tonight as we saw the second hour, we want to take you back in time. long before the supreme court -- president biden commissioned a buddy of academics and judicial experts to study the structure and composition of the nation's highest court. the recommendations issued by that bipartisan commission focus on matters of transparency. and ethics. but ultimately, they were brushed aside. ignored by a president largely resistant to large scale institutional reforms. half a year later, some of the members who called for that bold action are saying, i told you so, including our next

guest. former federal direct nancy gardner. judge gardner told politico the conservative victories from this term have been quote, only because they can, and that has been an exercise of pure power, not legal reasoning. judge gardner said that she was initially resisting to major court reforms but after hearing testimony of legal experts, she believes that not only should the justices be subjected to term limits, but also that the number of states on the court should now be expanded. and this month, we learned damning new information that further emphasizes the need for these major reforms of the high court. the former leader of a religious right organization told politico that he recruited a coach wealthy volunteers to wine dine and entertain conservatives supreme court justices while pushing conservative positions on abortion, homosexuality, gun restrictions, and a lot of other issues. for 1995 to 2018, he says he arranged over the years, for about 20 couples, to fly to

washington to visit with and entertain supreme court justice clarence thompson, sam alito, and the late anthony scalia. and these undisclosed actions from the faith and action illustrates the extent to what some supreme court justices would advocates, for the religious right during appeared when the court grappled with critical social issues. like abortion and gay rights. joining me now is that former federal judge, nancy garner. >> this guy thank you so much for your, time i greatly appreciate joining us tonight. let's talk about what reforms you would like to say to the supreme court. if you had the authority and the power to do something, what would you want to see done? >> i think that's the first thing that can be done which has the only thing that can be done immediately is to change the size of the court. to include the size of the courts, to give other administrations and not just trump administration an opportunity to point. justices i looked at that, almost one year ago, when i was on the white house commission,

because there was three issues. this is one of the most powerful supreme courts in the world. the last word on constitutional issues, virtually on reviewable with a code of acadie fix, and violating the code of ethics that they could do. in addition to the republicans who pack the court, and they we talk about in which way is mitch mcconnell kept merrick garland from even being having a hearing on. him they ultimately rammed amy coney barrett, and the when the biden, trump election was going on. so, the republicans pack the court. ordinarily, that wouldn't be cloudiness, because there would be changes overtime in the future. the combination between two additional factors makes those changes unlikely.

one is that the republicans are doing everything they can to, undermine the vote, and the supreme court is doing everything they can to enable that. cutting back on the voting rights act, recently taking a case, which should be chilling to all of us. this is the case out of north carolina, the so-called independent state legislator doctrine, which, if the court accepts, will then mean that state legislatures will be the final word on elections. not constrained by their own constitutional courts, and certainly, not constrained by the federal government, which has been defanged with changes of the voting rights act. but, the court that we have now is the court that we will have for generations.

and, the usual changes in court, the usual evolution of the court will not happen. but, we had one other factor. usually, a court is constrained by precedent. this court is not. so, the only thing we can do -- >> sorry, i was just about to ask -- now you bring up so many plans and i wanted to come just address a few of them with you if i can. and in my immediate question is that there's probably somebody out, they're a lot of people out there that's gonna be watching this and saying, if you expand, it lets a from nine, to 11, to 13, why doesn't say that when republicans take power, at some point, they will in the future, that they don't just add two more seats, and once again, tip the balance? we find ourselves in this never-ending cycle where, depending on who's in power, the supreme court, simply, becomes a rubber stamp to those, based on the numbers that they can stack the court with. >> sure, that is a risk. no question that's a risk. i think the answer is the

answer that professor tribe and i gave, another programs, an imprint, which is they have already packed the court. there is no reason to believe that the republicans, if they don't like the way the court is going, will not do this. in other words, projecting what the republicans might well do in the future, that is, certainly troubling. but, the crisis is now. i teach, i'm not just a former federal judge, i also teach, and we teach students about precedent. this is a court that was not even waiting, for years, to implement their views of what the constitution is. they have done it, essentially, in two years. that is chilling. it's a really chilling. so, some of us on the commission talked about it as a break the glass moment. i understand the risks going forward, but this is a break glass moment. >> if i can use your analogy, why isn't the president listening to you, and breaking the glass? if this is a break glass moment,

