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tweet at 2:24, for mr. williamson got up to see mr. meadows and you got up to see kayleigh mcenany. why did you both to you that? >> so, ben and i were watching the coverage unfold from one of the offices in the west wing, and we both recognized that the situation was escalating and was escalating quickly, and the president needed to be out there eve mediately to tell these people to go home and condemn the violence that we were seeing. so, i told him that i was going to make that recommendation to kayleigh, and he said that he was gonna make the same recommendation to the chief of staff, mark meadows. >> thank you, and one if colleagues in the press said that he also want to see miss mckinney at that time. let's hear what he had to say about this critical period of time right as rioters were getting into the capital. >> and what did you think he was [inaudible] >> it appears that individuals are storming the u.s. capitol building. they also appeared to be
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supporters of donald trump who may have been and attendance at the rally. we are going to need to say something. >> and you have a clue as to why [inaudible] the white house? >> if i recall, i told kayleigh that i think we needed to encourage individuals to stop, to respect law enforcement, and to go home. >> although president trump was aware of the ongoing riots, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness. instead, a 203, he called rudy giuliani again and that call lasted for over eight minutes.
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moments later, at 2:13, rioters broke into the capital itself. one of the proud boys charged with seditious conspiracy, dominick pezzola, though used officers shields to smash the window and rioters flooded into the building. [noise] as rioters were entering the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes as they worked to create a safe path to a secure location. now, listen to some of that radio traffic and see what they were seeing as the protesters
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got just feet away from where the vice president was holding. >> hold, they've entered the building. hold. >> harden that door. >> if we're moving, we need to move. now >> copy. >> if we lose any more time, we may have -- we may lose the ability to leave. so if we're going to leave, we're gonna have to do it now. >> we've gained access to the second floor and i got public about five feet from down here below. >> okay, copy. they are on the second floor. moving in. now you may want to consider getting out and leaving now. copy? >> we will encounter the people
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once we meet our way -- >> repeat? >> we'll be encounter any individuals if we make our way to -- the >> there's six officers between us and the people that are 5 to 10 feet away from me. >> i am going down to evaluate. go ahead. >> we have a clear shot if we move quickly. >> we have smoke downstairs. standby. unknown smoke, downstairs. by the protesters? >> is that route compromised? >> we have the -- it's secure. however, we will bypass some protesters that are being contained. there is smoke. >> the presidents national security council staff was the sending to these developments and tracking them in realtime. on the screen, you can see excerpts from the chat logs among the national -- among the presidents national council -- national security council staff. at 2:13, the staff learned that the rioters were kicking in the windows at the capitol. three minutes later, the staff
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said the vice president was being pulled. which meant agents evacuated him from the senate floor. at 2:24, the staff noted that the secret service agents at the capitol did not, quote, sound good right now. earlier, you heard from a security professional who had been working in the white house complex on january 6th, with access to relevant information and a responsibility to report to national security officials. we asked this person, what was meant by the comment that the secret service agents did not, quote, sound good right now? in the following clip of that testimony, which has been modified to protect the individual identity, the professional discusses what they heard from listening to the incoming radio traffic that day. >> okay, that last entry on
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this page is, we and you to the capitol does not sound good right now. >> correct. >> what does that mean? >> the members of the vp detail at this time are starting to fear for their own lives. there were a lot of -- there was a lot of yelling. a lot of very personal calls on the radio. i don't like talking about it. but there were calls to say goodbye to family members, so on and so forth. it was getting -- for whatever the reason why was on the grout, the vp detail thought it was about to get very ugly. >> and did you hear that over the radio? >> that is correct. >> what was the response by the agents of the secret service agents were there? >> everybody kept saying, you know, at that point it was reassurances -- i think there were discussions of reinforcements coming -- again, it was just chaos, a lot of yellow. >> obviously, you've conveyed -- for as it states there. >> if they're running out of options, and are getting
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nervous, it sounds like that, we came very close to either service having to use legal options or worse. at that point, i don't know. is the vp compromised, did the detail, like, i don't. no like, we didn't have visibility, if they're screaming and saying things like all your family, the floor needs to know that this is going to [inaudible] soon. >> as this next video shows, the rioters anger was focused primarily on vice president mike pence. >> this woman came up to the side of us and she says, pence folded. so, it was kind of, like, okay. in my mind, i was thinking,
