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me and there are still times i think, i need to tell brittany about this or, you know, you can't call her, you can't email her, you can't text her. all can you do now is go to her grave. and that's not good enough. it's never going to be good enough. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. thank you for watching welcome to the show, i'm zerlina maxwell. coming up the covid surge side by side with this stunning fact. the number of monkeypox cases reported in the u.s. has tripled in the past three weeks, according to the cdc. we will talk about what is being done or not done to stop it. and despite everything that we have heard in a primetime january six hearing this week, will the justice department actually take action? we will talk about what that merrick garland memo means in the wake of striking testimony.
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we begin with this week's january six hearing. the answer to questions about what exactly former president donald trump was doing and the 187 minutes between a speech at the ellipse and his video telling insurrectionists to go home quote with love. and live testimony, we learned the president knew the scene that turned volatile. he refused to stop the mob. and they once loyal trump aide sarah matthews, recounted how trump's nearest and dearest pleaded with him. to call off the rioters but, he did not. he chose instead to sit in the dining room watching fox news on tv, he did nothing. thursday's hearing, left no question that every single person in the white house was aware of the danger. one of the most chilling testament to that fact came from the testimony. former white house security
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official whose identity is being protected describes the raw fear heard over the radio on january six from secret service agents on the ground at the capitol. >> obviously, it was 30 but what prompted you to put into the entry? [inaudible] >> we are running out of options, they are getting nervous. it sounds that we came very close to either [inaudible] or worse. at that point, i don't know. it can be the compromised, i don't know. we did not have visibility but, if they were screaming and saying things like saying goodbye to their families. >> i want you to just sit with that for a moment and think about that. they were so scared that they were saying goodbye to their family members. we also saw joe talk was mike
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pence and secret service detail came to being trapped inside at the capitol building, with the president up, the united states. [inaudible] >> they gained access to the second floor, i have coverage five feet from me down here below. copy. they are on the second floor. moving in now. you may want to consider getting out and leaving now. copy? >> joining me now, congressman -- a democrat from new jersey. my home state, she survived the capitol attack. in a secret chamber with fellow representatives, congresswoman i just put some of the moments from last night's hearing. that struck me. what stood out to you the most
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as you listen to the testimony from former aide sarah matthews and former national security adviser matthew pottinger? >> thank you for having me. i think what stands out for me almost every time i see this is that there is no bottom to this. when i think it is gone as low as they can go, as the serving as it could be, something else is revealed. it is even worse than i thought. so last night, when i thought was he really is quite capable of having your feelings about anybody, whether individual or -- there wasn't any acting on his part. it was actively watching the plan that he put in place being executed. it was nothing for him to do. from his perspective which is why you kept refusing to say what they were saying to him
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about come on, stop this. no, that's exactly what he wanted to happen because everything else failed. my greatest takeaway is that he is capable of caring for nothing but himself. the other takeaway that i have is that scares me, we don't understand the role of the secret service. which is an organization we think is the ultimate protector of those who have been elected to office. and even to the united states in general. that scares me. >> it is pretty scary, just to sort of make the distinction, secret service is tasked with protecting the president and the vice president physically. physically but not politically. and so i don't want people to conflate those two points. some of the most powerful men in the former presidents inner circle spoke to the lack of
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action that he took on january 6th during the violence or as adam kinzinger calls, it the total quote dereliction of duty, take a listen. >> are you up wherever the phone call by the president of the united states to the secretary of homeland security that day? >> i am not aware of that no. >> did you ever hear the president asked for the national guard? did you ever hear the president asked for law enforcement response? >> no. >> we got assaulted on the capital of the united states of america. and there is nothing? no call, nothing, zero? >> they came so close to the floor of the house. you and your colleagues were rushed up to a secret location, really missing the mob by a few minutes. i think now that we see all of it, the additional surveillance video, it's so visceral how
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close we came to catastrophe. what was your gut reaction? when you heard that the president appears to have made zero calls to anybody? to home on her nobody for assistance. >> you know, i never thought that he was particularly competent. i just in the know how renal he was. and, so his lack of acknowledge, his lack in the beginning is kind of like he did not know what he was doing. i just really, but really what it was, and was that his plan was being executed. he had every intention of doing everything and anything that he could do to delay the peaceful, the certification of the election. e it created all of these false narratives and used his voice to wed up it and to make them angry. he misinformed them
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intentionally. why did i think is evil and it -- is agitation of his job and responsibility. the bottom line is that at what point is it clear that the dots are connected between him and the folks that went over there to the capitol and did what they did? at, least going on. how much interaction has there been? can we connect those thoughts and say, not only should he never run for president. not only was he not doing his duty. not only did he not care about the state security of the vice president or his country, or with anybody else. but is this indict-able. is this an action that can be prosecuted? i am not going to discriminate, i listen to attorneys analyze all of the time on many of the
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stations. and they always lead with that caveat. are the dots connected? where he actually is considered to have committed a crime. yes. he committed crime against this country in my mind and he surely has demonstrated that he is not capable of holding an elective office. he destroyed the legacy of the presidency. i do not always support, he had in terms of my vote. i supported them and i believed him for doing the right thing for our country. -- with the exception of one before him and you know, nixon. that sounds like a walk in the park now. with trump motivated, generated was dangerous. it was dangerous to the lives of individuals.