what do you think he is calculating, that is preventing him from pushing the suggestions that they were making, expanding the supreme court, and some kind of term limits to make sure that the cycle of the supreme court is renewed, in some capacity? >> i can't speculate on what isn't is hurt. it's reported, he's such an institutionalist. he doesn't believe in challenging the filibuster, and he doesn't believe obviously and changing the supreme court, for the reasons that you just described. and i don't diminish those concerns i just think that we are at a very unique moment with a packed court that cares nothing for presidents, 50 some things on, it also elected by the federalist society, that will essentially frame with this court will do for generations to. come to me, and there's many

more voices now saying, what i am saying. he doesn't seem to be persuadable, but who knows. >> given what we saw in this term, the supreme court, upending 50 years of precedent by overturning roe v. wade, they talk about the case that it is north carolina with these legislatures, and the ability in state courts, to oversee those elections. what do you think might be our future if there are no core reforms? what do you anticipate is one the big major issues that could find themselves in the supreme court next? >> well what you have essentially our judges communicating to conservative lawyers, while cases to bring next. so take the dot case, the case that overturned roe v. wade. there was the majority opinion, and that was alito's decision

opinion, and then alito says, this is just about abortion. it's just about abortion. to which, thomas, and his concurrence, actually not. and the reasoning of the major, of the majority leads want to doubt if it will end at abortions. so what are we seeing? we are seeing challenges to the right to privacy, under the griswold decision. it was birth control for married people. we will see challenges to same-sex marriage, because this is a court that believes that the constitution is beginning, and ending, in the 18th century. the thing is not included in that, the issues not included, the people we, constituency's, women, blacks, that were not there, are not considered. i can only deal with women's rights at the moment, and it is extraordinary to me. women's rights were not enumerated in the constitution,

because women were irrelevant at the time. so, that approach is going to undo much more than roe v. wade, but decades, and decades of precedent. >> this is tangential, and i'm almost out of time here. it may be a bit political, but can you envision a constitutional amendment that this country can agree on, right now, given how polarized we are? is that even an avenue for us to try to address some of these issues that are existential to american citizens, like women, and same-sex americans? >> i wish it were so. i know you don't have much time, so i will give you a short answer which is, no. i do not envision it this time. i wish that we could. this is a supreme court badly in need of reform, and so many ways, but we are stuck. >> judge nancy gardner, i wish

we were ending on a more optimistic note, but i do share your sentiment. i can't imagine that we can move forward without some kind of reform to the supreme court. greatly appreciate your insights this evening. >> thank you. how the biden mention is fighting resite on abortion. but first my friend richard louis is here with the headlines. >> i am, and good to see you. some stories we're watching this hour, first off, at least, six people, including two children are dead following a 21 vehicle highway pileup on friday. authorities say a mass moving dust warm triggered the collisions in montana. it's unclear how many people were injured. the death of ivanka trump, the first wife of former president, donald trump, was ruled an accident by the new york city medical examiner. the officers blunt force injuries to her towards her were consistent with the fall down the stairs. ivana trump was 73 years old. spacex dragon cargo ship, talk at the international space station saturday. the capsule deliver nearly

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president biden pushback on red states with abortion bans, the biden administration told hospitals they must provide abortion services if the life of the mother is at risk saying federal law on emergency treatment guidelines preempt state bands. and the department of health and human services warned about 60,000 pharmacies refusing to fill prescriptions for abortion pills, could be breaking federal laws. late yesterday, nbc news reported that president biden dropped his plan to nominate an antiabortion judge in kentucky for a federal judgeship, but let's not give him too much credit for that one. biden only did that after republican rand paul of all people, objected to the nomination. let's bring in my saturday night panel to break all of