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well, that is it. while my son in looks at me and he says i want to go in. >> what percentage of the crowd is going to the capitol? >> 100%. it has spread like wildfire that pence has betrayed us. and everybody is marching on the capitol. all million of us. it is insane. >> mike pence will not stick up for donald trump! mike pence, trader! traiter! >> mike pence has screwed us. in case you haven't heard it yet. >> what happened? what's happened? >> i keep hearing that mike pence screwed us. that's the word. i keep hearing reports on mike pence has screwed us. >> did people appear angry as you were walking to the capitol? >> yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people seem like they were very upset. >> tell us some of the things that we're saying if you recall. >> oh, there were saying all
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types -- people were screaming all types of stuff. they're mad that vice president pence was going to accept the electorals. i mean, it was -- if you could think it out you are hearing it. >> i believe that the president -- vice president pence was going to certify the electoral votes -- or not certify them. i guess that has just changed, correct? and it's a big disappointment. i think there's several hundred thousand people here that are very disappointed. >> president trump did not try to calm his thousands of disappointed supporters. instead, it almost the same moment, violence was getting completely out of hand. donald trump sent his to 24 tweet. the president said, mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution. despite knowing the capital had been breached and the mob was
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in the building, president trump called mike pence a coward, and placed all the blame on him for not stopping the certification. he put a target on his own vice presidents back. mr. pottinger and miss matthews, when we ask you about your reaction to seeing the 2:24 tweet in realtime, you both use the same imagery to describe it. president trump was adding fuel to the fire. mr. pottinger, you made the decision to resign after seeing this tweet. can you please tell us why? >> yes. that was pretty soon after -- shortly before i had gotten back to the white house. i had come from off-site. i began to see for the first time those images on tv of the chaos that was unfolding at the capitol. one of my aides handed me a sheet of paper that contained a tweet that you just read.
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i read it and was quite disturbed by it. i was disturbed and worried to see that the president was attacking vice president pence for doing his constitutional duty. so the tweet looked to me like the opposite of what we really need it at that moment, which was a de-escalation. that is why i had said earlier that it looked like fueled being poured on the fire. that was the moment i decided that i was going to resign. that that would be my last day at the white house. i simply did not want to be associated with the events unfolding on the capitol. >> thank you. and miss matthews, what was your reaction to the president 's tweet about vice president pence? >> it was obvious that the situation that the capital was violent and escalating quickly. and so i thought the tweet
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about the vice president was the last thing that was needed in that moment. and i remember thinking that this was going to be bad for him to tweet this because it was essentially him giving the greenlight to these people. telling them that what they were doing at the steps of the capital and entering the capitol was okay. that they were justified in their anger. and he should not have been doing that. he should've been telling those people to go home and to leave, and to condemn the violence that we were seeing. and i am someone who has worked with him i worked on the campaign traveled all the around the country, going to count this rallies with him, and i've seen the impact that his words have on his supporters. they truly latch onto every word and every tweet that he says. so, i think that in that moment for him to tweet out the message about mike pence, it was him pouring gasoline on the fire and making it much worse. >> thank you both. and let's watch but others also told us about the reactions to this tweet. >> i don't remember where
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exactly heard about that tweet, but my reaction to us is that it is a terrible tweet. and i disagreed with the sentiment. and i thought it was wrong. >> what was your reaction when you saw that tweet? >> extremely unhelpful. >> why? >> it wasn't the message that we needed at that time. it wasn't going to -- the scenes at the u.s. capitol were only getting worse at that point. this was not going to help that. >> how would it get worse? >> certainly. >> miss hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet. >> as a staffer that works to always represent the administration to the best of my ability and to showcase the
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good things that he had done for the country, i remember feeling frustrated disappointed, and really -- it felt personal. i was really sad. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic. it was un-american. we are watching the capital bore building get defaced over a lie. >> as you will see at 2:26, the vice president had to be evacuated into safety a second time, and came within 40 feet of the rioters. the attack escalated quickly right after the tweet.
