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the attorney for the doctor who was defamed by indiana's attorney general for doing her job, ending the pregnancy of a raped ten-year-old girl. this is just too all of to ignore. a viral video of a costumed employee at sesame place giving the cold shoulder to two adorable black girls. now, others are coming forward to say it happened to them, too. we begin tonight with what those in charge of protecting the president might be protecting themselves. with growing questions over deleted text messages from agents on the day of the insurrection. as the january 6th committee collection additional evidence ahead of thursday's primetime hearing, nbc news has learned that the secret service has no new text messages related to the attack to hand over. "the washington post" first reported the development knowing that any other texts that agents exchanged around the time of the attack on the capitol were purged. in other words, potentially realtime communications of agents in contact with the

former president on that day are likely gone forever. the wiped messages were disclosed last week by the department of homeland security inspector general, and the secret service has denied the text messages were deleted maliciously, but as part of a system reset, apparently lost in migration. committee member stephanie murray described the secret service's actions to the great nicolle wallace. >> their process as explained to us was simply to leave it to the agents to determine whether or not there was anything on their phones worth saving that was necessary to save for federal records, and as a result today they have -- they did not receive any texts from their agents when they made that transition that was flagged for preservation. >> murphy said the secret service would continue to explore additional ways to secure the subpoenaed text messages. for its part in a statement, the is a exseek spokesman says the

agency continues to be fully cooperative with the january 6th select committee, noting that the agency delivered an initial set of documents and records in response to last week's subpoenas. that includes documents as well as secret service cell phone use as other policies as well as operational and planning records. today the national archives called on the secret service to investigate the potential unauthorized deletion of texts. the secret service has 30 days to explain what was deleted and how it was lost. a spokesman for the secret service said it will cooperate with that request. now all of this comes as the committee is preparing for more bombshell testimony in thursday's primetime hearing. it will proceed as scheduled without committee chair bennie thompson who has tested positive with covid. wish him a speedy recovery. the hearing is expected to focus on trump's 187 minutes of inaction during the attack on the capitol and will feature new testimony from two former trump administration officials.

former deputy press secretary sarah matthews and former deputy national security adviser daniel pottinger who both resigned in the aftermath of the attack. in her deposition matthews recalled the effort to get the former president to make a statement. >> we had all talked about -- at that point about how it was bad and the situation was getting out of hand. we thought that the president needed to tweet something and tweet something immediately. we all got a notification, so we knew it was a tweet from the president, and we looked down and it was a tweet about mike pence. it was clear that was escalating and escalating quickly. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> the situation was already bad so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that. >> meanwhile, matthew pottinger said the former president's tweet at 2:24 p.m. on january 6th attacking vice president mike pence was the turning point

for him. >> the tweet said something to the effect that mike pence, the vice president, didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. i read that tweet and made a decision at that moment to resign. that's where i knew that i was leaving that day. >> joining me now is a senior politics reporter for "rolling stone" and charles coleman jr., a civil rights attorney and jaupta toliver, a political strategist and msnbc analyst. thanks for all being here. i want to start with the secret service situation because it's fishy here. one of my great producers pulled this piece and she's reporting about the secret service history of using critical records. here's what she wrote. the secret service has had a

history of important records disappearing under the cover of night. when a congressional committee was investigating assassination attempts it showed evidence that the secret service received ample warnings and threats before john f. kennedy's death that white supremacists were plan to kill kennedy from tall buildings. the secret service told them the record had been destroyed as part of a normal killing of old archives, days after investigators had requested them. so just as a journalist, do these denials of nothing being fishy, nothing to see here, how do these ring with you? >> well, the situation at the very least right now does not look good at all, but just to back it up for a moment in terms of what donald trump while he was president demanded of his own secret service detail. here's what we know based on conversations with people who

