potential trouble in trump world times four. today, former aide steve bannon is back in court, staring at the possibility of a criminal conviction for defying a congressional subpoena. the prosecutor charging that he thought he was above the law. electors have been told by fulton county d.a. they could face criminal charges. after yesterday's breaking news that critical secret service messages from january 5th and 6th are almost certainly got forever. now nbc news has learned within the past hour, secret service employees were sent at least two e-mails reminding them to preserve the texts you b. they disappeared anything. that is all being investigated. from wisconsin, the mind-boggling revelation in the midst of these investigations, former president trump is still calling election officials on the phone, as recently as last

week, trying to get them to overturn the 2020 election. all of that setting a dramatic stage for the hearing, hearing number eight. if the first seven are any indication, there could be more fodder for the ongoing probes, including the one by the department of justice. so lots to talk about. i said to bring in ryan riley, michael schmidt, greg luesstein, and dan goldin worked on both impeachment inquiries, and served as a assistant district attorney for southern district of new york. he is running for congress. good to see all of you. michael, this timeline is a key part of this. this migration to new phones was

planned in december of 2020. they told them how to reserve that data on the 25th, and then they started migrating to new folks, and deleting old data on the 27th. bottom line, there's about 10, 11 days between what they knew they had to do, or is this something more? >> we know the national archives is looking into this issue. they said as much yesterday. they were deeply concerned about the fact these messages went away. obviously the perception here is not very good for the secret service.

in cassidy hutchinson's testimony, she brought the secret service into the story in a new and different way. she talked about what went on inside the president's vehicle, you know, what the president's protectees were saying to others, as this was all going on, the showdown of the wheel in the car between trump and whoever was driving it. after he spot on the ellipse. because he soaped a new appendage, the messages from this period of time are all the more important, because they would help answer some of the questions that have been raised about what was the secret service trying to do on january 6th? why did they not take trump to the capitol? essentially you had a president unwilling to call off a mob going after another protectee of

the secret service. so for investigators, it hurts their ability to get to the bottom of what was going on in this crucial -- increasingly crucial period of time. >> one of the best-case scenarios is this was incompetence, but i want to show this all on "morning joe" today. >> there's an arrogance that runs through the secret service, and an effort always to cover up. always to cover up anything that would be embarrassing, humiliating, or just as importantly, to cover up any that's bad about the president. i can imagine a lot of secret service executives, even the director, wanting to put this chapter behind them. not saying delete the records, but, oh, isn't it convenient, this isn't is going to go away.

>> has there ever been -- and i'm taking this from something -- a former secret service director told your paper -- a pertain quite as tumultuous as this? what are the implications? >> the secret service has gong through ups and downs throughout its years. the best days are when they're not making news. because of that, they're not very good at engaging with the public when they have to explain something. i think there's been a lot of criticism about their response here. you know, if you go back to the obama years, there were problems with fence jumpers at the white house. the secret service's inability to sort of stop that problem. someone once flew a drone that landed on the white house grounds that, you know, no one was able to stop from flying over the white house. that was also during the obama years.

look, the secret service has had a lot of ups and downs over the years cassie hutchinson brought them into the inquiry in a new way, with tons of unanswered questions. >> there was a big investigation, there were changes that were supposedly made, but here we are in a whole new era with a new problem. we also have breaking news. we have new reporting on an effort on new legislation to help future vice presidents avoid the pressure campaign mike pence experienced in 2020. what is the latest there? >> reporter: that's right, chris. just in the last few minutes, a bipartisan group of senators has released two bills that would attempt to prevent future candidates for president from stealing election.

this is largely in response to the 2020 election when former president trump and his allying tried to exploit gaps in the election law, to stay in power, even though he lost the election. what does these bills do? it would make abundantly clear that the vice president's role is simply ministerial, that he or she does not have any unilateral theory, and also raise the threshold to objecting, which is now simply one member to one fifth of both chambers. in addition, it clarifies the transition act to makes it clear in closer contested elections. it would also address the issue of alternate slates of electors,

by making it clear the governor of the state unless previously identified, who that is the authority of submitting the results. beyond that there's provisions doubling penalties for intimidating or harassing election workers, poll workers. it's a major effort crafted by more than a dozen senator, republican and democrat. it has been blessed by party leadership, including chuck schumer and mish mcconnell, the republican minority leader who said yesterday he's been in regular touch with the lead republican on this, susan collins. one of the things they done do is address voting rights.

