>> -- probably withstand appeal. >> talk about how unusual a case like this is, this contempt of congress case and the difficulty of trying a case like this. >> you know, is highly unusual, but it's also extremely important because if you let individuals make their own decisions about whether they will or will not comply with lawfully issued subpoenas, whether they are congressional subpoenas, grand jury

subpoenas, trial subpoenas, then the entire system just falls apart. congress could accomplish nothing if witnesses if witnesses -- --

if you would stand by, we want to head over a little ways from are you are and that's over to capitol hill where we find allie standing by. it's only been about 20 minutes so i'm not expecting you to get any additional but you are top- notch at what you do. you may have additional grounder. how do you see this rippling out on capitol hill now that we have the sentence in the first of this first trial out of this

committee, how do you see the ripple effect from the sentencing on capitol hill? >> the committee has been clear that they want their subpoenas to mean something, and they've been clear that they are willing to do criminal contempt referrals in instances where the subpoenas have been stonewalled as we are seeing in the instance of steve bannon, the fact that he's guilty, really punctuates nicely we are trying to get to the bottom of this, and they will run each threat to the ground and if that means taking these to court, then they go to court. the question that i have now, is what does this mean for the original overtures of cooperation that he seemed to have right before the trial started. there was skepticism from people about why is this happening now, this is not necessarily someone they believe to be a good faith actor and i even asked chairman

thompson, have you seen any documents, any records come forward for mr. bannon? chairman thompson said, no, and that was something they said they needed to see before they even started having conversations about banning coming in and testifying because your member, in the initial overture from bannon, he said he wants to come in and testify but that he wants to do it live and in public, it's not something the committee was willing to do at least not initially, they said they needed to see something in good faith from him in the form of documents and records and that doesn't seem to have come so now that the trial is over, what does that mean for the cooperation. was it just a ruse to get out of the trial or was it something that actually meant something? >> before i ask you to answer your own question, i want to go back to glenn and ask glenn, could this be a negotiating tool between now and sentencing if in fact it's okay, i'm going to testify, could the judge offer up a more lenient sentencing for bannon, if in fact he decides to offer up documents and/or testimony that the j6 committee wanted. >> allie tees up the question

perfectly because just because he went to trial and was convicted, that doesn't mean they're still not room for cooperation with the government, with the j6 committee and importantly with the cooperation. there were many times that somebody didn't want to cooperate with our investigation, we would take them to trial and we would convict them and then we would enter into negotiations, they often didn't get as much of a benefit of a bargain if we had to go to the trial and convicted but there's still the opportunity to bring them into the government fold or the j6 fold and get what would have to be full complete accurate truthful testimony if there was going to be any consideration and the possibility of a reduced sentence, so the question is does he think he could do to your standing in prison on his head or does he want to cut his losses and began telling the truth about what he knows. >> back over to you, and the likelihood that bannon will testify and the j6 immunity even once his testimony

considering the fact that they are not yet done but likely more to come in the fall. >> look they want cooperation from anyone who will come forward and cooperate. if steve bannon wants to turn around and actually give them the information that they are asking for, i have to imagine that the january 6th committee is going to take that and see what they can do with that information, they have the ability now, taking august off but still fact-finding, coming back at some point in september for multiple hearings, that's been our reporting, but we know some of those hearings will be a scaled-back version of the final report and potentially seeing the final report, the important thing to think about with the final report and perhaps the reason they are doing this in multiple hearings, is because once the issue their final report in the committee's creation bylaws, they are going to have to expand the committee within 30 days of it being issues, it

behooves the committee to go slowly with this, especially as they've been getting more information, the more fact- finding and public presentation that they've been doing, so we are likely to see them take their time in september, the scaled-back report might not have everything that they know. i have a feeling, as we sit here looking at the other side of our screen here and microphones, that if we see steve bannon, he's not someone who usually is shy in front of a camera or microphone. he may very well answer these questions for us, if cooperation of any form is still on the table because all of us here are old enough to remember a few weeks ago, when he stood outside this very courthouse and maligned the committee, and said, very nasty things about them, and all of a sudden a few weeks later, turned around and said well now that the former president has waived executive privilege which may or may not have even even applied, now he can come forward and cooperate. he can put the cabelas on the whole thing where he can continue to draw this thing out. we will see what happens. >> will be watching the