worked with him at the time during his administration. he personally, whether or not he got it on individual case-by-base basises demanded virtually the same kind of fealty and loyalty that he would demand of an administration official, an attorney general, a white house lawyer, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, so to him what he was demanding of his secret service detail was not that much different from what he was demanding of other staff in the administration and in the west wing, so there's that. having said that in terms of what these deleted texts means there's more investigation to be done and a lot more answers to actually come to fruition. i don't want to jump the gun on anything so to speak, but at the very least on the record denials from a secret service spokesperson is not nearly enough right now in order to clear up all the questions remaining on this. the first question that i have is do they know if the purged messages were from agents on

pence's or donald trump's detail? that is an important unanswered question right now. >> there's a lot of unanswered question. i want to go to you on this, charles, because it would be relevant that the people who were the most physically close and the closest physical proximity to donald trump on the day of the insurrection, that would be his secret service detail what, were they saying to each snow shower what were they saying to other people like tone el ornato who went from being on trump's detail to getting a job in the white house? that doesn't happen very often, that the closeness was so real that he elevated a secret service agent to that kind of a job. the ultra loyalty means that you don't know what they were saying and they could have been saying something relevant. as a prosecutor looking at this, is there a way to reconstruct these things based on them handing over the phone records of who people were calling, or is there any way to reconstruct, or are these records just gone? >> well, joy to reconstruct the

actual text messages is going to be a herculean task. i think that if you're talking about how to get in sum and substance what those conversations were you're exactly right. you would training late the cell phones and figure out who was where and who proximity they were and more than likely if they were having conversations via text they were having conversations verbally and orally. and then you would like to see how there are different versions of the accounts and if the conversations matched up, but there is an important point i wanted to make quickly. i've been in charge of trials and investigations before, and what i can say is that every case is about the story, and you have to be careful. in the course of any investigation there's always going to be rabbit holes that are distractions to the actual main story. the challenge that the committee has going forward now is how deep do they explore this robert hole in the moment as they are dealing with trying to get these hearings wrapped up and trying to get a report out and trying to deal with the other

considerations and moving parts that are going on? i'm absolutely convinced that this ankle needs to be explored, but the question is by whom and at what point because you can't get away from the main story of what this is all about. >> that's an important point, juanita, the job of this committee is to tell a coherent story in a limited amount of time because people will only have so much attention span to keep following this. what do you make of the fact that they are going to go forward with this hearing, that we're going to hear from the witnesses in livetime even despite the fact that the chairman now because of covid cannot necessarily be a part of it. they have been doing a lot of stuff virtually. they might be able to be a part of it in some way. >> this is a robust team so i'm sure they can operate with the chairman in the room an not out there and i think they will paint a minute-by-minute portrayal of what was happening in the chaos of the white house. i think what pottinger emphasized in the testimony earlier, we knew his cutoff moment. he packed his box as soon as the

text about pence came out but he was wondering why the national guard hadn't been deployed and why was there no backup deployed to the capitol to quash this mob which everyone at the white house knew was armed, right? i think the other thing i'm looking forward to hearing from sarah matthews is going to pick up where cassidy hutchinson left off hearing conversation in realtime. she said the dining room door was open and she could hear that trump was in a very, very good mood on the eke of january 6th and she will fill in gaps around communication and how long it got trump to film a message and release a message to tim peel to go home. we know that he ended up with, a message where he said he loved the insurrectionists. she will give the minute-by-minute playbook as well as pottinger, and the last thing about the secret service, remember, the select committee has been interviewing the secret service agents for the past few months, and i feel like this is

an opportunity where they could quickly go back to those individuals and have additional conversations to cross-check any previous testimony or ask new questions based on the fact that the secret service did delete this information which representative stephanie murphy was right to say this was too important to mismanage or mishandle or delete, especially in the days after a violent attack on our capitol. >> indeed. the story, this is going to be on thursday focused on the 187 minutes, but the story is developing in multiple directions at one time, and i know you're covering a lot of these developments n.georgia now the fake elector scheme which was part and parcel of donald trump's overall plan to stay in power where the fake electors he wanted to pressure mike pence to accept, that was part of the plan, part of the reason that the pressure was on him. now they face potential charges in georgia, all 16 of these georgia fake electors have been informed they could face criminal charges. attorneys representing 11 of them said they have reluctantly

