good afternoon, everybody, good afternoon. it's good to see you. i'm yasmin this again. i'm yasmin vossoughian, we have a lot we've got a lot to cover the to cover in the two hours two hours ahead. ahead. a painful meeting about a painful meeting about to to begin in uvalde. begin in uvalde. families get new reports about the school shooting, including the chilling release of this video that the world saw, a live report in just a moment. there also a showdown to the committee. deadline for tuesday, saying turn over the documents or else. all this happening as steve bannon said to have trial tomorrow. and rising covid cases here at home. some city so alarmed their consider going back to mask mandates. more on that ahead, as well. but we want to start with that breaking news out of uvalde. where, a short time from, now families in the victims and the committee elijah will meet with the texas investigative

committee as it releases preliminary report on the mass shooting at robb elementary. nbc's priscilla thompson is there and covering it for us. priscilla, as always, good to talk to you. talk us through this, because this obviously has been, since it's incredibly tragic shooting happened, such an emotional time for these families. and, as the details have begun to trickle out more and more, even more so emotional. now, the release of this report to family members in the community there. talk us through what we may learn today. >> yeah, yasmin, another emotional day here with that meeting between committee members and the family set to get underway in just about a half hour here. an hour or so here. well we're learning, just from the spokesman a short while ago, was that that report was going to be 110 pages. he says that 18 to 20 family members have picked up a copy of the report, they're still working to get a copy to the family of the victim who is still hospitalized.

he also says that the video, the surveillance video that was released, is going to be a little bit different than what we saw earlier in the week. in that it's not going to have any audio on it at all. they also said that there will be no body cam released, that that is a decision that is up to the city to decide whether they will release the body cam footage. so, that is what we know about the report. and i should also acknowledge that my colleague, jamie morrison, was able to get some copies of that report. so, we have looked at some of it but we aren't reporting that it just yet because we haven't seen the whole report and we want to make sure that we have the right context as we are communicating this information to our viewers. but we did have an opportunity to speak with the grandfather of leyla salazar, one of the victims in this tremendous tragedy. he said that, yes, he picked up the report but his mind was made up before he even got here. when he found out that officers waited 77 minutes in that hallway before even seeing a

video or a report, he knew. there is nothing that is going to change its mind about how he, feels about the situation. he feels that it is a failure, there's nothing that could be done to bring back his granddaughter. and he says the thing he still doesn't see in this report is accountability. no one has been fired, he hasn't seen any structural changes. that is what he is waiting for. but he says he won't be attending that meeting with the committee because there's really nothing that they could say to him at this point that is going to make any of this better. we also spoke with the parent of a second grader who is at robb elementary school when that tragedy struck and he described what it was like seeing that video that was released earlier this week. i want to play a little bit of his reaction as, well take a listen. >> cowards, simple, they're all cowards. there's no way around it. you can ask a three year old

and though i think you, dad, i thought that's what their job was? to protect and serve? they were crying for them. you know? >> this report seems to suggest failures among law enforcement across the board. and with that father also, shared echoing what we heard from leyla salazar's grandfather, is that accountability is what he would like to see here. and for mr. martinez, and you just heard from, that looks like criminal charges being filed. especially if there is the possibility that some of these victims died while these officers were rating in the hallway. i should point out that the district attorney has said that criminal charges could stem from this investigation. yasmin? >> so, priscilla, talk to me about a couple things. the others, interesting as you bring up this point about how

the community had already made up their mind. i think on day one they had made up their mind, considering the fact they've been misled. but talk about any instance we're hearing about possible culpability, accountability, inside this report. >> yeah, so, we don't know exactly yet with that it's going to look like. but, of course, the district attorney saying that there could be criminal charges filed. so, there is the possibility that there is information in this report that could lead to criminal charges. we know that these committee members have been speaking to witnesses, they have been speaking to law enforcement, they even visited the site of the school, the site of where all of this unfolded. and, so we do expect this to be a very thorough report. as the da has signaled, there could be criminal charges. but we're going to have to wait and see what happens. but i will say, a lot of folks in this community are certainly hoping for that. although it's not going to bring back their loved ones, so it's not going to change what they lost. yasmin? >> yeah, absolutely. priscilla thompson for us,