this down, atima omara is a democratic strategist on the president of the omara stragedy group. ja'han jones is a -- writer for the read out blog on nbc.com, and fernand amandi is a political analyst and the principal and executive vice president appendix in and a monte international. it's great to have all three of you with us. a team i want to start with, you your reaction to the news about that antiabortion judge in kentucky, who as i said, it's not gonna be nominated not because the president withdrew his nomination after listening to democratic strategist or antiabortion activists but because rand paul did not return an endorsement slip of that judge. >> well i guess rand paul gave a great opportunity for biden to drop something that would have been very popular and hasn't been very popular in the democratic activists. so not usually for me to think ron paul but thank you ramp all yeah. >> ja'han, what do you make of the biden administration's moves on abortion i mean

obviously biden is limited and what he can do. he is saying that this is now moving to a state level where this needs to be fought on that front. >> we'll, my brother, thank you for having me on my friends. i appreciate you. it is both encouraging and frustrating that the biden administration is belatedly issuing these requirements that states upholds abortion rights for several weeks it seemed as though the biden administration either did understand or didn't appreciate that these attacks on abortion access are part of a broader onslaught against civil rights broadly. so this is encouraging for the country that the biden administration is finally putting its foot down. i should also say it's encouraging for the biden administration and the biden, pardon the biden administration's legacy. i've been thinking in recent weeks about the potential for biden's legacy to go the way of say, mike pence, who oversaw an outbreak in indiana and that is

tarring him and will tar him into the end of his days. so i think that there is an opportunity for the biden administration now to kind of get back on the right course and make sure that the failure to uphold abortion access will not tar joe biden's legacy for as long as we are saying his name. >> and to that point, fernand, texas general kemp austin is suing the biden administration over its guidance that abortion must be offered in the event of medical emergencies. life-saving and medical emergencies. republican states are seriously fighting that. they are literally fighting the ability to save a woman's life in the hospital. >> these are draconian positions that the republican party is taking which again speaks to the extremist nature of what is now as a theocratic party totally devoid from democracy. and i don't say that on the basis of opinion, i saw that on the opinion of where american, public opinion stands on this very issue. when you look at the popular

polls, over 75% of americans feel that a woman should be able to receive an abortion if her life is in jeopardy or in an extreme case where she has been raped or suffers a non consensual pregnancy. and yet you see members of the republican party continuing whether it be senators like marc rubio, or now this indiana attorney general who said a 10 year old girl who was raped and ended up being pregnant, should not have been able to have gotten an abortion despite the fact that her own parents were in favor of that decision. this is where i think the biden administration should think this fight. overwhelmingly, americans are in favor of giving a woman's right to choose regardless of their own personal decision. but when it comes to this notion, of these extreme cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy, that support goes into the 80% foul rate. so the only question is why didn't president biden jump on this earlier, better late than never though.

>> a team, up the house republicans took to the floor today to denounce a abortion and out of a dozen republicans who spoke. there was literally just one woman. the rest were all white men. watch. >> this bill would legally prohibit the future abortions from being performed of a preborn child heartbeat can be detected. this with the exception for one of mother's life is in danger. >> i will always stand for our unborn and firmly, firmly stand against any efforts to promote abortion. >> as early as five weeks in the womb, babies have a heartbeats. by ten, weeks arms, legs, fingers, and toes. >> during biblical times, we read about sacrifices of babies -- >> your reaction to that? >> well, this is exactly why we are not gonna get into this anything done in congress currently with the makeup that we have.

the republican party is committed as he said, being a theocratic party and opposing abortion action and abortion access or even those who have a need for abortion care. so that is why i think the biden white house should definitely make sure that in states where bans are already in place, expand medication abortion access, by an executive order, equate any additional barriers for those seeking care, and i do think even though he had vetoed it at one point, but is not considering it, a public health, declaring a public health emergency for abortion access is another thing that has been discussed by legal experts. and it is absolutely possible. it would provide civil immunity protections for those abortion providers, protecting those. and taking care of those who need abortion care. as well as provide additional funds for those potentially trying to seek abortion care in states where it is legal there in the states where it is banned. so we are not gonna get anything out of this congress. certainly the republicans are maybe once upon a time some of them were pro abortion, they