invoked their fifth amendment right after receiving target letters. you who lindy graham who has now agreed to accept a subpoena. that's now the georgia case. in terms of trump world, where do the worries lie more? is it what's coming out of these hearings or what's coming out of pump willis aoffice? >> it's a little bit of column a and column b and then there's also column c of the broader investigation at the biden justice department, and you were just talking about the fake electors earlier. the states of fake electors is a topic that the biden doj, that the feds have been actively probing for quite some time, and we reported at "rolling stone" fairly recently that longtime seasoned prosecutors from the national security division in the doj have been detailed over to that investigation, including but not limited to looking into

the slates of fake electors. these are prosecutors who have quite a bit of experience in things like counterterrorism and things of that nature, so when it comes to the biden doj, look, there's been a lot of criticism, particularly from liberals over the past year or more about how merrick garland and the biden justice department have been sort of sluggish and gun shy in terms of investigating this, but in terms of what they are doing now, they are not throwing nothing at the issue if that makes sense. >> well, it's not just liberals, it's liz cheney. liz cheney has been screaming almost as much as anyone else. juanita, i know you want to get in here. >> look at how willis is holding the feet to the fire with anybody who had anything to do with what happened in georgia from trump's call to lindsey graham's call to the 16 fake electors who just so apparently happened to be meeting on december 20th unaware that other electors who were signing fake

certificates was going down in six other states that president biden won. follow fanny willis' lead. please, justice department, do what she is doing and apply pressure to get to the truth. >> last word to you, charles coleman. steve bannon thought he was above the law. prosecutors said he chose to show contempt for its authority and processes by failing to comply with a subpoena. he didn't get stuck on a broken down metro car. he just decided not to follow the rule. that seems to be the line of the day because that's what all of these people thought they could do. where do you think the biggest heat coming from? is it justice or georgia or is it from these hearings? >> i think it's a combination of all three. it depends on which trump are you talking about. are you talking about trump who has potentially accepted that he is no longer in a position where he will ever be elected president again, or is it trump who is trying to run for the white house as a way of running away from the big house, and i think that the reason you have

to think about either of those persons as two different people is because they have different concerns. the person who is kind of sort of accepted that he's no longer going to be in the white house is much more concerned about a fanny willis and what's going on in fulton in georgia because that's an immediate thing that is going to potentially pose significant problems for his freedom going forward. the other guy, the guy who real thinks he can maybe sort of run away to try to avoid this is not very much so concerned about merrick garland and the doj because that strategy is going to be let me kick this down the road as far as i can to try to avoid criminal liability and prosecution. >> and hope that garland really is using the bill barr method of staying away supposedly from anyone running for office which would be trump's real get out of free cardinal bernard law. >> thank you all. coming up, the attorney for dr. kaitlin bernard joins me. she's the doctor in the

ten-year-old rape victim case who is now the target of vile attacks by republican politicians. stay with us. t of vile attacks by republican politicians. stay with us

the not-so-free state of florida has ironically become something of an abortion safe haven for thousand of women living in neighboring states that have passed near total bans. yes, florida does ban the medical procedure after 15 weeks, but that's less restrictive than nearby states. the fact that it's becoming a destination state is making anti-choice zealots angry and they are demanding ron desantis call a special legislative session to add new restrictions. since the supreme court has sent it back to the states, anti-choice state legislatures and governors are moving aggressively to restrict abortion access using legislation written by the general counsel of the national

right to life committee. this would ban abortions in nearly all circumstances except to prevent the imminent death of the pregnant mother. the main body of the text does not allow for exceptions for rape or incest but would allow states to make exceptions. in indiana the state legislature is set to hold a special session next monday where they are expected to take up restrictive abortion legislation. republicans have remained silent on what the legislation might look like or if there will be any exemptions for ranges, incest or for the health of the mother. bach told a local paper he wasn't at liberty to say whether he was advising indiana republicans so, yeah, he probably s.yesterday the u.s. supreme court cleared a way for the supreme court to enforce a 2017 law which requires teenagers 18 and under to get parental consent to get an abortion. wonder if that would work fsh the abuser was in the family.