microphones pretty closely. one of the things i'm wondering, the role that steve bannon has played consistently inside trump world, how will this paint amongst trumpet supporters, inside that world? >> it's such a great question because as some lawmakers will be talking about the fact that steve bannon is now someone who has been singled out as being a problematic person in the justice system and has been found guilty, that would be a negative stamp for him, in political circles, when it comes to the trump movement and it comes to this far right conspiracy theory wing of the republican party, this is going to make steve bannon even more of a martyr, he'll be trying to use this to say look the government and deep state is

after me and they wanted me to betray trump and i had to be found guilty of this charge. i can imagine steve bannon turning this on its head even as congressional members of congress will say this is evidence that steve bannon was doing the wrong thing here, and he should have come before the january 6th committee as others have done including cassidy hutchinson and so many young women that liz cheney was talking about saying, there are so many people who are coming and being courageous and steve bannon and men in their 50s, 60s and 70s art showing the same courage. but on the right wing media sphere, you can imagine they will use us to say even more evidence that the justice system and all of the different mechanisms of the u.s. government are against trumpet supporters. >> i want to bring pete williams back into the conversation and as we look ahead and considering of course the verdict from this bannon trial, guilty on both counts,

what does this mean for the greater conversation when we are talking about other contempt charges. and on top of that of course the considerations coming out of the department of justice and how to move forward? >> there is another contempt trial, that will start in november, it's a little ironic by the way that we are waiting for steve bannon to come outside the courtroom and talk which he has done every day, but he didn't talk during the trial. there was no defense witness called at all, his defense, simply rested, they did not put on any witnesses, that is their right of course there is no requirement that the defendant testify and that was one question going into this about whether he would testify and he chose not to and chose not to put any witnesses on at all. he's done all this talking outside the courthouse and i'm sure we will hear from him again today. and the other thing is, in terms of talking about what the potential sentencing means about his potential cooperation, we said this 100 times before but i think it always bears repeating, this trial was about whether he

should be punished for declining to or refusing to abide by or obey the subpoena. a conviction does not now require him to testify or produce the documents. it simply punishes them for refusing to do so. so he is not legally required as a result of this verdict to cooperate with the committee. and i think that's why it was the wellspring of your question about whether he might choose to do so anyway, in order to be looked upon more favorably by the judge. remember before the trial started, he said he would be willing to cooperate with the committee or at least began to

open the door to cooperation because he said, the president had stopped asserting executive privilege. the whole question of whether executive privilege up right here of course, was partly a legal one and partly a factual one. there was some question according to the justice department about whether the president's lawyers had ever in fact, told steve bannon, don't go up there and testify at all. with the government said is, at most, what a lawyer for the former president said, asserting executive privilege, where appropriate. in other words, the suggestion being you can't just completely stiff the committee, you've got to go up there in response to certain questions and it may be appropriate to exert executive privilege. so that's a question that never got answered, because the judge said they couldn't go there for the defense and that maybe one of the issues they will want to explore on appeal. >> still a lot of outstanding questions as we continue to watch the microphones out sort outside the courtroom. thank you guys, so i want to remind you, you are looking at the image on your screens outside the courthouse, steve bannon found guilty on both

counts. awaiting a statement from his attorneys or bannon. we will bring it to you. we are also watching the white house, the press briefing for the president, being moved to 3:30, an update of course on his health, the president, positive for covid, this is the second day that he's dealing with covid symptoms but we are told he's doing well so we are waiting for an update on that. we are also dealing with a major heatwave in the country. we are covering that for you, as well. we will be right back right

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what the jury heard that came to the conclusion, about what was put on in the courtroom. david will talk about our appeals process but listen, and the closing argument the prosecutor missed one very important phrase, right, i stand with trump and the constitution, and i will never back off that, ever. >> what happened?

