should point, out last month, there was an nfl player here in dallas that died in his apartment from heatstroke. that is a very real concern, especially as we make our way into the month of august, which will allow likely be even hotter than this already record

hit setting month of july. alex. >> i was told by brandon, 86 degrees where you are right now, but my friend it is going up to about 100. so you drink your water as well. so it now appears to be a matter of when and not if donald trump will once again run for president. democrats reportedly hope he announces asap, but can the country stomach it? , but can th , but can th countrre the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford,y a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54, what's my price? you can get coverage for $9.95 a month. i'm 65 and take medications. also $9.95 a month. i just turned 80, what's my price?

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washington d.c. in the coming weeks for the first time since leaving office. this comes as new reports show that the former president is getting closer to potentially announcing another bid for the white house. politico is reporting that donald trump has quietly convened some of his wealthiest and highest profile supporters for intimate dinners in recent weeks. the groups of talk about his 2024 election plans. they have debated when he should make his expected comeback bag official. the washington post reports that an announcement may come as soon as this fall. it could potentially up in the midterms. joining me now to discuss it all is adrian elrod, a democratic strategist and former senior aide to the biden harris campaign. this is kurt bardella, adviser for the drc. good to see you. the washington post goes on to say that the former president is now eyeing as a temper announcement, according to two trump advisers, they spoke under the conditions of anonymity to describe private conversations. one confidant put the odds at

70 30 before the midterms. the other says he may decide to announce soon, or even in september. adrian, if he were to balance before the midterms, what kind of impact without having november? >> look, i have learned, alex, very well to never underestimate donald trump. here's a couple of reasons why i think him announcing before the midterms is not gonna be helpful to republicans, it is gonna be helpful to democrats. number one, we have not heard from donald trump in a while. he's not on twitter, he is not on social media. he is on his own silo social media channel. we are not hearing from him. i think a lot of americans have forgotten how erratic and frankly crazy he is. to have that contrast out there will be very helpful for the democrats. number two, he does not exactly have a great track record right now. a lot of his endorsement in the primaries and different states have not gone well. they have lost in multiple national policies. they are pulling from anywhere from 45 to 50%. the fact that he is a sitting incumbent and not able to

garner more support in his own potential primary speaks volumes. i think that, you know, is gonna be a distraction to the republicans. they don't want to have it. i think a lot of independents will be reminded just how crazy the republicans are. they will be more apt to support democrats. >> on top of those two points you just made, here is a third. this comes as we are also seeing support for trump in the republican party itself. it is waning. there is a poll from the new york times this week. it shows that 49% of republican primary voters say they vote for donald trump in the 24 gop primaries versus a combined 47% preferring someone else. they are focusing on political payback inside of his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to reclaim power after his 2020 defeat. mr. trump appears to only have deepened fault lines on republicans during his year long revenge tour. what do you make of that? house trump's television on revenge for 2020 hurt him in the party more than it has helped?

>> well, i mean, i feel like we could just go back to that georgia special election. we can show exactly how trump's revenge tour and his incessant need to re-litigate a free and fair election cost his party those senate seats. it is a plague it is going to replay itself if he decides to announce before the midterm elections. i think that police just talked about is the exact reason why he will. he has built in and idea that it is all about donald trump. the idea that there is any laps in his support drives him, a narcissist, completely crazy. the fact that ron desantis is rising and positioning himself to be the air apparent while donald trump is not ready to step off the stage, that also drives him crazy. that is why he jokes about announcing on one desantis's front lawn. that is how he is wired. if we have learned anything from past history, if there is a bad political decision to be made, but trump will make that decision because it is about himself. this is the october surprise. this is what they don't want to

see happen. >> there are some democrats that may welcome this news because they see trump as an easier to beat opponent. is that how you see it? do you think it is even more dangerous given what we are learning about everything? >> yes. i think it is still too early to tell. of course it is dangerous. donald trump in the oval office is the greatest threat to our democracy that we probably have in our nation's history. in that sense, it is dangerous. how does the january six hearing actually about his chances of getting reelected or becoming the republican nominee? that is still yet to be seen. again, donald trump is a damaged man. he became damaged after january six. he has become even more damage now. republicans have made multiple polls about this. they are ready for someone new. whether or not a person is ron desantis, whether it is somebody else, we still don't know. i don't think this is great for

him to be jumping in the race at this point. once you become a candidate, alex, you tend to go down in terms of support once you have announced -- your opponent or running out against you. they are spending money against you. and just surprise that he would get into this point. i guess i have learned not a lot. >> for a lot of us, it is that. do you think the timing could have anything to do with the january six committee hearings ramping up? they're providing some sort of cover for trump. >> it shouldn't, first of all. if the letter of the law says that he violated it if the evidence supports it, if law enforcement believe they have enough to charge him they should. that is regardless of what the politics of it is. that is how the law works. i do think that the fact he has had to spend weeks watching these january six committee hearings, and we know from

reporting that he has watched them all, kevin mccarthy made that decision to withdraw from the committee not had any members of his choosing on the committee, so trump has not had anyone out there defending him. but has really got to him. i think that has expedited his timeline. he is getting out in front of the camera again. these hearings, we are going to see the primetime one this coming thursday. they have been devastating. this is an area that has been able to be told without interruption. this is without the usual games and showmanship that we see. it is a unified message. it is driving donald trump crazy. >> adrian and kurt, good to see you guys. thanks to the chat. we will see you again soon. coming up next is a look back another time when gas prices were skyrocketing. they eventually dropped. after how long? you might cry when you see the price and drivers were paying. see the price and drivers were paying.

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from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome everybody to alex witt reports. the january 6th committee has subpoenaed the secret service, after homeland security told panel that the secret service erased text messages on the day of the capitol attack and the day