number. that is all the time i have for today, i am katie fang in for alicia menendez. i will see you there tomorrow morning at 7 am live for the katie phang show. bring me some coffee. but for now, a heading over to my colleague ayman weighty. hello a man. >> hey katie how are you i can't believe that you are able to pull a double duty like this and still be as upbeat as you are. i need some of your optimism. whatever that is. >> you've got, it anytime my friend. >> take care. good evening to you and welcome to ayman. coming up tonight subpoenas from the secret service and allegations of witness tampering. breaking down the new bombshells from the january six committee. plus, safeguarding democracy, the team of experts pushing back on his lies.

and google searches local information another data could now be used as evidence of a crime in states that are banning abortion i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> let's begin with the news that dropped in the dead of night from the january six committee. chairman bennie thompson has issued a subpoena to the secret service, requesting text messages and other records related to the capitol insurrection. , that subpoena, issued days after the committee learned that the secret service might have erased texts, from the january 5th, and january 6th, of 2021. now, after those messages were requested by the department of homeland security's inspector general. the secret service, claiming the messages were lost in a data migration but the agency has for decades, now been accused of destroying evidence, and evading congressional investigations. we will have more on that in,

just a moment. but news of the subpoena, following a jaw-dropping hearing from the committee, early in the week, including the revelation that trump's call, for his crowd to march to the capitol, was not a spur of the moment utterance but, rather, a draft made up, and a tweet, made days before the riot, and seen by trump. essentially, echoing that same sentiment. in part, saying, quote, massive crowds expected, march to the capitol after. so now, more evidence of trump's malicious intent. but he might have, actually, been planning for the riot. and then there is this last-minute bomb chair, from vice chair, liz cheney. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness, in our investigation. a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. that person declined to answer, or respond to president trump's call.

instead, alerted their lawyer to the call. their lawyer, alerted us. this committee has supplied that information, to the department of justice. nbc news reports that witness try to call, was not a white house support member who was in talks with the committee. and what is wild is this. so much has come out of these hearings, you may be forgiven you might be forgiven for forgetting that this isn't the first allegation of witness tampering from the committee in fact, last month, saying a witness had been encouraged. to, quote, be a team player, and stay on trump's good graces. even before the hearing started, trump suggested, multiple times, he may pardon those charged with insurrection related crimes, if he wins a second term. now, at the time, the member of the committee said, quote, absolutely, that is tampering with witnesses. let's discuss all of this, and more, with two former federal prosecutors, glenn kirschner,

and tyrrell lam, all nbc analysts, glenn i will start with you. how unusual is it that the secret service is served with the subpoena? >> it may be somewhat unusual that they are served with the subpoena, but it is not unusual that there is information they have that might be relevant to something congress is doing, or something the department of justice is doing. there has been, i will call it, a spotty history of robust compliance from the secret service here. let's share a quick story, ayman, and i think it qualifies as irony. when i was a federal prosecutor, in washington, you see that the u.s. attorney's office we often came in possession of cell phones as evidence in our criminal cases. it was not at all unusual, for information to have been deleted, by the owner of the cell phone before receives it is evidence. do you know we did with those cell phones? we didn't go down to quantico, and used a lab there, although

they do have great forensic services, we went to the united states secret service forensic sciences division to have them retrieve for us, what had been deleted off of cell phones. they are extremely adept at that. so, like you, i want to chuckle at this, but of course, it is so devastating, that there are text messages that would have shed significant light on what was going on, on january 5th, and sixth, particularly, down in that basement, with mike pence, who would not get into the car. he was telling the secret service, you can imagine, that would have generated some text messages. it is very disturbing that those messages have, somehow, mysteriously vanished. >> let me read between the lines of what you're saying. i don't want to put words in your mouth, but are you, simply, not buying that the data was lost as a result of migration of this information, to the phones?