thank you. we might be checking back with you through the next couple hours as we await the beginning of this meeting in texas, of course. as details a marriage from this new report. thank you for that, priscilla. let's talk january six for a moment of the investigation, of course. the tuesday deadline that i mentioned earlier, for secret service to turn over documents a tech messages from january 5th and sixth of 2021. his committee member adam kinzinger this morning, on the back and forth after a dhs watchdog told the committee that the secret service deleted those messages related to january 6th. >> the ig came in front of us and said, look, we've been working hard to get this. they claim it was this technological change, we moved, everything we lost to these texts. then, they also put out a statement saying we only lost some of the text on everything relevant to this investigation has been turned over. so, those are very conflicting statements. in the very least, it is quite crazy that the secret service would actually end up deleting

anything related to one of the more infamous days in american history. particularly when it comes to the role of the secret service. >> all right, i want to bring in jewels jester and msnbc legal analyst. sorry, guys having a bit of an allergy attack. bear with me as i walk through this. jewels, let's look ahead to thursday's hearing. they're anymore we're hearing about the release of these text messages from the january six committee, from secret service? >> right, yasmin. as you heard from congressman kinzinger, the committee really wants these texts. and they are a little skeptical, to say the least, of the secret service historian all of this. 's a lofgren calls a shocking that they wouldn't have backed up the data. they're hoping these tech still exist and they can get their hands on them by the tuesday deadline for that subpoena. that, of course, comes just before thursday's hearing, in

primetime. so, it's unclear whether those texts will make it into what we see on thursday. but let's hear from congresswoman elaine gloria, who gave us a preview of what we can expect to hear. >> mr. cipollone's testimony is a very valuable. we'll be incorporating that into our hearing coming up on thursday. but there's actually more. it's not only mr. cipollone, there's other witnesses we've spoken to who have yet to appear in our previous hearings. we'll have a lot of value and information to events that critical time, on january 6th. >> as she said, we will be hearing from individuals we have not yet heard from and committee members, today, have said those will include advisers who are with president trump during those hundred 87 minutes. that window between when trump left the stage after his rally speech and when he finally sent out a tweet, saying please stop

to the rioters. so, we are expected to hear from those. kinzinger said that they have filled in the blanks. so, it will be a very detailed account of the actual day of january six. yasmin? >> joe, let's talk through some of the stuff. first and, foremost i kind of want to address secret service and try to acquire these messages by the committee. a radio statement from the secret service spokesman, anthony guglielmi. insisting, in a statement, that the agency is fairly cooperating with the inspector general's review. that some text messages were, in fact, erased before they were requested. he goes on to say that the expected general's office had been notified of the data loss on some phones and confirmed that none of the text that was seeking had been lost in the migration. how can they be, jill, so sure of this? that none of the texts are seeking had in fact been lost?

>> i think there is an even bigger question. because, number one, it sounds a lot like uvalde. where the information we're getting from the secret service is evolving, would be putting a kindly. it's changing. and, so it's very hard to make sense of whether anything was lost or wasn't lost. i think that's really something that only testimony and further investigation can answer. obviously, these are important. it is unacceptable and incredible to think that any government agency would, in a migration of devices, erase anything that was there. those are government records. and, under our laws, they must be maintained. that goes back to the same thing of any of the things that have to be archived when the president leaves office. these would have been records

