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she was very strong in her conviction and always said that. she always said to us, i don't know about brett, but i know i will be in heaven. i feel like she is around, i feel her presence. i can hear her. she still there, i still fear her with me. i truly about her a lot. >> that is all for this and petition of "dateline", i'm craig melvin, thank you for watching. craig melvin, thank you fo watching hey, everyone. 187 minutes, that is how long it took former president trump to call off the mob that he sent to the capital. we're going to sort through the biggest moments from thursday night's primetime hearing. plus, could a new bipartisan effort to reform the electoral count act prevents future -- like the one that launched the january 6th insurrection. and, in new evidence -- brutal 1955 murder of emmett till. will it be to justice?
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i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. it's good to be with you. i'm ayman mohyeldin, a new york. for a year and, have you heard that vice president mike pence was in mortal danger on january six, 2021, when donald trump's mob overran the capitol in an attempt to stop pence from counting joe biden's winning electoral votes. we all saw the video of pence's evacuation on that day. it happened. it was close. but we didn't know how close, until thursday when the house january six committee played audio of secret service agents trying to protect pence as the insurrectionists closed in. >> they are on the second floor. moving in now. we may want to consider getting out and leaving now. coffee? >> will we encounter the people once we make our?
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way >> repeat. >> -- if we made our way to the -- >> there are six officers between us and the people that are five feet away. -- >> we have a clear shot if we move quickly. got smoke downstairs. standby. unknown smoke downstairs. by the protesters? >> is that the route compromised? >> -- we will bypass some protesters that are -- >> there is smoke. i don't know kind of smoke it is. >> clear, we're coming out now. >> make away. >> that is just simply chilling. also chilling, the white house knew what was going on in realtime. staffers were listening in on the secret service radio traffic, as one of them told the committee -- >> okay, the last century on
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this page is -- does not sound good right now. >> correct. >> what does? having >> the members of -- the starting to fear for their own lives. there was a lot of yelling. a lot of very personal calls over the radio. it was disturbing. i don't love talking about it. there were calls to say goodbye to family members -- on the ground, -- this is about to give very ugly. >> agents were already conveying messages to loved ones in the expectations that they might not survive that day. the white house was listening to all of that. here's the question, what was donald trump doing at this moment? there's a lot we still don't
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know about the 187 minutes between his speech -- telling his faithful followers to fight like hell and is tepid pre-recorded afternoon speech showing the rioters to go home. as the committee pointed out on thursday, text messages from two dozen secret service agents appear to have been deleted. trump's white house photographer was ordered not to take any pictures, as the president sat in the oval office dining, watching this scene unfold on fox news. -- in white house records for those three hours. >> as you can see, there's no official record president trump receiving or placing a call between 11:06 and 6:54 pm. as to what the president was doing that afternoon, the presidential daily diary is also silent. it contains no information from the period, 1:21 pm, and for 3 pm.
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>> about what we do know, as mike pence's detail was planning its escape in preparing for a potential fight on the way out, trump staffers had been pleading for their boss to deliver a message. any kind of message to the rioters. at 2:24 pm, he delivered a message. but the message was not to go home. no. it was, quote, mike pence didn't have the courage to do it should've been done to protect our country and our constitution. the usa demands the truth. when trump told a armed mob to march on the capitol, they did. after hours of begging -- five people were dead, when trump told the mob to stop in a recorded video, they stopped. in fact, the committee showed outtake from the video and from a second speech that trump recorded on january 7th. video supposed to calm the unrest, but that trump couldn't -- without a force pushing the big
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lie. >> this election is now over. congress has certified the results -- i don't want to say it's over. i just want to say congress has certified the results, without seeing the elections over, okay? >> now the -- liz cheney said that it's not just that trump didn't do anything to solve the violence, but that he orchestrated it? all in hopes of clicking on the power after losing the election. >> here's the worst part, donald trump knows that millions of americans, who supported him, would stand up and defend our nation where it threatened. it would put their lives and their freedom at stake to protect her. he is praying on their patriotism. he is praying on their sense of justice. on january 6th, donald trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our
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capitol and our constitution. >> what more do you need to hear? the committee said, there are so many new tips that is taking the next month to sift through all of them, with another hearing planned for september. there may be more revelations, but the facts we have all led to one truth. january 6th wasn't about a stolen election, it was about a singular ego that couldn't accept defeat. an ego that toys with running for the presidency, animates one of two -- major political parties to grab on to power. the danger of january 6th -- but it's well past time to talk about the consequences for the architect of that days violence. joining me now, david henderson. former prosecutor, civil rights lawyer, msnbc contributor. -- and -- and host of the hashtag woke a
