reports. we begin this hour with some new developments on the january 6th investigation. growing pressure on the department of justice to launch a criminal investigation into donald trump. >> i sure as hell hope they have a criminal investigation at this point, into donald trump. merrick garland has already told us that he is listening, and if he is watching today i, say he doesn't have to wait on us, because he has plenty to -- >> i certainly hope the moving forward there is evidence of crimes that goes all the way up to donald trump. >> in just a few minutes we are going to have the latest on why there will be more hearings, and which secret service officers the house select committee has already heard from. also new today, the white house is reacting to president biden's low approval numbers, despite passing bipartisan infrastructure legislation and gun safety reforms. >> i think voters are always kind of, show me, don't tell me. what they want to see, is are we going to produce on this

agenda, are we going to have success, are we going to be able to match bringing down the price of gasoline, when you down the price of other things continuing to create jobs. that is the challenge. that is what we have to deliver. on >> 90 million americans from the plains to the northeast remain under heat alerts at this hour. former vice al gore is once again sounding the alarm on climate change. comparing climate deniers to delay law enforcement reaction to the uvalde school massacre. >> confronted with this global emergency, what we are doing with our inaction and failing to walk through the door and stop the killing is not typical of what we are capable of as human beings. we do have the solutions. and i think these extreme events that are getting steadily worse and more severe are really beginning to change lives. >> well, back to capitol hill now in the january six committee which has completed the season finale of its hearings. they do say there is more to

come after the summer recess. allie raffa is joining us now from capitol hill. ali, welcome to you. why is the committee looking to recover before the hearings resume in september? >> it seems that after every one of these hearings we are left with so many more questions. after we hear all the testimony. and really one looming question that the committee still has after this there is a hearing, in the committee's words, of the latest but not the last hearing that they are going to vote on. it is really what happened with the secret service. we know from the never before seen audio and video showing the secret service agents trying to get former vice president pence to safety, we saw the testimony not from secret service agents themselves, but from someone familiar with the situation, about that 45 million -- minute wait. after trump's speech, before he went to the white house. committee members are interested in learning from secret service agents themselves who were there with trump on january six about what was going on in that car, what

was going on inside the capitol. and so we know that none of them have come under oath and testified after some of them have even disputed kathy hutchinson's testimony after she talked about certain situations. they are also interested in those text messages. remember that the subpoenaed those text messages released january 6th, they got a bunch of documents and data. but only one of those documents had preplanned data sweet. there is a criminal probe, whether that was malicious. during the monthlong break in hearings, the committee is really going to do deeper and try to get on the record under oath testimony from those agents, with former president trump on january 6th. listen here. >> we have already heard testimony from them. i expect that we will again. mr. ornado has retained private criminal defense counsel. and we have seen that also with

respect to one other secret service agent. i think that is significant. i say this is somebody who has huge respect for the secret service. i was protected by them for eight years. but the extent to which there are no text messages from the relevant period of time, the extent to which we have not had the kind of cooperation that we really need to have. those are all things that the committee is going to be looking at in more detail in the coming weeks. >> committee member adam schiff also commenting on this this morning. saying that the reason in liz cheney's words that the fact that they got private counsel is significant is because he says he has a concern that quote, they probably have a concern about the potential criminal liability. something the committee is definitely adamant and getting in this month long recess. >> they sure are. we'll be looking at. that thank you all are often. let us turn to some breaking news, moments ago we got a new update from how president biden's position as he is now in his third of isolation after

testing positive for covid-19. in a new, letter the president's physician says that symptoms continue to improve significantly and are his predominant symptom now is sore throat, it goes on to say that his coffin body aches have diminished considerably. the letter also says that the president is responding to tear therapy as expected. joining me now is john kirby, coordinator for strategic communication at the national security council. so good to have you on the show here, welcome. let me ask, you because he wouldn't call whelan the president wasn't isolation. part of his regular routine. what is your sense of how the president is handling the virus. do you guys get daily updates or daily interactions with the president, typically? >> he has been very engaged. you rightly noted that he had his normal meeting with the national security team going over the intelligence operations around the world. so from a national security perspective, alex, i can tell you we have not missed a beat. the president's decision-making