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[noise] during this chaos, what did president trump do at that point? he went back to calling senators to further delay the electoral count. while the vice president was being evacuated from the senate, president trump called senator tommy tuberville, one of his strongest supporters in the senate, as senator tuberville later recalled, he had to end the call so he could evacuate the senate chamber himself. let's listen. >> he didn't call my phone, he called somebody else, and they handed it to me and i basically told him, mister president, we
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are not doing much work right now because they took the vice president out. and, as a matter, fact i'm about to hang up on you. i have to leave. >> senator josh hawley also had to flee. early that afternoon, before the joint session started, he walked across the east front of the capitol. as you can see in this photo, he raised his fist in solidarity with the protesters. already amassing at the security gates. we spoke with a capitol police officer who was out there at the time. she told us that senator hawley's gesture riled up the crowd. and it bothered her greatly because he was doing it in a safe space, protected by the officers, and the barriers. later that day, senator hawley fled after those protesters he health riled up stormed the capitol. see for yourself. think about what we have seen. undeniable violence at the capitol. the vice president being
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evacuated to safety by the secret service. senators running through the hallways of the senate to get away from the mob. as the commander-in-chief, president trump was oath and duty bound to protect the capital. his senior staff understood that. >> do you believe jarred, that the president has an obligation to ensure a peaceful transfer of power? >> yes. >> and you think the president has an obligation to defend all three branches of our government? >> i believe so. >> and i assume you also would agree the president has a particular obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed?
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>> it's one of the presidents obligations, correct. >> do you know what i mean when i asked to studious? >> there's a constitutional duty. and he's the commander-in-chief. and that was -- that was my biggest issue with him as national security adviser. >> rather than uphold his duty to the constitution, president trump allowed the mob to achieve the delay that he hoped would keep him in power. i reserve. >> i now recognize the gentleman from illinois. >> we left up the recess just after president trump's 2:24 tweet attacking the vice president. by this, time the president had been in his dining room for an hour. i want you to just think of what you would've done if you were in his shoes and have the power to end the violence, you would immediately and forcefully told the rioters to
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stop and leave. stop, and leave. done. as you heard, that's exactly what his senior staff had been urging him to do. but he resisted and he kept resisting for another almost two hours. in the meantime, all the president did was supposed to tweets. one at 2:38, and the other at 3:13. one said, quote, stay peaceful. the other said, quote, remain peaceful. but the president already knew that the mob was attacking the police. and hadn't bag at the capitol. neither tweet can deemed the violence or told the mob to leave the capital and disperse. to appreciate how obvious it was that president trump was not meeting this moment, it's helpful to look at the realtime reactions of his own son, don jr., to the first tweet, captured in a series of text messages with mark meadows.
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i will warn the audience that these messages contain some strong language. as you can see, don jr.'s -- don jr. first texted mr. meadows at 2:53. he wrote, he's got to condemn this asap. the capital police tweet is not enough. mr. meadows replied, i am pushing it hard! i agree. don jr. responded, this is one you go to the mattresses on. they will try to focus entire legacy is -- on this, if it gets worse. here's what don junior said by go to the mattresses -- >> it was 2:58 when you said, mr. matt meadows has to go to mattresses on this issue. when you think it's mattresses, what do you mean? >> just a reference for going all in. it's a godfather reference. >> shawn how many agreed and he
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also turned to mark meadows for hill after the president's second tweet. as you can see, mr. hannity a tweet texted at 3:31 to say trump needed to deliver a statement to the nation, telling the rioters to leave the capitol. mr. meadows responded that he was, quote on it. don jr. and sean hannity were not the only ones to get mr. meadows to speak to the president to speak to the nation and tell the rioters to go home. go home! mr. meadows received text from republican members of congress, from current trump officials, from media personalities, and friends. like president trump's staff, they knew president trump had to speak publicly to get the mob to stop. that's a look at just a few of these text messages. fox news personality laura