that were required to be kept. so, you cannot erase them. deliberately or accidentally. you have to take care that they have to be done. frankly, in the modern era, they're in the cloud somewhere. so, they should be recover-able. and that must be done in addition to getting the texts, testimony is necessary about the department of justice in the committee, from all the people of the office of the inspector general who were involved in the investigation. from the agents who were involved in january six. that includes those who are with not just the president but also with the vice president. because, let us not forget that the secret service was very much involved in trying to remove vice president pence from the capitol, where he would have not been able to complete his constitutional responsibilities. so, there's questions about those text. not just about the ones about

the state of mind of donald trump. >> let me ask you this, kill. that is how important is it to receive these types of text messages, in order to really pieces story together? you think about some of the testimony that we heard from cassidy hutchinson, and which he recounts things the secret service told her. things that happened inside the vehicle where the former president was. how important is it to have this information? >> every bit of information is part of how you build a case. now one case answers all the questions. every trial is a puzzle, where you're putting the pieces together. having these text messages would confirm, having the testimony of the people who sent the texts are the people who were in the car with the president or who were giving directions to the secret service agents with the vice president. you can get it from testimony, you can piece together. you've cassidy hutchinson

saying one agent told me that, are not a, who may or may not have been in the car, that angle was grabbed. the driver was there. let's hear from him, and let's hear from them under oath. only cassidy hutchinson has been brave enough to come forward and say it under oath. so, i don't give any credit to secret service for saying, well, someone will say something different. if they will, let them do it under oath. otherwise, it doesn't count. you do have all these other, people who have no reason to lie, who should be called. and, then you put it all together. so, the tax, though, are important because a contemporaneous, written document is the most credible evidence. >> joe wine-banks, julia jester, thank you both for dealing with me in my voice this afternoon. we're going to get it fixed, i promise, everybody. >> feel better! >> still ahead, -- thank you. still just how close major

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, consequences of statewide abortion bans aren't just impacting those that are actually seeking them. they could also impose a wider

risk to general reproductive care. that could mean that some doctors will not actually be trained in critical pregnancy care skills that are usually included in overall abortion training. doctor kavita patel writes this, research shows that abortion training improves general reproductive health skills and improve the quality of other ab spectrum procedures. unfortunately, if the doctor who sees you has little or no experience, it is no better than being in a state where abortion is in fact pant. during joining me now is doctor patel to talk more about this. as, always kavita, it's great to talk to you about this. this is something we talked about a couple months ago, before the decision came down from the supreme court. it's certainly a concern that you had. talk more about some of the circumstances that you're, seeing that will likely come out of this overturning of roe. >> yeah, yasmin, i'm going to give you an ability to rescue a voice for a, bit i know colleges can be. number, one i think that there

is a very common scenario that occurs when a woman who fully intends to carry and bring her pregnancy to term has potentially signs and signals. bleeding, anything, could be ectopic, could be a, rupture could be a number of complications. upstairs doctors are not trained and recognizing some of these complications and, in fact, some of the procedures have incredible overlap with procedures we use a many reproductive procedure such as abortion. such as dilating at evaluating uterus in the case of any sort of missed pregnancy, spontaneous eruption, any number of scenarios, yasmin. then, the second is actually the trading that those of us who are not boards are devised in ob/gyn circulate. i rotated with ob/gyn so i could recognize these complications in urgent care and emergency room settings. so, think about the ripple effect. and even further example that's more dramatic, say in louisiana, like many, states they rely on clinics to train hospital residents to come through and understand so many of the

complexities. not just for the person undergoing reproductive services, i.e. and abortion, but the amazing trauma around that. nothing happens easily in medicine, just like any diagnosis. diabetes, blood, pressure cancer. these are not -- things. it's not taught in a textbook that you look up online, their experiential, yet to see, it you have to be in it. imagine, 43% of resident programs not being able to offer those because of laws and their states. >> so, answer that for me, because you did talk a little bit about this. because, if in fact, abortion is banned in the state of texas, let's establish an example, if you are seeking out your residency, right, in texas. does that then mean you will not be taught how to perform and abortion? because of the laws in that state? >> yeah. well, you're going into an area