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it was dangerous to our government. he should pay for that. >> it's an important point in terms of accountability, we will all pay very close attention to see how that happens if at all. congressman, bonnie watson coleman, thank you so much for starting us off. amateurs a girl so it was love having you on the show. please stay safe. coming up, as more shocking details are revealed in the primetime hearing, that doj says they will follow the facts and hunt on every single week. what does that mean for the missing secret service text messages? and that they needed white house all outs? we will discuss that after this break. break. we will discuss that wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles on our jackets? -denied. -can you imagine? i want a new nickname. can you guys start calling me snake? no, bryan. -denied. -how about we all get quotes
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that was the message from liz cheney at the latest but clearly, not the last. not the series finale of the january 6th hearings. >> doors have opened, new subpoenas have been issued. and the dam has begun to break. and now, even as we conduct the ninth hearing, we have considerably more to do. we have far more evidence to share with the american people and more to gather. our committee will spend august, pursuing, i'm information on multiple fronts before can beating further hearings the
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september. >> congressional investigators are being pretty clear about the next step. meanwhile, the department of justice is working under the opposite conditions. really under a veil of silence, something merit garland is necessary and intentional. joining me now to discuss, former fbi counterintelligence agent, peter strzok. also the author of compromised counterintelligence and the threat of donald j trump. i'm also joined now by hugo, he works for the guardian. we have been talking for days now about deleted secret service text messages. but last, night we also learned about semesters dmv records at the white house so take a listen. >> on the screen is a presidential call logs from january six. as you can see there is no official record of presidential on proceeding or placing a call between 11:06 and 6:54 pm. as to what the president was doing that afternoon, that
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presidential daily diary is also silent. it contains no information from the period between 120 1 pm and 4:03 pm. >> so, peter no photos, we are missing tax messages, missing records. empty call logs, blank diaries during key hours. really probably, one of the most monumental days in american history. is that something that warrants further investigation? >> that's certainly a question about it. it's possible that if you had one, log one system that was down, well if you have all of these different sources of data. as you indicated, really the most consequential day in any but he's living memory. the fact that there isn't data is clearly standing out as a huge red flag. donald trump is displayed when he is doing something wrong, he is very clear about it. when you met with vladimir putin, he insisted on no aides with them. he said i don't want translators. sam then what we heard from the hearings last night and before,
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he went to the dining room next to the oval office. did not want any photographers. when he is doing things badly, he wants to be alone and he wants no record of it. i think it's incumbent on all of these different investigators. remember, we had the january six committee, it's all gone. the department of justice which is well underway investigating any number of funds. and then we had last week, department of homeland security inspector general announcing a criminal investigation into the secret service. there are many different avenues in investigations that are going on right now, all of them have a huge interest in finding out exactly what was and these gaps and trying to find that data and make sense of it. >> so fascinating to see how quickly the story went from kind of weird and transitioning to seeming the ferry is definitely should be investigated. seriously and he'll go, i have to know, terry tweeted about the video shared last night of ja collie. i have to be honest, i laughed about for several state
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minutes. i did in my home alone, because it was so funny. and what's the crowd up into a frenzy with the fist in the air, sort of being the proverbial tough guy on january six. protected by the capitol police when he did that. then you can see here, they put the circle around them so you can see him running and scurrying out for safety. fleeing the mob that he had incited for. do you think that obviously, the people on the rim laughed but, do you think josh hawley today, people are thinking a little bit differently about him and potentially his future prospects as a presidential candidate? because of that contrast between before after the attack on the capitol? >> i think those are really shocking moment for sure. we know based off the reporting when he walked past the east front of the capital of his face, it really riled up the
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routers on that side of the capitol. they saw that as an encouragement, they saw that as justification. they saw that as an endorsement. and so that really was one of the key moments that kind of rally the crowd. that eventually stormed that part of the capital. in terms of political prospects, difficult to say right because republicans have always kind of you know banded together over january six. decided that they will just turn a blind eye to this. the one thing that struck me yesterday zerlina was the tapes of mitch mcconnell. saying you know when can we go back in the side and the house minority and kevin mccarthy saying this was all trump's fault. and yet both of them in the aftermath of january 6th moved to block the creation of a commission and they wanted nothing to do in this investigation into january six. if i am brutally honest and based on the compilations i had with people on capitol hill, his political ambitions were probably not damned at all. that is how republicans are. the >> important point there and peter, what are the things