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f daily podcast. it's good to have all of you with us. susan, i like to start with you. all-star broadly. i want to hear your overall reaction to thursday session. especially on the testimony that we heard from matthew pottinger and sarah matthews, to republicans who literally quit over trump's behavior, and ardent supporters of the president. there was a lot more focus on how trump used and victimizes own supporters. does any of that land outside of the cable tv bubble? >> it does. -- come forward from republicans. i'm not saying that this won't hurt donald trump, among the base, but i'm seeing, and poll numbers, that the party is ready to move on even without donald trump. only because donald trump refuses to talk about the past. -- only speaks about the past, excuse me. >> danielle, the attack on the
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capitol ended after trump tweeted out his go home video. it was a short video that took an hour to tape in the rose garden. the white house lawyer, eric herschmann, summed up the mood after that video was finished -- listen to this. >> was there any discussion about the president releasing a second video that day? >> not the chemical. when he finishes video, i think every one was like, days over. people were pretty drained. >> we're pretty wet? >> drained. >> i had to kind of scratch my head for a moment because everybody at that white house was done, they were all drained and yet, here was what was still happening down the street as they put in for the day. look. >> keep pushing. don't lose the momentum. [noise] so, here is the white
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house washing their hands, they're done for the day, calling it a day, they're all drained and yet, the capital was under attack. i know you have a reaction to all of that. >> i just think it's absolutely absurd. how is it that they can be packing up for the day after it took donald trump an hour to even say the word yesterday. and then, like, they're just done. cops are being beaten, people are being bludgeoned, the capital building is under attack and they're like, we need rest. i guess we're going home no, after donald trump threw a digital wall. it's unpatriotic, it's unbelievable and those side by side time stamps are really disturbing. >> david, we learned a whole lot more about the ordeals of the secret service yesterday. they have become a major player in this investigation. the secret services that takes about 24's agents were deleted and that's not the subject of a
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criminal inquiry by inspectors in homeland security. what do you think -- what's the importance of those texts? would could those texts tell us and how could this play out legally in the court, as this investigation moves forward. >> even, it's hard to know exactly how important they are without getting the region. that's exactly why they're lost. secret service is in the habit of losing the stuff. whenever you have critical documents that have been lost, -- to obtaining them -- based on what we've seen already, i can only assume that they add even more to -- to prove intent from president trump, based on what we heard last night. >> susan, isn't it weird when you look at the totality of questionable missing text messages -- the white house records show no calls, no activities for trump -- even though we know rudy -- he called rudy giuliani -- the white house even told his photographer not to take any
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shots of trump when the violence started. i gotta say, these cannot just simply be coincidences that you have missing texts, no white house photographer allowed to take pictures of the president. his job is to document every minute of the president while he's working. and you have the missing call logs from the white house when we know the president was making calls to officials. >> there's not enough ways to explain this. it is clear, donald trump knew exactly what was happening. i do believe this one issue i have with the narrative right now, donald trump wasn't doing nothing. just because he wasn't making phone calls, or doing -- i actually believe he was actively trying to buy time for the mob. if you think about it, he knew they were armed, he knew it they were going ending wanted to buy as much time as he could so they could destroy and,
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potentially, harm as many people as possible. he was active that day. -- i completely agree with you. >> people have been saying, he wasn't doing much -- he was doing a lot as a leader of an insurrection movement trying to overthrow the government and trying to get the vice president to overturn an election. david, my question to you with all this evidence in all these revelations, we still have not heard anything about the suspect who placed pipe bombs outside the rnc and the dnc headquarters where vice president kamala harris was. how is this still a mystery and what more could that tell us about the day january 6th, in this totality? >> a man, in light of what we've seen, it has more texture to what we know. that was violence was plans to take place during that day. we just don't know the extent of it. all of his actions that we saw, last, night let us know that -- the fact that we have gotten to
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the pipe bombs it just, demonstrate -- with respect -- there is an overarching theme here and that is this investigation is not proceeding the way criminal investigations typically do. every prosecutor in america woke up this morning and participated in prosecuting someone with less evidence that we now have -- >> wow. it's pretty powerful when you say that clearly. it's hard to imagine but you're right. i don't know, i have to ask you about josh hawley, who go to don the crowd before the insurrection with his famous raised fist. the committee on thursday showed holly running from the capital to flee the mob that he had actually supported and riled up. it became a -- because internet does with internet does best. i've gotta say, this is not -- he is not a real profile and courage from the >> missouri senator. no, but i mean, look at him. when he was protected by the very case in the very police that don't even acknowledge,