in which all residency programs, like medical schools at any training or institution, requires regulatory accreditation. there are organizations, national organizations. this, case the american graduate college organization, which that the israel doctors and their training. that's a good, think yasmin, because you don't want it to be political or varying state to state. a doctor trended one city should have the same standard as a doctor trained on another. they have already made it clear in the language they propose that they need all organizations to meet this criteria. those programs in a state like texas, for example, and many other states, unfortunately, would be violating law by teaching that. so, this is a conundrum. we're going to see residency programs facing this difficult decision of whether they follow accreditation standards to trade doctors where they should or whether they face being tied up and lawsuits. we've already seen, from the states a video no high, oh for an example, of somehow ridiculous this can get. when this happens, but i worry

about, yasmin, is even well intentioned states, where there's no changes to reproductive justice access, we'll take defensive postures and avoid teaching. or avoid getting into a scenario. that's what i worry about, that's what i wrote what we wrote, and there are many other doctors standing out across the country about this. >> yeah, it just seems, as we take this all in, and the overturning of roe and just a couple weeks into this, the ripple effect. the waterfall effect that will happen, state by state. more and more states are banning abortions, putting restrictions on abortions. and every industry, it seems, it will affect folks throughout the country. we haven't even seen it all, yet we'll only see down the road, really, as more more laws like this are instituted. doctor kavita patel, for now, thank you. good to see you. we are waiting the start, everybody, of a meeting from the texas house investigative committee on this preliminary report into the deadly uvalde

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dead and devolve the elementary school. but, quote, systemic failures created a chaotic scene that lasted more than an hour before the gunman was finally confronted and killed. the nearly 80-page report is the first to criticize both state and federal law enforcement, not just local authorities and uvalde, for the bewildering inaction at robb elementary school. the report was written by an investigative committee from the texas house of representatives and released to family members today. two teachers, as you remember, 19 children were killed that day when it counted birth to a classroom and opened fire while on forsman officers waited and the school hallways. let me remind, you we have 400 officers, we're now learning from this report, as we take through this report to get more and more trickles of information that we're going to bring it to you. 400 officers, over an hour in 22 minutes from when that shooter entered robb elementary school to when he was, in fact, neutralized at 1:50 in the

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following this breaking dos out of uvalde, texas. the families of those who lost loved ones -- , who lost children, who lost a parent in the shooting at robb elementary school nearly a month ago now at this point. getting this report now, this 100 plus-page report, it details the failure of law enforcement to in fact act sooner as they stood by for one hour in 20 minutes. 19 children and two teachers lost their lives. we now have confirmation, the parents have now received this report. this report is an investigative report by the texas house investigative committee. it details systemic failures inside robb elementary school. we have all seen the video that was released last week. we are now learning that nearly

400 officers, both state and federal officers, were on hand at robb elementary school as 21 people lost their lives. 19 of them fourth graders in room 1:11 and 1:12. if you think about the timing of all of this, for when the shooter entered the school at 11:30 am to when he was neutralized at 12:15. an hour and 20 minutes past, as 400 officers stood by and did nothing. we want to bring in senator alexander who is standing by for us as we get more details from this report being released from texas, as the family is sifting through this unspeakable tragedy. cedric, it is every detail that comes out of what happened at robb elementary is astounding.

it's a total breakdown it seems, up what should have been done. an hour and 20 minutes past, we are now learning 400 officers at the school. before we go and talk about that, i want to go first to uvalde, live, as we are taking a look inside. this meeting, i believe -- let's see what's happening there and see what's being said. >> hi. >> okay, the motion prevails. the committee report is officially adopted. for members of the press, because the press conference will be conducted during a committee meeting, representatives of the media pushing to ask questions will have to complete a witness affirmation form. contact the clerk of the committee page or details -- make sure to do that. [inaudible] digest the report. -- >> our signal is not great. our signal is not great, but