are no longer. we need to do everything that we can between now and november to protect abortion care for those who need it. >> take a listen to what's ted cruz said about with the they said about legalizing gay marriage. >> in -- america fell, the court said. no we know better than you guys do and now every state must sanction and permit gay marriage. i think that this vision was clearly wrong when it was decided. it was the courts overreaching. >> your thoughts on that? >> while the show come to no surprise that the party full of people who praise the confederacy and wants us to uphold the legacy of confederates to attack the country, want to return us to a politics of a pre-civil war time where people do not have bodily autonomy. they don't have the ability to choose who they wish to love and how they wish to act on that love. so ted cruz is the most one of the most reviled republican in

the country. he is spouses one of the most we're vantage conservative politics and the country. and we should not be surprised that he is outwardly telling us that he wants to return it to a bygone era. >> fernand, how would you advise democrats to meet this moment with everything that is happening both as a result of the supreme court, and the cultural roars, and even in the internal politics of what they are saying with people like joe manchin, stonewalling everything in the filibuster? >> i think it's very simple. they just need to tell the truth. remember, the storyline of a republican party that is now dismembered from american democracy that is in favor of taking rights away this is the first time in generations that we've actually seen a constitution right the taken away from american citizens. despite the fact that vast majority of americans are in favor of this.

so i think the democrats need to prosecute that case. that cannot be shy about talking about what the republican party today not our parents republican party our grandparents republican party, which was a much more sane, truly conservative party in the great sense of what that word manse. that is not with this theocratic, anti-freedom, anti-democracy, party is today. and i think it starts with president biden, it starts also with former president obama, it would be nice to see former president bush take this case to the american people so that they understand what is happening. the republican party today is trying to dismantle the rights of americans, whether they be lgbt americans, women, or minorities, on a host of issues, and we allow them to regain power, they will perceive forward with this march to a top or see, as they have been doing with eyes wide open, without any shame whatsoever. >> all right panoply stick with us, we got a lot more to discuss after the break. i will speak to the editor and chief of arab news about president biden's meeting with the crown prince of saudi

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heading back to washington after a controversial trip to parts of the middle east. i spoke earlier with faisal abbas, the editor and chief of saudi arabia's arab news, a large english daily newspaper, but about biden's meeting with the crown prince. >> faisal abbas thank you so much for joining us today. let's start with just the general perception of this trip, how it went down what is the reading in saudi arabia to not just the wider regional meeting but the bilateral meeting between the u.s. administration and the crown prince in his administration. >> it's a pleasure to be with you on the show ayman, and thank you for that question.

actually, the sentiment here in jeddah is of delight and a particularly among us observers and analysts. a lot of speculation has been made about this trip and what it means but in reality, ayman, it's simply a return to the norm. and the norm being that the saudi u.s. relationship is a specifically, especially important. one, it's multifaceted, and what was happening in the past year and a half or two years was actually the abnormal aspect of it. so by all means it's a return to the norm, it's a return to mutual and regional cooperation which is vital for the safety and security not just for american interests of but of interest of all u.s. allies and strategic partners in the

region, as well as the safe flow of energy throughout the world. >> how does, and you are someone who lives there you cover saudi arabia, you understand it better than anyone, how did the comments by then-candidate president, then candidate excuse me, joe biden, when he said that he wanted to make saudi arabia a pariah for what it was doing. how did that play with the saudi population and the saudi public, and now you see the president of the united states arriving to saudi arabia, meeting with the crown prince? >> well obviously ayman, nobody was happy about it. i can't imagine the leadership nor the average saudi being happy to hear something like that about their country. but i have to say, we have behaved or acted in a lot of maturity with regards to this relation and this is not something new. our former ambassador to washington, prince bender -- used to call the election

season, the city season, or the funny season. and what that means is it is quite normal for political candidates to stay all sorts of things that would get them elected. at the time, bashing saudi arabia perhaps some of the great criticism was rightly deserved, and dealt with, but perhaps going extreme in bashing saudi arabia was a popular thing to do. funny enough with the upcoming midterm elections, it rather the way i see it, it's rather the opposite now. so what will score points for political candidates is actually appearing that they are able to work with saudi arabia to balance the energy markets in the world. as you know, very well, most people around the world are fearing the pinch now of high energy prices. there is also the deep state in the united states that being

