not a joke. not a joke. if we don't keep it below 1.5 degrees centigrade, we lose it all. we don't get to turn it around. and the world is counting on us. as this, the united states of america, when we put our hearts and minds to it, there's not a single thing beyond our capacity -- i mean it -- when we contact together. and of all things we should be acting together on, it's climate. it's climate. and by the way, my dear mother, god rest her soul, said, joey, everything bad, something good will come if you look hard enough. look what's happening. we're going to be able to create as many or more good-paying jobs. we're going to make environments and where people live safer. we're going to make the air safer. i really mean that. we have an opportunity here. i bet you when you see what's happened here in this cable

construction here manufacture and you go back and ask all the people who grew up in this beautiful place what they'd rather have. do they want the plant back with everything it had or what you're going to have? i will be dumbfounded if you find anybody other than for pure sentimental reasons saying, i would rather have a coal plant. i'll end by telling you another quick story. when we moved from scranton -- when coal died in scranton, everything died in scranton. and my dad was a coal miner. my great grandfather was a mining engineer. but my dad was in sales. and there was no work, so we left to go down to delaware. i told you where those oil plants were. but i remember driving home, when you take the trolly in scranton, going out north washington and adams avenues, within 15 blocks -- we didn't

live in the most prestigious neighborhood in the region, in the town, where the scrantons and other good decent people live -- there was a -- you would go buy a wall that my recollection is was somewhere between 15 and 18 feet tall. and it went for essentially a city block. and you could see the coal piled up to the very top of the wall from inside. it was a coal-fired plant, a coal-fired plant, and all of that -- all the negative impacts of breathing that coal and dust were affecting everybody. but at the time people didn't know it, and there wasn't any alternative. folks, we have no excuse now. we know it. there are answers for it. we can make things better in terms of jobs. we can make things better in terms of the environment. we can make things better for

families overall. so, i'm looking forward to this movement. thank you, thank you, thank you. may god bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you. >> i'm hallie jackson in washington, and you have been listening to president biden on a 90-plus-degree day in somer set, massachusetts, talk about the urgent need to do more as it relates to climate change. you heard him describe it as dangerous, as an emergency, as the president laid out a series of steps he expects his administration, his white house, will take. a significant, for the white house, as they want to be seen as doing something on this issue, really though putting the ball in congress's court, pointing the finger at capitol hill, saying that congress needs to step up and do more on this issue. let me bring in josh lederman, who is traveling with the president in somerset. josh, is this the speech that climate activists wanted to

hear? >> well, not quite. but it is closer than the president was before to what those climate activists have wanted to here because for days now, the question the white house has been getting over and over ad nauseum, will president biden declare a national climate emergency. today he didn't quite declare it, but he went right up to the brink, describing climate change repeatedly as an emergency and also saying that he will take steps in the coming weeks to align the federal government's policies with that reality, to take the procedural steps to recognize that. so, he would very strongly suggest it that he will ultimately take that step, which would free up federal resources to be able to help address the climate change issues. but the president also today had a big focus -- he was really trying to use the bully pulpit to put pressure on private industries, saying the administration is trying to make it easier through regulation and permitting for people to step up

to clean energy, to the transition to electric vehicles. that is a reflection of just how limited the president is in what he can do in the absence of that climate legislation that he's been unable to get and now looks very unlikely given the situation with senator joe manchin. as a result, the president is left that bully pulpit, to take their own steps to bring the company along towards cleaner energy, even if the federal government is unable to act in that way. so we know that companies like gm are phasing out internal combustion engines, making more electric vehicles. the president trying to hasten that, including through the announcement of additional funding to try to make it easier for people to invest in clean energy. he said they're going to declare the first area in the gulf of mexico to be available for offshore wind turbines, like the ones that rely on equipment made at the factory here in somerset. and the president announcing about $2.3 billion in fema

funding that will go to help communities become more resilient to extreme heat, like we're seeing all across the u.s. and that deadly heatwave in europe. but you think about $2.3 billion. it sounds like a lot of money, and it is a lot of money. but you look at how the administration was hoping for way upwards of $500 billion in climate funding, as well other major government steps to dramatically reduce emissions and bring the u.s. in line with joe biden's long-term emissions cutting goals, including to zero out emissions from the u.s. economy by 2050. he's not going to get anything near that. so he left today trying to show very clearly to climate activists and supporters he's doing whatever he can within his own powers, even though powers are very limited. so he's calling on local officials, state and city governments to take action, even if the federal government and congress are not willing to go that far at this moment.