this is a meeting at the texas house committee meeting releasing this report to the parents. the people that lost loved ones in side rob elementary school. we're bringing cedric back into this conversation. talk me through this, we're learning these details now. one of the most astounding, which is 400 officers on hand, state and federal officers, an hour in 20 minutes it took for them to neutralize the shooter, from 11:30 am to 12:15 in the afternoon. talk to me about what we are learning so far. your reaction to it all? >> first of all, let's put this in a little bit of perspective. as difficult as it may be. 400 officers being on the scene, that doesn't mean 400 officers were inside that school. there were a number of officers i'm quite sure that we're responding from a number of jurisdictions and from a number of different agencies over a period of time. so at some point, you may have

had up to 400 officers in and around the school, holding back perimeters, doing the investigations, et cetera. but when we think about it in that perspective, just remember, it wasn't 400 officers inside that school. what is concerning for me are the dozens of officers that were inside that school, and the delays that took place in terms of making a decision, in terms of responding to such a horrible event. a lack of leadership, the number of agencies that were involved and more difficult to digest here is the fact that they had -- one or two of those agencies locally had just received active shooter training. so i think it's very hard for the public to digest, and certainly for someone like myself and other law enforcement experts and colleagues i have talked to across the country, we cannot

find words for this. here is the part that is most troubling for me. all of it is troubling, but in addition to that, if we go back to the beginning of this event and how we were told how things unfolded. the shots that were fired, officers that were injured, the heroism, et cetera. and then, within 24 to 48 hours, as more information was learned and disclosed we find that there wasn't -- this wasn't what it was attempted to be painted as by, quite frankly, this texas state colonel, mcgraw. i think there is a lot of responsibility to go around here. a number of agencies that were represented inside that hallway, and the lack of reaction and the slowness and the inability

to respond with shields and helmets and long rifles, everybody did what they were trying to do as best they could. the teachers, as best they could. there is -- they are civilians, they did the best they could. the children, they were armed with nothing but crayons and coloring books. and yet those officers, who stood out there and it absolutely nothing for over an hour's unspeakable. in addition to that, i think it's important to note here that the heroes, quite frankly, and unfortunately, where the parents who attempted to get inside that building to rescue their own children and other peoples children as well. they are the heroes here. and think god for border patrol officers who took the courage, who said enough is enough to themselves, and they stormed that room. which we later learned was not

locked, and they did but they need to do to stop this threat. but the loss of those young lives, and now these parents have to sit there on this sunday afternoon and here this report of how they -- there children died senselessly, not just on the attacker itself but from the officers who stood there and did nothing with. and then, when you see the optics of someone taking sanitizer and washing their hands both gunshots are being fired, it just even worse since the optics of all of this. so my heart goes out to those families, to that community, this has been difficult for them. it's gonna be difficult for them for a very long time. hopefully those of us in law enforcement community will take this unfortunate event, go back and re-evaluate our training and what our commitment is to -- there are gonna be at times in this profession that we are

going to have to put it on the line. we do everything we can to protect the officers, make sure that they are protected. they have all the necessary equipment and tools in order to do their jobs. we want them to get home to, but there comes a moment, there comes a time, and this was one of those times, that we just have to go through the door, go through the wall, go through the ceiling, do whatever we gotta do to distract that gunfire away from these babies and from innocent victims so that they will have a chance. and we can fight because we have the equipment to do it. and they failed to do this on that day. in that city, in that hour, at that school. and god bless those families. >> cedric, you talk about the students being armed with crayons, coloring books. they called 9-1-1, over and over again. as their friends were being shot and killed, as their teachers were being shot and

killed, begging for help. saying please, somebody was inside! they did but they were supposed to do, even though children aren't supposed to have to call 9-1-1 from their school for help when an acid to shooter is inside. something like this is not supposed to happen. we're supposed to feel safe in an institution like a school. officers outside that classroom, arms with ballistic shields. an unlocked classroom, armed with ballistic shield, armed with automatic weapons, armed with handguns. but did nothing. if you are a parent who lost a child you want someone to be held responsible. it won't bring your kids back, but something has to be done. this is what these parents are saying. and they have not been purposeful, their lack of action -- but certainly negligence. shouldn't negligence be a reason why someone should be held responsible?