again, i am a layman, i am not the secret service, have never worked in government. when i backup my phone, and buy a new iphone, i back it up two or three times, it's on automatic backup, just for that reason. i don't have anything important text messages of secret service agents. so, are you not buying that they, simply, just lost data migration? >> let me put it this way. i will trust what i can verify. i would be doing, precisely, with the j six committee would be doing. serving subpoenas, putting people under oath, getting them to testify, and frankly, upping the ante of putting secret service officers under oath, and putting mike pence under oath, if there is an absence of evidence that, otherwise, could have illuminated what was going on. >> fair enough. carol, as i mentioned, at the top, this is not the first time the secret service has been accused of hindering congressional investigations. in fact, on friday night, i spoke to washington, with the

washington post's kara lettig, who is one of the foremost experts on the secret service. she, literally, wrote the book on the agency. take a look at what she said. >> they have been accused, in the past, of destroying records, and to obstruct a congressional investigation. that is a long time going back now. when, in the 1980s, or congressionally investigative team was trying to understand how much the secret service had been warned, ahead of time, about assassination attempts, including the attempt that took the life of john f. kennedy. critical documents were, essentially, destroyed, weeks, or days, after investigators saw them. >> again, here, a similar mo maybe the messages the committee is seeking were, reportedly, deleted after the homeland security inspector general requested them. any cause of concern here, from your perspective? what does this tell you? >> a lot of cause for concern. what we don't know is whether this was incompetence, or lack of cooperation, or

obstructionism, or a bit of all three, or none. one of the problems with this new world occasions is that, sometimes, everybody has a different way of keeping their communications. whether that's at&t, or t-mobile, or verizon, each keeps text messages for a different length of time, and for not very long. but, i agree with what glenn says. there is definitely a problem here. that anyone who thinks, effectively, erased something is, probably wrong. there are many ways that these types of communications and up, actually, kept, even though the user doesn't know they are. what is distressing to me is that the whole office of the inspector general, seems to see a pattern of non cooperation by the secret service. that is disturbing to me, they've gone so far as to read a letter to the committee, saying they aren't getting cooperation. that is a problem. that is what i would keep an

eye on. >> glenn, let me ask you about this allegation of witness tampering. if the doj were to take up a case like this, what would be the threshold? what would be required for them to prove, actual, witness tampering? >> first, the all but failed to connect does not constitute witness tampering, but boy, is it an important piece of evidence that must be investigated. here is the significant downside of the department of justice, not being deeply involved in a criminal investigation, right now, of donald trump. i will assume, for a moment, they are not deeply involved. because, if they were to, you know what they would be doing? something i did dozens of times, when i had a witness who was tampered with. we would bring the witness in, immediately, for a recorded call back.

we would sit there, we would monitor the call back, we would script it, although a script for the witnesses, typically was, you listen, and let the target say with a whatever they want to say but we may suggest some follow-up questions in realtime. and then you would have a recording that could be used to prove witness tampering in the court when we get that reporting, we mediately put it an affidavit, in support of an arrest warrant, and we arrest the person immediately who was tampering with witnesses. we do it to incapacitate the witness, and we do it to deter others from tampering with witnesses. it's not even an important stand-alone crime subject to 20 years in prison. it's just devastating consciousness of guilt, evidence. all of that should have been done at light speed once there was some suggestion that donald trump was calling a white house staffer, probably not, for restaurant recommendations.

so, this highlights the serious downside of doj not deeply involved in a criminal investigation of donald trump. >> carol, would anything be why do you think we have seen more action from the justice department? it seems that this tampering has happened more than once with what has been implied. and it's hard to really get a sense of but these are investigating, but it doesn't seem that we are seeing these kind of forward presidents of an investigation. >> a few thoughts, ayman. you're right, we may not know, because unlike the january six committee, the department of justice does not give info on their investigations. it just is not what they're supposed to do. it is appropriate that they not do that i will say, the amount of work that is involved, i do worry for the doj. not only do they have all of these prosecutions from the

events on january 6th, the rioters, they have to prosecute, but also, they have not only these things that the january six committee has brought to light for the first time that we are seeing but the doj has to investigate and like that. along with that, with the slide shows of people not complying for subpoenas, people not cooperating to medications and became concerned of do near service i become concerned about doj wizard has to run down all of those different avenues. the january six committee can put on these or they can interview, them and they can take snippet of their depositions and play them. and there is no cross-examination. nothing beyond a reasonable doubt standard and this much harder bar for the department of justice. they have a lot of work on their hands, and a much higher burden of proof. that is why i think you are not hearing a lot.

they have a lot more work and, testing, that they have to do, of all of these theories that now come to the frame. >> glenn kershner, carroll lam, thank you for starting us. greatly appreciate your insights. we will have more on the latest january 6th hearing, after the break. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free.