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ingraham set, the president needs to tell the people in the capital to go home. former chief of staff, mick mulvaney, urged, mark, he needs to stop this, now. fox news personality, brian kill me, said, please get him on tv, destroying everything that you guys have accomplished. when we interview house of staff pat cipollone, he knew the president's two tweets were not enough. let's listen to what he said. >> did you believe the tweets were about and your advice to the president? >> no, i believe knew more needed to be done. i believed that a public statement needed to be made. >> when you talk about others on the staff thinking more should be done, or thinking that the president needed to tell people to go home, who would you put in that category? >> well, i would put pat
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philbin, eric herschmann, mark meadows, ivanka, once jarred got there, jarred, general kellogg. and probably missing some, but those are, kayleigh i think was there but i don't -- then scavino. >> and who on the staff did not want people to leave the capitol? >> on the staff? >> in the white house, how about. >> i don't -- i can't think of anybody liu, no, on that day who didn't want people to get out of the law capital once the violence started. no. i mean,, -- >> what about the president? >> she said the staff. so i answered. >> no, i said in the white
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house. >> oh, i am sorry. i apologize. i thought you said, who else on the staff. i don't -- i can't reveal communications. but obviously, i think, you know -- yeah. >> let's pause on that last statement. although pat cipollone has been
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the president's tweets were, let's examine his 2:30 tweet in more detail. for context here is what was happening at that time. >> [noise] >> they broke the glass. >> everybody stay down! >> there are people flooding the hallway. >> we were just told that there has been tear gas in the rotunda and we were told that each of us to get gas masks. >> we went from a peaceful
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protest and this is a very dangerous situation right now. there are i am being told, these protesters are on the inside are around both chambers and there is now tear gas inside the capitol rotunda. in fact, members locked inside the house are being instructed to put on masks. >> miss matthews, after president trump's tweet about vice president pence, you told us he spoke immediately to kayleigh mcenany. what did you tell learn where did she go afterwards? >> after the tweet about the vice president, i found kayleigh and i told her that i thought the president needed to immediately send out a tweet that condemned the violence that we were seeing, and that there needed to be a call to action to tell these people to leave the capital. she agreed and walked over to the oval dining room to find the president. >> we interviewed miss mcenany and others who are in the dining room with the president urging him to put out a statement. miss matthews, miss mcenany told us she came right back to
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the press office after meeting with the president about this particular tweet. what did she tell you about what happened in that dining room? >> when she got back, she told me that a tweet had been sent out and i told her that i thought the tweet did not go far enough, that i thought there needed to be a call to action and he needed to condemn the violence. we were in a room full of people but people weren't paying attention, so she looked directly and in a hush town shared with me that the president did not want to include any mention of peace in that tweet. and that it took some convincing on their part those were that were in the room and she said there was a back going over different phrases to find something that he was comfortable with, and it wasn't until ivanka trump suggested the phrase stay peaceful that
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he finally agreed to include it. >> the president resisted writing state peaceful in a tweet? he told mark meadows that the rioters were doing what they should be doing and the rioters understood that they were doing what president trump wanted them to do. president trump's message was heard clearly by stop the steal organizer ali alexander. at 2:38, he told another organizer quote, potus is not ignorant of what his words would do. rioters storming the capitol also heard president trump's message. in this video, you will see surveillance footage from the rotunda the shows a group of oath keepers including jessica watkins who's being charged with seditious conspiracy. you will hear her walkie talkie communications with others as they share intelligence and communicate about president trump's 2:38 tweet in realtime. again, we warned the audience that this clip also contains strong language. >> [noise] cnn just said that they evacuated all members of congress into a safety room.
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>> there is no safe place in the united states for any of these motherfuckers, let me tell you right now. >> i hope they understand that we are not joking around. >> military principal 105, military principal 105. cave means grave. >> trump just tweeted, please support our capitol police, they are on our side. do not harm them. >> that's saying a lot, but what he didn't say. he didn't say not to do anything to the congressman. [laughs] >> he did not ask them to stand down. he just said stand by the capitol police, they are on our side, they are good people. it's getting real down there. i've got it on tv and it's looking pretty frigate and radical to me. cnn said the trump has egged this on, that he is egging it on and that he is watching the country burn two weeks before he leaves the office.