last week a republican ag says he will investigate dr. kaitlin bernard who helped a child who had been repeatedly raped. the girl's story was called a big old made-up lie which right wing politicians, like rokita. while offering no allegations of wrongdoing he went on national television he would look into whether dr. bernard properly reported the abortion and sexual abuse of the child as required under state law. record obtained by the "indianapolis star" say bernard had indeed reported the abortion to the required indiana firms within the required time frame. today the attorneys took the first steps in a potential lawsuit against the attorney general for his false and misleading statements and joining me now is drr bernard's lawyer kathleen delaney. thanks for being here. i want to show for our audience

who don't watch a lot of right wing tv to play the sound bite in question. >> we have this abortion activist acting as a doctor with a history of failing to report, so we're gathering the information. we're gathering the evidence as we speak, and we're going to fight this to the end, including look at her license licenseure. if she failed to report in indiana, it's a crime under indiana law. >> the statements that mr. rokita made were false, and he knew they were false or with any reasonable inquiry he would have nope they were false and they accuse my client who is a wonderful doctor who cares for her patients and gives compassionate care of misconduct in her profession, and that

constitutes defamation per se. >> and let's go through here. so part of the tort letter states that statements that dr. bernard has had a history of failing to report which -- this is from the letter that you submitted indicate they would -- indicate would constitute a crime made in the absence of reasonable investigations serve no legitimate law enforcement purpose. given the current political atmosphere in the united states the comments were intended to heighten public condemnation of dr. bernard who provided legitimate medical care. do you believe the goal for the purpose of his own politics and ideology essentially to put a target on dr. bernard? >> i think that the strategy here has clearly been to obfuscate and to distract from the tragedy that abortion bans cause, and so, first, they claimed there was no ten-year-old rape victim and then they claimed the doctor vie late the law. those things are all untrue.

now he's claiming to have launched an investigation into dr. bernard. i have no evidence of that. mr. rokita has received two letters from me. he knows who i am and how to find me and who i represent, and he's not given me notice of any investigation, has not asked for any information from my client so that's yet another unsubstantiated accusation that's casting my client in a false light, and he needs to stop. he needs to stop smearing dr. bernard. >> and i want to read just a little bit of a spokesman for -- for rokita. this is what he told "the indianapolis star" claim he's continuing to investigation and it's not clear he has the authorization to do. they are essentially accusing your client of somehow violating the hipaa statutes. >> which is really interesting because hipaa is a federal statute, and mr. rokita has no

jurisdiction as a state attorney general to enforce a federal law. he's also made accusations about potential criminal conduct and the marion county prosecutor who controls law enforcement in indianapolis has already issued a statement reminding mr. rokita that he has no authority to prosecute criminals in indiana at all. that's not part of his jurisdiction. so, again, false, unsubstantiated statements designed to put a bulls eye on the back of one health care provider. this is part of a pattern of attacks going on around the country, i'm sure. >> do you believe that what mr. rokita is doing is to create a chilling effect essentially to extend anti-abortion restrictions, for instance, in another state, a state like ohio into indiana without a law needing to be passed? >> i think that's definitely part of their strategy along with trying to whip up the base

on his side of the political aisle as we run into the special legislative session that begins on monday. >> yeah. by the way, i want to note here that a former dean has told "the indianapolis star" that rokita went after this doctor because he opposes abortion. this deputy for stalin, what the indiana university dean said, said show me the man and i'll find crime. that's just not the way we do things in the united states. i want to end with that comment as i thank you, kathleen delaney. thanks for being here. up next on "the reidout" the children's theme park sesame place sunday fire after an instagram post showed a character ignoring two black girls, and it's apparently not an isolated incident. we'll be right back. s apparentlt s apparentlt an isolate before we buy the next place. and then, in the meantime. so, how long are you staying?