>> josh letterman live for us, traveling with the president in somerset, massachusetts. thank you for that. i want to bring you back to washington. right as we were coming on the air, we got a lot of new information looking ahead to tomorrow night's primetime january 6th committee hearing. including one aide telling nbc noose, it will probably not be the last one. i want to get to our team with this new reporting. my guests are joining me now. so allie, you have gotten a solid download about what we can expect tomorrow night, the timing, we know that -- i think bennie thompson will chair virtually, he's got covid. so let me turn the floor over to you, friend. >> what a sign of the times, that where they are going into their last primetime hearing of

the summer series of hearings, because we have been auking about this as it is the season finale of the committee, not the series finale. that's what they were telling us on the phone, that they have so much information continuing to come in, that they reserve the right to do more hearings when they feel fit. that could come in the form of when they issue their final report. that final report now, according to chairman thompson before he was out with covid, telling us that it's going to be some version of a scaled back report, and then a more wholistic final report. that's all expected to come in the fall. while the chairman will be virtual, everyone else is expected to be in the room. we know that our reporting on the two witnesses, sarah matthews and matt pottinger will not just focus on what was happening inside the white house during those critical three or so hours at the capitol was under attack, but it will be a heavy moment of contrast between

inaction with the former president and the chaos and violence happening on capitol hill. another important thread here is going to be not just what was happening, but the impact of that day's events on people who were working in the white house. people like matthews and pottinger are people who resigned after january 6th. they talked about that being breaking point for them. we know that they weren't the only ones. there were cabinet officials who resigned over what happened on that day. a lot of concern about what the former president did and frankly didn't do on january 6th that led people to leave the administration. that's going to be another thread there, as you have two veterans, congresswoman laura and kinzinger, leading this in bipartisan fashion committing the presentation on what they learned about january 6th, and focusing on the 6th itself, hallie. >> there's also new information on former chief of staff mark meadows that we may get more on tomorrow night here. we know much of this will center

around, as you described, what exactly donald trump was doing. but what about his right hand man at the time? >> yeah, that's going to be important. we heard from other witnesses about what mark meadows may have been told, what he may have been telling the president, and what he himself was doing in the days leading up to january 6th, and definitely on the 6th itself. this is where that testimony from pat cipollone could become so illuminating. we know that cipollone, while he's been reticent to talk about what he talked about with the president, we know that cipollone allegedly had a conversation with meadows where he said the president has to do more, and if he doesn't do something more to quell this, we'll have blood on our hands. that's a stark warning from the top white house lawyer, and one that i imagine we're going to see more of tomorrow. i'm told that we can expect to see cipollone as part of the

cast of witnesses that this committee has been able to talk to, to put viewers in the room at the white house, in some of those key conversations as they flesh out the role of people like mark meadows. but again, all of this drives back to the former president at the center of it. >> ali, this plays into a series of new pieces of information that we heard this afternoon and today here at nbc news. let me bring people up to speed on what we know as we speak right now. first off, new reporting at nbc news that the january 6th select committee got only one text message conversation related to the capitol attack. the committee wanted a bunch of information from the secret services, including messages from january 6th and the 5th. those messages were deleted as part of a phone migration. basically, an upgrade, a reset, if you will. members of the secret service were told twice to preserve text messages, to save those messages

before this wipe went down back in 2021. there's a caveat on that. off the hill, you have steve bannon on trial, as we speak for defying a subpoena for lawmakers investigating, and today, a lawyer for the select committee is laying out how bannon and his team accepted the subpoena and the committee slapped down his claim that executive privilege played a part why he would not cooperate. and in georgia, a judge is ordering rudy giuliani to show up in front of the grand jury. and then there's this, a bipartisan group of senators out today with a new bill that would try and stop future presidential candidates from stealing elections. so with that as the backdrop, with ali's new reporting, carol, let me turn to you. the january 6th select committee, we will watch tomorrow night who he will hear from in this investigation, those texts apparently don't exist. the agency has indicated they

will continue to work forensic i how to get them. you wrote the book on how the secret service operates. i read that book. give us insight what you're hearing from your sources and this question of, is what the secret service did, was it an act of maliciousness, was it intentionally done for political reasons? or was it, basically, accidental and in some ways, not competent that they ended up not complying with the law to save these records? >> i remember that interview very well, because you almost knew the book better than me after you had read it. so thank you for that. i will tell you that my sources inside the secret service are saying that this was part and parcel of a pretty sad pattern of the secret service of really not complying with the letter of the law. you're supposed to preserve these records. anything that's a government