>> >> this is round one, that's what happened. this is a bulletproof appeal have you ever in another case seen judge six times saying in the case that he thinks the standard for willfulness is wrong. he said he doesn't comport with modern jurisprudence and doesn't comport with the standard of the traditional definition but he feels his hands were bound by a 1961 decision. you will see this case reversed on appeal, you will see all of these resources three federal prosecutor's, for fbi federal agents are being wasted. you cannot find another crime in which misdemeanor or felony in which a person is convicted without believing or knowing or having reason to believe he or she did anything wrong. that's the standard that was applied in this case.

the government said from the start the standard they were urging on the court was, was bannon subpoenaed and did he show up, doesn't matter his reasons. they won the case may be enclosing today, they lost their appeal in closing today. the overreaching by the government in this case has been extraordinary on every level but shame on this office of the united states attorney's office and the department of justice for how far it went in this case. they put forward an argument today that completely tears asunder constitutional principle of separation of powers. they argue to the jury today that when a person gets a subpoena and executive privilege is invoked, it's for congress to decide whether the executive privilege is valid and how broad it is. that's absolutely false. the court, there's a question, whether it is traditional in court but if it is, only the courts can be the arbiter. they liken congress to a referee on a playground field

with children and mr. bannon didn't want to listen to the referee. that's not how our constitutional structure works. whether one believes it executive privilege was properly invoked, how broad it was, et cetera, when a former president or current president invokes executive privilege, it's presumptively valid. period. if not for congress to decide that it's not valid. secondly, from the willfulness standard that the judge felt compelled to apply in this case in which he said, he's inclined to think is wrong, again, all they had to prove was that he didn't show up. that can't be the standard in a state in the case especially in a case that holds the potential for a jail sentence of think about it. any citizen gets a subpoena from congress, hires an experienced lawyer, the lawyer tells the citizen, you may not comply, not we ought to think about it, former president invoked executive privilege, you may not comply, you can debate whether he could imply in part or in full. he listened to his lawyer. it's not an intuitive process,

his lawyer directed him, the justice department decisions, they are official decisions in the past, when they are served with the subpoena and executive privilege is invoked, cannot be compelled to appear and this statute cannot be applied against them. the issues in this case are astounding. >> by the way, hang on, i want to thank the jury, the judge particularly the court administration, everyone, i only have one disappointment, and that is the gutless members of that show trial committee, the j6 committee, didn't have the guts to come down here and testify in open court. thank you very much. >> >> so we just heard from steve bannon, and his attorney as well, obviously talking about the road ahead, what things are

going to look like, feeling confident in their appeals process, with that i want to bring in glen kershner to fact check some of what we just heard layout what is ahead for steve bannon, we spoke about this appeals process, they are calling it pretty bulletproof, what do you make of it? >> yeah, so, let me quote judge nichols, when defense attorney show made the same arguments in court he said, your legal arguments are comical, imprecise and i'm going to stick with judge nichols assessment of those issues but here's the thing there will be issues that are worth litigating on appeal. i happen to think this case will be affirmed on appeal by the way you address a subpoena that you believe you have privileges to, and i know because i've litigated these issues, is, you appear, you answer question by question by

question for instance, please state your name, you can't say executive privilege, you have to say stephen k bannon. that's the way privilege works. you asserted on a question by question basis. what steve bannon did was defy the subpoena and then post on social media as the evidence showed, celebrating and posting the fact that he was defying congressional subpoena. so, we got some more defense spit outside the courtroom and we didn't get a whole lot of reliable information. >> two other things that stood out to me that i want you to talk us through. and that is first kind of, what his defense attorney laid out, saying that congress decides executive privilege in fact it's the president decides executive privilege, in not

testifying to the january 6th committee. >> there's truth in both of those, the committee has rules in place that say, if a witness is testifying and he or she assert some kind of privilege, the chairman can make a decision about whether the privilege applies or not. however, the chairman doesn't have the ability to compel the testimony for instance if representative thompson said i find that you have no viable privilege, he can't force the testimony but that to use the issue of them, to move into court, steve danna did not avail himself of the process, he justified the subpoena and boasted about it. >> what you make of this clarification, i'll say, of steve bannon saying in fact, i stand with trump and the constitution, and what that means, really, for any kind of future negotiation he will have with the january 6th committee, calling them, as he put it, gutless members of the committee. >> yeah, that will not serve