has been right in step with what it would have been had he not been home isolating. he has been kept informed of things going around the world, when he has had more than ample opportunity to share with us on the national security council team. you think he will various issues going forward. >> yet john, do you canadian how much longer will continue in isolation? political suggests five days, is that would you believe the president will do? is there any indication he would have to stay longer? >> i won't talk through his medical treatment. doctor jean you saw on friday said that five days is the protocol. he is going to follow the protocol. and i'm sure that his doctors will make a decision in concert with him at the appropriate time. five days is the protocol. and again we have been very careful about healing to protocol as we do this. >> let's move on to gas prices. as you know, the national average for gas prices is 4:30,

seven notably down from a month ago. the average then was nine 93. how much of the reduction in prices due to efforts by the administration? one question, to the recent trip to saudi arabia have any effect on gas? or will that be delayed for the opec meeting in august. could something happen till then? >> a couple of things there. they were very good discussions in saudi arabia, bilaterally with the saudis, but also in cooperation with the -- council on the new security. you really present when those meetings were over say that he is optimistic that we could see some additional production here in the coming weeks. you are right that there is another opec meeting on the 3rd of august. we will see where that goes. but i think what you are seeing in terms of the price decrease, we are now in 60 days of a decline. you accurately couched exactly with that price is. it is all very positive. the president thinks that prices are still too high. but we believe that a lot of the actions that we have taken and opec is taking in july and august to increase supply, to stabilize the market, has given

to help bring those prices down. president is releasing a billion barrels a day from our strategic reserves, well because now increased by 50%, planned increases for july in august. that has. help with still to work with him finding that capacity to get those increases and that stability back down into the actual pump. >> is there a lever in particular, john that the biden administration has pulled to bring about this reduction? >> i think there have been multiple levers. the president has had very direct communication with oil and gas companies of course, in refining and talking about the refining capabilities. he has released those million barrels a day. he has increased the number of permits and leases that are available to oil and gas companies to drill on federal land. there are many thousands of them that he they have not taken advantage of. and of course they have been engaging internationally, as you said on this trip to saudi arabia, engaging with the

countries that are involved in oil production overseas to try to see if they can increase that supply. another thing they didn't g7 just a few weeks ago in germany was to argue for him to get international support for a price cap on russian oil. so that we can keep supply out there but not allow mr. putin to continue to reap immense profits off of the oil that he is now taking advantage of out there. >> you have to set up perfectly to continue the international vein, relative to putin. let's go to the war in ukraine. russian missiles as you know, it addresses this weekend just hours after russia and keeps on those deals allowing grain exports to resume from their. what does it tell you about russia's reliability to keep its word. and one of the prospects for a global food crisis that these experts don't get out? >> if these experts don't get out, if this green does not get out, food security issues around the world are going to continue to suffer. there is no question about that.

we all want to see that grain get to market. it is a perishable good, so time matters here. unfortunately what we saw yesterday his indicative of russian behavior in the past, where they commit to things but then don't follow through. ukrainians today says that they still consider this arrangement in effect. that is positive. we are gonna be watching this closely to see if russia continues to meet their commitments under this arrangement. but these strikes at the port of odessa actually came very close to some grain terminals. it is not clear exactly what the damage was. but it was clearly at the port of odessa and that is deeply concerning. >> for sure, especially for the shippers have to send those huge ships to remove. them they have a lot of security concerns. let me ask you about the u.s. having approved this week, $270 million in security for ukraine. the u.s. has now committed more than a billion dollars, john, since february. what capacity does the u.s.