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what is going on right now. >> i saw general flynn, i saw sydney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. and -- so i didn't understand how they had gotten. >> in a short period of time that you had with the president, he seemed receptive to the presentation that you are making? >> he was very interested in hearing particularly about the terms of 13848 that apparently nobody else had bothered to inform him of. it has been reported that during this meeting as paul talked about the voting machines and multiple fraud claims such as venezuela, iran, and china.

is that accurate? >> it is. >> was the meeting intense? >> oh yeah. at times there were people shouting at each other. throwing insults. >> >> cipollone and herschmann and whoever the other guy was, show nothing but contempt and disdain of the president >> the three of them were sort of forcefully attacking me verbally. i was asking one simple question as a general matter where is the evidence? what do you mean where is the evidence, you should know. >> he was sitting in a chair and fired all of them that. night they had them or scared of that building. charles which he was saying. and she said while the judges are corrupt. and i was like everyone? every single case that you have, done in the country that you have, lost everyone is corrupt. ? even the ones that we appointed? and i got to the point where

the screaming was completely, completely out there. it had been a long day, and what they were proposing, it was nuts. i'm going to categorically describe it as, you guys are not tough enough. or maybe, i'll put it in another way, you are a bunch of -- >> someone tell me that i was acquitted, and i kept ascending and turning around, and screaming at me. as susan points, i had it with him. so, i yield back. i would come over and set your ass back down. messages and mentioned that the meeting in the words unhinge especially after the last participants left the unhinge meeting. trump sent out the tree with his explosive invitation, trump repeated his big lie, and claims it was quote,

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marginalized groups, and spread outrageous lies about the integrity of our elections. now, a new project has been launched, in part, as a response to those efforts, to undermine our institutions. it's called the safeguarding democracy project, aimed at promoting democratic norms, and free and fair elections. we are joined by the man behind that project, ucla law professor, rick hassan. rick, great to have you. you're one of the top election law scholars in the country, so there's no one better to talk to the new. tell us more about this project. what do you hope to achieve with it? >> thank you for having me on. we put together a group of people, from across the political spectrum, from across different academic disciplines, practicing lawyers, and others, who, if you put them in a room to talk about substantive issues like immigration, or taxes, would not agree, but would all agree on the need for free, and fair elections in the united states. that the united states faces a new rates, one that wasn't on the horizon before the trump era, a stolen elections, of

actual election subversion. the question is, what can we do, as a country, who can ensure that 2020 is not repeated, or some permutation of it? so that someone who tries to turn election loser, into an election winner. >> it seems, one of the first events will be with reporters, covering the supreme court. tell me why you are starting there? it may not be instinctive for a lot of people to say, let's start with the supreme court, when we see what is playing out with issues of the big lie, and election integrity. why start with the supreme court? >> we have a few events coming up, and a couple of them. that supreme court event, and another one, with a bunch of scholars. it is going to look at a case that the supreme court agreed to hear, called moore versus harper, which is a case involving independent state legislature theory. this is an arcane theory, that is now coming to the four. it has to do with the question

on whether or not state courts have power over state legislatures, when it comes to setting rules for federal elections. some people, like allies of trump, try to rely on this theory, in my sense, wrongly, to try to argue that state legislatures come in, and choose alternative slates of electors, turning biden states, into trump states. more broadly, the supreme court played an important role in 2020, in not taking up that case from texas, he can throw the votes from four other states. but, the court has, also, engaged in a series of cases, allowing states to make it harder to vote. when you think of the supreme court, and democracy, and with the supreme court does to preserve democracy, it's a mixed record. >> and i think a lot of people watched that case out of north carolina. it was a case that people like john eastman wanted to use that legal theory when they were