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pennsylvania. now, to be clear, sesame place has a licensing agreement with sesame workshop with you is operated by seaworld parks and entertainment, not by the folks who make "sesame street." this is "sesame street" rosita brushing off to two young black girls reaching out for hugs at a parade according to the mother of one of the girls who posted the video on ingram. the performers are no hand gesture was not specifically released to the girl and then they released a second apology and said we're committed to making this right. back with me again is charles coleman, a prosecutor and civil rights attorney. we wanted to get on the attorney for the families and we had a bit of technical difficulties coming on so we really appreciate you coming in and pinch hitting. i want to first play one of the moms, jody brown. she's the mother of one of the little girls and the aunty of the other little girl. this is what she said earlier

today on cnn. >> the kids are supposed to be, you know, happy and, you know, acknowledged and greeted and having a good time so the fact that this even happened, the fact that this was going to be a core memory for them when it comes to sesame place is actually disgusting and unbelievable. i spoke up and released my video and now there's multiple parents who have similar videos with that character doing the same thing to the same race of children, so for me that's not a coincidence at all. >> i mean, indeed. i have on my ingram a bunch of other videos that i pulled from jackie reid's ingram feed. social media is up in arms that there are other families now posting videos, you know, saying that they have had the same treatment go to their kids. your thoughts on this an what kind of, you know, i don't know -- what could the family theoretically do because it is emotional distress, right? >> it's absolutely emotional

distress and i do think at a minimum the family should be looking to pursue some level of legal remedy that addresses what happened with injunctive relief and potentially some degree of financial compensation. now before we talk about being litigious the point is believe black people. okay, when we have these experiences where we say that something happened because of what it is and how it is that we show off and the skin we show up in, we're not making this up, and i think all too often there is a haste in which people look to tell us, no, what you experienced is not what actually happened when in fact we know very well that it is, and what we have learned in the coming -- you know, in the following days and the moments after this has occurred is that more people have spoken out and more people have said, no, i actually had the same experience, so it is the most abhorrent farm of gaslighting for you to tell these people, no, i know that you think what happened to you

happened to you but it didn't really happen to you when in fact we know that it did did and this happens all the time which is why it's important that these families together as a collective look to hold sesame place and its ownership accountable. >> right. sesame place said they reached out to the family and send us another statement saying that they tried to make it right. these kids' experience is unacceptable and got in contact and the thing is for lots and lots of families who experienced the same thing with their children. i have another friend who has an adopted child, an asian-american, black parents are all on instagram saying this happened to my kids. something is going on. "sesame street" was a place for children to grow and learn. rosita is -- "sesame street" and

it owner should be concerned about how it works. "sesame street" exists in tell vice and set meese place is an actual place who bring their privilege and their bigotry to their jobs and hide literally behind a mask as a means of being able to express these things, but the problem, joy, is that this can actually do reputational damage to your brand. >> right. >> if you're not vigilant about addressing these things which is why it has to be of paramount concern for sesame place to actually address. have you to be on top of these things systemically because at the end of the day while you may make valiant efforts to do a thorough investigate process, you don't know who you're hiring these days and when something like this happens you have to take it seriously because the fallout as we're seeing can be

tremendous. >> by the way, this is another statement about why it's important who you vote for because this isn't pennsylvania where there's at least a chance. >> yes, it is. >> if this was in florida, they have now passed this anti-woke law that can do the diversity training and the communication internally that sesame place has vowed to do because ron desantis doesn't like that. he doesn't like anything that makes white people feel uncomfortable. you couldn't even do it in florida. be careful who you vote for. outraged community members in uvalde demanding action and accountability from their leaders, and like many leaders across the country they are learning a painful lesson on governance. stay with us. e learning a painful lesson on governance stay with us