have to keep sending military aid at this rate? one of the factors that determine what gets daunting when it gets sent? >> great questions, alex. we are working in lockstep with ukrainians, almost in realtime, to determine what their needs are. as the war in the donbas no evolves and changes. we have been providing them longer range capabilities. these artillery rocket systems which give ukrainians more standoff distance more time, to be able to strike russian targets more deeply behind the lines. we are talking to them every day about this. with the president said, we're gonna support them for as long as it takes. why was he working in lockstep with congress about that. congress has presented supplemental funding that we are still drawing down on, and we still offensive electable to us for the remainder of this year. the key is to constantly talk to the ukrainians in realtime about their needs so that we can help them as the conflict evolves. >> earlier this month you know the white house said that it

believed russia was returning to iran to provide drones to use in this war in ukraine. is there an update on whether this exchange has happen or as close to happening, and how would that impact the conflict? >> we don't have any indication right now that this purchase of iranian firms has occurred. but it is certainly concerning that russia would be reaching out to a nation like iran and i think it tells you a couple of things alex. number one it tells you how further isolated putin's from the rest of the international community, he has to turn to iran for help. iran does have some domestic production capability with drones. we have seen it, sadly to effect in iraq and syria when they used drones to strike even u.s. facilities in u.s. troop positions in both countries. but it also tells you the degree to which mr. putin is suffering in his own defense industrial place. we've been saying this for weeks. that the sanctions and the expert controls are having an effect on his ability to prosecute this war. particularly when it comes to micro electronics. so now he is turning to another

country for advanced systems like drones. the last thing it, tells you and i think this is the most worrisome of all. the last thing is that he has no intention of ending this war right now, certainly no intention of sitting down a good face with president zelenskyy and finding a way, peacefully, to end this conflict. in fact it is quite the contrary. he's looking for more advanced systems more ways to kill more ukrainians moore's district more you can utilities facilities in towns and. cities and that is, why your last question we are going to continue to support ukraine and our security needs for as long as we can. >> tragic and heartbreaking to hear all of that. but your -- is correct. let me ask you about nancy pelosi's potential trip to taiwan. the financial times say that they have issued stark warnings about the upcoming trip, six people familiar with the chinese warning said told the financial times there were significantly stronger warnings in the threats beijing has made in the past when they were unhappy with u.s. actions a policy on taiwan. what can you tell us about these threats?

first of, all can you confirm them, drawn? and what is the biden administration's position on any potential trip like this? are the benefits of visiting worth the risk? >> i tell, you i would rather not talk about intelligence issues here, alex. but i would just say that the speaker makes her own decisions about travel. and the national security establishment, as we always do, provides the speaker and her staff with information, context that they used to determine how they are going to travel, when they are going to travel, and where they are going to travel. we have been doing. that we've been very forthcoming, as we always are, about what the context is on the information surrounding her desire to travel. but this is a decision that she and her staff have to make. and we are going to respect that. >> can i just ask you, this though? do you sense that the administration would prefer that she not to go. i understand you have made it clear that it is her decision. but would they rather not have to go? clear that iagain, this is her e provide some facts and context.

i think, you know, whenever she travels, you have to factor and not only the security footprint that has to go along with her, but also the geopolitical context. so, obviously, we're providing that kind of context to her. she'll make her own decision. >> okay, john kirby, it's awfully good debate shouting on a sunday. i know it's so hot outside, thank you for wearing a suit. you can wear a polo shirt next time if it's summer, honestly. >> we'll do. >> thank you, john. >> thank you. >> today will be the hottest day, speaking of that, a very scorching weekend for tens of millions of americans. cities in 20 different states are gonna likely set new record highs today while much of the central and southern u.s. face more triple digit temperatures in the days ahead. look at all these live pictures. lots of beaches, that's kind of where you want to be. at this hour, dozens of cities are under heat warnings and advisories as conditions become dangerous and the national weather service says heat deaths have, listen to this, outpaced hurricane deaths by more than 15 to 1 in the last

decade. that's a stunning stat. let's bring in meteorologist, michelle grossman. big question to you, when will this heat streak and? >> hi there, alex. well, organist a little relief in the northeast. as you said, this is the peak day for the heat in the northeast. it's gonna go on in the central and southern plains, then organ a turn of the pacific northwest where we're looking at the next heat wave there. it's so dry, it's so hot, we have that wildfire risk in the northwest, that's gonna be the next big major weather story. let's take a look right now, we're looking at 90 million americans across the country, whether they're under heat advisory, heat watch, heat warning, excessive heat warning, that includes philadelphia, also parts of oklahoma, we have a heat watch in eugene and also membered. that will be the big weather story next week. let's take a look at temperatures, it's another dangerous day with sweltering heat. we're looking at temperatures climbing into the 90s, climbing into the triple digits. dallas today, 101. you're gonna feel like 103. the heat index is so important when you take these temperatures, with the humidity, that sort of feels like to your body.