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that makes me think of is that the statue, federal statue that says you have corruptly tried to delay an official proceeding. what do you see the backstage basically, what macron footage that mitch mcconnell and other members of congress trying to figure out how to safely continue as certification process. while the attack is underway, and you see when has happened with many of the members of congress running for their safety. and the middle of the insurrection, you can see how the insurrection was a part of the laying, that certification. how do you put those back together to prove out that donald trump's intention, in a potential criminal investigation. >> i think the way you get the trump is ultimately sort of the path that ironically from the top down, a january six committee is doing. and the bottom up, the doj has been doing. facts of the matter is there's a range of activities that were going on before leading up to
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january six. whether was a fake electoral slates in various states, organizing and getting people on the ground on january six to march on the capitol. when there was he is that he is a view no using the national guard to seize voting machines. all of these different paths and chapters of the january six committee has been laying out, sort of come together in one common point. well we saw last night was that common point is the white house. if you're trying to demonstrate from a criminal perspective, it's especially important to show that donald trump himself not only knew about it on the day of january six, but they had warning ahead of time. there were these threats that were minimum the night before. that he had contact in rudy giuliani with folks like john eastman, some of eastman's theories. whether or not he was making calls answers that we know well about brad raffensperger, folks on in georgia. but the more that can be shown that trump was involved over a long period of time, really goes to show that this was a deliberate thing plan in
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advance. >> peter strzok and hugo lowell, thank you much for being here please stay safe. coming, up what is mayor garland's memo really mean when it comes to investigating donald trump? we will discuss when we are back. investigatin donald trump donald trump we will discuss when but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws at&t 5g is fast, reliable and secure for your business. back make your home totally you. back times i'm a homebody. can never have too many pillows. sometimes i'm all business. wooo! i'm a momma 24/7. seriously with the marker?
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need to wait on us to do something, i sure hope that merrick garland has an open criminal investigation into donald trump. what we have laid out there and the information that is publicly available as well. >> that was regina congresswoman, the house select committee on january six. on a hard up that the doj is investigating donald trump for possible prosecution. criminal prosecution, and as you know that when a prosecution has to hold criminals accountable. during thursday's hearing, chairman benny thompson said it in plain terms. accountability is crucial for january six. if there is no accountability, for january six, for every part of this scheme i feel that we will not overcome the ongoing threat to our democracy. >> and many people believe trump committed crimes, his attempt to overturn the election, are nervous who will
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get away with it. and you can kind of understand their fear there. after two impeachments a threat to bring about conviction in the senate, the mueller investigation which fair to bring charges against donald trump. i know, more recently we have reports that trump could announce to run for president in 2020 for any day now. along with the emergence of a memo from attorney general mehmet garland, the doj staff about the political sensitivity of investigating a declared candidate. with all of that in mind, here to discuss, my siriusxm buddy colleague and msnbc opinion columnist. he wrote a piece saying garland memo does not rule out prosecuting trump. lay that out for us for those who are anxious. >> sure, first of all the reality was the headline was that mayor garland extends bill barr's rule on prosecuting presidential candidates and anything bill barr is saying that anything mayor garland is
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expanding that bill barr did, i am sure i get why would freak about, it freaks me out if mayor garland was going to follow bill barr's rule on changing the hours and the doj commissaries like how will that help republicans and donald trump? that is what we have been through and i think was the fact that he literally was mayor garland, extending the bill barr rule. and all the rule says is that russia so you cannot investigate in the presidential candidate. simply says, you need the approval of the attorney general in writing before you do it. as a practical matter, you think the doj was going to allow investigations into ex president, the first one ever without having mayor garland revolve than it? of course we are going to. everybody calm down, if merritt garland has the evidence in the, facts the fortitude, he could is the investigate donald trump. no prohibition the bobo. >> everybody summer, down bringing down one level.