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the put their lives on the line to defend this capitol building, he was all fine to put his fist up in the air and salute to the insurrectionists. but then the moment that they crossed the barriers, he is seen fleeing and running for his life. so it is not a profile in courage, but that is through this republican body is. they are a performance act. this is a performance that they are doing. and that they are very comfortable in. you see them coming on to the house floor talking about how this is donald trump, and this addresses. feet then they go down to mar-a-lago and kiss the ring. so this is who they are. >> david, the panel also read some of the trump campaign communications director tim marshall to an eighth of his. both were the raids that trump's messaging did not acknowledge the death of capital police officer brian sicknick. here is with the murtaugh context said. >> do you know what this is? of course. if he acknowledged the dead in
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calk, he would be implicitly faulting the mob. and he won't do that because they are his people. and he would also be close to acknowledging that what's heed -- the rally got out of control. no he acknowledges something that could ultimately be called his fault. no way. >> david, how should we read that message? it is trump's inner circle assessing his state of mind. could it be interpreted as a smoking gun of sorts, since they knew the president well? >> first let us acknowledge that this shows how far low the bar sunk as far as what we expect from public officials. but then in terms of intent, it goes a long way to show intent. we've been talking about events that happened days after january six. but we now know that trump was sitting there watching things unfold on tv as people were running up to him saying, mister president, you have got to stop this. and his response is, that would be like chasing say the clouds
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back up the chimney. i asked for this! did you not hear my speech? so he gives the speech. 11 minutes later, violence breaks out, he watches it on tv, and chooses to do nothing. and we also know people were saying we'll, if he did do something that will be acknowledging exactly how he set this up. >> intent, i think, became a clearer after thurston's who are. susan, the panel is expected to have more hearings in september after they sifted through new evidence that apparently they are receiving. give me your thoughts on where all of this goes from here? where do we go both in the january six committee investigation, the department of justice. is this doing enough to stop the trumpist threat to our democracy? >> it is not going to stop the trumpist threat. right now, the only thing that i believe good that this is doing is setting the record straight. and also laying out, david can talk to this, the perfect case for merrick garland to go after. usually we see the truth after
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somebody's arrest and has been a trial. now we are seeing it before they are indicted or arrested. so it really does provide it with people to get around it. i think the september hearings will be more powerful. it's the only question i have is, do they get the electoral care bill done in the senate before or after. because it will be a key recommendation of the committee, i believe. >> we will talk about that a little bit later on in the program. susan del personna, david mooney, thank you to the three of you for starting us off this morning. coming up, mike pence didn't have the authority to toss it to travel to january six, despite all trump said. and if that fact was not clear already, congress wants to make it even more explicit. we are going to talk about that in the proposed changes to the electoral count act after a short break. electoral count act after electoral count act after shor were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck.
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>> sweden and finland joining nato. >> no information about what happened during this mass shooting. >> baby formula is on the way. >> major developments in the january six investigations. >> throughout the, day that crowd has been going. >> the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol attack completed its last schedule public hearing until september on thursday. i want to take you back to their fourth hearing, undoing 25th. that presented a scheme between don't from his loyalist refused the certification of joe biden directing the state slates of electors from seven key states. the extensive testimony revealed have trump, rudy giuliani and drawing eastman, among others, try to gather up alternate phony slates of electors that would end up having mike pence declaring trump the winner of the 2020
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election. it was quite the plot. it was potentially criminal. but here is the thing. according to legal experts, the ambiguous unelected language in the electoral count act of 1877 up in the league or for this plot to even be considered in the first place. and now, congress is trying to make sure that those issues are actually addressed. on wednesday, a bipartisan group of 16 senators introduced a legislative proposal. the electoral counts, reform, and presidential transition improvement act. together, they would reform and modernize the electoral count act in several ways. for, one right now, the law only requires one member of the house and one member of the senate to challenge any states set of electors. the new language would raise that requirement about 20% of the members of east shamer wouldn't now be needed to contest a states popularly voted electors. can the vice president really just decide to overturn election results?