that's what stresses your body as we go throughout the afternoon hours. nashville, feeling 105. d.c., into that one of six this afternoon. raleigh, 105 will be your heat index. look what happens tomorrow, we have a cold front that's gonna come through. that's nowhere, they were watching the risk for strong storms today. also, tomorrow, we'll look at that in a few minutes. it's also gonna bring down temperatures in columbus, feeling so good tomorrow in the low 80s. 81, that's gonna be our high temperature and st. louis. notice the central and southern plains, we're stealing high. little rock, 100 -- feeling 106. still warm in philadelphia, 94, before the cold front comes through, it's gonna bring heavy downpours, the chance of really strong winds, also some hail is a possibility there. as we go through early next, week we're looking at relief, alex, in the northeast, parts of the mid-atlantic, it's gonna be the pacific northwest and keeping our eye on next week. >> okay, all i know, i am keeping an eye on local news every day and what's happening in our backyard. it has been brutal. thank you, michelle, i appreciate that. so, they're both alarming and a curiosity, coming up next, behind the scenes inside of

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january 6th hearings. the committee pulling back the curtain on trump's mindset the day after the capitol riot. trump stuff wanted him to address the nation and condemn the attack on january 7th, the attack of course, january 6th. seen in previously unreleased video, trump could not let go of the big lie. >> this election is now over. congress has certified the results, i don't want to say the election is over, i just want to say congress has certify the results, without saying the election is over,

okay? >> [inaudible]. >> yeah, let me sir. don't go to the paragraph before. >> i don't want to say the election is over. well, joining me now is peter baker, msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent for the new york times. peter, welcome, my friend. we'll remind viewers that your book is coming up september, i wish it would've been mind to, instead you wrote it with your wife, susan. it's gonna be so good. you have a lot of behind the scenes insight. when you look at those outtakes, for example, i mean, it's still kind of feels unreal in a way or at minimum, unpresidential and very trumpian. what is your take away from that day after speech? >> well, it just shows he was obviously not bothered by the january 6th attack on the capitol the way everyone else in washington was. in other words, he's not really showing any remorse. he's not showing any sense of

being upset. you know, he is still focused entirely on claiming the election was stolen, on claiming that he was actually reelected the president and finding some way, if he could, in these last 13 days in office that he had, it's hanging on to office. i think oh seen a president who is singlemindedly focused on his own political power and not on almost any other factor going on in the country at that point. >> something we heard in that outtake, ivanka trump, making suggestions there. in the explosive piece in axios this week, it suggests that ivanka and jarred are out of trump's political operation. is that for self preservation? or is that too late, perhaps? are they inextricably tied to donald trump? >> well, of course, their family to donald trump, they're always gonna be family. you know, jared kushner always tell people who complained to him about his father in law, he says, look, that's the grandfather of my children, he will always be the grandfather of my children. you can't completely break away,

in their view, from him. they're reporting, in the book, you'll see how basically as soon as the election was over, they knew it was over, they knew it wasn't stolen, they were preparing to move on to a new life. two days after the election, before it was even called, jared told ivanka, hey, let's move to miami. they began searching for real estate down there. they began the move for their children to find new schools down there. even as the president insisted he was gonna stay in office by proving that the election was stolen, jarred and ivanka knew it wasn't. while they attended meetings, you know, encouraged some of trump's followers, they had very little to deal with the whole, you know, staying in office thing. they knew it wasn't true. they also didn't stop, it they didn't do anything to really stand up to president trump and tell him that this was wrong, this is a lie, this wasn't true, and he needed to give up and concede. they basically seated the field to people like giuliani and sidney powell who filled the presidency with all kinds of fantastical, farfetched, nonsensical stories but election hearing fraud that