so let's talk about the georgia republicans. they say they didn't do anything wrong. they didn't know about a plot to, quote, misuse their votes so trump could stay in office. where do potential criminal charges fit in? >> there's definitely trouble in trump world. we all knew this special grand jury investigation was serious, a subpoena seeking testimony from members of trump's inner circles. now we have learned criminal charges could be play in, if the members of the 16 phony electors knowingly submitted false documents and knowingly tried to interfere with election results. the argument has always been, hayes, we just wanted to give him an avenue if the allegations

had succeeded. the election results in georgia had already been upheld multiple times. so it's going to be an interesting few weeks in georgia, as we start seeing the testimony from some of these fake electors. >> daniel, what does the d.a. have to prove? >> you have to prove i knowingly signed or agreed to participate in a fraudulent scheme, which these fake electors would be. i am a bit more interested in whether any of them cooperate. bonnie willis is clearly trying to put pressure on these electors, but my suspicion is her ultimate target is going to be higher up the rung than the actual fake electors, who offer themselves to be put on the slate, but to somebody else.

>> the question i would want to know is who all the way up the top was involved in this scheme? was it from donald trump? from his lawyers? did any of these electors have any communication with any of those people? so, this is the start, but i don't think it's the end of this aspect of her investigation. >> michael, this does show that trump still can't stop fighting the 2020 election fight very actively. not just whatever he sends out on social media, or what he has to say at a rally, but he's still doing stuff. i want to show this. >> when's the last time you talked to the former president? >> within the last week. >> reporter: within the last week? >> before. >> before or after the tweet? >> what was that conversation

like? >> it's very consistent. he makes his case, which i respect. he would like is towed something different in wisconsin. i told him it's not allowed, that was it, he put the tweet up. >> isn't this theed kind of thing his own supporters are telling him, he has to stop if he wants to run again. >> there have been different examples of calling different officials, calling members of congress, the house, trying to push this idea. it is remarkable, because most people would have been deterred at this point, based on all the massive amount of scrutiny that has come under thinks behavior after -- around the election.

you could make the argument there's a continuing effort trying to overturn this election, that there's been no evidence of fraud in. you know, i used the work remarkable before, with trump sometimes we run out of adjective, but this is quite remarkable. could that wisconsin call be part of the narrative to bolster any criminal prosecution? >> it's consistent with everything else we know. i think the fact that they is continues to do this is more a reflection of his efforts to show that he really does believe there was fraud and therefore he didn't have the knowing state of mind he would need, but it's truly remarkable that we are here after the hearings that laid out in suv detail, with

such compelling evidence, how the scheme to overturn the election started from donald trump and went down the chain. then ultimately, after december 14th, it became just a pure and simple coup attempt. he is still at it, chris. he's still trying to not only push the big lie about 2020, but lay the foundation for him to do it again in 2024. this is not over. this continues to this day. it continues both as to 2020, as this call reflects, but it also continues around the country, and you talked with sahil about the revisions, but some of these voting laws that are being put to the side allow for the states to overturn elections based on allegations of fraud, mere allegations. that is designed to allow for a trump-installed elected officials to overturn the election in a state, overturn

the will of the people. we have to keep a broader look on what is going on with donald trump. yes, the january 6th hearings are important, yes, any potential criminal charges that arise from the department of justice are very important, but this is an ongoing issue that must be addressed. >> ryan, going to where you are, boy, the prosecutor really went after steve banning yesterday? court, saying among other things that he thumbed his nose at the law. where are we in this trial right now? >> yeah, so we're hearing testimony from a senior official on the january 6th commit year, who was involved in the process of actually serving the subpoena on steve bannon's lawyer, who accepted service on his behave back in september of 2021. he was required to testify in october of 2021, and basically awful way the judge has laid out this case, there's a very limited defense that steve bannon's lawyers can bring

forwar we're not expecting a lengthy trial. there's always the potential that steve bannon could testify, but i think that's unlikely, as much as he want that. it won't be televised, i should note, so that may factor into his thinking, but there's an overall scenario where this case may be out to a jury by tomorrow night, when the select committee is expected to go back and have this primetime hearing. >> thanks to all of you. i appreciate it. this happened with a little help from democrats, but first climate emergency, the deadly extreme heat conditions that millions are facing. so hot in texas, fires are burning wild and wear pipes are bursting. so what's the president's plan? the action he's ready to announce today after big efforts in congress failed.

