the kind of inaction we are seeing from state republicans when it comes to things that actually matter, like the power grid, it's not only dangerous but already proven to be deadly. well, that is it for this hour. i'm julián castro in for alicia menendez. more american voices next weekend starting at 6 pm eastern. but for now, got to hand it over to a man molly dean. amen. >> hey, julián, thank you so much for covering that. i was thinking about, this because i was watching a clip online about how the media covers climate change and heat waves in particular in texas. too many times, it's done with this kind of caricatures with a cool off, eat morey, screenplay in the water, and it is not capture the sense of urgency that you were just talking about there in texas. thanks for putting the spotlight on that and a reminder to us that we've got to take a seriously. we have to take it more seriously. >> absolutely. it really does get dangerous

and deadly when it gets to hot that often. >> good to see you, my friend. enjoy the rest of your evening. at often >>welcome to a special two hour edition of eamonn. ahead, systemic failures, and egregious decision-making. we have the breaking details of a new preliminary report into the uvalde school massacre. plus, conservative supreme court justices are erasing the line that separates church and state in america. then, bernie sanders on the attack. who he is accusing of sabotaging the presidents agenda. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. breaking news tonight, the most exhaustive report he had on the may 24th mass shooting inside the uvalde texas elementary school. spread blame across every law enforcement agency responding to the attack faulting local police for mistakes and more

experienced agencies for failing to take charge a. texas house investigative committee issued a preliminary report, detailing what it described as a systemic failure by authorities during the shooting at robb elementary that left 21 dead. one of the stunning details in this preliminary report is the committees conclusion that law enforcement responders failed to adhere to their own active shooter training, and failed to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their own safety. 376 officers, yeah, you heard it correctly. 376 officers from local state and federal levels, rushed to robb elementary during the shooting, but as we saw in that new surveillance video that was released this week, police still waited 77 minutes. that's more than an entire hour before confronting the gunman. the preliminary report says, quote, the void of leadership

could have contributed to the loss of life as injured victims waited over an hour for help. and the attacker continued to sporadically fire his weapon. here is the chairman of the investigative committee during a press conference earlier tonight. >> the officers who knew or should have known that this was an active shooter situation by their training experience should have done more. there was chaos on the scene and certainly, certainly, with the chaos, people should have asked why is there not an incident commander? why is there not an overall commander outside the building helping try to organize it? there was a lack of effective overall commend. >> eovaldi mayor -- maclachlan spoke to the press this past hour announcing that the city is conducting an investigation into the police response. >> the city of uvalde will be conducting an internal investigation regarding our police departments actions and policies and procedures. the city explains lieutenant

mariano on administrative leave, lieutenant parkas was the acting chief in the city of uvalde on the day of the shooting. >> let's go to our panel ford reaction on all these developments. jim kavanaugh, msnbc terrorism contributor and retired atf special agent in charge. mark claxton, retired nypd detective and director of the black enforcement lights alliance. gentlemen, great to have you with us. jim, we knew it was going to be bad. we did not imagine it would be this bad. the report that came out today is worse than i think most of us anticipated. your reaction to this preliminary report? >> well, i think you're right, and good to see you by the way. it's terrible. it invites the system and law enforcement. certainly school leaders for not having those doors locked. sloppy security. there is many people to blame. i do think we have to be careful, because some of the

stuff in the report is almost like sand in our eyes and chaff. we don't get to the real meat of the matter that it's kind of hidden with the highlights. i like to describe it like this. look, the first three officers and we see it on the video, they go down the hall. they get wounded. they get shot, and they retreat. you can't blame them for retreating, but the next three officers that were in the hall at that moment should have went in and charged into the door. it was not walked. if that did not happen, which it didn't, because only the first three went and retreated, nobody else went, that's when the comment which should have been established right outside the door of the school, right on the outside, the incident commander, sergeants, lieutenants from the state police, the border patrol, agents in charge from the federal agencies, we've done this many times. but when you get into a shooting, a bombing, a violent situation, the command, we'll meet quick upfront, outside. we establish decision-making,