drove his postelection, you know, campaign to discredit the election that led to january 6th. >> you know, donald trump has made several appearances this weekend. he has teased another potential run for office. take a listen to some of this. >> iran twice, i won twice. i did much better the second time of than i did the first. now, we may have to do it again. we may have to do it again. >> you know, i don't find it so stunning that he says we won twice, but i find stunning is a number of people who applaud and cheer him on saying, we won twice, when, he did not. it's pretty simple. we have the revelations hurting his support to some degree. do you think he announces that he's running, thinking he could stave off prosecution, peter? >> well, that's certainly the top in trump world, yeah, you know, talking to people around

him, they speculator think he's gonna announce sometime in the next 6 to 8 weeks, perhaps, perhaps earlier this fall, he wouldn't wait until the midterms, a lot of his political advisers would like to do, as so tonight in the middle of that campaign if he does announce before than, a lot of republicans are nervous, it means that he becomes the issue on the ballot when they have a pretty good shot of taking the house representatives, thanks to president biden's own political, you know, troubles. he is at odds of course with many republicans on that, he'll do it he wants to do. it's not surprising i suppose that a lot of republicans feel like he did when. if you look at the polls, he's convinced a majority of republican voters in these polls that the election was somehow illegitimate, that he in fact did win that election. they bought into whatever one is calling the big lie. it's a remarkable thing. there is no proof of that whatsoever. people ought to know better, but they don't. >> you know, there's something in this new report which talks about the radical plan for

trump's second term. but it's going to reshape the federal government by purging thousands of civil servants and filling career post with loyalist to trump and his america first ideology. this report includes, peter, plans to strip layers of the justice department, that includes the fbi. so, is this something that you've also heard about? it's so sweeping this proposal. why would anyone admit that this was the plan if he won reelection? >> yeah, i think this is a very important report by jonathan swan, we saw some of us at the end of trump's term, we saw him increasingly trying to purge people in the administration were not seen as loyal, johnny mcentee, his right hand on that was going through various agencies, asking people, political appointees, do you support the president on this or that? you have people being asked their position on the embassy in jerusalem, things have nothing to their portfolio. it was all political loyalty test. with john swan's reporting is that we go beyond that. it would be a full on attack

and what they consider to be, what former president trump considers to be this deep state. that would be -- the federal government as it's existed since the late 1800s when they professionalize their career in public service, they created a government that wasn't meant to be a political tool of the president, but to be an instrument of governing for any president who comes in, regardless of political party, and not politically coterie. he wants to make a political task for loyalty to him. i think that tells you a lot about how things would be different in the second term than they were in the first term. >> yeah, peter baker, thank you for the chat. hope to see you again next weekend. thank you. coming up next, a new development in the disturbing attack on a campaigning lawmaker and why that attacker has been arrested again. and economists say the housing market has cooled off, what does that mean for the economy and your home? >> i never thought in 1 million years i'd be offering over 1 million dollars on the house, let alone that not even being

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transmission. and, the red-hot real estate market in the u.s. is cooling down. combination of higher mortgage rates, inflation, -- prices in-limited inventory is all coming together forcing many house hunters to call it quits. mortgage rates have nearly doubled over the last two years, resulting in mortgage applications plunging to a 20-year low. nbc's scott comb joining me from california. home to five of the top ten cooling real estate markets. break down what is going on for us. >> alex, what is going on is, as we know, the federal reserve raising interest rates try to tamp down inflation. they're likely to raise them again this week. the first place that you see the effect of out of the housing market. and the first market where you see that are those that he loved the fastest. so as you said, four of the five fastest cooling housing markets are here in northern california. the fifth one is seattle. and that is where we found

casey mcnamara and her husband. he got a new job in phoenix. so in june, they put their house up for sale. they figured it would go the way things happen going up, they're selling within a few days. and triggering a bidding war. >> our expectation, a realtors expectation, was that it was going to go in a week. we even point in the mls notes that we had set a deadline to review all of those a week after it had listed. and that we came and went with no offers. so i was very stressful. and we just had to completely readjust our expectations. >> and then some. it took 40 days for the house to sell. they had to reduce the price twice. it ultimately served for 8% less than their asking price. now they're looking for a house in phoenix. mortgage rates are so much higher, that they cannot afford the property that they thought that they could.