planning on overturning the 2020 election. there is a bipartisan group of senators, right now, who are close to finalizing a bill, to reform the electoral count act, which is another part of the january 6th, 2020 process, that opened our eyes to have honorable our democracy is. that bill would clarify the vice president's role in certifying the electoral count, so we hopefully, don't have a repeat of what we saw on january the 6th. does this actually, have a chance to pass, and be signed by the president? >> democrats try to pass a big voting bill, the for the people act, and it didn't get anywhere because senators manchin, and sinema, we're not going to overturn the filibuster rules for voting rights. so, i think, momentum turns to, is there a place where there is bipartisan agreement on what can be done to prevent election subversion? one place where democratic, and republican senators come together, we haven't seen the text of the bill yet, is trying to do things like protect election workers, and fix the electoral count act. this is this poorly written,

1887 law, dictating how congress is supposed to deal with electoral college votes when they come in. i think that fixing the electoral count act essential, so you can't have arguments like, the vice president can, unilaterally, throw it votes. or, objections can easily be raised. we don't know where the threat is coming from, because it could be a state governor, who puts in state electors. i'm hoping they're thinking ahead, and thinking of the ways that electoral count act could be manipulated by political actors, trying to overturn election results. one we're trying to get something, that actually helps, rather than just create new pathways to, try to mess with our elections. >> one of the big concerns, rick, is the threat from within. and from within election officials. grow to see them formal actual election officials. what we saw play in colorado, where mason county clerk, tina peters, was indicted for

overseeing a breach of election equipment, related to the 2020 election. how big of a threat is that? your reaction to these concerns? >> the united states has this decentralized system, really exactly like a of elections, would holding one for president. an election system is only as strong as the weakest link. i have focused, on the past, on election issues for lack incompetence, but we have a greater threat. someone who would manipulate the election system. we need procedures in place. we need transparency. we need redundancy. we need to have a role for courts. to make sure that everybody has their places of, going from voters voting, to finally choosing a president and a point there were many republicans who disintegrate during a last election. brad raffensperger, and others, but we can't count on people,

in good faith, being in all positions, next time. so, we need to have safeguards in place on the federal level to state level, and people need to be vigilant to ensure weather, the threat is local affection official state congress officials, that we have a pathway to ensure the winner of the election is the winner. something i never thought i would have to worry about in the temporary united states. >> certainly, i think many would be with you, saying the, didn't think they are needed in their lifetimes. again, here we are thank you so much, it's been a pleasure. >> thank you. >> what did president biden gain, or lose, with his trip to saudi arabia? t saudi arabia saudi arabia [power-drill noises] alright, limu, give me a socket wrench, pliers, and a phone open to libertymutual.com they customize your car insurance,

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arrived this week for his sit down with saudi, and regional leaders. president biden said, he raised the issue of human rights abuses during the meeting, including the killing of washington post columnist, jamal khashoggi. but, the president's critics accuse him of helping rehabilitate the reputation of the tarnished prince, and in exchange for numerous, but limited, gains. today, we learned that uae authorities have detained jamal khashoggi's former lawyer, who also happens to be, a u. s. citizen. joining me now, executive director of the democracy for air world now organization. sara leo whitson. sarah, great to have you with us. president biden said, when he was running for president, to make the saudis, quote, a pariah. now, he is seen, as we saw on saudi arabia, fist bumping with the crown prince. what do you make of this apparent change in his stance, and the u.s. relationship with saudi arabia overall? >> really, it is a humiliating

capitulation, from which, i don't really see any american advantage. anything that america is, truly, gaining and return. certainly, the u.s. military industry, the arms industry, will be gaining a great deal. certainly, israel, and saudi arabia, and the uae, going a great deal. they are going to be the beneficiaries of an unprecedented security agreement. american security protections. but what, really, is america getting in return? we already know, even increased output by saudi arabia, in the uae, will not significantly impact, or improve oil prices, in the united states. really, it is quite astonishing, and quite shocking, to be honest. >> jamal khashoggi's lawyer, has been detained in the united arab emirates. the emirates news agency, reporting, that case, and we have it on the screen, that case, arose upon the american authorities request for