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back in january, trump sent in the statement that mike pence could have. he issued a statement attacking congress for trying to put together this reform bill. saying in part, quote, unfortunately he did not exercise that power. he could have overturned the election. the vice president cannot do that. let's be clear about. that no vice president ever could have done that. congress has proposal would make this explicit. spelling out the constitution will roll of the vice president in presiding over the count is solely by the serial, or that you were she does not have any power to solely determine, except, reject, or otherwise adjudicate disputes over electors. the legislative proposals would also get rid of old language without defined terms like failed election, and lay out how congress can more definitively identify legitimate slates of electors from each state. the hearing on thursday showed three members of --
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adam kinzinger alluded to the need for these reforms. >> when we present our full findings,, we will recommend changes to laws and policies to guard against another january 6th. the reason that is imperative is that the forces donald trump ignited that day have not gone away. >> so what should we make of these proposed reforms so far? are they big steps or not enough? joining me now is perhaps the country's leading election law expert, not fully, -- of morris college of law. also the author of the 2020 book, presidential election in majority rule. the rise -- of the jeffersonian college. net, great to have you with us. thank you for making time for us. what are your thoughts on these new proposals to reform the electoral count act. did anything stand out to you as particularly important?
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>> yes, thank you. i do you think this is an important bill, it would be a vast improvement over the current law. a law from 1887 is outdated, convoluted, and has language that is hard to understand. and this would be so much better than that. it would avoid the problem you were talking about earlier. this desire on the part of a candidate to subvert the process by replacing the true vote of the people with some alternative fake vote, or bogus slate of electors or what have you. this law, this bill, adopted, would address those concerns. >> last month in an interview, with the new yorker, you said, quote, as long as we retain the constitutional provision for the electoral college, we won't be completely out of the woods. as long as we have an electoral college under our constitution, we have a lot of vulnerabilities. i would love to get your thoughts on that. to walk me through what you
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mean by that. is it not enough to reform the 1877 act and protect us from went almost happened on january 6th? what should be in this new idea or proposal of yours? >> right. well as you said, trump had this idea to have the vice president to take unilateral authority. regardless of what the people wanted with their votes. that idea really comes from the 12th amendment of the constitution, unfortunately, which does have some ambiguities in it. as you said, what's this new bill could do is have congress saying, for the purpose of commerce's world are receiving in counting the electoral votes, they are not going to let that ambiguity make a mess of things. they are going to insist that the vice president does not have that authority. so we ask, we would be safer if we had a clear quote the tutor. but the west we can do with a new constitution across additional members on this issue is to have a better
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statute, which is a congresses trying to do here. >> do you think we should abolish the electoral college and we want it to have the most direct and secure vote voting mechanism of voting process that cannot be tampered by any of these procedures? >> yes. in the book that you mentioned, i say it would be best for our country to replace the electoral college with which is called a national popular vote, we are all the citizens count equally in one nationwide of ours. but that would require a constitutional amendments. getting ready for the next presidential election we have to work with the system that we have, and the way to do that is with the law, the bipartisan senators introduced. we can do something different down the road look at whether the electoral college, but in the meantime we have to fix the problems in front of us. >> one of the things that caught my attention, as well as what you said about the january six committee's investigations and public hearings needing to
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investigate members of congress, who also violated the law, a feeling that does not get enough attention. you say in part that they need to focus on trump's attempts to pressure tenpence. but that the real danger here is self abuse by congress. if there is ever going to be a successful coup, it will be committed by congress itself. i do not think that has been drawn significant given sufficient attention. tell me more about that and why we have not paid enough attention to the fact that a coup would actually require somebody from congress to be complicit in it. >> you mentioned senator hawley and his role on january 6th. i think that, unfortunately, was critical. if he had an objective, he was the first senator who said that he was going to join with the members of the house of representatives who were trying to organize this effort. two under the electoral college victory, which had occurred back in december. if you don't have a senator, that process cannot go anywhere.