this is what is going on throughout the housing market. we are still seeing prices very high. a new home in the room in the immediate, $50,000. and the housing market as a result is pondering. sales down 21% since the first of the year. mortgage applications, lowest in more than 20 years. now, experts are not saying as far as we can tell that they will be any sort of a housing market crash as of 2008. why? because first of all we do not have any risky mortgages in the mix right now. but also places like this, housing developments, there are not enough of them. housing developments are still low, but as a result of that we've to keep the housing market going. but we are going to see people like the mcnamara is calling them. in >> telling, you a mixed bag of news, that is for sure. thank you. taking me for thursday's january six hearing, 50% think donald trump should be charged with a crime. based on the committee

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and they've done in a way that is really compelling. they have done in a way that i think is very credible. using republican people, members of the inner circle of trump, and patriots like mark milley, -- of the joint chief of staff, capitol police officer and others. it is very difficult to frame this is just a democratic party hoax. some of the things they've looking for i think they've not quite connected yet is the connection between what trump potentially agreeing with members of the mob to attack the capital. if that link can be proved, and they've lost of little links, little circumstantial evidence around it. but a direct link, that donald trump agreed with others, for a delivered attack on the capitol, could be sufficient evidence for a crime called seditious conspiracy. it is a 20-year felony, and it requires the use of force to oppose the authorities united states government. and it is the most serious crime a person can be charged with in peacetime. >> i have looked at things that you have pointed out.

seditious conspiracy being, one main slug, or obstruction of an official proceeding. those are all things you have said are possible. what do you think is the, not the easiest, the clearest one to prove at this point? >> i think you can prove a very clean case right now for conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. it simply requires that there is some official proceeding going on here. many, of course, have already ruled that the joint session of congress is an official proceeding for the purpose of that statute. and then somebody taking some action to interfere with that for a wrongful purpose. i think based on what we heard the other night on thursday, so much of that evidence about what donald trump chose to do during those three hours that the capitol was under attack makes at least probable cause that crime was committed. the justice department, improving a case, needs to shore up and needs to show that they could find any possible defenses and blocking that down, which is why they are probably not ready to charge it yet. but i think the evidence is

there. another one that could get there is a larger steam which would be conspiracy to defraud the united states. that is simply using the lie that the election was stolen to try to affect the peaceful transfer of presidential power. and that crime would encompass the efforts in georgia to pressure brad raffensperger in arizona, the fake slates of electors, all of that will be part of that steam. so the -- is the obstruction of official proceedings. the broader scheme would be conspiracy to defraud the united states. if that law can be proved, can seditious conspiracy something also be on the radar. >> wow. one involving the whole united states, that is brutal to face. sounds simply enormous. if it would be -- it would be unprecedented if the doj were to charge the former president, and a potential presidential candidate with a crime. congressman adam kinzinger today saying why he thinks such an investigation is important. let's take a look at that. thinkswe never want to get in te

position as a country, when you see a fail democracies where every last administration has prosecuted. there is a massive difference between i'm gonna prosecute the last administration for political vengeance and not prosecuting administration that literally attempted a failed coup. that is a precedent i am way more concerned about, if there is evidence that this happened from a judicial perspective, if there is an ability to move for on prosecuting, and you don't, you have basically set the floor for future behavior of any president. i don't think that democracy can survive that. >> is that how merrick garland would see it? he has emphasized that known as above the law. he did that this week. how much will or should the attorney general consider potential charges against trump invite his political? should that even matter? or is no one being above the law exactly that, even a president? >> so, when the justice department filed charges, the