judicial assistance, regarding their investigations of the accused for tax evasion. this was after president biden spoke with mbs about khashoggi 's killing, what is your reaction to this development? what can you tell us about this particular case? >> this is something that we have no information about. it is something that they had no information about the best of our abilities even if there was some kind of an investigation to detain him, or convict him in absentia, for no reason, it just goes to show, the total absence of any due process in the uae. >> have you had any communication with the u.s. government about it? has the u.s. signal to you, or to anyone, that they will be doing anything about this? we haven't heard anything yet

from this from the white house on this case. >> and he said they're inquiring about, and in our last communication, they have just been able to obtain a consular visit, with mr. -- we are, obviously, insisting that the united states do everything they can to remove him from the tension, in the uae if for no other reason than, that documented record, torture, abuse and, inhumane treatment in these detention centers. >> what would you say, syrup, to those who look at the diplomacy in general and say, it is very complex? what would you have had president biden do, when you are dealing with world leaders who have, all, have committed some shape, or form, human rights abuses? whether be china, turkey, saudi arabia, israel, and a host of other countries. all of these countries have a close relationships with people. >> it isn't whether or not the united states should have saudi

arabia, and abuse of government, like many others. of course, the united states should have normal diplomatic relations, commercial relations, cultural relations, with saudi arabia, and the saudi people. the problem is, the united states has abnormal relations with saudi arabia. what we have with saudi arabia, is not similar to what we have with any other country in the world. we are selling saudi arabia billions of dollars in weapons, but they have, used recklessly, unlawfully, indiscriminately, to terrorize millions and millions of civilians in yemen, for six years now. what the united states has, already, said they will do is to answer ourselves to saudi arabia. what u.s. congress voted twice, in a bipartisan fashion with the bulls the abnormal as we, the unite the relationship that they have, who saudi arabia, and other dictatorships in the middle east, and apartheid governments in the middle east. it is not normal to provide these governments with billions of weapons, and political support.

it undermines america's a, other global priorities, president biden told us to promote democracy. to save democracy. there is our people that are quashing democracy in our region. >> you may also have noticed, president biden met with the israeli president, and other israeli leaders. biden says, he still sees a diplomatic path to ensuring a iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon. that is in direct contrast towards throughout the valley government believes israeli prime minister saying, -- of the comes from them will during terms of that. where is that it may drag the united states. >> israel has been in a semi state of war with iran for a number of years. they have been carrying out

numerous attacks in iran, they have assasinated a scientist in a ron, they have targeted, and assassinated irgc generals in iran, there's not something the united states wants to be dragged into. we had multiple administrations now, making it clear, we want to have a normal, peaceful, relationship with the countries in the middle east, including a nuclear agreement with iran. it's clear, these twist, and diverge from the united states, but we do not wish to be dragged into another war, in the region. that is not in the interest of the people of the region, and certainly, not in the interest of the american people. >> one thing that still remains unresolved, as the israeli palestinian issue. many arab leaders, trying to

highlight without being resolved there, we'll never see stability, and security. the region seems, for now, committed to his two state solution and said that it won't happen anytime soon and it's taken the approach of focusing on trying to improve the quality of life of palestinians something we've seen in the past that does not necessarily yield tangible results to lasting peace. >> let's be honest, this is not a problem of the economic development of palestinians. every time the united states brings it up, it is a sham to mask the absence of a political process. the absence of any measures by the united states, to take steps, to push israel, to end its apartheid regime, to end its occupation of millions of palestinians, for over 50 years now. the united states is not a neutral actor here. the united states is not an even handed broker between, so, called two parties. the united states has its hand, as the fist on the scale, in support of israel, providing them with billions of dollars and lethal weapons, year in, year out. that is the basis, and the source, of israel's power, and strength. to oppress palestinians for 50

years now. let's face it, the two state solution instead, it died a long time ago. our priority, now, is to care about human rights and, to be quality, dignity, for all palestinian people, under israeli authority. >> sarah, thank you so much, we really appreciate your insights. in the next, i will speak with the arab news, english language outlet in saudi arabia about the u.s. saudi relationship. coming up next, how conservative states want to use digital data to charge people with abortion related crimes. with abortion related crimes when you have technology that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds...