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he is not leaving office, i don't give a shit what they say. >> we are in the main building, they're frequently shooting people. >> be safe, be safe god bless, godspeed and keep going. >> give it jess, give it shit, this is what we effing lived for. everything that we trained for. >> we overran the capital, overran the effing capital. >> we have now seen how president trump's supporters reacted to his tweets. mr. pottinger, you told us that you consider the tweets sent at this point holding out a quick given the urgency of the crisis. what in your view would've been needed? >> yeah -- it was insufficient. i think you could count me among those who was hoping to see and unequivocal strong
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statement, clearing out the capital, telling people to stand down, leave and go home. i think that's what we were hoping for. >> sounded something that sounded more definitive and not ambiguous. because he had the power overs folks. mr. -- he told us that a colleague during attack said he should not contend the violence. can you tell us about that moment your reaction? >> yes so a conversation started in the press offices after the president said that those two tweets that i deemed were insufficient and a colleague suggested that the president shouldn't condemn the violence because they thought it would be quote handing a win to the media if you were to condemn his supporters.
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i disagreed. i thought that we should condemn the violence and condemn it unequivocal and i thought he needed to include a call to action and to tell these people to go home. a debate ensued over it and i became visibly frustrated and my colleagues were well aware of that, and i couldn't believe that we were arguing over this in the middle of the west wing talking about the politics of a tweet, being concerned with handing the media a win when we had just watched all of that violence unfold at the capitol. i motioned up at the tv and i said, do you think it needs we are effing winning because i don't think it does. and i again reiterated that i thought the president needed to condemn the violence because it didn't matter if it was coming from the left or the right, that you should condemn violence 100 percent of the time. >> we've heard this evening how everyone in the presidents orbit was pushing him to do more to tell the mob to leave the capitol. one of those people was republican leader kevin mccarthy.
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he managed to get the president on the phone and told him to call off a supporters. as you will hear, the president refused and so leader mccarthy reached out for help to ivanka trump who was at the white house and jared kushner who that afternoon had just arrived back on a flight from the middle east. >> so sometime in the afternoon mr. mccarthy placed a phone call to mr. scavino and it was transferred to the president. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> were you involved in making -- in transferring a call? >> yes. >> okay. where was the president at the time he took that call? >> he was in the dining room. >> would you personally reach out to the president for more support? >> i had already talked to the president. i called him. i think we need to make a statement, make sure that we can calm those individuals down.
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>> did mr. mccarthy indicated he was in touch with president trump? >> she indicated that he had at side had some conversation, i don't recall -- but i think that he expressed frustration that not taking the situation and the circumstances seriously. >> i asked kevin mccarthy about this, and she said he called, finally got through to donald trump, and he said you've got to get on tv -- you've got to get on twitter -- you've got to call these people off. you know what the president said to him? he said well kevin, these are my people and. covenant we spotted, they are your people they literally just came through my office window, and my staff are running for cover, they are running for their lives. you need to call them off. and the president response to kevin was chilling. he said well kevin, i guess
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they're just more upset about the election results then you are. and you've seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president basically having a swearing conversation. that's when it began, because the president was basically saying, i am okay with this. >> leader mccarthy, the president of the united states has a briefing room steps from the oval office. the cameras are hot 24/7 as you know. why hasn't he walked down and said that now? >> i conveyed to the president when i think is best to do and i'm hopeful the president will do it. >> and of these spoken with his chief of staff? >> i've spoken to the president, i've spoken to other people at the white house as well. >> who else reached out to mr. trump the you know of that afternoon about the attack on the capitol? >> i believe at one point mccarthy did. >> i heard my phone ringing, turn the shower off, saw it was leader mccarthy who had a good relationship with.
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he told me it was getting really ugly it over at the capitol and said please, anything you can do to help i would appreciate it. i don't recall specific requests, just anything you could do. again i got the sense that they were scared. >> they meaning leader mccarthy and people on the hill because of the? violence >> he was scared yes. >> think about that, leader mccarthy who was one of the presidents strongest supporters was scared and begging for help. president trump turned him down. so we tried to call the presidents children. republican house member mike gallagher also implored the president to call off the attack. >> mister president, you have got to stop this. you are the only person who can call this off. call it off. the election is over. call it off.