principles of federal prosecution allows them to answer whether there is sufficient evidence to sustain a conviction. that's question one. once you get there, there's still a question to be asked, would it have a substantial interest to bring this case. the three have to think about what's in the best interest of the country. on the downside, this idea that adam kinzinger's mentioned, that you set this bad precedent, that would perhaps see a future where all prior presidents are charged by their successors or civil unrest, maybe even civil war. you also have to consider the opposite side of the question. if we declined to file charges here, then what message does that send? the important part of criminal prosecution is deterrence. you want to deter this person and others from engaging in this conduct again by sending an important message that society opposes this behavior, that this is not tolerable, and we will not tolerate it in this country. so, i think as adam kinzinger said, when he way those two possibilities, the determine

value here is so much greater than any concern about civil unrest or, you know, the president of charging a former president. his conduct is unprecedented, it deserves punishment. >> yeah, well said, all right, barbara, thank you so much for that. coming up next, bad news for donald trump and it's definitely not fake. two major conservative-leaning publications condemn him for january 6th. that's not all, there's also connection to trump's favorite news channel, and he is not going to like it. channel, and he going to like it (brad) over is no

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jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day and forgot where she was. you can always spot a first time gain flings user. two media giants are dumping donald trump and his 2024 reelection bid. the wall street journal and new york post, both published a toil saying trump does not deserve reelection. here to talk about it is my political strategy panel, don calloway, ceo of ponce treat strategies, susan, republican strategist, an msnbc political

analyst, and david jolly, former republican congressman and contributor. my sunday family, were reunited. good to see you guys. don, first to you, both of these are trump friendly publications. how big a deal is it how he coud

be in the white house. it's certainly not because of lack of character, he's always had lack of character. >> that goes back to what donald, saying welcome 2015. this is something people knew in 2015. let's shift to the midterms, we're talking about money with you, don. when it comes to grassroots campaign donations, axios reports that democrats of the ten most competitive races are out raising republicans for more than $75 million. they're reporting -- has raised twice as much as herschel walker, val demings, -- twice as much as, i think in some cases, it's been up to

five times as much as doctor oz. what's the phenomenon that is driving that? >> hey, dni baby, it's more than just a catchphrase. it's more than something to make people feel good. democrats nation wide are running interesting diverse candidates, not that the original candidates have not been interesting. we've cast a broader night. you're seeing compelling candidates like -- in north carolina, he mandela burns and wisconsin. even a john fetterman, who is a straight white male, but he is a deeply non traditional candidate for what we have seen of people who have occupied governors offices and the united states senate offices over the last hundred years in this country. when you bring the people in, it brings in a new set of donors, even if it's just grandma or mama who gives $5 or $10. they are involving a new set of universal people in a way we have not seen since the obama moment of 2007 2008.

the democrats are widening up to that and recognizing that diverse communities can not only vote but they can donate and become politically engaged longer for election day. >> let me ask you, mr. floridian david, could demi's win the seat from rubio? do you think it's gonna narrow as we approach november or will the divide get worse? >> look, i think marco rubio remains the favorite, we still have, wet? 90 or hundred and 20 days out. val demings will have the resources to deliver the message to floridians. i think that's the most important thing about this money story. it does reflect democratic intensity, money buys messaging, the democrats, where we sit right now, they are close on messaging, there's still a few points behind. that would be true in the damning rubio race. what is the democrats core message in november? they figure that out, they could be extremely competitive.

>> in terms of messaging, one of the biggest issues dividing demings and rubio's access to abortion, could this race come down to a single issue? >> it can, especially if val demings is able to motivate women to the polls, younger people especially who have only known the right to control their own body, now it's taken away. and also, people of color. let's not forget how great she was during the impeachment, i mean, val demings is an all-star. i think she will close a very strong and surprised a lot of people. which is why she in particular wasn't deemed a competitive race, but she brings something to the table where the dollars have truly followed, unlike competitive seats that just -- west constant, pennsylvania, or ohio. >> more to come on the races and with the three of you. thank you guys so much, have a good sunday. meantime, new evidence, more

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