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so he gave that momentum leading up to the violence on january six a lot of energy. by saying he would sign on. it might have dissipated the p said, this is not going to go anywhere because as i said there i'm not going to let it happen. after he got on board some other senators did as well. but i just emphasizes the point that we are talking about, it is members of congress who have it in their hands to abide by the true results, or instead members of congress for partisan reasons might try to upend the results and replace the results, and others were so dangerous. yes >> we're gonna ask you really quickly about this big supreme court case coming out of north carolina. do you worry that by reforming the electoral count act, this could provide some legal cover for folks like john eastman from potential criminal prosecution? they could look at this and say, by pointing to this reform effort in say, this is evidence that their actions were technically within the law
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because we now know this case is working his way from north carolina, challenging whether state courts have a say in the electoral process that comes out of state legislators. >> here i think there is some good news. it is true that that supreme court cases pending. but whatever happens in that court case, congress has within his power to fix this or law from reaching 87 if. congress does refix, -- will be irrelevant to task of counting electoral votes properly. -- >> we've got a lot to be watching out for this fall between the midterms and impossible supreme court case that could change the landscape of this. not fully, thank you so much for joining us today. so to come, president trump only reluctantly called out the
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on that day, president trump was convinced to put out a short video. his aides hoped that it would move the country towards an orderly transition of power and this new video that we saw -- revealed a lot. trump said, rioters defiled the seat of american democracy and he said those who broke the law should pay. but what we didn't know is that it took hours of convincing for trump to actually record that video. and if -- his aides wanted him to say -- on thursday, the house committee revealed outtakes from that video. >> whenever you're ready, sir. >> >> i would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack yesterday and to those who broke the law, you will pay.
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you do not represent our movement, you do not represent our country and if you broke the law -- can say that. -- i already said you will pay. >> the demonstrators who infiltrated the capital has defied the seat of -- defiled, right? i can see a very well. okay, i'll do this. i'm gonna do this. let's go. with this election is now over. congress has certified the results. -- i don't want to say it's over. edgecomb say congress had to certify the results, without saying it's over, okay? >> let me see. go to the paragraph before. >> wow. just, wow. so the day after trump uses election lies to send an armed mob to the capitol, the day after an insurrection based on his lies, he still refused to
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senseless act of evil here. >> so we didn't finland have formally submitted letters to join nato. >> we have new information about what's happened during this mass shooting. >> baby formula is on the way. voters are voting on this big primary day. major developments of the january six investigations. >> throughout the day that crowd has been growing. >> emmett till weighs just 14 years old when he was lynched in mississippi in 1955. a white woman named caroline bryant accuse the black teenager of whistling at her. tills brutalized body was found in the river days later. a carolyn bryant and her half brother were eventually acquitted by an all white jury. but just yesterday they publicly made that yes, they
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kidnapped, because, mutilated killed and its tail. it was a case it helped to galvanize the u.s. civil rights movement, and didn't publish more from till's accusers now raised during new questions. a 2008 manuscript for i am more than a wolf was sold to many news outlets including nbc chicago. in it, don so that you try to protect till when her husband brought the team to her so that you could identify him. she writes, i didn't want him hurt. so i told roy that he has the wrong person. i look at things was take him home, please take him home. i was terrified for his safety. she also says it till at one point smiled and said yes, it was me. the fbi agent who investigated the case in 2007 says that the memoir contradicts statements that donna made to him. the agent says that donna told him that till never spoken brought to her front education. they rescued also said that don
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would not have been able to identify the person that whistled at her anyway. till's family says it is a bit more full of lies, and they have long believed that carolyn bryant dawn had something to do with tills kidnapping. nobody was arrested or charged in relation to tails death, but now we may have a clearer picture as to why. in -- they found and unserved arrest warrant for her but. although they weren't was publicized at the time, they investigator said, we are not going to bother the woman she has two small kids to take care of. a newly discovered warrant surveyed in charge of the last week the mississippi attorney generals office said that there was, quote, no new evidence to reopen the case. nbc chicago tried to contact donham for a comment but could not reach. are among those who found that warrant was keith bushel, a filmmaker who made a documentary about tail, and