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>> president elect joe biden also went live on tv to demand that president trump told the mob to leave. >> i call on president trump to go on national television now to fulfill his oath and defend the constitution and demand an end to this siege. >> there was a desperate scramble from everyone to get president trump to do anything. all this occurred and the president still did not act. i yield to my friend from virginia. >> thank you mr. kinzinger. president trump finally relented to the police from his staff, his family and from capitol hill for him to do something more at 4:17, 187 minutes, more than three hours after he stopped speaking at the ellipse.
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after he stopped speaking to a mob that he had sent armed to the capitol. that's when he tweeted a video telling the rioters to go home, while also telling them that they were special and that he loved them. by that time although, the violence was far from over. law enforcement has started to turn the tide. reinforcements were on the way and elected officials were in secure locations. the writing was already on the wall. the rioters would not succeed. here's what was showing on fox news, the channel the president was watching all afternoon. >> doctor brett there with more information. how brett would he have?
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>> our pentagon team confirming the defense department has now mobilized the entire d. c. national guard, 1800 troops, take several hours to to get them up and running. the army secretary ron mccarthy setting up a headquarters at the fbi. just heard from david -- that the fbi was sending troops to the capital. >> it's no coincidence than that president trump finally gave in and went out to the rose garden at 403. his staff had prepared a script for him to read but he refused to use it. as you can see on the screen, you can see the script a stab president has seen. the script that i'm asking to leave the capitol hill region right now and go home in a peaceful way. the president was urged to stick to the script but he spoke off the cuff. jared kushner and nick luna filmed the message in the rose garden. let's hear what they had to say and see the never before seen the raw footage of the president recording this video
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message. >> ultimately these are marks that we are looking at exhibit 25 these remarks were not the one city delivered in the rose garden. do you know why the president decided not to use? these >> i don't know sir, i do not know why. >> did the president use any written remarks as you know or did he just go off the cuff? >> to my knowledge it, was off the cuff sir. >> when you're ready sir. [noise] >> tell me why. >> when you're ready sir. [noise] >> who's behind me? >> we're all clear now. >> i know your pain, i know you're hurt. we had an election -- i know your pain i know you're
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hurt, we had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order. we don't want anyone hurt. it's a very tough period of time. there's never been a time like this where such a thing happened, where they could take it away from all of us. from me, from you, from our country. this was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace, so go home, we love you, you're very special, you've seen what happens, you've seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel, but go
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home and go home in peace. >> when i got there basically the president had just finished phone filming the video. i think he was basically retiring for the day. >> was arrange a discussion about the president releasing a second video that day? >> not that i recall. >> when you finish this video i think everyone was like days over and people were pretty drained. >> were pretty what? >> drained. >> when you say day over, there were still people at the capitol at that point, weren't there? >> there were people in the capital. but i believe by the stage, law enforcement i have to go back, but i believe full-on forsman was either there or moving in, or saying -- or charged. i think people were just emotionally drained by the time that videotape was done.