the security agencies and the intelligence agencies, all know very well that it is absolutely in the u.s. interest to cooperate with saudi arabia across the region to counter violent extremism, to fight terrorism, and to protect american interests which are happen to be also our region of interest. >> let's talk about jamal khashoggi will get for a moment because i just knew that it was brought up within the meeting with president biden and the crown prince. according to both saudi and american officials. and obviously the president himself, president biden told reporters that he was direct and straightforward with the crown prince about khashoggi's murder. the fiancée our democracy will be tweeted out this about their meeting. today, is this the accountability that you promised for my murder? the blood of mbs's next victims is on your hands. what's is your reaction to this situation dominating this

incident, this murder dominating the meeting between the crown prince and president biden up until now? >> well thank you for that question. i don't think it is surprising that at all. ayman, it's a very important topic. and it is an incident that is really scarred us here in saudi arabia. particularly that it was a saudi citizen being killed by unfortunately, by other saudi citizens. yes, as you rightly pointed, out president biden in his press conference last night with the u.s. media, talked a little bit about part of the conversation that took place between him and current prince a bed salmon. most of the u.s. media at this but i have seen, hasn't reported the other side of the story. which was leaked last night from a saudi official to saudi media, and repeated recently by the saudi foreign minister about what that response was from the saudi prime prince during that meeting and the response mohammed bin salman

was as you can imagine that this was a heinous crime that does not represent us. that's all legal and procedural aspects that should have been adhered to, we're out here to, to people who were proven to be part of the crime were held accountable. mistakes do happen. like any civilized country or government, procedures were put in place to avoid them happening again. and more interestingly, reportedly, the crown prince also talked to president biden about mistakes america did such as -- and guantánamo, which also constitutes human rights violations or concerns.

and the idea was here not that, not to compare the two or the three incidents in this case, but to say that all countries make mistakes, and all countries, just like these examples the u.s. leadership wasn't directly involved. but actually acted to ensure that these issues were resolved, the same thing happened here with the khashoggi incident. if i do have the time, i do have a personal remark on this point if i may ayman. which is for me, as an observer, it was very interesting that, and president biden perhaps rightly so, brought this up in saudi arabia. but what i find very interesting, and raises a question, is where was this principle when he was in israel? as you know, our colleague, just like the late jamal khashoggi was a good friend of ours, shereen abu aqleh was killed recently in israel.

and all the reports that we have seen indicate that they she has been killed by an israeli army bullets. yet, not a single word from president biden during his speeches in israel, during his press conference in israel. seem to have emerged. the he only brought it up when he went to see president -- in the palestinian territory. two wrongs don't make a right, ayman. it's just that when i find really puzzling is the matter of principle. it's either the same principle that applies to all u.s. partners and allies, or it doesn't. >> faisal abbas live for us in saudi arabia, thank you so much for your time and your insight, i greatly appreciated. >> thank you so much ayman. pleasure to be with you. >> could the january six committee be changing the minds of republicans when it comes to trump and the insurrection? trump and the insurrection trump and the insurrection

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intelligence poll has found that 67% of voters, about two thirds, now believe the donald trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election. that same poll found that 65% agree that trump's election lies were, in fact, lies. and nearly 60% say that donald trump was somewhat or very responsible for the events that led to the insurrection. so my question is this, has the january six committee achieved their biggest goal already, which is influencing the

american public? my saturday night panel is back with me. team, i would like to start with you. what do you think? has the committee surpassed expectations with its presentations so far? >> absolutely. they have made four very compelling television. so many people who have watched it, they haven't even counted in streaming numbers, but in the millions in the evening and then a few times in the day and the recaps to understand what has happened. they have done their job in making the case and continuing to make the case. cassidy hutchinson's testimony being most damaging and certainly we will have a primetime hearing coming up to go deep into what was happening in those minutes where trump was silent before he pleaded the insurrectionists to go home. i think what will be important is the next step, is the doj going to do anything with what is now a very clear case of a former president trying to literally stop the transfer of power in our country? >> joe hahn, are you surprised by this polling, when you see some of these numbers? >> we really shouldn't be. there are a lot of people who, like me, think donald trump deserves to be in a cell