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remains close to his family. keith bucshon joins me now. his latest project is a biographical project called till. it is set for release in october. thank you so much for your time, keith. bring us up to speed on where things stand today in the pursuit of justice for emmett till. does the family have any hope that authorities in this country will pursue this warrant against caroline brian donham? >> i have to say yes. we are all hoping that carolyn bryant donham can be held accountable for her actions. -- the decision from the da at this point, because apparently they realized it is against -- to make the right decision to move this case forward. >> tell us about when you get a considerate warrant. a lot of people must have been shocked that this still existed, that you found it. how did it feel when you came across it? were you looking for it
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specifically, which they mean to you in the family? >> i would have to say this was a months long fights to see if we can actually search for the storehouse, and come up with anything that talks about emmett till case. we were not just looking for a warrant, though that was one of the main things. we really understood that the courthouse was never thoroughly searched. especially during the 2000 42,007 investigation which i was a part of. and so, the family members raised questions about this unserved warrant, and is it possible this warrant could still exist. we searched the courthouse, and -- as well as stocks still who is a store clerk. he allowed us to come in and do
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this search on our own. of course, within an hour and a half of searching, we actually found this, not only the arrest warrant. the arrest warrant is a big thing. but the greatest thing that was found in attached to this arrest warrant is the affidavit which showed probable cause, that they had in 1955 to issue this warrant. not only carolyn bryant's has been inter half brother, but also carolyn bryant donham herself. >> absolutely incredible. something else, keith, stood out to me that donham's unpublished memoir actually says. she says, i always felt like a victim as well as i, might he paid dearly with the loss of his life. i paid dearly with an altered life. but that is the thing, here. her life may have been altered but she still has her life. she is 80 years old i've living
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in, i believe, north carolina. till is dead, and no one has been held accountable for his murder. what do those letters say to you? just the audacity to say that? >> it is a hard pill to swallow, to hear carolyn bryant's testimony in her so-called memoir. we have long known that carolyn bryant donham was culpable in the kidnapping and murder of emmett till. always trying to understand when she was never brought forward to justice and held accountable for her actions. so now we see with not only this arrest warrant, which had probable cause to pick back up in 1955, to have her arrested. unfortunately they now -- we are hearing the words from carolyn bryant donham herself.
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we can also say it is frustrating. because when did society start believing murderers? when it comes especially the story of emmett till we all know that he suffered a grave injustice. and it is fairly important now that we were able to bring those who were involved in the kidnapping and murder, no matter how old they, are to justice, so justice can prevail in this case. >> emmett till was 14 years, old window turned 80 just weeks. keith bucshon, you do the documentary in 2005. you have a biopic coming out later this year. a very important story. we hope that everybody in this country watches a. he's, bucshon thank you for your time in the incredible work that you on your team did on this very important story. coming up, if josh hawley felt solidarity with the mob, then why was he running from them? we'll try to figure that one out, after the break. igure that one out, after the break out, after the break
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other moment from thursday night's hearing that stood out. it featured the junior senator from missouri and full populist, josh hawley. you'll remember he made this raised fist gesture to approach up supporters -- into the capitol that day, just before he would play his part on january 6th by objecting to
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the certification of joe biden's election victory. that image taken less than an hour before the violent mobs descended upon the capitol. you'd think that senator hawley would express some shame, or some regret about this moment. but he did not. in fact, he's been fundraising off of it, selling mugs like these for 20 bucks. to the point that political, which owns the rights to that photo, sent him a cease and desist letter. the january six committee on thursday gave us a little more background on that moment and what came after. >> we spoke with the capitol police officer who was out there at the time, she told us that senator hawley's gesture riled up the crowd and it bothered her greatly, because he was doing it in a safe space, protected by the officers and the barriers. later that day, senator hawley fled after those protesters he
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hoped to rile up stormed the capitol. see for yourself. >> it's also worth taking a moment to hear how the audience in the room reacted to this moment when it played out in realtime. take a listen. [laughs] >> that is the reaction that senator hawley deserves, let's be clear here, this is no laughing matter. there was a real price to be paid for senator hawley's flirtation with the mob. as of friday morning, he is still capitalizing off of that moment, despite the fact that he would later flee for his life, leaving capitol police to face the mob. a true profiling -- encourage that one.
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