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>> emotionally drained? at the white house? here is what's happening at the same time at the capitol. we will warn the audience that this clip also contains strong language and violence. >> keep pushing. don't lose the momentum. >> we've got another officer unconscious. at the terrace, west terrace. >> everybody, we need gas masks. we need strong, angry patriots [inaudible] who have to lead. >> while president trump
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refused to lift another finger to help, other leaders acted on their oaths and resumed the joint session. for instance, here are never seen photos and videos of a portion of a call that they had at approximately 4:45 of acting secretary of defense, chris miller. >> we will not allow these people to keep us from finishing our business. we need you to get the building cleared, give us the okay so we can go back in session and finish up the peoples business as soon as possible. >> amen, sir. >> mister secretary, its secretary shimmer. some people here in the capital police believe it would take us several days to secure the building. do you agree with that analysis? >> i'm not on the ground, but i do not agree with that analysis. >> so what is the earliest that we could risk safely resume our proceedings in the senate and
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house chambers? the earliest we could safely resume? >> i -- here is my assessment, i prefer to be on the ground which i personally would prefer to be right now i need to know -- in this case, we're looking at 4 to 5 hours. >> the vice president also worked the phones from his own secure location, including conversations with acting secretary of defense mueller, and other military leaders, while past trump's 4:17 video, let's look at some never before seen footage of the vice president. and his conversation with military leaders to secure the capital and ensure everyone was safe. >> vice president pence, there were two or three calls with
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vice president pence. he was very animated, and he issued very explicit, very direct, unambiguous orders. there was no question about that. and i can get you the exact quotes, i guess, from some of our record somewhere. he was very am and made it, very direct, very firm. to secretary miller. get the military down here, get the guard down, here put down the situation, et cetera. >> as you heard earlier in the hearing, the president did not call the vice president or anybody in the military, federal law enforcement, or d. c. government. not a single person. the general milley did hear from mark meadows. the contrast between that call and his calls with vice president pence tell you everything you need to know about president trump's dereliction of duty. let us listen. >> he said, this is from memory, he said, we have to kill the narrative that the vice president is making all the decisions. we need to establish the
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narrative that, you know, that the president is still in charge and that things are steady or stable, or words to that effect. i interpreted that as politics, politics, politics, red flag for me personally, no action. but i remember distinctly, and -- yes i don't do political narratives. >> so while president trump and his advisers were drained, other leaders upheld their oaths to do the right thing. maybe it was exhausting to get the president to put out that video, but think about the law enforcement officers who were attacked by the mob that day. and president trump had summoned thumb himself to washington. and what about president trump? he watched tv, tweeted, called
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senators to try to delay the count of electoral votes, called rudy giuliani, and argued with his staff who were insinuating -- who were insisting that he should call off the attack. miss matthews, what was your reaction to president trump's message to the mob at 4:17? >> i was struck by the fact that he chose to begin the video by pushing the lie that there was a stolen election. and as the video went on i felt a small sense of relief because he finally told these people to go home. but that was immediately followed up by him saying, we love you, you are very special. and that was disturbing to me. because he did not distinguish between those that peacefully attended his speech earlier that day and those that we watched cause violence at the capitol. instead, he told the people, whom we had just watched, storm our nation's capital with the intent on overthrowing our
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democracy, violently attacked police officers, and chant heinous things like, hang mike pence, we love you, we are very special. as a spokesperson for, him i knew i would be asked to defend that. and to me, his refusal to act and to call off the mob that day, and his refusal to condemn the violence was indefensible. so, i knew that i would be resigning that evening. and so, i finished out the work day, went home and called my loved ones of my decision, and handed in my resignation that evening. >> indefensible. that's here but some of your colleagues told us about their reaction to the 4:17 message. >> i felt like it was the absolute bare minimum of what could've been said at that point. for something on camera. >> what do you think should have been said? >> so --
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a more forceful -- a more forceful dismissal of the violence. a more forceful command to go home. a more forceful respect for a law enforcement. even a comparison to the respect that we had given law enforcement as it relates to what was done to them in the prior summer. and i thought it was important that an acknowledgment be given to the u.s. capital building itself. what it is a symbol of, what it means. not only to the people that work there, but to the american people generally. and the work of congress that, by law, needed to be conducted that day. >> do you wish, in hindsight,
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but the president had asked the protesters to leave the capital earlier than when he had asked them to do that? >> of course, i would've loved if the go home message would've happened earlier in the day. >> the presidents words matter. we know that many of the rioters were listening to president trump. we heard from one last week, stephen airs. let's listen to what he had to say about the 4:17 message from the president, and see how react -- rioters reacted to the presidents message in realtime. >> while we were there, as soon as that came out, everybody started talking about it. and it seemed like it started to disperse some of the crowd. >> i'm here delivering the presidents message, he has asked everyone to go home. >> that's our order. >> he says, go home. >> yeah, here. he said to go home. >> but justice minister air
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get congress back in the session, what did president trump do? at 6:01, just one minute after the citywide curfew went into effect, he posted his last tweet of the day. after officers engaged in multiple hours of hand to hand combat and over 100 of them sustaining injuries, president tweet president trump tweeted at 6:01 and justified the violence as a natural response to the election.

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