record. and in this case, the secret service basically told agents in one of the most historic moments in our country's life that it was up to them to decide which cell phone texts they wanted to preserve as government records. and that's quite a lot of discretion put in the hands of people who, at the time at least, a lot of presidential detail agents were pretty pro trump, and pretty anti-biden. and so here they're asked, do you want to share and provide these texts, upload to this file, and what appears to have happened is during the reset, most of them decided no, i don't want to share these. i don't think they're government records. and now, as far as the secret service is concerned, they're gone. we're looking more deeply into that. there are a lot of techies out here who believe they can help re-create these records. there are some reasons to believe that's not going to be

possible. but stay tuned. we'll see. >> that's an interesting point. because we know that in the past, there are some federal agencies that have been able to recover previously deleted text messages. >> yeah, i think i'm going to hold my fire until i finish this reporting, but i promise i'll share it with you. >> that is a hell of a tease, girl. i get it, i respect that. i think that is a great thread to pull on. ryan, let me go to you. as we talk about these different pieces to this bigger january 6th story, what steve bannon knows is important to them, because he spoke with former president trump the day before the attack as we know a couple of times, infamously now said that all hell is going to break loose. day three of his trial is happening now, and the first witness for the prosecution is an attorney that they see crucial to this case, no? >> yeah, it is. i think the overall thing to

remember about this case is there are very limited defense that is steve bannon can bring forward. one of those defenses had an opening today, because when we had this testimony from the senior staff person for the january 6th committee, there is just discussion about whether or not they would still accept testimony from steve bannon, whether they still wanted steve bannon to testify. she replied yes. because of that, there was a side bar. there maybe testimony about whether they want steve bannon to testify. that's this entire sort of case, is he says that let's have this thing now. he's calling out to the cameras after the hearing yesterday. it's a very unusual move for a defendant to, in the middle of the trial, speak to the issues at hand. but that's steve bannon, and he said he's willing to testify and wants to do it in a public forum. that's what they will try to get the jury to do. they want the jury to nullify what the case is here, because the case is basic. he didn't comply with the

subpoena. but that's where we're at, and the government is trying to keep this case as simple as they can. >> there's also news out of a courtroom down where you are, blaine, in georgia, with the fulton county d.a. trying to get rudy giuliani to play ball here. >> absolutely. the judge has ordered that he appear before this fulton county grand jury. this was a judge in new york that ordered that rudy giuliani has to appear before the special grand jury. he was subpoenaed by the fulton county grand jury with a number of other people in the former president's orbit. the new york judge said that giuliani was supposed to appear to argue why he shouldn't have to comply. the judge said he didn't show up, that's what prompted him to issue this order to say he has

to come down here on august 9th and testify truthfully. a lot of movement here. the other bit of movement that we're watching in all of this is this new group that we now understand are officially targets of the fulton county's investigation, the 16 bank electors. they have been notified that not only are they targets, but their status has shifted. they were initially witnesses. they've now been notified that's changed. that is something important to watch, as well. that gives us more insight how the d.a. is approaching this investigation and the scope of the investigation. it all started with the president's phone call, the former president's phone call to secretary of state brad rathlessburger. the day told me a couple of weeks ago where she said she wants to hear from everybody who had any knowledge, not only of the president's actions but his mindset, his thoughts, what he was thinking and doing. anything that has to do with that alleged election meddling

here in georgia. she wants to hear from them and calling them and going to do what she calls a robust investigation and is very clear that's what she is doing right now. >> blayne alexander, believe for us there in atlanta. thank you. ali, the last word here. what we heard from ryan and carol and from blayne are different threads related to this broeldbroader narrative ar january 6th, that the select committee is looking to lay out in a significant way tomorrow night. incorporating all of this. i know it feels like a lot, but there is a cohesive theme here. >> the cohesive theme is that all of these things are part and parcel to the larger january 6th riots. the one thing that all of their different threads have in common is the fact that all of them are just going to take time to play out. and time is the one thing that even though the committee leaves open the door to having more hearings, they are on a clock ultimately. that clock runs out potentially

if the november elections go a certain way with republicans taking control of the house, the clock runs out in january of next year. even though they can do more over the course of this calendar year, they ultimately will have to put the pen down, and it's not entirely clear that all of these different threads that our colleagues are on talking about will resolve themselves or bear fruit in order for the committee to take advantage of them on the information front. >> we're grateful to all of you and your reporting here on msnbc. appreciate it. coming up on the show, the nbc news exclusive you will see and hear first this hour. the first lady of ukraine, there she is, talking with peter alexander for the first time since russia's invasion of her country. getting personal about the cost of war for herself and her family. plus, with roe v. wade now overturned, democrats are moving fast to protect other rights. we're talking with the number two house democrat about the bill coming to the floor next. and later, with the landmark