underneath, pardon my dog, she agrees with me, who believes donald trump needs to be in a cell underneath the jail for fomenting an insurrection against the united states. in fact, in the days leading up to january 6th and the days after january six, all of the evidence pointed to trump as the chaos agent. and it doesn't surprise me that people believe he should be held accountable for this. i think we should credit the january six committee for putting forth the evidence in such a compelling way, even though we had in our minds that trump was responsible for all this, the color they provide to the story has been compelling. in fact, jamie raskin told us early in this process that trump, pardon me, young trump staffers would be the secret

weapon, they would be the people who would be able to testify to some of the inner workings of the trump campaign and some of the lawlessness that took place. all of the promises that were made by the january six committee are coming into fruition. i think there's a lot more in store. >> fernand, what do you think is most responsible for this shift in public opinion? on the one hand you look at the base of the republican party, for the longest time, and perhaps now, somewhere around 70% believe the 2020 election was stolen. but you look at what this polling suggests in terms of what the committee was able to do with the broader american public, not just the republican base, and the numbers are overwhelming that trump's hands were all over this insurrection. >> i think the most compelling thing that the committee has done is that it has put front and center donald trump's white house staff and donald trump's supporters, those who led the insurrection on the capitol to prosecute the case against

donald trump as the guilty responsible party, for leading, or attempting to lead a coup to overthrow american democracy and and our government in our way of life. putting those trump supporters and trump staff front and center makes it an unimpeachable case. i think the most important thing, it's great to see a public opinion move in the direction of the facts, which is what we knew they were a year and a half ago when these first happened, i think it is putting pressure and advice on the justice department. the most important audience in this entire committee is one person, and that is merrick garland, the attorney general of the united states. the testimony of cassidy hunch and compounded by the white house general counsel, trump's personal and six handpicked white house general counsel, now means that the justice department can no longer look away and pretend that this was

about the rioters on january six. this was about one man, donald trump, and those around him who attempted to work in concert and in conspiracy with him to overthrow the united states government on january six, 2021. i think that has been where this committee's work has been extraordinarily effective, putting that spotlight on trump and making merrick garland not able to look away. >> let's shift to the committee 's allegations this week that trump attempted to contact a witness after cat city hutchinson testified. your reaction to that? we are surprised by liz cheney coming forward to effectively warn of anyone attempting to tamper with witnesses? >> no, i wasn't, because it's very clear, given all of what we've learned so far, that trump was willing to do just about anything, not only to attain power but also, typically what people know that they're in trouble and

committed a crime did is try to keep people from testifying. again, there is clear evidence of tampering. we'll probably learn more about with those details entail. again, to detail my point in finance earlier point, this is something for the doj to take up. but this is not surprising, given everything we have learned about the events leading up to 16 and on the day of. >> john, what do you make of trump's outreach especially, after it was after cassidy hutchinson's public testimony that he reportedly made this call? >> it shows that he is very worried, of course. i should say, worried not just about the criminal liability. i've been one who's been writing a lot about the civil liability that some of the information that we have gotten from the january six committee puts trump in. there are a number of civil cases against trump currently. we know that several members of

congress, in addition to the naacp, have filed a lawsuit against trump, saying that trump and the violent, pardon me, the violent groups that participated in the january six inter insurrection, deny these people their civil rights. trump is obviously worried about the bombshell testimony that came from cassidy hutchinson, from a criminal perspective but also because it stands to give people a chance to run his pockets for harassing them, for encouraging people to attack them. i'm talking about people like rusty bowers, the arizona representative, shady moss, and her mother ruby freeman and the georgia election workers. i'm talking about brad raffensperger. all of these people really do have standing to file suits against trump. that should obviously worry him in addition to the criminal cases that may arise from this trial. >> all right, jon jones, team omar, and fernanda money, thank you so much for joining us this evening.

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