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it's brutal, and the death toll is only rising. portugal alone reporting more than 1,000 deaths from the latest heat wave. asia as well with parts of china bracing for 107 degrees in parts of the country. it's the kind of triple-digit heat forecast for 44 million americans today. >> this is the hottest summer i've seen in dallas really that i remember since 1980. >> this unrelenting and deadly heat providing a powerful call to action. i want to bring in jay gray, and josh lederman, and juanita tolliver. jay, there was a young boy we interviewed. he said it feels like being on

the surface of the sun. how are you holding up? >> he's not going to get an argument from me. we're on a way to a high of 108, after two days of dallas topping out at 109. the ten-day forecast showing no days under 100 s you could see people behind me. >> so. so i can't say anymore, and i get in the pool every single night. >> reporter: why can't you play? >> because it's so hot outside.

i don't practice, at least. >> reporter: why practice if you can't play, a couple big -- ercot said there was record use. water is becoming a problem. the ground is shifting because of all this heat, and water mains are breaking. that's becoming an issue. there's extreme fire hazards across texas right now. we've seen wildfires as well. josh, this heat wave is a powerful argument for the president to do something.

>> reporter: i don't know how easy we get off. the phone i'm using to communicate just overheated and shut itself out. we had to swap out a new phone. the president is finding on this issue, just like he has on abortion, on gun rights, so many other issues, what he would like to do and what he actually can do without congress, are very different things. there's a clear effort by the president to show that he is taking executive action, doing what he can to address this climate crisis, even if it is far short of the sweeping steps that he promised as a candidate and hoped as president to be able to enact. today the president will be visiting this former coal plant that now makes the undersea cables that are used for the offshore wind industry, as he announing new funding for communities to become more resilient all of that is really

small potatoes when it compares to the 500-plus funding. the major -- he hoped to be able to nabbed. even as the white house is engineerly dancing around. that would include before the november election. >> realistically any chance at all in congress? >> reporter: they certainly are holding out hope, but they're leaving a hands-off approach. they're leaving it to chuck schumer. but the fact the white house is going heat, to get any climate

legislation through congress. they're kind of backing off publicly, not saying what they're saying privately, because they do hold out some hope. this isn't going to happen. you have to figure out some other way, or do you just say my powers as a president are limited. i'm going to do these executive actions, it's what i can do. >> i feel like this is a yes/and situation. yes, keep applying pressure to senator martialing. sure, we know he's a fickle guy, but i think they should be applyic pressure to the republicans sitting on the sidelines, watching the world burn, and still dug their heels in on opposing any climate change action. i hope the white house does that kind of offense and defense playbook simultaneously, but i was shaking my head no on your

previous question on whether or not this is realistic to try to get something through reconciliation before the mid terms. manchin has been clear where he stands this entire time. what is frustrating about this addition of his reneging is the fact that he was so integrally involved in the negotiations with senator schumer. he was right there at the table and then decided to step away. absolutely the white house is right to be frustrated, but there also have to be questions about why here not going so star to declare an emergency. that's the other part of this. on top of the president's executive actions which are important, including provisions to helping lower-income family to help cover costs of cooling, but they're stopping short of declares an emergency. i'll bet that is something that young voters who have climb change at the top of their list

are paying attention to. you're being delivered in a set of circumstances, where most of the constituents everywhere you are feeling the heat. they can see how the future doesn't look great, right? we're worried about whether or not the grid will hold up in texas, maybe in some other places, we're not built for this. the world isn't built for this. so unless you accept the fact, and it's not a fact that most people are climate change deniers, there a bully pulpit that's not being used properly? i'm not saying just by the president, but by members of the senate, members of congress, that they're being delivered a set of circumstances that give them an opportunity to put pressure on members of congress to do something?

>> the letter was, hey, figure out ways to start investments in clean energy programs through the military or knit federally funded lands. make sure you're exhausting every option. we are watching -- the map you showed earlier had triple digits across large swaths of the entire country. they can speak to a broad of conversation and apply pressure. >> jay, josh, juanita, thank you all very much. the speed to come. as we inch closer to the mid terms, democrats are spending big bucks to elevate far-right candidates in -- but it comes with a risk. it come