because that is the job of the leader. that was not done. so, initially, no direction was needed. no leadership was needed, initially, because it's all built into the training. that is to go right in that triangle stack and kill the active killer. they were repelled and did not launch another tactic. they should have without anybody telling them to. if that failed, then the leadership, which should have been right outside the door, sergeants, lieutenants, agents in charge, should have said get more agents and cops over here. you guys going or go back around a window or let's get -- let's go kill him. that's the biggest failure. i would just say that, you know, there's 350 cops there. oh, somebody had a hand sanitizer. oh, there was radios. a lot of that is just chaff, because the key failures are the ones i just described, and if those had been done correctly, then more kids would have been alive. >> fair enough. fair point. your initial thoughts on the

report before we get into a little bit more? >> i've got to agree with jim on so many points and from a tactical standpoint. the report really could have been 150 pages long if they devoted themselves strictly to the tactics, but i think some of them report on another level, because tactics is a lot of inside baseball. those of us in law enforcement have that kind of experience and exposure. we have a deeper appreciation for good tactics, realizing that it saves lives, but aside from that, i think the main takeaway from the report, which is a lot of obvious and known facts, but anyway, it is that law enforcement responders there from many different agencies and entities failed miserably. those failures may have resulted in additional loss of life, whereas the responsibility of professional

law enforcement is to protect and preserve human life. in this particular instance, the inactions may have actually caused life. i think we could all agree that law enforcement throughout the nation on all levels, state and local, federal, train, train, train, and go through the motions to deal with the active shooters on a daily basis. there's no question about whether or not they were equipped and resourced to take the appropriate action that saves lives. it just failed to do so, and what makes it especially disturbing is that he had different agencies there. even if there was a failure or perhaps locally agencies to act appropriately, he would hold that maybe the state or one of the federal authorities would take command and take a lead. and establish command by being

assertive. you start to direct and man you are locations there, et cetera. and i think, what is especially insulting and disturbing for families who lost loved ones is that this is just another case for politicians tending to lionize law enforcement and insulate them, and immunize them, if you will, from culpability. there's no such thing as, this is an operational failure. everything went wrong, but there is not a person or people who you can point directly to and hold them fully accountable. that is what is missing from the report. what's the next action about holding people accountable? specifically, how do you plan on holding those people who failed accountable? >> i remember earlier on the governor of texas, greg abbott came out and said this could have been a lot worse had the police not responded the way they did. i can't imagine it being any more snow that we've gotten these reports and learned about

what was happening in those critical moments. gentlemen, we're going to continue this conversation later on. jim kavanaugh, mark claxton, thank you very much for your insights. still ahead, the supreme court's conservative majority is destroying the separation between church and state. we will tell you about that in just a sec. between church and state between church and state we will tell youas. - llamas. so save money shopping back to school on amazon. you sure that's not a camel? yeah. whatever you say. just a sec just a sec

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senior flamboyant baptist minister announced his intention to build one of the most powerful political -- one of the coalitions in most powerful american history and the more majority as it will later be tagged was not only instrumental in the election of ronald reagan, it also forged this bond between the republican party and christian fundamentalist groups that persist till this day. consider how many conservative candidates in recent years called for their cushion believes to serve as the bedrock of american identity. you have dug mastriano in pennsylvania. he just won the republican gubernatorial primer, excuse me, he claimed that the separation of church and state is a myth. that sentiment has been echoed by republican congresswoman lauren and marjorie taylor greene, and in fact, just this month, wilbur described the separation of his church and state as junk. now you might be tempted to dismiss that statement, but

this is coming from a sitting member of congress. believes that used to be held by fringed extremists are now held by people who hold positions of power inside the u.s. government. arguably nowhere has been more impacted by this ongoing bond between christian fundamentalists and conservatives and the supreme court. just this term, the court's conservative majority ruled that state programs providing money for public school tuition cannot exclude religious schools. the conservative majority back to high school football coach who was suspended by the public school district for leading christian prayers with players on the field. but and this is the most important point for us to make here. the influence of christian extremism on the supreme court goes well beyond cases with a specific religious bet. it's the reason that the court just overthrown roe v. wade -- the movement was disbanded in the late 80s, but it is clear