steve bannon well come sentencing time, those statements will be held against him. i predict, by judge nichols and i think it qualifies as irony that he said i stand by donald trump and the constitution because i don't think anybody can say with a straight face that donald trump stands with the constitution, not after what we saw at last night's j6 public hearing. >> two major stories developing this hour of course, glenn as always, we appreciate you jumping on for us and being there in front of the courthouse and clarifying things for us as steve bannon has been found guilty on both counts. what's ahead for him, we can only guess. thank you, for now, we are following the white house, we are told a briefing will start around 3:30. giving us an update on the presidents health of course, currently dealing with a covid diagnosis but we are told he's

doing well. his symptoms, have in fact, improved. as soon as that get started, we will bring that to you, coming up. see you on the other side. othe.

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house briefing that we've been watching for the last 30 minutes, the up date on the presidents condition a day after he learned of his covid diagnosis. i want to bring in white house correspondent mike, also contributor dr. azar. mike, i'll stay with you, would you think will hear when this get started? >> one of the reasons why the briefing was delayed by half an hour is because we just heard from the president with live pictures coming via zoom of him being briefed by members of his economic team. the president did deliver brief remarks about the fact that gas prices have now been on decline for more than a month. the president did sound i would say, rather horse but he said i feel a lot better than i sound, as he was kicking it off and tossing it back to members of the economic team, he also was seen reaching for cough drops

and at one point he did let out a pretty strong cough but as somebody who has lived and experienced covid myself, he seemed a lot better on day one than i did. but let's also talk about now what we've learned from the president top physician, dr. o'connor, releasing a letter saying that the president continues to show good indications that he did yesterday experience an elevated arbiter of 99.4 degrees but that now he has completed his first full day of paxlovid. he is seeing those symptoms subside and he does continue to experience a cough as we just heard from the president himself but dr. o'connor saying that he would continue to be treated with paxlovid, tylenol and also to get hydrated. we know that's an important part for anybody who's experiencing covid symptoms. and now we've also heard updates about both the vice president and the first lady who were both among those listed as close contacts to

president biden, the first lady we understand from her spokesperson has tested negative. she's home in delaware at the moment and the vice president also tested negative this morning, she continued with her public schedule speaking at an event here in washington. so a number of questions expected to be asked at this roofing when we see karine jean- pierre and dr. jah. also, what the prognosis is and an update on when we might see the president resumed his schedule should his condition remained stable at this point. >> even though he's the president, mike, and has got a stick for every movement he makes, even reaching for a cough drop, but when you are the president, that comes with the territory. it seems as if he's doing well, feeling better today than he was yesterday. he is working, we now know, i'm

talking about gas prices. we are seeing and hearing that his symptoms have gotten better, he's on day two of paxlovid. walk me through what you are going to be listening for. >> sure, let's think about it this way, covid-19, if nothing else can behave either like a common cold or, if you are fortunate enough to not get very sick, you are still going to experience what we would refer to as a typical viral symptom, sore throat, runny nose, achy, cough, anyone who's had covid and didn't get very sick from it, probably experienced you know some variation of those symptoms on the spectrum, so that's to be expected. i would say one thing, when we do get older we don't mount fevers the way we do when we are younger, 99.4 doesn't actually constitute or qualify as a fever in the medical world, so you need to be at like

100.4 or higher, you know, but nonetheless a low-grade fever is to be expected, so that's totally okay. i think even more than that, we know his vital signs and oxygenation are normal. it's how he feels. if he's feeling well enough to work, that's a very good indication that what is starting as an upper respiratory tract infection is staying in the upper respiratory tract and not descending into the lungs where it can set up residence and cause pneumonia which is much more concerning. >> we are hearing the president saying in the virtual meeting that he was having, that he's feeling better than he actually sounds. would you say at this point that he is out of the woods? >> no. it's still early in the course of his illness. i would say, you know the fact that he started the paxlovid so early which inhibits viral

replication so he's getting that load down quickly, unless something unforeseen happens, you know, i do expect him to get better but this is covid, and when you're older, you never take anything like this for granted. i would say, if he gets to his five days of paxlovid, you know, without developing pneumonia, i would feel very reassured. there is still this thing called the storm, which is the paradoxical overreaction of the inflammatory response to infection that can still happen at 10 days, 14 days, but again, the fact that he was boosted and so well vaccinated and got the antiviral therapy, certainly hoping that would not be the case but you always keep your eye on folks, president biden's age, more carefully than just 48 hours. >> as mike just put it, we will be hearing about contact