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so donald trump you know, he seemed to sort of scatter his entire life without any real consequences for wrongdoing. there's been so many allegations, i work for hillary clinton so i know even the business dealings that he was involved in where he did that face consequences for even some criminal activity. his foundation, obviously is not able to be a foundation anymore. then he had trump university which became a legal case. there is a long list of things, then there was the big blow with robert mueller. is that why you think people are so anxious in this moment? he will somehow escape accountability? >> so, are you suggesting that a rich white men might have a different standard in terms of how they are treated by criminal justice system? perhaps, and i know you do and we both agree that are the facts. donald trump is gotten away with years, ago discriminate
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against black, the doj reached that consent agreement. -- illegal lobbying scheme and they were not chopping the record. and then -- when he got away with, help buy the -- so yes, we'll get the sense that donald trump, the tough along don as we call it and get away with, it i will remind people that teflon john was a mobs are here in new york. -- he had trials and it was not convicted. what happened to? him until he got convicted, he got convicted and he spent his last days in a prison cell. only the teflon don until they finally get you. in this case, what you are, saying if you don't hold off or get him accountable, you are not just getting donald trump a green light to do the same thing, any candidate. there could be a democratic demigod one day down to future. he has to be held accountable. he has to go to prison. >> it's really important for the rule of law in this country
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that anybody who there's probable wrongdoing that they are held accountable by the folks who prosecute people who commit crimes. unfortunately, we're in a moment where one of those people might have been the president. we will see how this unfolds. dean obeidallah, my siriusxm colleague. thanks so much for being here. also, opinion columnist for msnbc. places a. thanks again. coming up we'll, discuss the condemn drawl of stephen bannon, former trump aide could face up to two years behind bars if convicted. we'll be right. back
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>> former trump aide, steve bannon, who's been on trial for defying a committee subpoena. if he's convicted of the two misdemeanor charges of contempt of congress, he could go to jail for up to two years.
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a reminder of why the committee subpoenaed him, just listen to this tape played at the thursday hearings of comments that steve bannon made, a few days before the 20 2020 election. >> which i'm going to do is declare victory. he's going to declare victory. that doesn't mean he's the winner. he just going to say is the winner. the democrats, more of our people vote early that count. their votes in the mail. so they're going to have a natural disadvantage and trump's going to take advantage of that. when you wake up wednesday morning, it's going to be a firestorm. >> bannon said that trump plan to declare victory, even if he was losing. here to discuss, danny cevallos and msnbc legal analyst. danny, let's start with the status of his trial, which is now with the jury. what's going on there? >> they're deliberating over what the government is going to say or has said it is a pretty
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sherrod case. that's why it only took a couple days for them to put in. it's essentially like, and they analogize it, to a parking ticket. you get it, you either dispute it or you pay it. you don't ignore it. the only thing i would say about the kind of argument is most jurors are regular folks who hate parking tickets. so maybe the government didn't want to get hand-in-hand with the concept of a parking ticket. >> you're such a defense attorney. you're so funny. [laughs] you're like, but maybe -- that would've turned off some jurors, and that's a really fair point actually. i should note. you think there's anything and the defense argument that could give the jury or reason to acquit him. >> they don't call any witnesses, but that's not that unusual. i do that fairly often in criminal cases because you have to hammer home that the burden is always on the government. my climate is presumed innocent, that innocence cloaks him throughout the trial and
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throughout your deliberations, until the government meets its very high burden. that's a lot of word enis. i don't know if it works. i don't know if that system is a good strategy, but it's one defense attorneys have been doing since the dawn of defense attorneys. we typically don't put on a lot of evidence, or the same amount of evidence, as the prosecution because it's not our burden. every witness, or piece of evidence we put on, could theoretically come back to bite us. >> important caveat. everything is not law in order. one of the other things that i was thinking about, as the committee play that tape we shared with the audience, last night, of steve bannon on halloween, basically saying, we're probably going to do an insurrection if donald trump loses the election, paraphrasing. do you think that could be combination, if he chooses to appeal any verdict? here >> it might. one of the things that i'm thinking about is that if this was really about, as the government says, you got a
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subpoena and you didn't respond, to the extent that government put on evidence that somehow bannon may have been responsible for the insurrection, or something like that, that might have been prejudicial. here's the thing, the appeal issues are already in the record. it's about the defense bannon didn't get to present. there were so many defenses that bannon won the percent, including the advice of his attorney, essentially, my attorney told me not to comply. that he's going to surely raise those if his counsel appeals because, as his attorney said, and i'm paraphrasing, judge, you left us going to trial with virtually nothing and the judge said, reportedly, i agree. that's pretty amazing of a response from a federal judge before you're about to go to trial. doesn't make you feel too sanguine about the defense's chances. last-minute, here if he is convicted, how much time behind bars will steve bannon face? >> there is a mandatory minimum of 30 days which is very