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run! an nbc exclusive just in as we speak. peter alexander talking with the first lady of ukraine. in her interview, getting personal, telling us how hard it is being a mom in a war zone and how home run son dreams of being a soldier. this is after she spoke in front of congress where she asked the u.s. to give ukraine nor weapons. russia's special military operations, this war they're raging, is not just limited to the eastern part of ukraine. it could include more of the country. i want to bring in peter alexander, who is live for us in washington, fresh off that interview. and our correspondent from kyiv joins us. peter, tell us about this conversation you had with the

first lady of ukraine. >> she had come to the ukraine house here in washington, d.c. directly after her presentation to members of congress. she says she would normally expect as first lady to be focusing on health care, issues that affect children, education, and the like. but she said her message here was simple, not to forget us, not to forget the people of ukraine. again as you noted, this effort to ask for more weapons, the provision of more arms to the people of her country. she said among other things that she never wished, never wanted to have this conversation that she tried to speak to american lawmakers in human terms. she said that is the weaponry in her arsenal, that is her soft power. as for her husband's own safety, she said she doesn't think about his safety, it's just too hard. she tries to focus on peace and security, just another reason why the war has to end. i asked her about her concerns, her biggest fears as they relate to her own children and the

children of her country. and here's what she shared with us. what does your son dream of? what does he want to be? >> he wants to be a soldier. >> he wants to be a soldier? >> yeah. >> that's what all ukrainian boys must dream of now. >> i think, yes. >> what does that make you think as a mom? >>. >> translator: you know, before the war, my son used to go to the full dance ensemble, he played piano, he learned english. now i cannot bring him back to doing arts and humanities. the only thing he wants to do is martial arts and how to use a rifle. and that's somewhat i really want to ensure is that the childhood of my son is given back to him and that he enjoys his life to the fullest. >> this was a powerful conversation. she said her concerns aren't

just about her own children but the children of her country. she says no one is safe. she had an opportunity to visit with jill biden and joe biden yesterday. she described them as real friends, it was a comfortable visit for them. this was her first trip out of her war torn country since the war began five months ago. >> significant that she's choosing the united states to visit. ali, you're on the ground in kyiv there. you've been talking to folks about reaction to what americans, members of congress heard from the ukrainian first lady. >> that's right, the people i spoke to here on the streets in tv thought it was very important that she made this high profile visit to the states, to, you know, address congress and the american public. because they say it's very important to get their message across. there was also a great sense of pride amongst people here. i spoke to one young lady, this 19-year-old student. when she started talking about

elena zelenskyy and the president, she started crying. she said she was so proud that they had stayed in the country with their children, in the capital when the bombs came raining down. i had an opportunity to speak to a member of parliament here. let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> it's really a great honor for us that our first lady, she is so powerful. she is such amazing. she has such important diplomacy mission. now she presents the views of all mothers. >> reporter: what really resonated with so many people, and thought it was very important, the fact that she focused in on the human toll this war has taken on so many different people. she talked about people that survived the holocaust, that had

been killed in this war, and the amount of children that had been killed and injured in this war. that little girl that we had been doing a story on, liza, who had down syndrome, who was killed, had become a symbol of the russian terror here. that's a girl she had met previously at the presidential compound at a christmas party. so people here felt that was a very important message to get across so people in america know how difficult it is, just for ordinary folks trying to get on with their lives here. >> ali, thank you. peter, let me go back to you. i would like you to help us understand the political landscape, the appetite at this moment, given what ali laid out and what you spoke to the first lady of ukraine about, for another round of help for ukraine. >> right now, the most recent round of aid to ukraine was $40 billion, supposed to help cover the needles of that cover, humanitarian needs, military needs. into september. but the needs never stop.