tracing, the folks that he came into contact with over the last couple of days. how effective do you see contact tracing being, considering the fact that so many people are vaccinated or asymptomatic, and on top of all that, it's not like home tests are reliable 100%. >> right, i think we are at a certainly different place than we were 2 1/2 years ago where not only was it was important to contact trees going forward, but important to find out how he got affected in the first place and then you are going backwards to make sure that those contacts were made aware. i would say, we all know this with covid, the horses out of the barn by the time someone is affected but it's important that other people know that they were contact of someone who tested positive so they can

test themselves remember, you don't need to quarantine if you been fully vaccinated, so it won't necessarily change that behavior but you should be masks when you're indoors for 10 days if you been exposed to someone so it will change the behavior in that way but in terms of controlling the spread, i think that is less of a golden actually making sure that everyone actually knows they might have been exposed because you never know somebody's underlying conditions. it's different from monkeypox where we are looking to contain an outbreak by doing extensive contact tracing. >> we know this is day two of his covid that diagnosis, we believe he's taking a five day treatment of paxlovid. are they waiting for than a negative test for the president to be able to get back on the road? >> what we heard from the white house yesterday was that yes they will be testing him again at the fifth day which would be early next week and if you were to test negative, this would be an antigen test, they said they would not to the pcr test.

the pet president could intentionally go back into work but of course of the white house is pointing out, he lives above the store as the president might put it, he's able to conduct most of his business wherever he is and that's the way the presidency works but the bigger concern for this white house, is whether the president can get back out on the road, remember, he was supposed to do an event in pennsylvania talking about the gun safety law that he had just signed and do a fundraiser for the dnc and next week he was supposed to have two events in the state of florida including the first real political rally of the midterm elections and so, coming after a period in which the president was so occupied by his foreign- policy agenda, multiple trips overseas and a two month span, a number of summits that he hosted, they were eager to get him out on the road especially to talk about what they think are good trends like the gas

prices, so they are going to of course, make sure that all of the indications are positive before and by positive i certainly would mean negative, as it relates to covid before the president can really return to that kind of robust schedule that they were hoping to have him on at this point. >> good word correction here. we are going to continue to watch the press room as we await the press conference from karine jean-pierre, as soon as i get started, we will bring it to you. we will be right back . back

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we are taking a look at live pictures of the press briefing room there at the white house. we've been waiting for white house press secretary karine

jean-pierre and dr. jah, this is day two of the president with his covid diagnosis. yesterday he tested positive for covid, having been four times vaccinated, so he's got two shots, to boosters. he had mild symptoms yesterday, he had a runny nose, dry cough, tiredness, and we are told some of the symptoms are now actually improving and the president has been out and working, today he was in a briefing talking about of course the rising gas prices as the country is dealing with sky high inflation and his approval rating just hovering around 30% or so. in the president having to deal with that. he was supposed to be out on the road, having to put all of that on delay in the midst of an election year as we look ahead toward the november elections, this putting a wrench in some of those plans as the president awaits a diagnosis, day two of this paxlovid treatment that he's

receiving. i believe he's on a five day treatment and the hope is, that his symptoms continue to improve but because of the presidents advanced age at 79, he's got a white house team of doctors that are watching him incredibly closely so as soon as the press briefing begins, we will bring it to you. we also want to look at some of the other top stories that we are following. you've got russia and ukraine signing deal to restart grade networks, the deal is crucial for world food surprise, and it's the first treaty between the two countries since the war broke out in february. it was brokered by turkey in istanbul. fuentes, a 27-year-old man was indicted thursday and charged with two felony counts of in which he confessed to a girl. dr. said that the girl had to leave ohio and go to indiana to

get an abortion, fuentes, his arraignment is set for monday. and singer ricky martin said to perform tonight at the hollywood bowl, hours after his own nephew dropped allegations that he had a sexual relationship with the singer. martin tweeting after the case was dropped, truth travails. we will be right back right bac