this is their job. >> it is their job. it is what you are sworn to do. and you have everything that you say you need in order to get the mission done. if you really remember, -- they said they didn't have shields on the scene for a period of time, didn't have everything they needed. >> they lied. >> but this video, clearly, it's a dress that was not the case. and, you know, it's unspeakable. it's hard to find words. and one of my close friends, who is a former chief, a superintendent to one of the busiest and largest city in the country. every last one of those officers in the hallway failed to take action, they should be terminated or should leave the profession, quite frankly. this is just unspeakable. when the public sees this, with

the public oftentimes will now face -- paint every 700,000 police officers with the same brush. that is not right. there are people out there serving at this very moment who would do what they had to do. i want to make sure that the public understands what we saw on that day is not indicative of the men and women who are out there at this very moment who are doing what they have to do in order to save lives. this is unfortunate, but we cannot and i will not allow this to be a reflection on the rest of the law enforcement community across this nation. so we have something to learn from this. as we move forward in doing active shooting training, this video needs to be a model of what you don't do. because i think this opportunities here to inspire a different reaction, different behavior and a different level of responsibility and

accountability. quite frankly, they don't fall -- >> cedric, i don't mean -- i don't mean to interrupt you, you because i hear you on all of this. but there been many opportunities, sadly, by the way, for there to be a different action here. combine. when the directive was, you go in. if you're by yourself with a handgun and the guy is armed with an ar, you go in. as you mentioned yourself, these guys had active shooter training. two months before, in the hallways of the uvalde school. they had active shooter training. they call out it abetted on facebook as well. right? >> right. >> and they misled the public in the direct aftermath of the shooting. you had gore-tex standing up, they're misleading the public. we're now learning, 400 officers, federal and state, stood by as 19 children and two adults were killed. they stood by. and they try to pass the buck to local officials.

it seems like the culpability, the responsibility, goes all the way around. we're going to talk more about this as we look more into this report as is being released, as 100 plus-page report. cedric, i know you're going to stick with, me appreciate you on that. we're also going to go to priscilla thompson standing by for us and uvalde, has been reporting on this extensively for the last few weeks or so. so, stick with me, everybody. we'll be right back. th me, everybody we'll be right back. that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right? >> all right, everybody, yeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator. [whistling]

welcome back. we're following breaking news this hour, this released -- breaking, news i should, say this hour. that's 100 plus-page report by the texas house investigative committee looking at a what took place during the uvalde shooting. of, course based off this video that we are seeing here that was obviously released last, week leaked last week. the parents receiving this for a report, we're getting confirmation now that parents have this report in hand. we want to bring in priscilla thompson for us, who's on the

ground in uvalde, texas and following the story, getting parents reactions as well over the last few days or so. priscilla, talk to, me as we are learning more details from this report, these 400 or so officers, state and federal, or on the ground here in response, doing nothing for one plus hour. way to point the finger? who holds the responsibility for what went wrong? what more are we learning? >> yeah, some pretty startling information in this report. i've got to tell, you from speaking to some of the families in this community and particularly those who have lost loved ones, i don't know but they are surprised by this information. because after even just hearing that 77 minutes past, you had to have known that something here went terribly wrong. and so, now, i think we're getting the specific details about where exactly those failures are. and, notably, so much of the conversation about the accountability has focused on the school police chief, pete

arredondo. but this report appears to really spread the accountability out among all of these different agencies that were on site. you mentioned the hundreds of officers who were there, from various agencies. saying that everyone had a responsibility in the situation and there were systemic failures, some of what was mentioned in that report. though, notably, they make a point to say the only person in this situation who operated with any sort of ill will was the shooter. who had malice, that was the shooter. but they also say this report is not going to bring any of the loved ones who have been lost back, they recognize that. justin speaking with some of the family members, i think that's something they acknowledge to. this report, for some of them, means nothing. it does nothing for them, because their child or their grandchild or their sibling is still lost in all of this.