she said this war continues. our fear is that the rest of the world will forget about it right now. so obviously, this was a plea. the $40 billion dwarfed the previous total, which was roughly $13.5 billion. so this was an effort to keep it on the front burner, make thing visit here. what was striking to me, i asked her about one of those headlines, what we were hearing from the white house, the revelation of new intelligence that says right now the russians are moving to anne the person part of ukraine, which wouldn't be a surprise given the bombardment we have witnessed there, in an area that is heavily russian speaking. the first lady says she could never envision a situation where the ukrainians were willing to give up that land. she said it would be like an invader coming into your home, destroying your home, harming members of your family, and then having to agree to give them your living room and to try to live peacefully side by side. she said there are ways that

this war can end, but that's not one of them. >> thank you both. peter, we'll look for more of your reporting tonight on "nightly news" at 6:30 eastern. coming up on this show, we'll take you inside the democratic push to protect the right to contraception, with a vote now set for this week. we'll talk with the number two democrat in the house. steny hoyer is back live, coming up. steny hoyer is back live ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> tech: ...we can replace your windshield and recalibrate your advanced safety system. >> dad: looks great. thanks. >> tech: stay safe with safelite. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ up

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let us be clear, we are not going back for our daughters, our grand daughters, we are not going back. you >> tomorrow's vote will come after the house approved the respect for marriage act. every democrat and 47 republicans voted in support of that. so it passed the house, it has to get through the senate. what are the prospects? we heard from chuck shum effort -- schumer. he's asking senator tammy baldwin to get a gop sense. i want to bring in senator hoyer. >> good to be with you. >> talk about this vote on the right to contraception act. what is your expectation for how bipartisan this may be. >> i think it's going to be significantly bipartisan, but unfortunately, i think there are going to be a large number of republicans who vote no. as they did on the right to

marriage act, where we got 47 republicans. the fact is, the overwhelming majority of american people believe this is a right that every woman ought to have, every man ought to have in america. to be able to plan their family and have access to contraception. so i think it will be bipartisan. but i think there will be a large number of republicans who vote against the wishes of the public, and that's unfortunate. but it shows how radical, and many of them are, in terms of reversing the rights that people have expected over the last 50 years and longer. >> do you think that same sentiment exists in the senate on this? in other words, how do you see the path for turn thing vote tomorrow, this bill, right, into law, with senate approval? >> which is what we want to do. i think there's already expression by four republican

senators that they are going to be for this. i'm not sure what their names are, but the fact is, i think there are going to be republicans, and hopefully ten republicans who reflect the overwhelming will of the majority of americans. >> we talked about the push for democrats now to shore up reproductive rights when and where they can for people in this country. i want to ask you about something that politico is reporting on, that white house officials are looking at whether to declare what they're describing as a limited abortion health emergency. i want to explain to viewers what this is, leader hoyer. according to three sources familiar with those discussions, looking at this narrow public health directive that would make sure that people across the country have access to abortion pills. this would rely on the emergency preparedness act. and it would shield doctors, pharmacies, others from liability for giving abortion pills. i lead that out. is that something you would support if the white house made

that move? >> the answer is yes. i think the american people ought to have universal access to medication that their doctors recommend or that are across the board, across the counter medicines. again, we believe that these -- the supreme court decision was wrong, and that justice thomas, when he mentioned many other rights that americans take for granted now, could be taken away. we believe that's wrong, and we're going to take such action as can turn that around and make sure it is wrong in terms of legislation and the law of the land. >> just quickly -- >> go ahead. >> go ahead. >> well, i was just going to say what the court said, the legislatures ought to do, we ought to do as a legislature for the nation. >> have you had any conversations with folks at the white house about that particular issue? >> i have not. >> okay.

you referenced, and you just said it, the idea that the supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade also alluded to other rights that are important for people in this country on a personal level. same-sex marriage, we talked about that vote that just happened in the house, 47 republicans joining democrats. there are some -- the question now is on the senate again, and there are some senators on the republican side who told our team they don't see that right as being under threat. they don't think it's so urgent to have to take a vote on that. how do you respond to those republicans? >> well, if there is any question, why not pass it? if they think it's not at risk, then make it clear in legislation that it's not at risk. one of the first votes that i made in 1967 as a maryland state senator, very young state senator, was to repeal maryland's statues that a person

of color could not marry a white. the fact is if it's at all at risk, and thomas seemed to imply in his concurring opinion on the dobs case that it may be at risk, why not pass it? what difference will it make other to give people confidence that they can do as they thought they could do under existing constitutional law, which is being reversed by the supreme court. >> steny hoyer, thank you, as always, for being on the show. appreciate you making headlines this afternoon. thank you. >> thank you. as you heard, he alluded to the fight for the right to same-sex marriage, seven years continues. the plaintiff in that land mark court case will join us, coming up. court case will join us, coming up