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unusual for a misdemeanor body should get and maybe it's that the fans cry and me talking, he should get the minimum. he doesn't really have a prior record, he was pardoned. he has no significant prior record to speak of. he should get on the low end of the guidelines, misdemeanors are such a rarity, a lot of people on the low end of guidelines for felonies can ask for zero to six months. and then you get the mandatory minimum and no more. that is really about a month. >> it's a misdemeanor defying congressional subpoena danny? about an attack on the capitol? on an off that makes it different, maybe it should write? it is not like you, know every day misdemeanor. we are out of time though, i just wanted to make that point because it was, like i feel like it's a little different than some other things. danny sebelius is always great to talk to you because analysis is what lawyers do. there is not always a good answer. thank you, again please stay safe. coming up, the u.s. is facing a
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leading to rising cases and more than 40 states. well, there is now another variant. i like to introduce you to, be a two point 75 variant. it was first at the accident and the about has already been found and 14 other countries including here in the u.s. or cases have been reported in seven states and because this variant has even more mutations and some of the predecessors, if there is concern that it could fuel a rise in cases over the next seven months here in the u.s.. joining me now is doctor and below, an epidemiologist at the ucla building school of public health. pandemic is not over dr. moines. i want everybody to first wrap the head around be a five when as they are struggling to do that, i think in this moment, help us understand ba.275. why do we need to know about
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that variant? >> certainly zerlina you are right, the pandemic is not over, we will see new variants emerge and of course this virus has a lot of runway. and a lot of honorable people to go through. because this virus, the ba.5 and the ba.275. all of these properties of 1 million of asian. meaning that if you have had covid before or if you are vaccinated, you might not be able to fend off infection. so you know i think that the key here is we will continue to see new variants. it is all yet to be determined -- we are seeing ba.5 is the current variant that is circulating most prominently here in the united states. ba.275 it's circulating in india, outcompeting ba.5. it is all yet to be determined, what it means. . >> it's pretty scary though
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because variance as you said, they are going to continue. but what role do we play in the perpetuation of all of these variants? can we do something to stop the continuation of this trend that we are seeing? where there is a new variant, every few months? >> absolutely, we know that there are things we can do like getting vaccinated. -- now it is no guarantee. of course, avoiding contact with people that are outside of your household. where you don't know if they are infected or not, or what their exposures have been. i was a good idea to take those activities outdoors if you can. wear a mask in indoor crowded settings. then we talked about this before, this is something that actually does make a difference. i think being aware of your surroundings, making decisions about what, what it is that you
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are willing to go and do. knowing that you are seeing virus transmissions. and taking the precautions that you can. masking vaccinations, outdoor activities now, where possible. those things will all reduce the spread. nothing new, this is not a new discussion that we are having. the same things that have heard before that will work again. >> important to keep in, mind i want to turn and turn of monkeypox. another virus had the spreading around the world. and earlier in the right dozen cases on the u.s., now there's more than 2000. you are somebody who is an expert, specifically and monkeypox. what do the people at home need to know about monkeypox? >> well lucky pollock is spreading as we were seeing and then the way that we never saw it spread before. i've been working on for this virus for two jackets and during this time monkeypox has really been predominantly in low resource settings like in the democratic republic of
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congo. and villages where people are hunting for sustenance. now we are starting to see its but totally different way. we don't really know the number of cases with the true number of cases that are out there really are because there is not enough testing available right now. access to testing is difficult. also clinicians are not always thinking about monkeypox when they see a rush. there's probably a significant amount of under diagnosis as well. i think the key here is that we do very rapidly need to be able to get testing out. we have great situational awareness. physicians really do need to expand their minds in terms of if you see a rash, there is exposures on might be relevant. you should really sample that and send it forward. we also have to remember it's a virus that has been spreading for a long times and places like the i see where i work and other places in africa. if you're going to get in front
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of it, we will have to be able to deal with it at the source which is of course something that we have never been good at doing. at the sourc>> tsai. doctor anne rimoin, thank you for being here and helping us understand this. i would say, the takeaway is put your best back on. [laughs] police say safe, have a great weekend. coming up, the house passes a bill to -- contraception. and it comes as no surprise at all that every single republican voted against the measure. we'll discuss more when we're back. measure. we'll discus and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and particularly kind...