that we now are, and will be forever changed as a nation because of the religious beliefs of the few. tuning in now is the professor at harvard law school and coauthor to end presidency, the power of impeachment. professor, great to have you back on the show. talk to me from a legal point of view how you believe conservatives have eroded the wall separating church and state in america go thank you for having. me on, >> and thank you so much for recognizing that this fundamental issue, fundamental to the very nature of our republic, which is not supposed to be a theocracy, but a secular republican form of government. thank you for -- present not only in the obvious cases, they cases where a public football coach,

surrounded by players who are pressured to join them in prayer raise an issue about separation of church and state. not just in cases where public money is spent on religious schools. but cases where our freedom, our liberty, our bodily integrity is involved. specifically the overruling of roe v. wade. when the court, in the majority opinion by justice alito, said this case is different from all others, you don't have to worry about same-sex marriage, you don't have to worry about contraception, you don't have to worry about sexual intimacy because in this case, we are protecting the life of an unburnt born child. from the moment of conception, the court basically says, there is a unique soul, they didn't use those words, but that's the

only way to understand this decision. there are many religions that teach that a human souls created a conception. but there is no secular basis to draw that line. some religions have a very different view, they say that until much later point in pregnancy, all you have is potential life. and of, course there's potential life. that's true even of the unfertilized over. but there are some religions, some other orthodox jews and others, and says that our religion teachers that we must prioritize the health and life of the mother over the fetus. when we have disputes that religious kind, the solution is not for the state to take sides. not for the state to say, as the supreme court said, and some states may choose to say, that we're gonna go with the christian point of view of certain evangelicals or

catholics. the solution is to leave the choice to the individual, and her family, her doctor. the court has crossed that line, and that is very dangerous. >> why are the conservative justices so willing to go along with this, you think? is it because of their own individual religious ideologies? >> i can't pretend to know what makes them tick, personally. but they are not just going along with it. this has been their agenda since the beginning. amy coney barrett, who is a member of a particular religious group that says that the woman is supposed to do whatever husband wants her to do. has, from the very beginning, said that roe v. wade is an abomination. justices like kavanaugh and gorsuch. who are new on the court, and alito and -- have had this is part of their political agenda, to blend religion and politics.

and as the dissenting justices said, that's very dangerous in a country of 300 million with more than 100 religions. the only way we can have civil piece, is to avoid having the government endorsed any particular religious view. and until a few days ago, that was the position of the supreme court. it was the non endorsement test that said, whether or not anyone is forced to adopt a religion, the government shouldn't put its weight behind a religious view, shouldn't endorse that view. justice gorsuch, writing for the majority in one of the cases that the court decided. specifically the case involving coach kennedy said, we are no longer going to look at whether government is putting its weight behind a certain religion, unless we can find coercion. and then he basically presented a pretty phony picture of the

facts, justice sotomayor, showed a picture of the pressure on the football players. >> yeah, he was not alone at the 50 yard line, as what was widely believed when you look at the image. where do you think this may lead us? you touched on this in the concurrence that was issued in the roe case, that ultimately overturned roe v. wade,, and the dog's case. the fear among others, this religious -- when you listen to people like ted cruz who say that the supreme court made the wrong decision about same-sex marriage. where do you see this going next? >> i'm afraid it's not just ted cruz, but it was the justices themselves, several of them, that said that -- same sex marriage, really deserves to be respected as president. i haven't heard justice thomas, who has attacked -- , and attacked cases like