of course, the thing they don't see, i'll be curious to speak to more folks want to actually read through more of the report, as what they are looking for, a lot of the accountability here. is, okay, what does accountability look like? does it look like people being fired? does it look like systemic changes to ensure this doesn't happen again? we're also seeing, in this report, a lot of information about some of the security measures at the school. like the door being propped open, or the fencing. is any not going to change moving forward. i think that families and people in this community are looking for change and i have no doubt, we just watched live the committee gavel in and they're heading to the junior college to meet with the families. i have no doubt that it's going to be another very difficult meeting, another very difficult moment for these families. because, while this report does provide information, it's not going to bring the loved ones back and we're not seeing that

accountability yet that so many people in this community are looking for and have been calling for. but, hopefully, these answers will provide something. just not sure how far that something goes in this community that is dealing with so much hurt and so much loss. >> well, and i wonder, priscilla, because when i was on the ground there, directly following the shooting, there was already so much mistrust with the information that was trickling out. because every day something that was said the day before was proved wrong. right? and that continues to happen. even as parents read this report, i want if they've interest what they're reading. how can they, at this point? considering how botched all of this has been. >> that is another huge piece of it, yasmin. in fact, when we are speaking with the grandfather of leyla salazar, he said he doesn't believe he'll ever get the truth. i'll read the report, digested, but he doesn't know if this is a cover-up or if there is something being hidden or not

accurately communicated in this report. so, already, in his mind, he says he doesn't think he's ever going to know what really happened. and all of the facts, all of the details. but what he does say is that, regardless of what the facts may be, he feels like a root problem, having lived through this experience, is that he wants to see some sort of gun reform. so, in speaking with him, the conversation went there. like, yes, there should be accountability for the people involved in this specific situation, but also there has to be a bigger change to ensure that this doesn't happen and that officers, let alone children, are not placed in the situation again. he feels like back in only be achieved by changing the gun laws so that an 18 year old can't get their hands on an air 15 and walked into a school and do something like this. >> yeah, which does not necessarily seem like it's going to happen. whether be in the state of texas or on a federal level. obviously, many people have

gone on this program, many texas state legislators have come on this program asking for a special session to address the gun laws in the state of texas. the governor, refusing to do that. obviously, we've seen on the federal level, some of the gun reform legislation that has been put into place. but if it, though, addresses either an all out ban on ar style weapons and were in increase in age. that's really an uphill battle, i'm sure incredibly frustrating, especially to people who have lost a child in all of this. as more and more of these details are emerging, as i'm looking through some of these details from this report. it is just incredibly astounding, let me just read one part after the washington post for you as you get a break here. which is talking about peter donda, which many know as, essentially, the school district police chief. he wrote this active shooter response planted assigned himself as the incident commander, but did not, in fact, follow the protocol that he had set up. as priscilla spoke, about the kind of cast this wider net of responsibility here.

say, this void of leadership could have in fact contributed to the loss of life, as injured victims waited over now for help and the attacker continue to sporadically fire his weapon. they say, rather than isolate blame on local officers that some had since the shooting, this report has a broader net. hundreds of responders, from numerous law enforcement agencies, many of whom were better trained and better equipped than the school district police, quickly arrived on the scene. those are the responders, who also had training an active shooter response and the inter relational enforcement agencies, could have helped to address the unfolding chaos. yet, in this chaos, no responder seized the initiative. there are so many more startling details coming out of this report. and i'm sure, as we are all shocked to read, it you can only imagine what it's like to be a mother or father who has to go through this report as well, and no longer has their child with them, beside them. priscilla, standby for me. we don't have much more at all, this will be right back.

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