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this morning, you discover you are pregnant. unsure of your options, you research online, perhaps, you google abortion pill, or nearest abortion clinic. days later, if you live in a red state, police may show up at your house, with a record of your google results. there is a warrant in the arrest. that is the future for many americans. pro abortion activists are warning, antiabortion states can issue keyword warrants. they're hunting down abortion seekers. getting an actual abortion might not even be required to be charged. going now to alison gill, she is a co-host of the podcast, the daily beans, and mueller shoe wrote. now, let's start with those key word warrants. why are pro abortion activists so concerned about them? >> well, it's frightening, ayman. when you talk about that kinds of keyword -- warrant or jail

fencing,, those, are large dragnets, where they use our private data, location, and geolocation data, to find out where you are. they can do that at anytime. this is not ancient history either. these cases have been happening at recently as 2015, 2017, in mississippi and in indiana. where they find in peoples web search history with places they've been, and where their search for, with abortion pills. people have been charged with crimes for these activities, and just seeking care. it is really, incredibly, frightening. >> the scary thing is, some activists are arguing, red states are in effect. they are basically trying to police thought. if a woman so much as thinks of

having an abortion, she could have police officers at her home. talk about the build on effect of that, the idea of a thought police. >> that goes right along with what you are talking about, with regards to looking into people's search histories. one of the women i was mentioning, named patel, in indiana, in 2015, was sentenced to 20 years in prison. they found her body going through her google history, her search history. where she had searched about abortion clinic clinics, how to seek abortion care, and also, abortion medication. that kind of thought police, i mean, imagine, if it's like you said, you're interested in learning about it, or understanding it, and you're not even pregnant, they can put out those key word warrants, and find out who is searching for those things, like back in the day when they would find out what books you checked up from the library, and trap it that way. it was an incredible change of privacy. >> speaking of privacy, an

abortion is covered under the federal patient privacy law, known as hipaa. it was likely conflicting with the state rules, demanding disclosure about abortion. plus, you have digital services like period tracking apps, and wellness platforms, that may track, or even sell data, and could you imagine a state requiring companies to disclose if a user would discuss, and categorized as an algorithm of an app? >> there are a lot of lawsuits about that. president biden's recent executive order, the one he announced, the day roe is overturned, that he would be working on. there is still a clear shot across the bow, and that executive order, to companies. if you are a threat to patient privacy, and because you are going to transfer, or even sell patient data, or even period

tracking apps, or even wellness app data, that is going to come in conflict with our current laws, and policies. so, that's what biden did. he tasked the heads of relevant agencies like the federal trade commission, the health of human services, and the department of homeland security, to sit down, and game out all of the different ways the tech companies that conservative states, and conservative lawmakers can use, to go after our private data, to try to prosecute us. to try to criminalize, as you said, even the thought of it. thought of googling it, or learning about it. so, as far as an executive order can go without congress, that was the point of this executive order. to sit down, to possibly, come up with all of the ways these things can be used against us. i, for one, immediately deleted my period tracking app from my phone.

google has come out to say, okay, we will delete data about people who are near abortion clinics. but, even google employees say, that doesn't go far enough. big tech companies, like google, and apple, can take a more proactive stance here, in ensuring that all of our health related, and our data, in general, is protected, and kept private. >> we are reminded, daily, of uncharted territories that we are in right now, and there was technology, and personal privacy, even when they play into it. greatly appreciate your time, and your insights. >> thank you. >> continuing, danger, one republican congressman, presenting to our elections. we'll tell you about that, and more. ou about that, and more more (joe) wait, did he just say $30 dollars? (vo) yep. $30 dollars a line for the whole family. (fran) for real? (vo) for real, fran. $30 bucks.

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