lawrence v texas involving same-sex intimacy, i haven't heard him attack this supreme court's decision about interracial marriage. but it's all part of the fabric that says that when a certain kind of christian belief says that you are not supposed to act in a certain way, the people who hold that belief can get states on their side to impose coercion. when you have people imposing their beliefs coercively, we are in trouble. >> one of the things that justice kavanaugh, and justice thomas, and some of the other justices did. in particular, justice alito in the majority of hear opinion. he cites sir robert hale, in support of this view. robert hill was a 17th century thinker, who believe that women should be burned as witches. i'm not saying this court will

go that far, but a court that treats that as part of the original meeting of the constitution, and basically trashes the wall of separation between church and state, that was so important to jefferson and madison, is a court that can lead us to theoretical tyranny. that's the direction in which is heading, unless we do something about it. >> that, fred, is very real, both on a supreme court and state level when you look at some of the ways that state legislators are trying to limit personal choice. professor laurence tribe, it's always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> still ahead, a major birth control breakthrough that might be on the horizon for americans. congressman barr really joins us to discuss that, and much more, next. >> s that, and much s that, and much more >> ♪ breeze driftin' on by ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪

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willis or degree who are intentionally and sabotaging the presidents agenda, with the american people want on the majority of us in the democratic caucus want. nothing new about this and the problem was let we continue to talk to manchin like he was serious. this is the guy who is a major recipient of fossil fuel and receive campaign contributions from 25 republican billionaires. >> that was senator bernie sanders, not holding back any punches just days after senator joe manchin tanked -- of the most important priorities. new climate spending and tax hikes on the rich. in response, president biden said he would take, quote, strong executive action to address climate change and urged democrats to pass legislation to lower health care costs, which mentioned claims he still supports. i'm joined now by barbara lee

of california, congresswoman thank you so much for making time for us this evening. frustrations in your party are boiling over after joe manchin pulled the plug on climate change legislation in your colleague house budget committee chairman said this means we are all going to die. others say, john podesta and others have said that he single-handedly toward being -- torpedoing civilization. >> thank you very much for having me this evening. let me tell you, my reaction, first of all, to contain myself in terms of how i really feel, i am totally disappointed, because so many times he has said that he would work with the president and with democrats to negotiate, refine, reduce bill on climate, on all of the issues that we have had in our build back better bill, which directly impact inflation and the concept of living for

people. he said that he would support in many ways some of the provisions if we paired them back. but yet, when the time comes, that does not happen. so a couple of things. i think the president needs to act. you need to act boldly and immediately. this is a climate emergency. the president can move forward within his powers to do what he could do. secondly, we have to remember, elections have consequences. we've got a vote in november. why do we vote? one reason is so that we can have at least two more senators who will help us with the carve out or in the filibuster, because so much is at stake. voting rights is at stake. the climate is at stake. we have the right to reproductive freedom is that steak. we have democratic holding up measures that affect our democracy and people's personal liberties and freedoms.

that's unacceptable. we have to move forward and make sure we understand why we must vote in november. that is so we can have this carve out in the filibuster, which i think should happen, and i'm really disappointed that senator manchin keeps going back on his word, but i think we have a realistic view now where he is that. i think the president has got to act and act immediately, because this is a crisis. it's a climate crisis. it's an emergency. we've seen it in my state of california. we've seen it with hurricanes. we've seen it all over the world. >> i was going to say, how does that saying go? fully ones -- fool me once, shame is on you, fool me twice, shame on me. but with joe manchin, he keeps pulling democrats and they keep falling for it. how many times are they gonna let him pretend to be a good faith negotiator on so many of these issues? >> i think we're trying to get a deal. we're trying to do something for the people. >> fair enough. >> you know?