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bleeding out on my classroom floor like my sister did. >> this is the last dress that all my friends saw me on. most of those kids were my friends, and that's not good, and i don't want to go to your school if there's no protection. >> in uvalde where 80% of the population is hispanic, this city council may not quite be looking out for them, and the problem isn't only at the local level. it goes all the way to the governor's mansion where greg abbott must be hiding out because following the first few days after the shooting there hasn't been an abbott sighting in uvalde. it appears he didn't even try to attend any of the 21 funerals for the slain students and teachers, and to make matters worse abbott has yet to use his powers as governor to take any real action in response to the shooting like calling a special session to address gun violence. let's remember less than a month after the 2018 parkland school shooting in florida not only was

a special session called by the majority right wing very nra-controlled lem ledge but lawmakers quickly enacted a gun control proposal that raised the minimum age from 18 to 21 to purchase rifles and other long guns, but abbott has had a tendency to disregard the needs of his citizens. take, for instance, his continued insistence on maintaining texas' independence wits own failing power grid. that left texans freezing two winters ago, all while receiving crushing electricity bills. mind you, texas is the only state that runs its own electricity. all of this isn't just a texas republican problem. we're seeing the same lack of concern for the people they govern from the republican party as a whole and a telling sign that have is the slate of candidates the party is putting up in the mid-term elections, and that is next. up in the mid-term elections,

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[ ominous music playing ] it's here. are you ready? let's go baby! [ screaming ] what happens next? you'll know soon enough. the slate of candidates the republican party is propping up the city, or send a clear message to voters about the party's priorities. it is not about preserving the dignity of the party, whatever is left of it, or about nominating people, who truly, represent their constituents or, frankly, care about the social, and political health of this country. and georgia, you have senate a candidate, herschel walker, facing multiple allegations of

violence against women. some of which, he is admitted he is accountable for. then, there is the lie about being in the top 1% of the college class, and claiming he served in law enforcement, or even being in the fbi, week which is false. even, lying to his own campaign about the multiple, secret children he has fathered. then there is senate candidate, mehmet oz, who is running to represent the people of pennsylvania, although, he seems to be running part of his campaign out of his new jersey mansion. sharing a ticket with oz, gubernatorial candidate, doug lost rihanna, who has taken several steps to push the trump lie, but it's been questioned by the fbi after photos emerged of him on the capitol grounds, on january 6th. also, don't forget eric greitens. a republican candidate in missouri, allegedly locking woman who, he had an affair with, in his basement, to sexually assault her. he denies he did that, but the ar-15 says commercial heated

hunting rhinos? that's all him. what they all have in common, this criteria for republicans, is complete, and dignity free obedience to donald trump. that is the subject of a new book by senior writer for the atlantic, mark leibovitz, and titled, thank you for your servitude. donald trump's washington, and the price of submission. mark leibovitz, training it's now. mark, thank you for being here. i got an interview and said, i wanted to get the sky on to talk to him. the thing that is so interesting to those of us who are old enough to remember, republicans, really, loved ronald reagan. they worshipped ronald reagan. he was the central force of the republican party. but, this feels different, what is going on with trump. is it different? >> i think it is. first of all, a lot of people who love donald trump, are the same people who still, outright, to revere ronald reagan.

ronald reagan wouldn't want much to do with donald trump right now. the fact is, this party, ever since trump started his ascent, or decent, down the escalator, whatever you want to look at it, and the party went along with him, everyone said, this fever will break at some point. we are seven years in. the candidates are getting more, and more, trumpy. the big theme of the book here, is it didn't have to be this way. there were many off-ramps, many opportunities for courage for republicans, whether it is kevin mccarthy, or mitch mcconnell, or lindsey graham, or marco rubio, or whoever, to actually go a different direction. yet, donald trump seems incapable of being rehabilitated of everything from starting an insurrection, or fomenting an insurrection, to, actual, defeat in his reelection campaign. it keeps going, eric regions, herschel walker, all seemed to be the immediate future of the party. >> we talked about mitch