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we do, however, dan cox, a trump hen endorsed state delegate who attended the january 6th stop the steal rally. cox got help from an unexpected source. national democrats who paid for tv ads that highlighted his right-wing views. it's a controversial strategy that experts say could pay off for democrats by tying cox to trump in a solidly blue state, though they did elect a republican the last time around. it also come with a major risk, putting an election denier one step closer to the governor's mansion. we have two guests with us. don, is this a risk worth taking? >> absolutely. we have to understand there was precedent. remember in 212, my friend and

former home state claire mccaskill -- not her, but committees related to her, invested substantially in supporting todd akin, who was every bit of crazy as this guy dan cox is, and it succeeded. polls with so there is some risk, but i think we have a much stronger candidate that who ran against -- it's a calculated risk, and, objectivity he is crazy enough to be repulsive to the moderate or undecided voter. national democrats have used the

strategy. i know, people who denies the -- so, dodds this as a big risk? >> i think it's a huge risk. it's obvious times, yeah, it worked in missouri but what we meeting get isn't necessarily the best thing possible. i remember all the folks who said let's make sure donald trump is the nominee, because hillary clinton will beat him easily, and then a few months later donald trump is in the white house, doing all the things he did in the course of. the idea you spend millions on a bank shot to get there, if i were a strategist again, i would rather have to millions being spent directly in the course of the campaign. that's first. but more broadly and deeper is, we're not in 2012.

we're not claire mccaskill versus whoever the crazy republican was then. we now have a series of election deniers on the republican side that, if they take office, will cause all kinds of havoc, not only for governor of maryland or pennsylvania, but attorney general, secretary of state. there's over 100 election deniers that have emerged in the course of this that may be on the ballot. i think if we're really pro-democracy and that's what we really want, that is the most important issue, which i believe, then anything that helps a republican who is a election denier is a bad thing. i think we should be supporting the republicans who are standing alone in their primaries who acknowledge that join jibe won, who believe in voting rights, who believe that elections have consequences and matter. first, i think it's a mistake, but in a deeper pro-democracy

sense, when you advocate for something who is appearen election denier, put people one step closer. i think it's fraught with risk. >> there's another part of this, don. by giving them a position all that comes with that, who is to say they wouldn't i don't that, lien if they lost to successfully run another time the problem is not to support -- the problem is with the republican elect rat who voted for this guy over a hogan-style

chamber of commerce, former cabinet the problem is with the crazies of the maryland party who voted for this guy. so the problem is in the deep-seated hard of the maryland republican party who elevated this guy with their votes to your question -- you raise the profile, the name recognition, does that set them up potentially to run for somebody else in the future? >> no, it does not dan cox got into the state legislature, the lower chamber in 2019. he's effectively a back venture.

and there are frankly larry hogans out there in much better, more reasonable candidates that will destroy him the crazy trumpist element. does he go and work at mar-a-lago as a cabin guy? perhaps. i don't know i certainly think he's finished as a reasonable alternative against a good and strong democrat. >> this is such as interesting conversation and an important one. really quick, matthew. >> i agree completely with don that the problem is infiltrated in the republican party. my only thing is let's not pour gasoline using democratic fires. it could be a wildfire and start wiping out things you have no idea of. >> matthew daoud, done calloway, thank you both.

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the hill. >> saying he'll probably support it. let's bring in senator chris murphy. do all the signals mean this could be a game change? could we be looking at it actually going through? >> i think this bill will pass, will get more than 60 votes in the united states senate. i hope that we bring it up for a vote very quickly. we are scheduled to go back to our states in august, but i think we should be open to staying here as long as it takes to get that piece of legislation peaced. the supreme court decision is the only this ink that protects of right of everyone to marry who they love in this country. on the books today is a federal law that denies the right of gay

couples to married. if that supreme court decision was ever reversed, we would revert to the 1990s law which bans gay marriage. so let's get this done now, not leave anything to chance with a supreme court that's trying to use its right-wing majority to impose ideology on the un. the first lady of ukraine asked you and asks members of congress to continue to support her economy. >> translator: -- completely broken when our growth is destroyed by a war. tens of thousands have been destroyed in ukraine. >> she wants more, acknowledging that the u.s. has already provided billions in military support. should we be offering more? not just in terms of weapons we provide, but also particularly humanitarian aid, particularly

to children. >> well, many of us were double booked while the first lady was speaking. we also have a foreign relations hearing on the global food crisis. all around the world more people are staving than at any time in our lifetime, largely because much of the world's grain supply comes from ukraine and russia. yes, we should be supplying more aid to ukraine to defense itself. i hope very soon we will. but we also to be more generous around the world with the food crisis that's created by russia's decision to essentially deny the world the benefit of ukrainian wheat. russia is using food as a weapon not just in ukraine, but around the world. the united states and other rich

conditions can step up and do more to keep people from starving based on russia's decision tomorrow, the how judiciary city has scheduled the first markup. do you think that there's been a sea change, that you can convince your republican senate checking to support this legislation. it's something you are deeply involved in, but they -- without this, has anything changed since then? as you mentioned, we're just three weeks from passing the most significant piece of gun legislation in 30 years it did

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