>> go ahead, finish your thought. i didn't want to interrupt you. i was saying farren a. >> i'm trying to get a deal. we are trying to move this forward. people deserve democrats to be on their side. we made a lot of promises during the campaign and we are going to deliver. that is what we've been fighting for. i'm not going to give up and i don't think any less of us are going to give up. in the meantime, we've got to figure out ways to circle the wagons and do the job, which we were elected to do and make sure that the president comes forward with bold actions on climate. >> okay, so let me ask you about elections, since you brought them up. we are about four months away from the midterms. your colleague, jim himes says the main talking points on abortion rights, elect more democrats in order to push the senate to act, as you just suggested there as well, with overriding the filibuster. it's only making voters a little bit frustrated. what do you say to those

democratic voters who are frustrated with the way democrats are governing at the moment? >> i'm going to say to democrat voters, i'm frustrated also. i feel the anxious and anxiety and the pain. we're in it every day and in the trenches. but i'm not giving up. i understand and know very well wet representation means, and it matters. believe you me, you do not want to see a republican house and senate, which then will move forward as mitch mcconnell said, and establish a national abortion rights fan. you don't want a senate that is going to take and move forward in a more escalated fashion to take away our voting rights. you don't want to see a senate is gonna do everything to take away our freedoms that we still have, and our democracy. there were histories that were very fundamental to voting. what we are seeing now is a move toward autocracy in this

country. the erosion of our democratic rights. that's enough for me to encourage people, as hard as it is, to say, you know, we have an agenda that is going to address inflation, which we do, reduce the cost of living, which we do, and all of this is right now in build back better. we can move forward in the house and pass, and so we have to educate the public about what we have done, what we will do and what we are doing and incorporated at all of that is the fragile nature of our democracy. so, we cannot allow the trump republicans to take over and move forward to dismantle what is left of our democratic form of government. that is enough for me to fight hard to get people registered, to go to the polls and vote for democrats who are going to stand for the people. >> let me ask you really quickly, we are almost out of

time, and i apologize for that, but we have about 30 seconds left. you've called for over the counter birth control pills to be made available in the u.s.. as they are really in the most of the rest of the world. tell me a little bit about that and if there's any progress on that. >> sure, the dog's decision on these court decisions have highlighted so many of the gaps in our health care system. right now, people, especially black and brown people, low income people, they don't have health care. they don't have access to health care, which means they don't have access to a doctor, which means they don't have access to prescription so that they could take that prescription to the drugstore to get birth control pills. we say to republicans now trying to maybe what's next? the roche an and trying to dismantle access to birth control. we are trying to make sure -- we wrote a letter to say look, we want you to look at the

efficacy and safety of over the counter birth control pills. we know that some companies are in the process of trying to present that to the fda, and we want you to look at how you can expedite this, but of course we want to make sure they are safe. so we are pushing very hard. the fda responded and said they understand. have locations of over the counter birth control pills, and they are looking at it. we have to have this. believe you me, they're trying to take away access to birth control pills and contraception and family planning. they're trying to criminalize people who are exercising their reproductive freedom. they're trying to establish a system where people are spying on each other through vigilante kind of aspects of what they're doing and all of these court decisions. we are in a critical point no. it's a state of emergency, i believe. we have asked for the declaration of a national public health emergency, because that is where we are in terms of reproductive freedom

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in one second, sara. yes! will get a job offer somewhere sunnier. relocating in weeks. weeks? yeah, weeks. gotta sell the house. don't worry, sell to opendoor, and move on your schedule. yes! when life's doors open, we'll handle the house. president biden is back on u.s. soil after his first presidential trip to the middle east, and it seems he has little to show for his troubles. president biden received zero concrete commitments from saudi arabia on oil production and he made no significant progress toward an israeli palestinian solution. i talk about this and more earlier with the spokesperson for the embassy of saudi arabian washington d.c. -- >> fahed, thank you so much.

i know it's been a busy couple days for you. i would like to start first with the meeting. the images we saw and we can talk about the substance of what came out. president biden on friday met with the crown prince. he said he spoke about the killing of jamal khashoggi, what can you tell us about how that meeting went and did the crown prince pushback on the president when he raised khashoggi's murder? >> well, first of all, let me say that the decision by president biden to visit saudi arabia on his first trip to the region is a testament to the strength and the importance of the relationship and this is a long-standing relationship that has served the national security interest of both countries. i also think that has been good for the region any international community more broadly. well obviously i think the meeting went very well. it was very cultural. they discussed a lot of issues on common interests. the issue of mr. khashoggi did