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right now on capitol hill, new information coming in from our team there on the push to try to protect marriage equality. you have majority leader chuck schumer who controls the senate calendar who says he does want to bring the respect for marriage act which we talked about to a vote. this is a bill that would basically codify the protections that the supreme court gave to same-sex marriage. when will the vote be? tbd. we don't know yet. that's after the house voted to codify same-sex marriage overnight. all hundred members of the senate will have to go on the record on their stance for same-sex marriage and there's growing consensus that there isn't a consensus where republicans are on this with some members of the gop seeming a little bit skeptical and noncommittal. listen to some of the sound we heard today. >> it's a pure messaging bill. it's obviously settled law right now. >> do you think there's a chance to get 60 votes to pass the senate? >> i doubt it. >> i will not answer on that

issue until we hear the report. >> we've heard more support. senator rob portman saying he will co-sponsor this. >> my own personal views on this haven't changed from several years ago when i said i believe that people should have the opportunity to marry who they want. >> senator, democrats would codify -- would you vote for that? i probably will. >> i've also made clear my support for gay marriage years ago. >> there was a fairly significant vote, bipartisan vote last night in the house of representatives and i wouldn't be surprised if that were the case in the senate. >> i want to bring in now the lead plaintiff in the 2015 supreme court case in which same-sex marriage was legalized across the country. jim bergerfeld. thank you very much.

>> i'm glad to be here. >> you heard from members of the senate on marriage equality and do you believe same-sex marriage and the supreme court bill that has your name on it, is it under threat? >> it is under threat. we cannot rely on this to support and protect settled law and i would like to say to the senate republicans. you claim to be a pro-family party. this is your chance to prove that. prove that you are pro-family. prove that all families matter whether or not those families look like yours. it's an easy choice. it's the right choice, and i look to you to make that moral decision and support the protection of marriage equality. >> we mentioned how there is no set time for when the senate would pick up the vote on this. senator dick durbin, quote, we

have more priorities than we have time. what's your message to the democratic leadership on that? >> my message is there are a few things that are more of a priority than family, than your most important relationship and to have anyone say it isn't a priority or it isn't important is offensive. it's appalling. they need to focus on right now they need to protect our marriages and protect our families. we are americans and we deserve it. >> do you draw any optimism on the future of this bill from the fact that 47 republicans including congresswoman liz cheney and congresswoman elise stefanik, the lead republican in the house, voted to protect this right? >> i did draw strength from that and that was clearly the right thing to do, and i look to the senate to do the same thing. everyone across this nation knows someone who has gotten married, a same-sex couple.

we have not destroyed the country. we have not destroyed the world. in fact, we have made our country stronger by being able to marry and have those relationships recognized and protected, so i look to the senate to do the right thing. prove you are pro-family and vote to protect marriage equality. >> did you ever think, mr. obergefell, back in 2019 as people were celebrating around the country. i think i was out in california at the time, did you ever think we'd be here in 2022 having the discussion that we are? >> well, you know, i knew even back on june 26, 2016, that there would be pushback, and we haven't really enjoyed marriage equality since then. even though we can get married and all we have to say is kim davis or masterpiece bake shop that refused to work with us because we happened to be a same-sex couple. that did not surprise me and did i think a mere seven years later i would be terrified about

marriage equality? i had more confidence and the faith in the goodness of people and the fact that marriage is something we can all relate to. being in love is something we can all relate to or having a family or being a part of a family, we can all relate to that. why on earth do people feel the need to keep attacking same-sex families? >> jim obergefell, thank you for being on the show today and sharing your perspective, an important one to have in a conversation. thanks again, and thank you all for watching this hour on msnbc. i'll see you back here tomorrow, "deadline: white house" right after the break. tomorrow, "deadline: white house" right "deadline: white house" right after the break. and the announcer? he's not checkin' his stats, he's finding some investing ideas with merrill. and third as you know in baseball means three.

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hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east on the eve of what promises to be another blockbuster hearing by the january 6th select committee, and on the day of and the hours during the deadly capitol insurrection. the supporters storm the u.s. capitol sending his own vice president and lawmakers in both political parties running for their liveses. it led to seven deaths and hundreds of injuries. axios reported this this week, the house january 6th committee's prime time hearing will include not too subtle signals by the justice department. not that the committee hasn't already built a case against