mcconnell, and kevin mccarthy, they contend the insurrection immediately, said trump was responsible. mitch mcconnell, reportedly, and one of the many books that have come out about that post insurrection period, so the democrats will take him out. it is clear, lindsey graham has done. what has shifted in your view for these men to suddenly say, forget we said all that, delete that tape, we love trump? >> i think everyone has their own reasons. i think lindsey graham got heckled on the way to the airport the next day, and seemed to freak him out a little bit. i got to talk to dozens, if not hundreds of people in the republican party for this book, it would is abusing to is someone who's been reporting on washington for sometime, there's never been a bigger gap between what people in the republican party say privately about donald trump. there is quite a bit of contempt. they don't have a lot of respect to him. to the public adulation, that has become the norm, and that the former president seems to insist on. it really is quite a gap. the dirty little secret is that

everyone gets the joke, but they don't say it publicly. kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, condemning the insurrection, before they fell into line. mccarthy went down to mar-a-lago, eight days after joe biden took over at the white house. mcconnell, who probably doesn't get enough blame for this, it is not going to happen until after january 20th, at which point, everybody had their built-in answers. why should we impeach a president who isn't in office? they all did their part here, and ultimately, they are propping him up, in that continues to this day, and so is everyone else. >> j.d. vance wants text to a friend, he thinks trump might be hitler. now, being completely obedient to him, running the trumpiest candidate of all campaign. do people like j.d. vance get any respect for their voters, or do they just think that their voters are dumb, and that they will believe it if they

just say, i love trump? >> it really doesn't look respectful from the outside. the fact is, they voted for him. he is the republican nominee for senate in ohio, and he's a bet to win that senate seat in november. they will say, the only formula that they care about of success formula, and just getting into office. lindsey graham said to me, if you don't like being reelected, you're in the wrong business. they all have stories, and you can juxtapose the stuff they said about trump when they ran against him in 2018, or 2016, and it's not as if there is a shortage of side-by-side video for it. ultimately, i think it is a combination of weakness, fear, not knowing what to do with yourself without the parking space, without the pin, ultimately, it's a depressing story. it was fascinating to talk to people, and to brief them on their thinking here, in their own, we are, the perverse way.

>> it was with authoritarian parties at work. out before testifying before the january six committee, it was the arizona house speaker whose daughters were watching a soundtrack, going outside of their home, calling them a pedophile. they said that they're going to vote today, with mike pence, who they threatened to lynch. they threatened to lynch him. they brought a noose. he is still obedient. that is something different then, i want the parking space. that is authoritarianism. >> it is. another example of this is, there are so many republicans, and it is with biden certification, which people always do. there are limited exceptions, and the guy who won, and has affirmed in court, over and over again, and is to be certified. many of them were just saying, privately, the getting all of these threats, it is a kid

safety at risk, the family safety at risk. it was persuasion, not by politics, not by argument, not by debate, but by brute force, brood fear, it and only where it is today, because of complicity in the republican party. i didn't want to write another trump book, i want to write a book about why he is still here. >> a man. i've seen quotes out there, and the strategy is that there are still waiting for him to dine. which is a sad thing to say about a party, which was once the party of them. >> it's all based on how passive it, is really. >> it's wild. mark leibovitz, thank you so much. that is tonight's read out, all in with chris hayes, starts right now. tonight, on all in.t the text message purge at the secret service. >> we received a letter today that did provide us with a lot of documents with this data.

they did not receive the additional text messages that we were looking for. >> tonight, congresswoman zoloft karen, on the growing scandal of secret service deletion of january six text messages as calls of a cover-up grow. then, the flood of evidence, likely leading to more hearings, and new fallout, from the doj memo about political prosecutions. the one state committee takes the stand in the trial of steve bannon. when indiana abortion doctor, threatening a defamation lawsuit, against her state attorney general, and, jelani cobb, on the high stakes of the georgia election, completely worked by donald trump. >> he used to think i was crazy. i would put a gun to my head, snap, wouldn't even think about it. >> all in, starting right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, as we approach thursday's primetime, ja