come up. as you know, we have been saying now for the past three years that the murder of mr. khashoggi was a heinous crime. he was an affront to both our laws and values, and the people who were behind it were arrested. prosecuted. they were held accountable. we also took concrete measures to make sure that something like this never happens again. if you look at our 90-year history, he will find that this is simply not how we do things. it is not who we are. >> a lot has been made about which the u.s. was trying to get out of this trip, whether it's oil prices or various bilateral cooperation agreements. i want to know with the saudi government wanted from president biden's trip. what does the saudi government loan from the u.s., and did you get it with this visit? >> right, so anytime the president visits saudi a reba, who we consider that to be a success. as i said, i think it is a testament to the jury ability

and strength of the relationship. the relationship, in many ways, as multidimensional. it has a political component. it has a military component. it has an economic component. all of these issues were discussed during the meeting, but not only that, i think the meeting and visit in some ways has set the stage for that next 80 years of relations, so there's a number of challenges that we both in the united states as well as saudi arabia, but also the broader international community, climate change, cybersecurity, food security, and all these elements that were also discussed. it set the stage for the next eight years, and including by concluding, i believe, 18 different agreements that will reinforce cooperation in terms of cybersecurity, energy, food security as well as the health care in terms of preventing future pandemics. >> i'm sure you saw, before president biden left for his trip, he wrote in the

washington post that his aim was to reorient, but not rupture relations with saudi arabia. do you think this trip has done that? did you agree with that assessment, that this was not about repurposing the truth, but really orienting the relationship? >> i mean, if you read the joint communiqué that was issued yesterday after bilateral meetings, that president biden had both with the custodian -- as well as his royal highness, you see that the areas of agreements, the common interests, a common concerns that we have is a long list. we, to a great extent, our concerns and policies broadly align on a number of issues. we are both committed to finding revolutions -- resolutions on some of the political crises across the region, primarily yemen, and i think we are working very closely there. i think we are a little bit closer than we were a few months ago to resolving that

conflict. over the years we worked very closely to push back against militant groups, terrorist groups like isis and al-qaeda and others. we are also continuing to have conversations about the importance of maintaining stable international energy markets. all of these issues were on the table. all of them were discussed and reinforced. so i think we are happy with thatso i think we are happ you bring up the subject of yemen -- strengthening the un mediated. cease-fire. what does that exactly mean, the people of yemen, we can all agree, are all suffering even under the cease-fire. there's been a blockade on the country of yemen, i know that saudi arabia has been attacked by missiles coming out of yemen -- about lifting the blockade, and getting food aid into yemen, did you get something in exchange for the americans about york security concerns from yemen? >> right, so there is no

blockade. in, fact saudi arabia is the biggest provider of humanitarian aid to yemen over the course of the crisis. we've provided 19 billion dollars for humanitarian assistance. this is come in the form of food, medicine, assistance to it internally displaced people, assistance to the central bank. we're beginning to build hospitals, schools. i'm not sure how this blockade story, or narrative has kind of spread. but it's certainly not the case. saudi arabia, in fact, is doing everything it can to restore peace and stability to yemen. we're working very closely not just the united nations, we're working very closely with the united states as well. we've been doing this for a number of years. i think we are closer now than we were three months ago, because we do have this ongoing truce. there's also a leadership change, you have this leadership council now that is representative of various segments. and regions of yemen. we believe these are important

steps for them, in the right direction. >> and what about your security concerns, coming out of yemen? obviously, saudi arabia has been hit in the pass. do you have any assurances from the u.s. that it will provide for you defensive capabilities? is it going to sell you offensive capabilities? >> again, if you read the communiqué, if you listen to president biden's speech today. his commitment to the security of saudi arabia and abroad region, very clear. obviously a military and security component to this relationship, has been a pillar going back decades. we will continue to talk with our u.s. partners. we have no higher priority then protecting the safety of our people and our territory, and we will do whatever it takes to make sure that is possible. >> all right, the head nova, greatly appreciate your time this evening.