>> we did have a temperature to 99.94 degrees fahrenheit which responded favorably to tylenol. his temperature has remained normal since then. his symptoms remain characterized as runny nose and fatigue with an occasional non-productive, now loose cough. his voice is deeper this morning. his pulse, blood pressure, respiratory rate and oxygen saturation remain entirely normal on room air.

the president is tolerating treatment well. we will continue paxlovid as planned. his symptoms will be treated supportively with oral hydration, tylenol and albuterol inhaler that he uses as needed. his eliquis and crestor treatment were after his last dose. during this time it is reasonable to add low-dose aspirin as an alternative type of blood thinner. as i stated previously, the president is twice vaccinated and twice boosted, so i anticipate that he will respond favorably as most max mally protected patients do. there has been nothing in the course of his illness thus far which gives me pause to alter the initial expectation. early use of packs layoffity provides additional protection against severe disease. he will isolate in accordance

with cdc recommendations and we will continue to monitor him closely during this very common outpatient treatment regimen. as promised, i will keep your office updated with any changes in his condition or treatment plan. respectively, kevin c. o'conner. i also want to update you on what the president has been up to and how he's continuing to work hard on behalf of the american people. last night the president signed the baby formula bill congress passed. he also spoke with senator carper to see how he was feeling and to the hosts of yesterday's dnc event to thank them for their flexibility. this morning the president received the president's daily briefing virtually, as you all know. he also met virtually with his economic team on the progress being made to lower gas prices for american families as you all saw yourselves. dr. jha and i spoke to the president over facetime this

afternoon. i asked him if he had a message for the american people. the president said he's still putting eight-plus hours of work a day and that he wants to remind americans to get vaccinated because in his own words, it matters. look, the president hopes the country will see that while we should continue to take covid very seriously, we have the tools we need to deal with this. president biden is benefiting from two vaccines, two boosters and he's advocating for every american to take advantage of these vaccines and boosters which we have made available for free at 90,000 convenient places nationwide, and he's benefiting from paxlovid, a powerful antiviral we've made available at 42,000 locations including local pharmacies across the country. all americans have access to the same vaccines, boosters, treatment that president biden is receiving right here at the

white house, and the president hopes that all americans who are over 50 get boosted now if they haven't already and get paxlovid if they test positive. now i am glad to return to the briefing room, dr. jha and the white house coronavirus response coordinator who is joining me today and we are happy to take some questions. i know you have a few things you wanted to share. >> good afternoon, everybody. i want to make a few remarks. something similar to karine. first of all, good to be with all of you today. you just heard karine give an update on the president, and i am happy to answer questions about his health, and second, as you heard, we facetimed with the president earlier today. i also spoke at length multiple times today with dr. o'conner and as you all saw a few moments ago, the president is doing better. he slept well last night. he ate his breakfast and lunch. [ laughter ] >> fully. he showed me his plate.

[ laughter ] didn't ask about the menu, but i did see an empty plate with crumbs, and i have some guesses about what was there, but didn't ask. [ inaudible question ] >> didn't ask. i did ask him about his appetite. he joked that his one regret was that his appetite had not changed. look, he is -- he was, he is in a very good mood. i want to take a step back and emphasize the message that you heard from karine. as the white house covid-19 response coordinator, what i think every american needs to hear, what the president laid out is that while we have a very contagious variant out there, thanks to this president's leadership, we have the ability to manage this. we are now at a point, i believe, where we can prevent nearly every covid death in america. that is a remarkable fact. so if you are vaccinated, but

have not gotten a booster, this is a really good time to get a booster. if you're over 50 and haven't gotten a vaccine shot in the year 2022, this is a really good time to go and get a shot. they are free. they are widely available, and as you heard, if you are over the age of 50 or have any kind of chronic condition that meets cdc critteria -- >> so you are taking a listen to dr. ashish jha in the white house press room and of course, the daily white house press briefing and what we are told is the president is doing quite well. he's having still some of those mild symptoms, but it seems as if he has a pretty robust appetite and he's in a good mood, as well and he also is continuing to work as he had promised to do so yesterday in the video he had put out, of course, on social media. and karine st. pierre and ashish jha confirmed they facetimed with the president and he had one message for the american people and that message was in fact to get vaccinated. that does it for me this hour.

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