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♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ everyone should have the freedom to make decisions about their bodies, their lives in their futures. that includes the right to choose which fda approved method of contraception is best for them. >> birth control is health care, plain and simple. it is critical to women's health and women's equality. >> and this month, we've heard many on the other side spread frightening disinformation, like democrats want abortion on demand. no, democrats want freedom and choice for women to make their own reproductive decisions. >> it's 2022, and on thursday, eight house republicans joined all of the democrats in support of the right to contraception act. the bill would enshrine a person's ability to access and use contraception, and according to the latest numbers from the cdc, that's something 65% of women, ages 15 to 49,
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currently do. pretty much everybody else -- despite that, it's one of the many rights that activists fear could be at risk, following the decision to strike down roe versus wade. joining me to discuss, tennessee -- liz plank award-winning author in journalist. -- 195 republicans don't think birth control pills and contraception or important in the year of our lord, 2022. what does that say about where they are in this particular moment? how extreme is that position? >> it's an extreme position and it's also most importantly an inconsistent position. if you are, truly, against abortion, and you are voting against contraceptives and the right and the access to contraceptives, that's like being against forest fires, and voting against firefighters. that's like defunding the fire
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fighters, when what you think is happening is virus across the country. it's inconsistent and i think it's actually offering a very interesting path for democrats to prove that they're actually the ones trying to prevent abortion, even for the people, a minority of americans, who are still staunchly antiabortion. it may even agree with roe being overturned. who is actually trying to prevent abortion? the most effective way of really doing that, of not just cost-effective, but effective, period, of making sure that there's less unplanned pregnancies, and listening for abortion, as contraceptives. so, democrats can walk away coming into the midterms with that message. >> it's so strange to see them go after birth control and, sort of, conflate abortion with contraceptives and say, it's all the same thing, when it is not. scientifically. also, speak to the idea that they've been off more than they can chew, in terms of the
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consequences. you've seen, after the dobbs decision, so many of the horrible anecdotes and stories that we're seeing -- people who died of miscarriages, a ten-year-old had to travel to seek out an abortion after a sexual assault. in this particular context, birth control is used for more than preventing pregnancies -- and heavy bleeding, heavy periods. people -- another periods are so bad, they pass out. but for their oral contraception. speak to the idea that the republican party doesn't understand the full scope and consequence of their policy position here. >> they don't understand the full scope of their policy positions. i don't think we understand contraceptives, right? i don't think they understand, to your point, you listed ten other reasons why women need contraceptives, that have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. there's also so many economic ramifications to what they're doing. the connection between contraceptives and female empowerment in women's rights,
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and women's ability to participate in a labor force, there's almost nothing that had such a big impact on women. what we saw after the 1970s was an increase of 20% of women being able to participate in labor force. abortion rights also had a huge impact, for black women, being able to attend and actually graduate from college. we see direct lines here. it's not just going to affect women who want to prevent pregnancies, need contraceptives needed -- their health. it's also going to negatively impact our economy, which, hopefully, means that corporations finally can with their flag around this, right? the contraceptives, abortion, it's all reproductive rights. it's all human rights. it's all the right to privacy and it's all connected to our economy. >> it's all about, i get to decide, what happens to my body. and with that ability to decide what happens to my body, i can then self determine my life.
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liz plank, so much for joining tonight. please stay safe, have a great weekend. that does it for me. i'm zerlina. you can find me monday to friday, streaming on peacock through the msnbc hub. be sure to follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok and youtube. more news is coming up right here on msnbc. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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