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are as americans. >> that was president biden on saturday, at the gcc plus three summit in saudi arabia, the final stop on his middle east trip. he's been treated criticize for traveling to saudi arabia, and meeting with mohammed bin salman. one of those critics's -- , her brother is a humanitarian aid worker and human rights activist, who is serving 20 years in a saudi prison, for what she says were trumped up charges. she joins me now. thank you very much for making time for us. let's start with what is happening to your brother, and his story. what can you tell us about what happened, him and what you have heard from him since his arrest. >> thank, you first of, all for having me. so my brother is an aid worker for the red cross, he was detained more than four years ago from the office where you worked without a warrant. and disappeared ever since. after two years of complete disappearance, and been held

incommunicado. he was only allowed one minute call, and anyone into another year of disappearance. all of that time we are without a single -- . after three years of disappearance in solitary confinement, without allowing any communication to us, or accept any legal counsel. he was brought to a secret sham trial, and got sentenced to 20 years in prison, and a travel, ban, over city rico tweets. all that was presented in the court where pages and pages of satirical tweets. during his disappearance, we found out that he was brutally tortured with electric shocks, beatings, sleep deprivation. he was admitted to the intensive care unit for five days fighting for his life. they broke his hand and smashed his fingers. my brother was an inch close to basically losing his life as a result of a torture. and today, he is still --

last time we've heard anything about my brother was almost a year ago, after the appeal hearing. he got disappeared again, all of our requests for visits and calls are being denied completely, even with the torture and disappearance were brought up in the court, and were visible. the signs of torture were visible in the court, the judges have ignored it completely. >> you've described a very disturbing and very harrowing account that your brother has had to endure. just for tweeting. you've called on president biden to speak to the saudis about your brother's case. do you think that it's happened? has he been brought up in any of the meetings that were taking place in the run up to the summit, as well as the meeting between the president and the crown prince? >> and the president and the -- biden administration are very wary of the case, my hopes is that they brought up this case. it's not just bringing up the case, he's been disappear now for years and years. they want him to be released,

we want to be able to communicate with him. so our houses that my brother's case was brought up in this meeting, and when he met with the crown prince, and the request to get him released is also made during that visit. but we don't know, basically, we only know what is being reported in the media. so far, we have no updates, we have no news if my brother's case -- if there's any improvement, and if they're able to communicate with him again, if he'll be able to be released. so, far many other families and ours are waiting anxiously, saying we feel very disappointed. we don't see any real changes, and he really guarantees to protect our human rights, to protect our loved ones, to bring our loved ones home, and allow us to communicate with them. instead we are living with this, you know, continuous torture on

my family, and of course the disappearance of my brother. we don't know which state he is in, after all the terrible torture he went through. and also the fact that he has been taken from our lives forever. 40 years of basically collective punishment, disappearance, followed by travel bans. that means my family, my parents will never be able to see my brother again. my mom will never be able to see my brother again. my mom is an american citizen living in this country. >> can i just ask you -- we have about 30 seconds left. i just want to ask you very quickly about the perception of saudi arabia becoming more liberal, more tolerant, more open under this crown prince. we've seen the images of concerts, and more tourism, and more hotels. if somebody knows that country, what do you make of that? how does that juxtaposed to the reality that you know inside the kingdom? >> yes, all of these changes are nothing but whitewashing to the fact that there are more abuse is happening in the country. all these changes are

superficial, just to show an image to the west, but not real changes that really affect peoples lives. unemployment is on the rise, people are suffering -- that basically they are living under constant fear. anybody can be -- for any, reason or even no reason. there is more detention, there's more in for his disappearance, there's more torture. there is more oppression going on at a very high-level. >> thank you so much for a time, we wish your mother the best and hopefully we'll get some answers from the administration about whether or not they are making more of an effort to get released. thank you. still ahead, the new phone number that can save lives in america. number that ca only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ only pay for what you need. before discovering nexium 24hr

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